Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans

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Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:23 pm

There is no doubt that the mother of terrorists is none other but the American administration. There is an interesting and an eye opening statistics of these people which I downloaded from an internet site:-


THE MOTHER OF ALL TERRORISTS..... TO BE TAKEN QUITE LITERALLY.


For those of you who want facts and figures and have the intellect to judge 'good' from 'evil' and the courage to know and say out the truth....for the rest should move to some other Article NOW!

Ever since the United States Army massacred 300 Lakotas in 1890, American forces have intervened elsewhere around the globe 100 times. Indeed the United States has sent troops abroad or militarily struck other countries' territory 216 times since independence from Britain. Since 1945 the United States has intervened in more than 20 countries throughout the world.

Since World War II, the United States actually dropped bombs on 23 countries. These include:
China 1945-46,Korea 1950-53, China 1950-53, Guatemala 1954,Indonesia 1958, Cuba 1959-60, Guatemala 1960, Congo1964, Peru 1965, Laos 1964-73, Vietnam 1961-73,Cambodia 1969-70, Guatemala 1967-69, Grenada 1983,Lebanon 1984, Libya 1986, El Salvador 1980s, Nicaragua1980s, Panama 1989, Iraq 1991-1999, Sudan 1998,Afghanistan 1998, and Yugoslavia 1999.

Post World War II, the United States has also assisted in over 20 different coups throughout the world, and the CIA was responsible for half a dozen assassinations of political heads of state.

The following is a comprehensive summary of the imperialist strategy of the United States over the span of the past century:

Argentina - 1890 - Troops sent to Buenos Aires to protect business interests.

Chile - 1891 - Marines sent to Chile and clashed with nationalist rebels.

Haiti - 1891 - American troops suppress a revolt by Black workers on United States-claimed Navassa Island.

Hawaii - 1893 - Navy sent to Hawaii to overthrow the independent kingdom - Hawaii annexed by the United States.

Nicaragua - 1894 - Troops occupied Bluefields, a city on the Caribbean Sea, for a month.

China - 1894-95 - Navy, Army, and Marines landed during the Sino-Japanese War.

Korea - 1894-96 - Troops kept in Seoul during the war.

Panama - 1895 - Army, Navy, and Marines landed in the port city of Corinto.

China - 1894-1900 - Troops occupied China during the Boxer Rebellion.

Philippines - 1898-1910 - Navy and Army troops landed after the Philippines fell during the Spanish-American War; 600,000 Filipinos were killed.

Cuba - 1898-1902 - Troops seized Cuba in the Spanish- American War; the United States still maintains troops at Guantanamo Bay today.

Puerto Rico - 1898 - present - Troops seized Puerto Rico in the Spanish-American War and still occupy Puerto Rico today.

Nicaragua - 1898 - Marines landed at the port of San Juan del Sur.

Samoa - 1899 - Troops landed as a result over the battle for succession to the throne.

Panama - 1901-14 - Navy supported the revolution when Panama claimed independence from Colombia. American troops have occupied the Canal Zone since 1901 when construction for the canal began.

Honduras - 1903 - Marines landed to intervene during a revolution.

Dominican Rep 1903-04 - Troops landed to protect American interests during a revolution.

Korea - 1904-05 - Marines landed during the Russo-Japanese War.

Cuba - 1906-09 - Troops landed during an election.

Nicaragua - 1907 - Troops landed and a protectorate was set up.

Honduras - 1907 - Marines landed during Honduras' war with Nicaragua.

Panama - 1908 - Marines sent in during Panama's election.

Nicaragua - 1910 - Marines landed for a second time in Bluefields and Corinto.

Honduras - 1911 - Troops sent in to protect American interests during Honduras' civil war.

China - 1911-41 - Navy and troops sent to China during continuous flare-ups.

Cuba - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American interests in Havana.

Panama - 1912 - Marines landed during Panama's election.

Honduras - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American interests.

Nicaragua - 1912-33 - Troops occupied Nicaragua and fought guerrillas during its 20-year civil war.

Mexico - 1913 - Navy evacuated Americans during revolution.

Dominican Rep 1914 - Navy fought with rebels over Santo Domingo.

Mexico - 1914-18 - Navy and troops sent in to intervene against nationalists.

Haiti - 1914-34 - Troops occupied Haiti after a revolution and occupied Haiti for 19 years.

Dominican Rep 1916-24 - Marines occupied the Dominican Republic for eight years.

Cuba - 1917-33 - Troops landed and occupied Cuba for 16 years; Cuba became an economic protectorate.

World War I - 1917-18 - Navy and Army sent to Europe to fight the Axis powers.

Russia - 1918-22 - Navy and troops sent to eastern Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution; Army made five landings.

Honduras - 1919 - Marines sent during Honduras' national elections.

Guatemala - 1920 - Troops occupied Guatemala for two weeks during a union strike.

Turkey - 1922 - Troops fought nationalists in Smyrna.

China - 1922-27 - Navy and Army troops deployed during a nationalist revolt.

Honduras - 1924-25 - Troops landed twice during a national election.

Panama - 1925 - Troops sent in to put down a general strike.

China - 1927-34 - Marines sent in and stationed for seven years throughout China.

El Salvador - 1932 - Naval warships deployed during the FMLN revolt under Marti.

World War II - 1941-45 - Military fought the Axis powers: Japan, Germany, and Italy.

Yugoslavia - 1946 - Navy deployed off the coast of Yugoslavia in response to the downing of an American plane.

Uruguay - 1947 - Bombers deployed as a show of military force.

Greece - 1947-49 - United States operations insured a victory for the far right in national "elections."

Germany - 1948 - Military deployed in response to the Berlin blockade; the Berlin airlift lasts 444 days.

Philippines - 1948-54 - The CIA directed a civil war against the Filipino Huk revolt.

Puerto Rico - 1950 - Military helped crush an independence rebellion in Ponce.

Korean War - 1951-53 - Military sent in during the war.

Iran - 1953 - The CIA orchestrated the overthrow of democratically elected Mossadegh and restored the Shah to power.

Vietnam - 1954 - The United States offered weapons to the French in the battle against Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh.

Guatemala - 1954 - The CIA overthrew the democratically elected Arbenz and placed Colonel Armas in power.

Egypt - 1956 - Marines deployed to evacuate foreigners after Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal.

Lebanon - 1958 - Navy supported an Army occupation of Lebanon during its civil war.

Panama - 1958 - Troops landed after Panamanians demonstrations threatened the Canal Zone.

Vietnam - 1950s-75 - Vietnam War.

Cuba - 1961 - The CIA-directed Bay of Pigs invasions failed to overthrow the Castro government.

Cuba - 1962 - The Navy quarantines Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Laos - 1962 - Military occupied Laos during its civil war against the Pathet Lao guerrillas.

Panama - 1964 - Troops sent in and Panamanians shot while protesting the United States presence in the Canal Zone.

Indonesia - 1965 - The CIA orchestrated a military coup.

Dominican Rep- 1965-66 - Troops deployed during a national election.

Guatemala - 1966-67 - Green Berets sent in.

Cambodia - 1969-75 - Military sent in after the Vietnam War expanded into Cambodia.

Oman - 1970 - Marines landed to direct a possible invasion into Iran.

Laos - 1971-75 - Americans carpet-bomb the countryside during Laos' civil war.

Chile - 1973 - The CIA orchestrated a coup, killing President Allende who had been popularly elected. The CIA helped to establish a military regime under General Pinochet.

Cambodia - 1975 - Twenty-eight Americans killed in an effort to retrieve the crew of the Mayaquez, which had been seized.

Angola - 1976-92 - The CIA backed South African rebels fighting against Marxist Angola.

Iran - 1980 - Americans aborted a rescue attempt to liberate 52 hostages seized in the Teheran
embassy.

Libya - 1981 - American fighters shoot down two Libyan fighters.

El Salvador - 1981-92 - The CIA, troops, and advisers aid in El Salvador's war against the FMLN.

Nicaragua - 1981-90 - The CIA and NSC directed the Contra War against the Sandinistas.

Lebanon - 1982-84 - Marines occupied Beirut during Lebanon's civil war; 241 were killed in the American barracks and Reagan "redeployed" the troops to the Mediterranean.

Honduras - 1983-89 - Troops sent in to build bases near the Honduran border.

Grenada - 1983-84 - American invasion overthrew the Maurice Bishop government.

Iran - 1984 - American fighters shot down two Iranian planes over the Persian Gulf.

Libya - 1986 - American fighters hit targets in and around the capital city of Tripoli.

Bolivia - 1986 - The Army assisted government troops on raids of cocaine areas.

Iran - 1987-88 - The United States intervened on the side of Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War.

Libya - 1989 - Navy shot down two more Libyan jets.

Virgin Islands - 1989 - Troops landed during unrest among Virgin Island peoples.

Philippines - 1989 - Air Force provided air cover for government during coup.

Panama - 1989-90 - 27,000 Americans landed in overthrow of President Noriega; over 2,000 Panama civilians were killed.

Liberia - 1990 - Troops entered Liberia to evacuate foreigners during civil war.

Saudi Arabia - 1990-91 - American troops sent to Saudi Arabia, which was a staging area in the war against Iraq.

Kuwait - 1991 - Troops sent into Kuwait to turn back Saddam Hussein.

Somalia - 1992-94 - Troops occupied Somalia during civil war.

Bosnia - 1993-95 - Air Force jets bombed "no-fly zone" during civil war in Yugoslavia.

Haiti - 1994-96 - American troops and Navy provided a blockade against Haiti's military government. The CIA restored Aristide to power.

Zaire - 1996-97 - Marines sent into Rwanda Hutus' refugee camps in the area where the Congo revolution began.

Albania - 1997 - Troops deployed during evacuation of foreigners.

Sudan - 1998 - American missiles destroyed a pharmaceutical complex where alleged nerve gas components were manufactured.

Afghanistan - 1998 - Missiles launched towards alleged Afghan terrorist training camps.

Yugoslavia - 1999 - Bombings and missile attacks carried out by the United States in conjunction with NATO in the 11 week war against Milosevic.

Iraq - 1998-2001 - Missiles launched into Baghdad and other large Iraq cities for four days.

American jets enforced "no-fly zone" and continued to hit Iraqi targets since December 1998.

These **100** instances of American military intervention did not include times when the United States:

(1) deployed military police overseas;

(2) mobilized the National Guard;

(3) sent Navy ships off the coast of numerous countries as a show of strength;

(4) sent additional troops to areas where Americans were already stationed;

(5) carried out covert actions where American forces were not under the direct rule of an
American command;

(6) used small hostage rescue units;

(7) used American pilots to fly foreign planes;

(8) carried out military training and advisory programs which did not involve direct combat.


U. S. Government Assassination Plots
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Following is a list of prominent foreign leaders whose assassination (or planning for same) the United States has been involved in since the end of Second World War. The list does not include several assassinations in various parts of the world carried out by anti-Castro Cubans employed by CIA and headquartered in the United States:

LIST A: NON MUSLIMS

1949 - KIm Koo, Korean opposition leader
1950's - CIA/Neo-Nazi hit list of numerous political figures in West Germany
1955 - Jose' Antonio Remon, President of Panama
1950's Chou En-lai, Prime Minister of China, several attempts on his life
1951 - Kim Il Sung, Premiere of North Korea
1950s (mid) - Claro M. Recto, Philippines opposition leader
1955 - Jawar Lal Nehru, Prime Minister of India
1959 and 1963 - Norodom Sihanouk, leader of Cambodia
1950s-70s - Jose Figueres, President of Costa Rica, two attempts on his life
1961 - Francois "Papa Doc"Duvalier, leader of Haiti
1961 - Patrice Lumumba , Prime Minister of Congo (Zaire)
1961 - Gen. Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic
1963 - Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam
1960s - Fidel Castro, President of Cuba, more than 15 attempts on his life
1960s - Raul Castro, high official in government of Cuba
1965 - Francisco Caamanao, Dominican Republic opposition leader
1965 - Pierre Ngendandumwe, Prime Minister of Burundi
1965-6 - Charles de Gaulle, President of France
1967 - Che Guevara, Cuban leader
1970 - Salvadore Allende, President of Chile
1970 - General Rene Schneider, Commander-in-Chief of Army, Chile
1970s and 1981 - Gen. Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama
1972 - General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Panama Intelligence
1975 - Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire
1976 - Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica
1983 - Miguel d'Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua
1984 - The nine commandantes of the Sandanista National Directorate
1980's - Dr. Gerald Bull, Canadian Ballistics Scientist assassinated by Mossad in Belgium.

Partial List of Muslim Leaders Assassinated or Attempted Assassinations

1950's Sukarno, President of Indonesia
1957 Gamal Abdul Nasser, President of Egypt
1960 Brigadier General, Abdul Karim Kassem, Leader of Iraq
1980-86 Muammar Qaddafi, Leader of Libya, several plots and attempts upon his life
1982 Ayatullah Khomeini, Leader of Iran
1983 General Ahmed Dlimi, Moroccan army Commander
1985 Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadllallah, Lebanese Shiite Leader (80 people killed in that attempt)
1991 Saddam Hussein, Leader of Iraq
Reference: Blum, William, "KILLING HOPE -

U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II," Appendix III U.S. Government Assassination Plots, page 453, Common Courage Press, Monroe, Maine 1995. ISBN 1-56751-052-3

Very likely Victims :
April 4, 1979 - Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Leader of Pakistan, for pursuing making of Nuclear Bomb.
August, 1988. General Ziaul Haq, Military Leader of Pakistan.
1995 - Murtaza Bhutto, Son of ZUlfiqar Ali Bhutto, Anti-American would-be Leader - Pakistan.
March 25, 1975 - King Faisal of Saudi Arabia through his Nephew, Saudi Arabia for imposing 1973 Oil Embargo.
August 24, 1999. Mullah Mohammad Omar, in Kandhar, Afghanistan.

"List of Known Assassination Plots"

1950's Sukarno, President of Indonesia
1957 Gamal Abdul Nasser, President
2001 Since early this year more than 40 Palestinian leaders assassinated through surrogate Israel with the help of CIA.
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Unread post by jawanmardan » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:41 pm

Ghulam, until Muslims adopt democracy, the Islamic world will remain a plaything for imperialism. I believe that the good and decent values of the ordinary Muslim, are the best guard against both terrorism and imperialism.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:26 pm

Br.Jawanmardan,

I agree that the muslims have still to do a lot of homework and that we too need a sincere introspection of ourselves but at the same time one cannot ignore the inhuman acts of the Americans. I dont know whether you have read about the far deeprooted conspiracy of the freemasons who are working since years towards achieving what they call 'A new world order' and that the people occupying the highest seat in the USA and other western countries are members of the freemason club.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:45 pm

One more Inhuman and evil act of the United States of America:-

US BIOLOGICAL WARFARE.

U.S. UNLEASHES FLESH-EATING FLY IN IRAQ.

The British newspaper the Independent on August 2, broke the news about the actions of the United States in unleashing a flesh-eating fly into Iraq some eight months ago. The insect was invented and developed at the Department of Agriculture's Stoneville, Mississippi laboratories during the Nixon administration. It is designed to kill livestock as well as humans.

According to briefing papers compiled by the U.N. Food and Agricultural Organization (FAO), the fly, known as the screw-worm fly, attacks wounds, scars and cuts, the navels of newborn babies and tic bites of both warm-blooded animals and humans, and causes foul-smelling discharges. According to a FAO mission currently visiting Iraq, it has already spread to 12 of the 18 Iraqi provinces since December and has already reached epidemic proportions. Forty people are already known to have died and the toll on livestock is estimated to be in the tens of thousands.

A screw-worm female fly lays an average of four batches of 400 eggs on the broken skin and in just 12 hours they enter the body and hatch into flesh-eating larvae. A whole cow can be consumed in less than seven days.

The Independent quotes George Pumphrey, a researcher into U.S. foreign policy, including the repeated use of biological weapons against its declared enemies, as saying that "Iraq is but the latest victim in what appears to be a deliberate introduction of the screw-worm as a biological weapon. In Libya, where an outbreak occurred in 1989, 2,000 animals were killed. It was exemplarily combatted, yet by the following year it covered 35,000km and killed 12,000 head of stock."

