Poetry on Maula Ali

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by bohraji » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:13 am

I had requested this thread to be only for the purpose stated.But the particular school of thought could not resist their zeal in pushing their views onto any one who dis agrees with their whims,fancies and thoughts and beliefs.I have requested Admin not to remove or delete but just post the non poetry onto another thread.

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:30 am

I have opened new thread
Poetry on Ali- Shi vs Wahabis

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... f=2&t=7341

I hope further discussion will take place there. May be Admin can transfer non poetry debate to this thread.
Personally I believe it is impossible task.

Br SBM can copy paste relevant posts.

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:31 am

bohraji,

This debate is because of the poetry. There is no need to move or delete any portion of this thread. If the argument becomes too hard to digest stop reading it. Just keep posting your poetry as you have done before. We will do the thinking for you.

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:48 am

Dear Readers Specially Shia brothers

Writing poetry in Love / respect / adoration of Imam Ali is not objectionable at all. But poet or scholars should know well, that any glorification on religious grounds can reach superstitious levels and completely distort from the real objective, be it praising of Imam Ali or securing Tauheed. Such poets or scholars are not so innocent not to understand the implication / affect of their poetry on general masses, who usually don’t / can’t read between the lines.

As humans may be we are tempted or prone to idolize something or the other to give a face to our belief or piety. Anything over the top, exaggeration, excessive glorification shall be avoided.

If at all poets / scholars / readers who enjoy such poetry or over the top exaggeration of Imam Ali’s virtues. Then one of the best way to show our affection is to emulate or try and emulate Imam Ali’s way of life, sincerity and dedication and many virtues.

Not generally speaking, but many a times, we feel glorifying Imam Ali is an act and virtue of piety and we will get Sawaab of being part of it. Why is it difficult to admit a humble respect for Imam Ali rather then loud exaggeration of his existence and gloat over foundation of Shiaism. Infact Shia – Sunni is a schism Imam Ali would have never wanted. He would have been far more content of being united rather then be divided on his name. Such is the sad irony of his followers
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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:54 am

The shia problem, which prevents them from uniting with the rest of the muslims is that their faith has an element of hatred which is inseparable. Shia faith is incomplete without the hatred towards the first three khalifas of Islam and the wives of the prophet (saw). This, inspite of the fact that these people have been honored in the Quran by Allah himself. On the one side they have extreme hatred (ready to provide themselves as fuel for hell fire) and on the other side they have "extreme love" such that Ali becomes Khuda, a child of Allah and what not Astagfirullah. So they are in a pretty sticky situation. I hope they can see the light before it is too late.

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by bohraji » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:26 pm

Dear Anajmi,
History has shown us very well as to who has hated whom and I will not dwell on it.It was good of MF to start a new thread so as to keep this thread as to what it is meant for.But you just refuse to understand.And I know you will post another rebuttal on this so that you can see your name in print,But I will not respond to it as I want to post poetry on this thread only.You want to be judge and jury by telling Admin that there is no need to move any discussions.So be it,Admin should remove DB word from this site.

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:30 pm

bohraji,

No need to look at history. Just look at the poetry posted on this thread and you will know where the hatred lies. You want to keep posting poetry, but you refuse to understand what it is that you are posting. The only understanding of Islam you have is the blasphemous poetry written for Hazrat Ali and that is truly a pity. Even after explaining this in dozens of posts, you still fail to understand. Keep posting your poetry.

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:59 pm

humanbeing wrote:Infact Shia – Sunni is a schism Imam Ali would have never wanted. He would have been far more content of being united rather then be divided on his name. Such is the sad irony of his followers
Well said, bro humanbeing.

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by sixfeetunder » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:33 am

porus wrote:
sixfeetunder wrote: I reckoned you were talking about Hazrat Ali (a.s) and not the Prophet (s.a.w). Yes, two of them were his father-in-laws. So what? Does being father-in-laws denote merit? Aisha was his wife. Does that denote merit? Many Prophets of the past had wives and sons unfaithful to them.

And his two daughters were not his daughters. They were Khadija's (a.s) sister's daughters, adopted by the Prophet and Khadija (a.s). There is ample evidence from Shii sources regarding that.
Abu Bakr was Prophet's father-in-law. He married Aaisha, daughter of Abu Bakr.

Umar was father-in-law of the Prophet. He married Hafsa, daughter of Umar.

Uthman married two of Prophet's daughters. I am not sure if they were Prophet's step-daughters or the daughter's of Khadija's sister. Would you offer evidence?
There is one version that says Khadija (a.s) was a virgin and not 40 years old at the time of marriage to the Prophet (saw). She was as old as the Prophet or a few years older but not 15 years older. According to this version, it was Khadija's sister's daughters who were adopted by her.

Another version says that she was married twice before and the two daughters were from one of those marriages.

I am researching more. Will get back when I find out more.

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by sixfeetunder » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:41 am

When will this hatred end?
anajmi wrote:It will end when Allah wishes it to end. It might be soon or it might be later. I pray for it to end soon.
This is the unfortunate attitude Wahhabis have. Leave everything to Allah. Leave everything to pre-destination. Do what you want and say 'Allah willed so'!

Great! Instead of reforming yourself and purging hatred from your heart, you leave it to Allah to solve the hatred between Muslims. All you do is hypocritically 'pray'. Stop making mischief and pray for forgiveness from Allah for labeling Muslims as kafirs.

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by sixfeetunder » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:50 am

anajmi wrote:
And his two daughters were not his daughters. They were Khadija's (a.s) sister's daughters, adopted by the Prophet and Khadija (a.s). There is ample evidence from Shii sources regarding that.
Shia sources are filled with fiction as well. You can take a look at their shairi to figure that one out. It is pretty easy. We can keep talking about who married whose daughter and even if we do find evidence one way or another, we will say - so what!!! The bottom line is, the prophet (saw) didn't nominate anyone as his successor. The story of how he wanted to nominate Hazrat Ali but wasn't given a pen and a paper is nothing more than fabulous fiction. He had 23 years to nominate his successor didn't he? