5 things you didn’t know about Islam and Europe

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5 things you didn’t know about Islam and Europe

Tharik Hussain also known as ‘The Wandering Musulman’ has uncovered 5 Islamic Secrets of Europe. As he embarked on a unique trail of discovery to uncover the hidden Islamic secrets of Europe, he uncovered amazing and bizarre clues about the cultural interchange between Europe and Muslims. It has convinced him that his own identity as a modern European Muslim has as much to do with Europe’s history as it does with any other.

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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:10 pm

Europe is the hotbed for Islamists. A recruiting ground for ISIS. Jis thali me khaya, usi mein chhed.

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:59 am

AgnosticIndian wrote:Europe is the hotbed for Islamists. A recruiting ground for ISIS. Jis thali me khaya, usi mein chhed.
And India is hotbed for Hindu Extremists where people are not free to eat BEEF. (forget COWS) and people are hanged on wrong assumptions too bad Western Media does not cover those stories.

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:52 am

SBM wrote:
AgnosticIndian wrote:Europe is the hotbed for Islamists. A recruiting ground for ISIS. Jis thali me khaya, usi mein chhed.
And India is hotbed for Hindu Extremists where people are not free to eat BEEF. (forget COWS) and people are hanged on wrong assumptions too bad Western Media does not cover those stories.
that is a wrong interpretation made by western media and carried forward by so called left leaning ideologist.
and all nris believe it.
actually who do not reside in india have no knowledge how it is and only believe about the perception.
and spreading it doesnt do any gud to india.
if ur living outside, then first of all why bother what is going on in inda--let us live peacefully without u worrying about us.
the foreigners make life especially more difficult than the so called hotbed of hindu extremist and anyway we are still living and eating without any problems unlike minorities of official 56 countries whose official religion is peace.
it is better u worry about ur problems and worry what would happen if trump becomes president and suppose he kicks out all of u, u will have no place to go except india

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Mar 24, 2016 5:22 pm

qutub_mamajiwala wrote:
SBM wrote: And India is hotbed for Hindu Extremists where people are not free to eat BEEF. (forget COWS) and people are hanged on wrong assumptions too bad Western Media does not cover those stories.
that is a wrong interpretation made by western media and carried forward by so called left leaning ideologist.
and all nris believe it.
So you mean that the killing of Akhlaque and hanging of 2 other muslims on trees in U.P and other such stories appearing in media and your bosses in Nagpur trying hard to defend their barbaric actions are all false ??? It seems that according to you ONLY your mouthpiece 'Organiser' and 'Panchjanya' are the gospel truth and every other news report is false inspite of clear cut evidences ??

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:23 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:
that is a wrong interpretation made by western media and carried forward by so called left leaning ideologist.
and all nris believe it.
So you mean that the killing of Akhlaque and hanging of 2 other muslims on trees in U.P and other such stories appearing in media and your bosses in Nagpur trying hard to defend their barbaric actions are all false ??? It seems that according to you ONLY your mouthpiece 'Organiser' and 'Panchjanya' are the gospel truth and every other news report is false inspite of clear cut evidences ??
yes it has to be condemend and ur doing gud job about it
but reporting selectively only , and branding whole country as intolerant and hotbed of extremist. due to some incident is similar to communist ideology about creating claseless society when they themselves are propagating violence eg west bengal. but u cannot see that due to your communal mindset.
if it would have been hotbed of extremist, you would not have been able to write this in the first place like.
just steer ur vision to kerala and write about how so called ur peace loving people are treating other people. especially in kannur.
didnt find one post suggesting kannur and a few place of west bengal and kashmir as hot bed of peaceloving extremist.
give me just one example of a place or country where ur peace loving people are living peacefully with other people.
like treating everybody who opposes , as fascist and mouthpiece of rss.
here nobody is mouthpiece of rss or fascist.
besides akhlaque and other ppl there are equal or even more number of incidents happening otherwise.