Ali Baghdadi Au, writing in the Arab Journal points out that this is in violation of all international accords and agreements that govern nations' conduct at times of war and peace. Armies from 28 nations (including the U.S., the U.K. and France), in 42 days of the Gulf War "dropped explosives equivalent to seven and a half Hiroshima nuclear bombs (850,000 tons to be exact) and flew 110,000 bombing sorties," but did not achieve their objective of taking over Iraq. "Nor did the murder of one and a half million Iraqi civilians through starvation and lack of medication," he writes, recalling also that U.S. Secretary of Defence Madeline Albright dismissed such crimes on the NBC program "60 Minutes" by declaring that it was not too high a price to pay. "It is worth it," she said.

The Arab Journal established that this illegal weapon was developed under the Nixon administration "originally designed to proliferate and consume poppy crops in the "golden Triangle." Developed by a pharmacologist Dr. Jerome Jaffe, the name "screw-worm, was selected after President Nixon remarked that the insect died after intercourse as a self-destructive mechanism controlling its life cycle when its mission is accomplished. Nixon convinced Congress to appropriate funds for the covert project "only after he was able to disguise the fly as an innocent- sounding ecological weed-killer."

"Iraq, which is under the strictest and cruellest economic sanctions in history," the Arab Journal writes, "does not have the means to eradicate the screw-worm. The task involves breeding flies and sterilizing the males with radioactive cobalt that Baghdad is not allowed to have. Unless the world reacts and acts to stop this 'holocaust' now, four million more Iraqis, mostly women, children and the elderly, may soon perish."

The Marxist-Leninist Weekly, 5/9/98

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:49 pm

a very good article indeed. bro, ghulam, for the the US, national interest is the sole and paramount interest. but it will get its due. most likely, it will not be destroyed by external forces, but will implode upon itself, breaking up internally.

every dog has its day and the muslims will rise, but only when they learn to set aside their differences and follow the true principles of islam. respect to individual freedoms, equality and justice for all. when rational and large hearted thinkers prevail who would follow the examples of Ali Ibne Abitalib and keep the ummah united, and destroy the divisions based on shia-sunni and arab-non-arab, men over women. etc.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:03 pm

Br.Al Zulfiqar,

The ways of Allah swt are really mysterious. Only a year back who would have imagined that the self styled super power USA would find itself in the midst of an unpreceedented financial crisis the likes of which the world has never seen before. They have created a mess which is impossible for them to clear. The sub prime mortgage is the first of the crisis which has shaken the global economy. This is only a tip of the iceberg, yet to come is the mid prime mortgage and credit card crisis which is much larger then the sub prime one. So you rightly said that every dog has his day.

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Unread post by Fatwa Banker » Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:23 pm

Sorry to breakup this lovefest but you guys have your head stuck up your ass if you think that this will lead to a downfall of the US. Financial crises come and go and they said the same thing after the Great Depression and the Dot Com bust. It is wishful thinking on your part , especially if you are wallowing in "ways of Allah swt" , waiting for "muslims [to] rise", "set aside their differences ", and here's the real stickler "follow the true principles of islam". Haven't you all learnt anything ? The only way that the US will implode is if they do not control their immigration and keep allowing Muslims who despise the US, to become American citizens.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:26 pm

Fatwabanker,

So you think that everytime the US economy falls it will rise again. I cant comment on you fantasy because time alone will tell as to what is in store for the US this time around. Lets see who has the last laugh. Whether it is the ones who lick Bush's arse or the ones who can see the innumerable atrocities commited by him and his administration accross the globe.

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Unread post by znanwalla » Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:40 pm

Ghulambhai,

I do not believe that anyone will try to argue that Bush did not screw up with his cronies ! I think it is important for us all to understand that America is not necessarily "Bush"....like others he has had his innings - has screwed us all and we all have lost, one way or the other.....I do not think that "Fatwa" is promoting Bush per se.....we should only talk in terms of a Nation ! and frankly this is our argument too when it comes to Islam....do not categorize us as terrorists or as radicals and do not drag our Prophet's good name into all the crap one happens to see around us as the majority of the muslims are peace loving and pious people and so when a few radicals "hijack" Islam, don't come and say to us that we all are the same...and this has been our theme all along because the Western world has shown brazen ignorance about Islam and its guiding principles and ethics....I hope this helps you all in making clear distinctions in your present dialogue....Bush's arse is not worth licking for any of us brother !.....or for that matter the arse of the despots in the muslim world ! The rules of Vice gerency as per the Prophet's directive are all clear and self-explanatory.....if people follow truly the Prophet's guidance and Islamic tenets, we cannot ever go wrong ! and this is the primary problem that I see today....zn

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Unread post by Fatwa Banker » Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:03 pm

Ghulam,
So you think that everytime the US economy falls it will rise again. I cant comment on you fantasy because time alone will tell as to what is in store for the US this time around.
I don’t know about every time in the future, but is has in the past and based on the nature of the current crises and the amount of money involved, yes it will this time as well. What you fails to comprehend is that it is global this time around and the packaged US CDS’s were bought in boatloads by Europe, China and the Arabs. It is not a fantasy, just take the time to understand what you are shooting from the hip about. The US is more than 20% of the world economy; when we sneeze, the world catches a cold.
Whether it is the ones who lick Bush's arse or the ones who can see the innumerable atrocities commited by him and his administration accross the globe.
It is reprehensible to attempt to justify and draw moral equivalencies while the mayhem in Mumbai was still taking place. Ever wonder how why the muslim teens are filled with so much hate ? I don’t…just read your post.
Lets see who has the last laugh
This is not a laughing matter as people’s lives and livelihoods are at stake, not just in the US, but globally.

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Unread post by znanwalla » Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:37 am

This horrible, contemptible exploitation of humanity is one reason why the world is not at peace today and this is not the legacy of the West only but also of the “modern” day masters who now govern and who brazenly call themselves Muslims and frankly they are even worse than the colonizers....there is nothing Islamic about them !

They are the worst among the worst in corruption and brazen avarice.

There is no cure for them except a jihad i.e. a righteous war; Muslims should simply throw them out of power....democratically ofcourse !

Unfortunately the West colludes with these despots of the Muslim world and therefore gives rise to the extremist because only the extremist has the will to pick up the gun and face the injustice of state terror. ....have you watched Fahrenheit 9/11 ?

In the evolution of the so-called “Muslim terrorist” the West is directly complicit because it wants the resources of Muslim lands at a cheap price – and then pays through its nose fighting the jihadi warrior who will die rather than surrender his right for a better world for his people. ...in the process we all get screwed up....it is thus a bizarre conspiracy and the bullied and the bought are in all this together.....

If the West wants peace and economic security it must itself stop encouraging the corrupt Muslim despots by giving their loot safe havens in their banks and allowing them to purchase financial securities, businesses and real estate in their countries: talk about money laundering amounting to trillions upon trillions of dollars of the poor of the Third World sitting in the West! so don't we all Smell hypocrisy, lies, and dirty dealings by the so-called “modern” Western leaders and their muslim puppets?

Live hypocritically and pay the price and so we all suffer: the rise of the Muslim militant who is tired and exhausted by the hypocrisy and military support of the West to these Muslim despots then becomes reactionary.....so who are the real terrorists?...zn

Suddenly enters Osama bin Laden and his troops from Arabia, the Middle East, South Asia, Central Asia, North Africa, and elsewhere. America the superpower cannot find this one individual without home or hearth and his troops wreak havoc as did the Mongols of yesteryear......very funny !

Is there not a lesson to learn in all this? “War on Terror” is the stupidity of the stupidest Western leader in this, this modern world, followed by all the European lackeys who call themselves leaders and the muslim despots.....zn

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Unread post by anajmi » Mon Dec 01, 2008 1:34 pm

The US is more than 20% of the world economy; when we sneeze, the world catches a cold.
Now imagine what happens to the world when the US farts. :wink:

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Unread post by Aarif » Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:08 pm

Fatwa Banker wrote:Sorry to breakup this lovefest but you guys have your head stuck up your ass if you think that this will lead to a downfall of the US. Financial crises come and go and they said the same thing after the Great Depression and the Dot Com bust. It is wishful thinking on your part , especially if you are wallowing in "ways of Allah swt" , waiting for "muslims [to] rise", "set aside their differences ", and here's the real stickler "follow the true principles of islam". Haven't you all learnt anything ? The only way that the US will implode is if they do not control their immigration and keep allowing Muslims who despise the US, to become American citizens.
FB,

For your kind information after 9/11 which was created by the US, the entire world was on their side. They had all the sympathies they needed from the rest of the world... Now after 7 years everyone knows their true colors including the Americans themselves. They know that all this wars for democracy are actually wars for oil. US is using terrorism as a tool to acheive its own selfish motives. Many Americans have made genuine documentary films on the facist policies of Bush and his cronies. US is in deep shit right now and no one in the world is feeling bad for them anymore. Even if they will recover from the financial crisis their image as a super power is already well tarnished... Its a matter of time when more and more people will unveil their hypocratic approach towards the rest of the world and than they will have nowhere to run. Also, remember that US is US because of the rest of the world... If there is no rest of the world no one will even give a fart for their sneezes...

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:37 am

After 8 years of feeding bullshit to the Average Morons in the US, Bush now says that the thing he was most unprepared for, was war.

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Unread post by znanwalla » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:14 am

and now imagine what happens when their muslim lackeys who are rulers catch this fart and spread it around them?....zn

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Unread post by znanwalla » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:16 am

That is why he is Mr Bush ! but then do we also have to be idiotic? or dishonest and screw our own selves?......Iraq was attacked from bases inside muslim countries...there was a settling of scores here ! this is unislamic...zn

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Unread post by znanwalla » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:19 am

once again I must caution you all....do not mix an entire nation with the administration....never do that ! that again is unislamic.....is it fair to condemn the entire muslim umma for the actions some radicals in minority?....zn

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Unread post by turbocanuck » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:21 am

No One cares about the Americans?? Yup!! wait till an earthquake or a flood happens in those Allahforsaken countries.guess who they will be bleating to?? you got it!! Good old USA!! free money, handouts, welfare?? yeah keep them coming............already been admitted to on this forum by Wahhabi Freeloaders. Only a matter of time before Pogey runs out....then what?? back to Tora Bora... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Unread post by znanwalla » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:40 am

They are the best buddies of Bush and Cheney and do business together ! ask them where the wahabbi wealth is lying today....in USA with Bush....and then they bark like imbeciles...infact US is occupying SA and UAE countries...and they are boasting.....they are just sick folks...

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:07 am

Two of my dimwits talking dimwitted talk. It is funny how they can contradict themselves and still not have a clue. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Unread post by Fatwa Banker » Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:01 pm

9/11 which was created by the US
:idea: you mean just like Palestine which was created by Islamic extremists to recruit more extremists and turn them into Wahabi murderers, and keep the rest of their population dumb, angry and illiterate ?
They know that all this wars for democracy are actually wars for oil.
Yeah, I see the oil tankers full of sweet crude from Afghanistan headed for the US. Wait a minute, don’t we already have these dictators in our back pocket ? Saddam was already our puppet. The only non-puppet oil producing countries we have are Russia and Venezuela, but being that they are non-Muslim countries, they are kinda hard to dominate ;)

remember that US is US because of the rest of the world
Hmmm, I think the world is the world because of the US :twisted:

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Unread post by Aarif » Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:46 pm

Yeah, I see the oil tankers full of sweet crude from Afghanistan headed for the US. Wait a minute,
FB,

Looks like you are living up to your reputation as FB (you know what I mean)

Even though there are no oil tankers moving from Afghanistan to US, you cannot undermine its strategic importance. The Russians precisely wanted it for that reason. The path via Afghanistan and Pakistan leads to Gulf of Hormuz from where the oil fields are very easily accesible. Charlie Wilson the senator who sponsored the Afghan war against Russia went from a meagre budget of 5 million to 2 billion dollors... Now don't tell me he was in love with Afghani Mullahs... And if US is really into helping countries gain their freedom than why did they supported withdrawal of UN peace keeping force in Rwanda which resulted in genocide, killing 800,000 people??? Who the heck is interested in Africa??? Now I do not see any oil tankers coming out from Africa.

As far as Palestine is concerned, the British and French after the world war created Israel to help their zionist allies and coolly walked away without even doing the basic analysis on the result of creating a Jewish nation in the middle of Arab land... But than who cares. Blame it on the Wahabis..
Hmmm, I think the world is the world because of the US
Well that makes you an Ostrich who closes its eyes hides its face in the sand and assumes that now no one else exists because it can see no one...

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Unread post by znanwalla » Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:48 pm

Najmi,

Lo ! don't you know SA is occupied since long now? and your women loves Mr Bush and have said so openly....I did show you the article....do you want me to show you again?.....your holy lands are occupied by the infidels whom the wahabbis love dearly.....all their wealth is in US and the Bin Ladens are the business partners of Dick and Mick !!! and so what are you boasting?....zn

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Unread post by znanwalla » Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:50 pm

and all the Wahabbi oil goes to the companies which belong to Dick and Mick ....and so what use is for you to write long diatribes here - rather I suggest that you watch Fahreinheiht 9/11 and Obsessionist - it will remind you of your hole !...zn

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Unread post by Aarif » Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:52 pm

your holy lands are occupied by the infidels whom the wahabbis love dearly.
Just like some lands are occupied by Fart Banks and they love to fart on those lands dearly at every opportunity they get... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Unread post by znanwalla » Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:55 pm

which lands? most of the wahhabis lands are occupied by the infidels and so how can you now bark like imbeciles and like I have said your women too love them....they have siad this openly.....now instead of wasting time here ...go home and make sure your veggies move around naked and not drapped in some black uniform....zn

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Unread post by Fatwa Banker » Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:33 pm

Arif,

Quit whining like a pussy, America this, America that...waaaah...waaaah! Let me tell you a story...

A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold; the bird froze and fell to the ground in a large field.
While it was lying there, a cow came by and dropped some dung on it. As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of cow dung, it began to realize how warm it was. The dung was actually thawing him out!

He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy. A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to investigate. Following the sound, the cat discovered the
bird under the pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him!

Moral of the story:

1) Not everyone who drops shit on you is your enemy.
2) Not everyone who gets you out of shit is your friend.
3) And when you're in deep shit, keep your mouth shut!

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Unread post by znanwalla » Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:53 am

~:: Mumbai After The Smoke Has Cleared ::~

On Monday most of Mumbai, India attempted a return to normal activity, in the wake of the 60-hour-long siege last week. Some facts about the attacks are a bit clearer now, others still hazy. Based in part on the confessions of the only terrorist captured alive - Azam Amir Kasav (also identified elsewhere as 'Ajmal Qasab'), Indian officials now say that there were only 10 gunmen involved, all members of Lashkar-e-Taiba, a Pakistani militant group with links to the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir - though Pakistan officially denies any involvement. According to recent reports, the ten attackers were responsible for the deaths of 172 people, including 19 foreigners, and 239 wounded. While mourners of the victims attended to their loved ones, and people all over the world held vigils, a Muslim graveyard in Mumbai refused to bury the nine dead gunmen - an official saying that they were not true followers of the Islamic faith.

Their bodies should be thrown into the sea...they don't deserve any kind of burial...

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:17 am

Nations sign cluster-bomb ban,US and Russia refuse - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081203/ap_ ... ster_bombs

98 percent of cluster-bomb victims are civilians, and 27 percent are children.
The anti-cluster bomb campaign gathered momentum after Israel's monthlong war against Hezbollah in 2006, when it scattered up to 4 million bomblets across Lebanon, according to U.N. figures.

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Unread post by Aarif » Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:09 pm

Quit whining like a pussy, America this, America that...waaaah...waaaah! Let me tell you a story...
Give me one example where America did something for other countries without any selfish motive and I will stop whining...

As far as the story is concerned it is full of fart... What the heck was that bird doing in that freezing cold place??? And how the heck did the bullock cart ended up in Antartica... And finally even if it is somehow true than I don't see any logic in it because ultimately the bird does die. And if I were to choose between the two I would prefer to die of freezing cold rather than becoming cat feed after eating shit... :mrgreen: