change is inevitable

[aliabbas_aa]

Assalamalaikum
Bismillah irrahman nirrahim
After doing much research and discussing with Top bohra Mullas , i reverted to Quran and Sunnah . Coming to True Islam based on Quran and Sunnah\Hadith was a very refreshing and spiritually enlightening experience. My past life of sin and ignorance vanished away to pave the way for a healthy Islamic virtuous life. I really feel very sorry for my bohra(dawoodi and alvi) friends who still live in this deception and are far away from the precious gift of islam. I changed some 4 years back and in the course of time i also found many other reverts like Iqbal masalawala, Muhammad bhai ,Ali bhai , ghulam bhai ... etc(majority dawoodi bohras)who lecture and attend weekly friday lectures after maghrib near clare road. I was also pleased to find that back in vadodara huge number of bohras have reverted to Quran and sunnah and i also met some of them, one of the reverts has even started an Islamic library in fatehgunj which has a large collection of islamic books. The most pleasing case was that of Ali bhai from worli he was also a former alvi bohra and i was amazed to listen to his engaging lectures in Urdu .He proved the power of Islam as to how a person can be transformed from a typical ignorant gossipy bohra to a pious islamic speaker and a true mumin..I live in mumbai, bohri mohalla,Huseni Tower, i am also working as teaching Asst and Phd research scholar at IIT Bombay,Powai and live in the campus accommodation. Anyone is free to contact me . I am interested in forming a Bohra Support Association.
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[porus]

It is a truism that "Change is inevitable". The question is in what direction is the change taking place? For better or for worse?

Welcome to the forum. It is good to know that you have reverted to the Quran. Could you please invite people of this forum to the Quran by telling us of your experience in how you came to the understanding of the Quran. Such as, did you first learn Arabic or did you you use a translation or a teacher?

As far as Sunnah is concerned, do I assume that you believe the Ahadith of ahl al-jamaa wa_l- sunnah without question? And that you reject all Ahadith from 'Shia' sources?

We have one very vocal and long standing revert on this forum, anajmi. He is a feature of this forum. He is very strident in his views against religious beliefs of Bohras. We have heard him and will, no doubt, continue hearing from him. And now it is your turn. Please contribute as much as you can in a scholarly fashion, if possible. Thank you.

[truebohra]

Ali Abbas bhai,
Your post is misleading. Bohras are following & will follow till Qiyamah, Quran & Sunnah albeit we follow the madhab of Ahlul Bait & Duat Mutlaqin. I understand with your revert you mean following the so called Sunni/Wahabi interpretation of Islam. I think even Progressives may not be interested in your proposition. But you can express your view of Quran /Sunnah.

[anajmi]

tb,

Bohras are not even allowed to read the Quran with understanding, which means they have no clue what it is that they are following. They are taking the words of a man who has been shown time and again on this forum to be a corrupt man whose practices are against the religion of Islam as taught by the prophet (saw). Even stringent idol worshipping shias have realized that bohras and bohra-ism is an even bigger corruption of Islam.

Ali Abbas bhai,

Welcome to the forum. I have rejected shia hadith and practices that elevate the status of human beings to those of Gods and Goddesses. You might want to look at this thread - http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... led#p87259
This is inline with shia beliefs.

[porus]

You might want to look at this thread - http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... led#p87259
This is inline with shia beliefs.

aliabbas,

As far as I am concerned, the video referred to in the above thread is not a Shia belief but a derivative Alavi belief. Bohras follow Ismaili doctrines as solidified during the Fatimd Caliphate but has evolved following disappearance of Imam. There has been a marked shift towards Dai-worship in the reign of the last two Dais, which, I believe, are not in line with traditional Ismaili/Mustaalian faith.

Some reverts have a web-site http://islamhelpline.net/ which has been referenced on this forum a number of times.

Shia faith is founded on Imamat of Ali ibn Abi Talib. There are two narratives on his life. Shia view is in an on-line book:

http://www.maaref-foundation.com/englis ... /index.htm

Unfortunately, that link is currently broken.