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:29 am

give me just one example of a place or country where ur peace loving people are living peacefully with other people.
Indonesia-Malaysia-Dubai to name few...you RSS lover
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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:02 am

SBM wrote:
give me just one example of a place or country where ur peace loving people are living peacefully with other people.
Indonesia-Malaysia-Dubai to name few...you RSS lover
ur mistaken my bro
in all the above country , how are the minority treated?
first get ur facts right --do minority have same priviledges in indonesia and malaysia?
dubai may be exception but here also it is not democracy , it is the ruler who enforces and once the ruler changes with different ideology, then think .

anyway it is gud for u that u are never going to return to hotbed of hindu extremist as projected by some of ur left leaning university and here sympathiser of that. ur living in very liberal society, so enjoy it. why do u want to interfere in our lives and make it more difficult by half ignorant statements.

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:02 am

RSS lover - good one SBM. This guy is a muslim hater in disguise. The half chaddi should take his own advice and stop talking about countries he doesnt live in. It is all wrong interpretation by western media. Hey, it has to be wrong right? According to the western media article he posted, ibn taimiyah interpretation by the blind shaikh is the correct interpretation.

The problem with us is half baked muslims who havent understood the religion.

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:41 am

So according to QM-RSS sympathizer,
it is very peaceful in Myanmar where very PEACEFUL Buddhist Monks are killing Muslims and the Noble Peace Sung was angered that she was interviewed by Mishal Hussain of BBC

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:42 pm

SBM wrote:So according to QM-RSS sympathizer,
it is very peaceful in Myanmar where very PEACEFUL Buddhist Monks are killing Muslims and the Noble Peace Sung was angered that she was interviewed by Mishal Hussain of BBC

Ending the Horror of Myanmar’s Abuse of Muslims

The government of Myanmar’s departing president, Thein Sein, oversaw the systematic persecution of the country’s Rohingya Muslim minority — a human rights debacle that one study has described as genocide. Mr. Thein Sein also signed four bills into law last year regulating interfaith marriage, birth spacing and religious conversion that clearly targeted Myanmar’s Muslim minority.

By the hundreds of thousands, Muslims in Myanmar have been stripped of their citizenship, sent to concentration camps where they are deprived of basic medical care, jobs and even food, and held prisoners in villages they are not allowed to leave. Thousands more have fled the camps by risking their lives at the hands of criminal syndicates that traffic them to Malaysia and Bangladesh or force them into servitude on fishing boats.


The question now is what Daw Aung San Suu Kyi will do to ease their plight. Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi, the revered winner of the Nobel Peace Prize whose National League for Democracy party won a majority of seats in Parliament in November, was herself persecuted and held under house arrest. But during the campaign she remained stubbornly silent on the fate of the Rohingya, clearly a political calculation in a country where anti-Muslim sentiment had been whipped to a fever pitch.

Now that her party has won, as Deputy Secretary of State Antony Blinken pointed out at a meeting with leaders in Myanmar on Jan. 18, there is an urgent need to make sure the new government respects the human rights of all people when it takes power in March. Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi is already taking action to end festering conflicts between Myanmar’s military and armed ethnic groups, and promises to strengthen fragile democratic institutions and bring economic opportunity to Myanmar’s people.

But, as Nicholas Kristof recently pointed out in a column in The Times, these are political challenges, while what has been done to the Rohingya is “a crime against humanity.”

As soon as the political transition is complete, Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi and her party must move swiftly to redress discrimination against Myanmar’s Muslims and to end the Rohingya’s terrible plight. This means overturning Mr. Thein Sein’s egregiously discriminatory laws targeting Muslims, restoring citizenship to the Rohingya and other Muslims, allowing the Rohingya to leave the squalid camps to return to their homes and businesses and to travel, and outlawing hate crimes and hate speech toward religious minorities.

Some of the American economic sanctions originally aimed at forcing the military regime to end abuses, loosen its grip and move toward democracy remain in place, prohibiting American companies from doing business with corporations and individuals tied to the generals. They should remain in effect until the new government makes tangible progress on all human rights fronts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/25/opini ... .html?_r=0


Aung San Suu Kyi's party excludes Muslim candidates

There was a time when Aung San Suu Kyi was seen as Asia's Nelson Mandela. To her more ardent fans, she was more than that. An icon, almost a saint. So why is the Nobel Peace Prize winner's political party excluding Muslims from its list of candidates for November's general election?

Sources both within the NLD and outside told us that none of their 1,151 candidates standing in regional and national elections, is Muslim.

It's hard to prove a policy of discrimination, but one thing is clear - leading Muslims in both Yangon and Mandalay, who expected to be given constituencies to fight, were overlooked.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34182489

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:08 am

anajmi wrote:
The problem with us is half baked muslims who havent understood the religion.
exactly -- majority of those who claim to have understood so called peace loving ideology themselves practice hatred. and discriminate against everybody, who do not agree with their vision---what an irony

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:40 am

anajmi wrote:.

The problem with us is half baked muslims who havent understood the religion.
roughly there are 3 types on this forum or in discussion
first---who follow violent form of islam like isis and so
second --like u, who dont condone violence and may be against it, but more or less follow the same ideology
third --like us who u like to call rss - lovers---same as many tell u yazidi lover(though i dont beleive it)

who do u think havent understood the religion according to u?

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:32 am

anajmi wrote:

The problem with us is half baked muslims who havent understood the religion.
yes those who shroud women and then call it islamic dress and demean any other women who doesnt wear it

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:34 am

anajmi wrote:

The problem with us is half baked muslims who havent understood the religion.
yes one example we have seen today itself, what ur co-ideologist did today in lahore

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Unread post by anajmi » Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:08 am

The fact that I dont condone violence and they do implies that we do not follow the same ideology. But that fact will give you badhazmee cause you need the guy who is talking about quran and sunnah to be the same as the guy murdering innocents so you can avoid following the quran and the sunnah. Your love for the muslim haters is well established. Your motto is to blame the muslim first, doesnt matter if they are the victims or not. It is a shame that we have such "muslims" amongst us.

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:03 am

anajmi wrote:The fact that I dont condone violence and they do implies that we do not follow the same ideology. But that fact will give you badhazmee cause you need the guy who is talking about quran and sunnah to be the same as the guy murdering innocents so you can avoid following the quran and the sunnah. Your love for the muslim haters is well established. Your motto is to blame the muslim first, doesnt matter if they are the victims or not. It is a shame that we have such "muslims" amongst us.
playing the victim card is always gud as it shields from any misdeeds and live in a utopian world where every single thing they do is right.
they have been doing since many centuries and living in world of denial--suits them also as they cannot face the harsh realities.

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:15 pm

Yeah you should know, you fools have been playing the victim card for your idols for 14 centuries.

Its a good thing the half chaddi breed doesnt differentiate between idol worshipping muslims and true muslims otherwise half chaddi breeds disguised as muslims would remove their mask and join the real half chaddis in killing muslims.

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:11 am

bro anajmi
yes plz i dont understand what is true muslim--can u explain in simple terms.
dont bring dai and bohras in picture plz--i am asking generally.
is it just hatred towards everybody including half chaddi (btw now they r in full pants-though i give shit about them)
or is it going little further also as how to live life.

one more thing i would like to ask u, if u care to give honest answer without abusing
what should a true muslim do in infidel land--darul harb?
what does sunnah or quran say about it?

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:46 pm

A true muslim should follow the Quran and Sunnah. But we know that you do not agree with that. So why keep asking the same thing again and again? Quran and Sunnah prevents women to roam around in a bikini in front of all and sundry, but you dont agree with that either.

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:58 pm

As far as hatred of the half chaddi is concerned, the muslims didnt hate them. The half chaddis have always nurtured hatred towards the muslims. They used this hatred to win elections. This is the same thing that is happening in America today. The more vicious a politician is against muslims, the more popular he gets so he becomes more vicious against the muslims. Each one wants to top the other in how they will control the muslims. Why have muslims suddenly become so vital for politicians? Itnis because of people like you. Muslims are being blamed for everything. A muslim who muders is just as guilty as a muslim who is murdered. Why is it that "islamic" terror has killed more muslims than anyone else? Maybe it is just a plot against the muslims. All one needs is gullible fools who have a little hatred of Islam. Exploit that hatred and now every muslim is a terrorist. It doesnt matter. Islam is going to prevail in the end, muslim haters, at least those that pretend to be muslims should take note of this and fear the punishment of the hereafter.

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:09 pm

anajmi wrote:As far as hatred of the half chaddi is concerned, the muslims didnt hate them. The half chaddis have always nurtured hatred towards the muslims. They used this hatred to win elections. This is the same thing that is happening in America today. The more vicious a politician is against muslims, the more popular he gets so he becomes more vicious against the muslims. Each one wants to top the other in how they will control the muslims. Why have muslims suddenly become so vital for politicians? Itnis because of people like you. Muslims are being blamed for everything. A muslim who muders is just as guilty as a muslim who is murdered. Why is it that "islamic" terror has killed more muslims than anyone else? Maybe it is just a plot against the muslims. All one needs is gullible fools who have a little hatred of Islam. Exploit that hatred and now every muslim is a terrorist. It doesnt matter. Islam is going to prevail in the end, muslim haters, at least those that pretend to be muslims should take note of this and fear the punishment of the hereafter.
muslims didnt hate half chaddis--this is news to me. atleast here on forum it is well documented.
but forget that.
forget the hereafter--let atleast ppl live in heaven here, why r u making hell here itself on earth, when anyhow they are going to burn in hell.

u have still not given answer to my question apart from abusing?
does sunnah and quran teach it?
dont blame me or anybody else like saying u and everybody else are also abusing(btw i have not) coz u dont beleive we follow sunnah and quran, so we are absolved of it responsibility, but u cannot as u claim to follow.
what should muslim do in infidel land?--darul harb
should he abide by the law of land or try to change to hukumut to islamic one?

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Unread post by anajmi » Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:30 pm

muslims didnt hate half chaddis--this is news to me. atleast here on forum it is well documented.
That might be news to you but it is a fact. Before the rath yatra or before the plot to destroy the babri masjid, muslims didn't hate the half chaddis. The half chaddis used the muslims to come to power by exploiting people's emotions. Only a half chaddi supporter will not see this obvious plot by the half chaddis to come to power. They had been planning this since independence and the muslims were chosen as their patsies.
why r u making hell here itself on earth, when anyhow they are going to burn in hell.
Read above.

I am glad you have finally accepted the truth about yourself that you do not follow the Quran and the Sunnah. The law of the land is to be followed only as long as the law does not harm a muslim for being a muslim. Even the American constitution allows the picking up of arms against the government if the government is found to be lacking in providing safety and security for its citizens.

Ask the half chaddis to follow the law of the land before asking the muslims because the chaos was created by them.

I live in America and up until now, I have been freely allowed to follow my religion and I personally have not been persecuted for being a muslim. We as muslims in America have it pretty good at least till Donald Duck becomes President. Muslims in half chaddi land are being persecuted simply for being muslims. They have a right to defend themselves against this tyranny.

And yes Muslims need to change the land that they live in to be Islamic. However, people consider an Islamic State to be the same as ISIS and this is not by mistake but is done on purpose. Islamic State is not the same as ISIS and far far away from the State of Saudi. In fact, within its borders, America is more Islamic than most Islamic states on earth because it provides safety and security for its citizens and the smallest man can take on the biggest corporation in America, And we all have to pay taxes to keep it that way. Atleast until donald duck comes to power. Then God save this nation. Outside the borders it is a completely different story. America is no better than Saudi Arabia.

In fact there is no true Islamic State in the world right now. There may be states with muslims in majority but no government runs itself as per the Sharia. They are just a bunch of corrupt politicians who are just wearing the jilbab or the suit instead of the half chaddi, but they are all the same.

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:38 am

who said muslims are being persecuted in india only for being a muslim.
that may be perception created in other countries .
if ur saying about riots, then riots are happening since many centuries.
the fact is muslims are able to live peacefully in india than many so called muslims countries.

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:05 pm

who said muslims are being persecuted in india only for being a muslim.
that may be perception created in other countries .
Ask all those Bollywood Muslim actors who were denied to purchase flats in many societies in Mumbai because they are Muslim even though they are Muslims in Name only,
Why a Muslim was hanged because Half Chaddi crowd thought he had beef in house.

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Unread post by abde53 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:37 pm

Anajmi and SBM bhai
Qutubi bhai Mamajiwala is some one who is like shanawaz or Naqvi who see no wrong with BJP and always find wrongs with muslims.
he may be a member of RSS who is here to talk against muslims and still may have some Bhang left in his system which he consumed during the Holi :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Unread post by humanbeing » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:29 am

qutub_mamajiwala wrote:who said muslims are being persecuted in india only for being a muslim.
that may be perception created in other countries .
if ur saying about riots, then riots are happening since many centuries.
the fact is muslims are able to live peacefully in india than many so called muslims countries.
This is a tricky opinion, media exxagerates and thrives on communal polarization to sell news. however this is a vicious cycle. reality and TV follows each other. There are many cases rare and routine that is sidelining and opressing muslim and other minorities in India. Intolerance is increasing. somehow I feel, muslims of India are taking practical and better efforts to integrate into society. some muslims are expressing patriotism while some are pleasing majorities to fit into Indian government's good books.

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:07 am

yes HB
media exaggerates and thrives on divisiveness, and sadly many specially nris belieive it.
they have no idea how it is to live in india.
how many bolly wood actors denied flat?
one in hundred or thousand?
they will exaggerate one thing and forget the rest that many muslim actors are living comfortably and even achieved stardom due to it only.
bro sbm -- if muslim actors are denied flat , do u know muslim society also deny flat to hindus. so will u call that persecution of hindus.
do u know in mumbai--a hindu maharastrian was denied flat in jain society coz he was meat eating?
will u call that persecution of maharashtrians?
but u people will only highlight selective cases. but when it comes to muslims u say dont bring islam into it, it is political thing, same as if terrorist happen to be muslim--it is accidental why blame muslims. but if it other way round--then it is muslim persection--if this is not hypocrisy then change the dictionary to suit u.
yes muslims are trying to integrate into mainstream, but with these communal and biased mindset people makes it difficult for them harping only on negative side

if u want to see muslim persecution--it is in uighar province in china, where they are not allowed to fast, wear burqa, keep beard and so on.
but i dont see any post on that.
atleast here they are free to follow their religion and live . for the betterment of muslim itself they need to come out of thier prejudice mindset or else it will get still worse for them.
it is upon muslim society now to decide what they actually want

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:15 am

bro abde
forget shahanawaz and others.
who said bjp does no wrong.
to do wrong, they should be in power--and they are only for 2 yrs. now
so congress has done more wrong then them simply coz they were more years in power.
and btw do u know many bohris in waghad area are bjp post holders?
so go to ground zero and see it practically instead of living in ivory tower and posting which has no relevance

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:27 am

real intolearance happens in us when trump declares to ban muslims.
when people attack even sikhs assuming them to muslims.
when people get phobia about muslims and are deplaned from aircraft coz they are muslims.
when people get attacked now and then only coz they are percieved to be terrorists.
is this happening here?
not getting flat in society has more to do with eating habits then religion
here many people are vegeterain so if u do not respect them, dont expect in return
taali dono haath se bajti hai.
just shouting intolerance coz some people get killed coz of beef will not help much to solve the situation.