Saudi Clerics Advocate Adult Breast-Feeding

[Conscíous]

Women in Saudi Arabia should give their breast milk to male colleagues and acquaintances in order to avoid breaking strict Islamic law forbidding mixing between the sexes, two powerful Saudi clerics have said. They are at odds, however, over precisely how the milk should be conveyed.

A fatwa issued recently about adult breast-feeding to establish "maternal relations" and preclude the possibility of sexual contact has resulted in a week's worth of newspaper headlines in Saudi Arabia. Some have found the debate so bizarre that they're calling for stricter regulations about how and when fatwas should be issued.

Sheikh Al Obeikan, an adviser to the royal court and consultant to the Ministry of Justice, set off a firestorm of controversy recently when he said on TV that women who come into regular contact with men who aren't related to them ought to give them their breast milk so they will be considered relatives.

"The man should take the milk, but not directly from the breast of the woman," Al Obeikan said, according to Gulf News. "He should drink it and then becomes a relative of the family, a fact that allows him to come in contact with the women without breaking Islam's rules about mixing."

Obeikan said the fatwa applied to men who live in the same house or come into contact with women on a regular basis, except for drivers.

Al Obeikan, who made the statement after being asked on TV about a 2007 fatwa issued by an Egyptian scholar about adult breast-feeding, said that the breast milk ought to be pumped out and given to men in a glass.

But his remarks were followed by an announcement by another high-profile sheik, Abi Ishaq Al Huwaini, who said that men should suckle the breast milk directly from a woman's breast.

Shortly after the two sheiks weighed in on the matter, a bus driver in the country's Eastern Region reportedly told one of the female teachers whom he drives regularly that he wanted to suckle milk from her breast. The teacher has threaten to file a lawsuit against him.

The fatwa stems from the tenets of the strict Wahhabi version of Islam that governs modern Saudi Arabia and forbids women from mixing with men who are not relatives. They are also not allowed to vote, drive or even leave the country without the consent of a male "guardian."

Under Islamic law, women are encouraged to breast-feed their children until the age of 2. It is not uncommon for sisters, for example, to breast-feed their nephews so they and their daughters will not have to cover their faces in front of them later in life. The custom is called being a "breast milk sibling."

But under Islamic law, breast milk siblings have to be breastfed before the age of 2 in five "fulfilling" sessions. Islam prohibits sexual relations between a man and any woman who breastfed him in infancy. They are then allowed to be alone together when the man is an adult because he is not considered a potential mate.

"The whole issue just shows how clueless men are," blogger Eman Al Nafjan wrote on her website. "All this back and forth between sheiks and not one bothers to ask a woman if it's logical, let alone possible to breastfeed a grown man five fulfilling breast milk meals.

"Moreover, the thought of a huge hairy face at a woman's breast does not evoke motherly or even brotherly feelings. It could go from the grotesque to the erotic but definitely not maternal."

Al Nafjan said many in the country were appalled by the fatwa.

"We have many important issues that need discussing," Al Nafjan told AOL News Friday. "It's ridiculous to spend time talking about adult breast-feeding."

Unlawful mixing between the sexes is taken very seriously in Saudi Arabia. In March 2009, a 75-year-old Syrian widow, Khamisa Mohammed Sawadi, living in the city of Al-Chamil, was given 40 lashes and sentenced to six months in prison after the religious police learned that two men who were not related to her were in her house, delivering bread to her.

One of the two men found in her house, Fahd, told the police that Sawadi breast-fed him as a baby so he was considered a son and had a right to be there. But in a later court ruling, a judge said it could not be proved that Fahd was her "breast milk son." Fahd was sentenced to four months in prison and 40 lashes, and the man who accompanied him got six months and 60 lashes.

The original adult breast-feeding fatwa was issued three years ago by an Egyptian scholar at Egypt's al-Azhar University, considered Sunni Islam's top university. Ezzat Attiya was expelled from the university after advocating breast-feeding of men as a way to circumnavigate segregation of the sexes in Egypt.

A year ago, Attiya was reinstated to his post.

Source : Internet

[anajmi]

This is old news and has been discussed before on this forum. Unless it is relevant somehow, for eg, someone getting a sudden urge to breast feed and hence digging up old idiotic fatwas, it is pointless.

[Conscíous]

Old news for you, but new for me and who said it was posted for a discussion, weirdo
And one more thing, If this has been discussed like EVERYTHING else on this forum.. Why do you then, still keep on repeating in those eight thousands posts with the same old rubbish you still keep posting ??
You should start, listening to your own advise

[anajmi]

If you look closely, you will see that I do not start repetetive threads. I only respond. I do not make copies of other people posts in new threads and I do not start new threads for topics that have been dead for years. However, a teacher has to teach the same thing over and over to his students. If some of his students are dumb and stupid, then the teacher has to repeat the same thing more often than usual.

[Conscíous]

I don't have time to waste, unlike you,, who has been here a decade, deluding yourself thinking you are a teacher, when your only a pathetic preacher just wasting your life

Now, go and cry to the Admin, so he can delete this comments of mine, like he has been doing for the past few days, just to save your worthless broken ego, so you can comeback tomorrow, pretending like nothing has happened

Admin, Just that you know, I've started taking screenshots

[anajmi]

Well, time spent over here hasn't been all a waste. Ofcourse, I do accept that time that I have spent replying to your asinine posts has been a complete waste. I appreciate you for being considerate and I am hoping that you will not be the cause for me wasting my time replying to you when I should be spending that time replying to posts from more intelligent people.

[Conscíous]

Bro anajmi,
When you've accepted the time spent on me, was a waste, is another way of admitting, defeat
I'm glad, we had this mental exercise

Takecare
Allah is Great..

[Conscíous]

Bro anajmi,
When you've accepted the time spent on me, was a waste, is another way of admitting, defeat
I'm glad, we had this mental exercise

Takecare
Allah is Great..

[anajmi]

I like your attitude. You are preparing yourself for perennial failure by having this positive attitude. You have to believe you are always winning doesn't matter how hard your butt gets kicked. You are finally learning how to live with your handicap. I am glad I was able to help you develop this attitude. I too am glad we had this mental excercise.

[Conscíous]

Bro anajmi,
I tell you something else what you have helped me with,,, you've brought me even more closer to Him, the day I started reading the Quran, (if you remember).., hence you've made me become a better person

[anajmi]

And you started attacking innocent women after starting to read Quran? Is that the act of a person who is getting closer to Him? If this is the kind of "better" person I have made you become, then the blame is entirely on you.

[Conscíous]

Bro anajmi,
Better is not "perfect" and there is still a long way till then
I don't wanna get into a new discussion and I'll take a rain check until next time things heat up again

[Ala maqaam]

wahabis are clearly cornered

[anajmi]

Ala probably doesn't know what a corner looks like otherwise he wouldn'tve made this idiotic observation after reading the last few posts. No one hands out rain checks from corners!!

[Ala maqaam]

go back and cry to admin,so they might also remove this thread ROFL

[anajmi]

Admin, please remove this thread and save this idiot from his misery.

[profastian]

I see that the moron Muslim First has not posted here. Maybe he is hiding his face in shame...
Or maybe he looking for broads to suckle their breasts

[Ala maqaam]

I see that the moron Muslim First has not posted here. Maybe he is hiding his face in shame...
Or maybe he looking for broads to suckle their breasts

omg ROFL

[anajmi]

profastian,

Now that you are here, I am sure Muslim First's search will be over. ROFL FOCL

[think]

read this post the first time and could not help laughing at the stupidity of the arabs.

[Ala maqaam]

profastian,

Now that you are here, I am sure Muslim First's search will be over. ROFL FOCL

wahabi's are too eager to follow there mother ayesha's fatwa

ROFL

[anajmi]

As per the Quran, she is the mother of all believers. So we can safely say that in the books of Allah, you are a disbeliever.

[profastian]

profastian,

Now that you are here, I am sure Muslim First's search will be over. ROFL

Oh i am sorry. I didn't know his preference. Perhaps, I should have known that you would know better ...

[anajmi]

Getting it wrong is a perpetual problem with you guys. I always know better than abde idiots. ROFL FOCL

[Ala maqaam]

As per the Quran, she is the mother of all believers. So we can safely say that in the books of Allah, you are a disbeliever.

brain dead anajmi moron

Quraan clearly states,Muhammed is neither a father of ummah nor his wivies are mother of ummah,Muhammed is messenger of god.

[anajmi]

Can you please post the ayah where the Quran clearly states that Muhammed is neither a father of ummah nor his wivies are mother of ummah?

[Ala maqaam]

Can you please post the ayah where the Quran clearly states that Muhammed is neither a father of ummah nor his wivies are mother of ummah?

I think u shud remove dust on quraan which is in your house and read it more often....its a basic of quraan

مَّا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِّن رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلَكِن رَّسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيماً



Muhammad is not the father of any male among you, but he is the messenger of God and the seal of the prophets; and God is aware of all things (33:40).

[anajmi]

That is only half of what you claimed. You said

Quraan clearly states,Muhammed is neither a father of ummah nor his wivies are mother of ummah

Where is the portion about the wives?

Here is the Quranic slap on your disbelieving face.

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The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers. Blood-relations among each other have closer personal ties, in the Decree of Allah. Than (the Brotherhood of) Believers and Muhajirs: nevertheless do ye what is just to your closest friends: such is the writing in the Decree (of Allah).

[Ala maqaam]

That is only half of what you claimed. You said

Quraan clearly states,Muhammed is neither a father of ummah nor his wivies are mother of ummah

Where is the portion about the wives?

Here is the Quranic slap on your disbelieving face.

033.006
The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers. Blood-relations among each other have closer personal ties, in the Decree of Allah. Than (the Brotherhood of) Believers and Muhajirs: nevertheless do ye what is just to your closest friends: such is the writing in the Decree (of Allah).

again u showed ur ignorance,if Muhammed is not father of any muslim(ummah) how could his wives becomes mother of believers?

[stranger]

Getting it wrong is a perpetual problem with you guys. I always know better than abde idiots. ROFL FOCL

what ??? preparing bombs