Sunni view is detailed in a recent massive 2-volume biography of Ali ibn Abi Talib by Ali Sallabi and published in Saudi Arabia. It is not only a biography but also a virulent attack on what the author calls are 'Rafidi-Shia' views on Ali and Imamat. He repeats the legend that Shiaism is a creation of Abdalla bin Saba, a Jewish convert to Islam during Usman's Caliphate, whose mission was to destroy Islam from within. Shia have disputed this tale and they have cast doubt on the very existence of eponymous Abdalla bin Saba.

If your reversion has anything to do with ibn Saba, please let us know.

[think]

big confusion. should i believe in the coming of the 12th. Imam. Should I believe that naqi and Taqi and others in line were the true imams. should i believe that the Khoja Imam Agha Khan is the haqiqi Imam. Then if Aga Khan is the real Imam, is not the post of Imam higher than the post of Dai and should we not follow the present Imam whose lineage goes right upto Imam Mustansir. Please clear confusion.

[porus]

think,

You will choose the belief which is most comfortable for you. You cannot force it upon yourself and no one else can force it upon you. If you are comfortable being in the company of Bohras with their majlises and so on you can understand their beliefs without believing them yourself.

However, you will not be able to participate with passion if you do not adopt a belief based on your personal education. Alternative is to acquire passion by being roped in by belief of others which, no doubt, you have experienced as a child.

Until you develop passion in this area, your best course would be to be a disinterested observer.

My own view is that you must work with removing beliefs that you were brainwashed with so you can choose new beliefs yourself, if you want. You can have a wonderful life without believing in any religion at all, including atheism.

[anajmi]

As far as I am concerned, the video referred to in the above thread is not a Shia belief but a derivative Alavi belief.

Alavi beliefs are based on Daim-ul-Islam. Their beliefs in Imams and Imamat are the same as Dawoodi Bohras. The split happens after a few dozen Dais.

[anajmi]

think,

First you need to figure out if you believe in Islam. If you do, and you are confused about the derivatives of Islam, then I would suggest you to reject all derivatives and go back to the foundation of Islam. Go back to the Quran and Sunnah of the prophet (saw). You can look at both shia and sunni collections of hadith and wherever you see glorification of a human, keep it aside. Look at the obvious interpretation of the Quran and not the ones presented to you by taawilers. If some ayahs are not clear, put them aside. Look at the clear ayahs of the Quran. If you come across a controversial hadith, put it aside. If you follow these simple rules, you will find yourself much closer to the Quran and Sunnah of the prophet (saw) then when you started.

[porus]

As far as I am concerned, the video referred to in the above thread is not a Shia belief but a derivative Alavi belief.

Alavi beliefs are based on Daim-ul-Islam. Their beliefs in Imams and Imamat are the same as Dawoodi Bohras. The split happens after a few dozen Dais.

Is that video based on Daimul Islam? No, I do not think so.

[anajmi]

I have posted material from Daim-ul-Islam before on this forum, where the author claims that pretty much all ayahs glorifying anything are actually glorifying the Imam. So I would have to say that yes, this video is based upon Daim-ul-Islam. We all have a tendency to exaggerate things. That is what the Alavi Madhoon did. He took it a step further. But his foundation is Daim-ul-Islam.

[Muslim First]

big confusion. should i believe in the coming of the 12th. Imam. Should I believe that naqi and Taqi and others in line were the true imams. should i believe that the Khoja Imam Agha Khan is the haqiqi Imam. Then if Aga Khan is the real Imam, is not the post of Imam higher than the post of Dai and should we not follow the present Imam whose lineage goes right upto Imam Mustansir. Please clear confusion.

Br think, AS
Before you thik about Imam and Imamat you must ascertain that Imamat is fundamental belief of Muslim. It must be found in Qur'an and ahadit.

rayers are mentioned some 90 times. Zakat is mentioned, Hujj and fasingd mentioned.
Why Imamat is not explicitly mentioned?

[JC]

I fully agree with Bros Anajami and Muslim First.

If Imamat is so fundamental, why did God not make it very clear and explicit in Quran and why did Prophet not said so clearly (yeah I know some will come up with Prophet's sermon on Gadeer). I mean if it was so important, Prophet would have said it like said about Five Basics of Islam, isn't it?? WHY on earth Prophet (and may be God) wanted this 'Naemat' for Bohras/Shias only?? Did Islam came only for a bunch of people and not for all Human Kind?? If yes, is not that logical that the BASIC should be so crystal clear??

This Imamat is a Tamasha, an age old 'concept' or 'idea' that was sold for some people's own interest and agenda, whatever those may be. Dais before Taher were using this, but may be in a lackluster way, and may be did not exactly know how to use it for their own benefits (or may be really 'believed' in it) but Taher was very shrewd and he used this concept to further his agenda - agenda of making slaves and money and grabbing power.

A philosophy or an idea, which makes human beings servants and slaves of others and makes them worship dead and idols/graves is inherintly wrong. When people will realize and rise, is only matter of time.

[ghulam muhammed]

If Imamat is so fundamental, why did God not make it very clear and explicit in Quran

This is the exact reason that bohras/shias shout from rooftops that Quran as compiled by Hazrat Umar is the corrupted version as he is alleged to have removed the verses with regard to Imamat and hence it is not in line with the one compiled by Mola Ali (a.s.) which is supposed to have the said verses.

WHY on earth Prophet (and may be God) wanted this 'Naemat' for Bohras/Shias only?? Did Islam came only for a bunch of people and not for all Human Kind??

This 'Naemat' of having access to the so called 'Real' Quran is the prerogative of the dai who has it with him, probably somewhere in the dungeons of saifee mahal but surprisingly no bohra is supposed to have even a glimpse of it, they are just commanded to follow what their master says...'Hame je kahiye te karo', the perfect example of a slave who is supposed to obey his master without asking any questions.

[think]

porus, anajmi and muslim first; if belief is in moula Ali then immamat is a given, since Moula Ali was not a Nabi.
secondly, a representative of Allah is ever present on earth and this is a must for shia belief. that is the reason the shia believes in the coming of Imam Mehdi while the bohras believe in the coming of Imam Tayyeb and the Aga khani believe their Imam is present , a representative of Allah on earth.
even if beief is there in the present dai as the representative of the Imam on earth, then the question comes up as to which Dai should be followed; the Alavi Dai who claims to be the rightful Dai or Dai burhanuddin. or some other Dai .
even if I literally translate the meaning of the verses in the Quran that i can understand and try to follow them . i am still in confusion. The quran asks me to give in charity 2.5 %. where does it state that it should be given to the Dai?

[anajmi]

The quran asks me to give in charity 2.5 %.

The Quran says no such thing. There is no percentage mentioned in the Quran. You can give 2.5% or 25%.

As far as the other beliefs that you have mentioned, I can say with confidence that you can put them all aside and not believe in any of them and still you could be a good believing muslim.

secondly, a representative of Allah is ever present on earth and this is a must for shia belief.

Then I would put the shia beliefs aside as they are not required to follow the Quran and the Sunnah of the prophet (saw).

[Muslim First]

[/i]

Think asked
where does it state that it should be given to the Dai?

here are relevent commnds from Qur'an
Sura 9 Aya 60
إِنَّمَا الصَّدَقَاتُ لِلْفُقَرَاءِ وَالْمَسَاكِينِ وَالْعَامِلِينَ عَلَيْهَا وَالْمُؤَلَّفَةِ قُلُوبُهُمْ وَفِي الرِّقَابِ وَالْغَارِمِينَ وَفِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ وَابْنِ السَّبِيلِ ۖ فَرِيضَةً مِنَ اللَّهِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ {60}
[Shakir 9:60] Alms are (meant) only for the poor and the needy, and the officials (appointed to work for collecting and distributing) over them, and those whose (possible converts) hearts are made to incline (to truth) and the (ransoming of) captives and those in debts and in the way of Allah and the wayfarer; an ordinance from Allah; and Allah is knowing, Wise.
Sura 2 Aya 273
لِلْفُقَرَاءِ الَّذِينَ أُحْصِرُوا فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ لَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ ضَرْبًا فِي الْأَرْضِ يَحْسَبُهُمُ الْجَاهِل أَغْنِيَاءَ مِنَ التَّعَفُّفِ تَعْرِفُهُمْ بِسِيمَاهُمْ لَا يَسْأَلُونَ النَّاسَ إِلْحَافًا ۗ وَمَا تُنْفِقُوا مِنْ خَيْرٍ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ بِهِ عَلِيمٌ {273}
[Shakir 2:273] (Alms are) for the poor who are confined in the way of Allah-- they cannot go about in the land; the ignorant man thinks them to be rich on account of (their) abstaining (from begging); you can recognize them by their mark; they do not beg from men importunately; and whatever good thing you spend, surely Allah knows it.

[Pooya/Ali Commentary 2:273]
Alms should be given to those who are devotedly absorbed in the service of Allah. We can recognize them by the light of contentment and positive acceptance of their mission on their faces. They do not solicit charity, but live from hand to mouth. By stating that only those poor who abstain from begging deserve charity, this verse, indirectly, condemns professional beggary.
"Go about in the land" means seeking sustenance for the family.

My comments:
Agents who collect and distribute charity can use some of it to defray expenses and pay themselves. Kothar probably can fall into this but they must distribute substantial portion of it to needy. Looking at 2;273, Kothar can be considered professional beggers.

[ghulam muhammed]

Kothar can be considered professional beggers

They are SHAHI BHIKARIS (Royal Beggars).

[Aymelek]

[quote="think"] while the bohras believe in the coming of Imam Tayyeb [quote]

Bohras believe that at the end of period of satr an Imam from the progeny of Imam Tayyeb will appear. He is referred to as Qaim Al Qiyamah and will have the laqab of Abu Qasim (same as the Prophet).

[think]

sir aymelek; it is obvious. Imam Tayeb would not be living forever. It has to some one of his grand, grand , grand children. confusion still in place. who is the dai that is representative of Imam Tayeb? who is the representative of Allah on earth. Dai Burhanuddin, or the aaliya Dai from godhra, or some other Dai.?

[JC]

Think,

For a starter why do you think the Representative of Allah has to be an Imam and/or his Dai??!! Allah is God, He is free to appoint His representative like He sent 124,000 prophets.

Care to think why God declared that there will be no prophet after Mohammad? If He could send 124,000 He could have send a couple thousand more, correct?? Why stopped?? The logical reply - He thought there was NO NEED, He had completed His teachings and now it was the time to simply follow the rules. He taught you how to read and gave you the book, go figure!

So forget and stop looking for God's representative on earth, try to be one simply by following what is Best for Human Race, read and try to understand ALL the books, follow what your mind and heart accepts.

[aliabbas_aa]

Assalamalaikum
i had just lost track of this thread, i watched the taweel video posted by brother anajmi, i was really shocked as to how irresponsibly they are interpreting quran on their own whims and desires. i myself met this speaker in the video who is the successor to syedna for alvibohra. Their main contention is that they alone have the true quranic interpretation called as taweel.
Infact Quran itself prohibits taweel even on mutashabihat (ambiguous) verses and we have to accept the clear verses and ambigoous verses on its face without seeking a taweel. The one who seeks taweel is a mischief maker.

He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: in it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical seeking ‘fitnah’ (discord) and searching for its ‘taweel’ (hidden meanings); but no one knows its ‘taaweel’ (hidden meanings) except Allah; and those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord"; and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding. quran 3:7

The whole ismaili clan rests its belief on taweel of quraan. Each subgroup claiming that only they have the correct esoteric \ taweel.
then why should i not believe in what aga khani taweel says over what alvi\dawoodi bohra taweel?
http://www.islamhelpline.com/node/3351

[JC]

The problem is that teacher tries to become master ........... leader tries to become ruler ......... dai tries to become god ............ there can be so many Nakhudas, but no one should try to become Khuda.......!!

Religion sells 'unknown' and 'untested' and 'untried' .......... and hence so many interpretation and manipulation by crooks ......... for example, the idea of Janat, Paradise ........ to be sold, currently there are so many selling this 'product' by their own names and brands ........ its like Coke, there are so many dark colas in market. The beauty of the products these so-called religious leaders sell is that they MAY not exist or may be utterly useless, and yet people pay heaviest of the prices .......

How much a Shaikh title costs these days?? Benefits??

For how much 'purjosh matam' sells, 'ghum-e-hussain' sells?? Benefits - sawab, barakat, janat ........
See the beauty??!!! Nobody has any clue what is being sold, nobody knows what is the use or benefits and yet they trade highest on Non-listed stock exchanges around the world.

[aliabbas_aa]

Assalamalaikum

please go through this site which exposes 1300 years of Shiite lies:
http://www.schiiten.com/backup/AhlelBay ... index.html

[SBM]

Not again another Shia-Sunni divide and bashing
Aliabbas
I noticed that you re appear every few months do a divisive posting and then disappear your original post was in Dec 2011 then another post in Jan 30th and now after 3 months you put another FITNATI post
I hope people on this forum do not fall for this fitna and this does not belong in this category should be moved to Islam if at all needed
Aliabbas
A request can you post some thing which can be a UNITER and not DIVIDER

[progticide]

I would suggest the Admin to delete this topic altogether.

[Hussain_KSA]

I would suggest the Admin to delete this topic altogether.

Seconded

[SBM]

I would suggest the Admin to delete this topic altogether.

At least ]One thing that I and Progticide agree on
NOW ONLY IF HE CAN COMMENT ABOUT "POVERTY IN AHMEDABAD thread" AND WHAT IS HIS ABDE SOLUTION TO HELP THOSE IN NEED

[aliabbas_aa]

Assalamalaikum

How come its divisive posting , when there exists already a real division between various sects which the prophet pbuh prophesied ? All methods to unite muslims which do not aim to discuss on Aqeedah will fail in the long run. There no point in uniting muslims in ignorance and lies. The simple fact is that only one group is on truth and all the misguided groups have to unite back to this true group, else its just a waste of time and effort.
here is an article elaborating this point from http://www.allaahuakbar.net/:
THE SAVED SECT

By Shaikh Muhammad Ibn Jameel Zainoo (1)

1. Allaah says: "And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allaah (i.e., this Qur'an), and be not divided among yourselves." Surah Aali-`Imraan [3:103]

2. And He says: "And do not be among the polytheists. Of those who split up their religion and became sects, each sect rejoicing in that which is with it." Surat-ur-Room [30:31-32]

3. The Messenger of Allaah said: "I counsel you to have Taqwaa of Allaah and to hear and obey, even if an Abyssinian slave were to command you. For, verily, whoever amongst you lives (to grown old), he will see many differences. So stick to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided khaleefahs. Cling tightly onto it and hold onto it with your molar teeth. And beware of newly invented matters. For, indeed, every newly invented matter is an innovation, and every innovation is a thing that leads astray, and everything that leads astray is in the Hellfire." 2

4. And he also said: "Indeed those from before you from the People of the Book divided into seventy-two groups. And, indeed, this group (Muslims) will divide into seventy-three. Seventy-two groups will be in the Hellfire and one of them will be in Paradise. And it is the Jamaa'ah (group)." 3

And in another narration, he said: "Everyone of them in the Hellfire, except for one group that which I and my companions are upon." 4

5. Ibn Mas'ood said: "The Messenger of Allaah drew a line for us and then said: 'This is the Straight Path of Allaah.' And he drew lines on the left and right of it, and then said: 'These are paths of which there is not one except that there is a devil upon it calling towards it.' Then he recited the statements of Allaah 5: 'And verily, this is My Straight Path, so follow it, and do not follow (other) paths for they will separate you away from His path." 6

6. Shaikh ' Abd-ul-Qaadir Al-Jeelaanee Rahimahullaah said: "As for the saved sect, then they are the Ahl-us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah. And there is no name for Ahl-us-Sunnah except for one and that is Ashaab-ul-hadeeth (those who stick to the hadeeth)." 7

7, Allaah, has commanded us to hold tightly onto the Glorious Qur'an, and to not be like the polytheists who divide their religion into sects and parties. And the honorable Messenger has informed us that the Jews and the Christians have divided into many sects, and that the Muslims will divide into more sects than them. And that these groups will subjected to the entrance into the Hellfire due to their deviation and their distancing away from the Book of their Lord and Sunnah of their Prophet. He also informed us that one saved sect from among them will enter Paradise, and it is the Jamaa'ah (group), those who cling tightly onto the book of Allaah and the authentic Sunnah, and the actions of the companions of the Messenger of Allaah.

O Allaah! Make us from among the members of the Saved Sect and give victory to the Muslims so that they may be from among them.
The Methodology Of The Saved Sect

1. The Saved Sect is upon the methodology that the Messenger was upon in his life and the methodology of his companions after him. And that was (the following of ) the Glorious Qur'an which Allaah revealed unto His Messenger, and that which he explained to his companions by way of the ahaadeeth (narration's) that have been authentically reported on him. And he commanded the Muslims to hold tightly onto the two, by his saying: "I left upon you two things of which you will never go astray after them: The Book of Allaah and my Sunnah. They will never be separated until they return to me at the Haud (the Pond)." 8

2. The Saved Sect returns to the Words of Allaah and the words of His Messenger at times of differing and controversy, acting upon the statement of Allaah, the Most High: "And if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it back to Allaah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allaah and in the Last Day. That is more suitable for final determination." Surat-un-Nisaa' [4:59].

And He also says: "But no, by your Lord, they can have no Eemaan (Faith), until they make you (O Muhammad) a judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission." Surat-un-Nisaa' [4:65].

3. The Saved Sect does not put the speech of anyone before the speech of Allaah and His Messenger, acting upon the statement of Allaah: "O you who believe! Do not be forward in the presence of Allaah and His Messenger and fear Allaah. Verily, Allaah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing." Surat-ul-Hujuraat [49:1].

Ibn 'Abbas said: "I fear that rocks from the heavens are about to descend upon you. I say to you: The Messenger of Allaah said, and you say: Abu Bakr and 'Umar said."

4. The Saved Sect gives importance to the Tawheed of Allaah. And that is the singling out of Allaah in terms of His worship, seeking of assistance, supplication at times of hardship and ease, scarifies, oaths, reliance, and other than that from the types of worship. It is the foundation by which the only correct Islaamic state can be established. And there is no doubt that the Shirk (association of partners with Allaah) that is currently present in the Islaamic states should be eradicated. This is because it is one of the requirements of Tawheed. Thus, victory will not come to any group that disregards Tawheed and does not oppose shirk and its types.

5. The Saved Sects revives the Sunnah of the Messenger in their act of worship, behavior and lifestyles. And due to this, they become strangers among their own people, as the Prophet has informed us would happen with his words: "Indeed Islam began as something strange and it will return to being strange as it began. So Toobaa is for the strangers." 9
And in one narration, he said: "So Toobaa 10 is for the strangers those who correct others when the people have become corrupt." 11

6. The Saved Sect does not become fanatical with the words of anyone, except for the words of Allaah and His Messenger, the one protected from sins and who do not speak from his own desire. As for other than him from among mankind, no matter how high his degree may be, then he is prone to error and sin. This is due to the statement of the Messenger: "Everyone of the tribe of Adam sins. And the best of the sinners are the ones who (constantly) make repentance." 12

Imaam Maalik Rahimahullaah said: "There is no one after the Prophet except that you may take and abandon from his statements, except the Prophet."

7. The Saved Sect are the people of Hadeeth, of whom the Prophet said: "There will not cease to be a group from my ummah, dominant upon the truth. The ones who abandon them will not be able to harm them, until the decree of Allaah comes." 13

A poet said: "The people of hadeeth are the people of the Prophet."

8. The Saved Sect honors and respects the Scholars of Islam and they do not go extremities in following anyone among them. Rather, they take the understanding from the Qur'an, the authentic Sunnah and from all of the scholars statements as long as they are in agreement with the authentic narration's and these are in agreement with their words. This is up to the point that they advise those that follow them to take from the authentic texts and to abandon any statement that opposes it.

9. The Saved Sect commands the good and forbids the evil. And so they forbid the evil of the innovator and the destructive groups that divide the ummah and innovate into the religion and into the Sunnah of the Messenger and his companions.

10. The Saved Sect calls the Muslims towards holding fast to the Sunnah of the Messenger and his companions until victory is prescribed for them and enter Paradise by the bounty of Allaah and the intercession of the Messenger after haven been given the authority to do so by Allaah.

11. The Saved Sect declares the evil of the conventional man-made law system which forces mankind to oppose the ruling system of Islam. They call the people to rule by the Book of Allaah which was revealed to aid mankind in this world and the next. And Allaah knows best what is correct for them. His rule is established and does not change through the course of days. And it is correct for the people of all times. There can be no honor for he Muslims except in their return to the studying of Islam, individually or in groups or through the governments, in accordance to Allah's statement: "Verily, Allaah will not change the condition of a people, as long as they do not change it themselves." Surat-ur-Ra'ad [13:11].

12. The Saved Sect calls the Muslims to the Jihaad in the way of Allaah and it is an obligation upon every Muslim who is capable and in the means of doing it. And the Jihaad should be in the following ways:

A. Jihaad with the tongue and the pen. This is done by calling the Muslim as well as others to the correct form of Islam and the Tawheed of Allaah free from any form of Shirk such as that which has become widespread in many of the Muslim lands. And which the Messenger of Allaah informed us would occur admits the Muslims, by his saying: "The Hour will not be established until a tribe from my ummah joins the polytheists and until a tribe from my ummah worship idols." 14

B. Jihaad with the wealth. This is done by giving money for the spreading of Islam and the publication of books of Da'wah calling towards the correct views. It should be done by the distribution of wealth to the authors who will then assists those, whose hearts are from among the weakest of Muslims so that it may strengthen them. It should be done by the manufacturing and the purchasing of weapons and equipment for the Mujaahideen (those who fight for the sake of Islam), and other necessary things such as food, clothing and things of that sort.

C. Jihaad with the body. This is done by fighting and joining in the battlefield for the purpose of giving victory to Islam, so the words of Allaah can be raised high, and so the words of the disbelievers can be put low. The Messenger has indicated these types of Jihaad, in His statement: "Wage Jihaad (fight/struggle) against the polytheists with your wealth, yourselves and your tongues." 15
The Signs Of The Saved Sect

1. The Saved Sect are the fewest among people. The Messenger supplicated for them with this statement: "Toobaa is for the stranger: A people who rectify (themselves and others) among people who are in much evil. Those who disobey them are greater in number than those who obey them." 16

The Glorious Qur'an has informed us of them. Allaah, praising them, Says: "But few of My slaves are grateful." Surah Saba' [34:13].

2. The Saved Sect are the ones who a majority of the people hold as enemies. They are trodden upon and insulted by being given bad names. Consequently, they take the example of the Prophet of whom Allaah has spoken about, when He said: "And so We have appointed for every Prophet enemies; shayaateen (devils) among mankind and jinn, inspiring one another with adorned speech as a delusion." Surat-ul-Ana'aam [6:112].

And this was the case with our Messenger. His people would call him a "magician" and a "liar" when he would call them to worship and believe in only Allaah, even though, before that they used to call him the "truthful" and the "trustworthy".

3. Shaikh 'Abdul 'Azeez Bin Baaz Rahimahullaah was asked concerning the Saved Sect, so he responded: "They are the Salafiyoon and everyone who follow the footsteps of the Salaf-us_Saalih (The pious predecessors; the Prophet his companions and everyone who follows their methodology)."

These are some of the methodologies and signs of the Saved Sect, I will talk some more, in later chapters of this book, on the Aqeedah (belief/creed) of the Saved Sect, who are also known as the Victorious Group, so that we may be upon their Aqeedah, if Allaah wills.
Who Is The Victorious Group?

1. The Messenger of Allaah said: "There will not cease to be a group from my ummah dominant upon the truth. Those who abandon them will not be able to harm them until the Decree of Allah comes." 17

And he said: "If the people of Shaam become corrupt, then there is no good in them. And there will not cease to be a group from my ummah that will be victorious. Those who abandon them will not be able to harm them, until the Hour is established." 18

2. Ibn Al-Mubaarak Rahimahullaah said: "To me, they are Ashaab-ul-hadeeth." 19

3. Al-Bukhaaree Rahimahullaah reported that 'Alee Ibn Al-Madeenee said: "They are Ashaab-ul-hadeeth."

4. And Ahmad Ibn Hanbal Rahimahullaah said: "If the victorious group is not the Ashaab-ul-hadeeth, then I do not who they are."

5. Imaam Ash-Shaaf'iee Rahimahullaah said that Ahmad Ibn Hanbal gave a speech and said: "You are more knowledgeable of hadeeth than I am. So if a hadeeth comes to you, that is authentic, then inform me of it until that becomes my opinion, regardless of whether it be from Hijaaz, Koofah or Basrah.".

1. Shaikh Muhammad Ibn Jameel Zainoo is one of the contemporary scholars of Islaam. A student of Shaikh Al-Albaanee Rahimahullaah, he has written many valuable works on Islaam. This article is taken from a book containing a collection of short essays written by him which entitled "Essays on Islaamic Issues." Another group of his essays from this book have been translated into English and collected in a book entitled "The Pillars of Iman and Islaam" published by Maktaba Dar As-Salam. This present article has been translated by Ibn Al-Arkaan.

2. An authentic hadeeth reported by Abu Dawood and others.

3. A hasan hadeeth recorded by Imaam Ahmad and others.

4. Sunan At-Tirmidhee; It was declared hasan by Shaikh Al-Albaanee in Saheeh Al-Jaami': no 5219.

5. Surat-ul-Ana'aam [3:153].

6. An authentic hadeeth recorded by Ahmad and An-Nasaa'ee.

7. Al-Ghunyah.

8. Al-Albaanee has authenticated this hadeeth in Saheeh Al-Jaami'.

9. Saheeh Muslim.

10. It is said that Toobaa means something good. Allaah mentions this word in Surat-ur-Ra'ad of His final revelation " Those who believe and do righteous deeds, Toobaa is for them and a pleasant destination." Commenting on this ayah, Ibraaheem An-Nakha'ee said that it means good is for them. Qatadah said: "When a man says Toobaa for you it means you have attained something good. "Ikrimah and Mujaahid say that Toobaa means Paradise. It is also said that Toobaa is a tree in Paradise which the Prophet spoke of when he said: "Verily, there is a tree in Paradise under the shadow of which a rider can travel for a hundred years without covering (the distance) completely." [Saheeh Muslim]

11. Reported by Ad-Daanee and Al-Albaanee said it was saheeh.

12. A hasan hadeeth reported by Imaam Ahmad.

13. Saheeh Muslim.

14. An authentic hadeeth reported by Abu Dawood and its meaning can be found in Saheeh Muslim.

15. Related by Abu Dawood and it is saheeh.

16. A saheeh hadeeth reported by Imaam Ahmad

17. Saheeh Muslim.

18. Recorded by Ahmad and it is saheeh

19. What is meant by Ashaab-ul-hadeeth are those who stick meticulously to the narration's and the text of the Qur'an and the Sunnah. It does not refer to, as some might think, a people who restrict themselves to hadeeth only. Rather, Allaah calls His Qur'an by the word hadeeth in numerous ayaat in the Last Revelation (see 77:50, 52:34 and 45:6) Therefore the term Ashab-ul-Hadeeth, as known to the scholars of the past and present, referred to the Muslims who clung onto the text of the Qur'an and the Sunnah. It also refers to the scholars of hadeeth; those who study the science of hadeeth.

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Here are some starter readings for you from a former bohra turned to "salafi" type:
http://www.islamhelpline.net/category/s ... -community


for a detailed technical rebuttal you can visit:
http://www.schiiten.com/backup/AhlelBay ... index.html

i liked the following quote from the above site:
The Ahlel Bayt were never Shia, but rather were always part of the mainstream Islam. How could the Ahlel Bayt be Shia when Allah said in the Quran:

“…and be not amongst those who join gods with Allah, those who split up their Religion, and become shias (sects) - each party rejoicing in that which is with itself.” (Quran, 30:31-32)

The transliteration of the Arabic reads:

“Muneebeena ilayhi waittaqoohu waaqeemoo alssalata wala takoonoo mina almushrikeena. Mina allatheena farraqoo deenahum wakanoo shia an kullu hizbin bima ladayhim farihoona”

In the Nahjul Balagha, one of the most revered books of the Shia, Ali (رضّى الله عنه) said in Sermon 126:

“With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. The best man with regard to me is he who is on the middle course. So be with him and be with the great majority of Muslims because Allah’s hand of protection is on keeping unity. You should beware of division because the one isolated from the group is a prey to Satan just as the one isolated from the flock of sheep is a prey to the wolf. Beware! Whoever calls to this course [of sectarianism], kill him, even though he may be under this headband of mine.”

(Source: Al-Islam.org, http://www.al-islam.org/nahjul/126.htm)

It is truly sad that people have exploited the memory of the Ahlel Bayt in order to schism into various sects, against the Command of Allah. The Ahlel Bayt were Muwahiddoon (Unitarians of Islam) who would never split into sects. The Ahlel Bayt website was designed by the Muwahiddoon as an open invitation to the Shia of the world to reject sectarianism and accept the Islam of the mainstream orthodoxy, the same group to which the Ahlel Bayt belonged to.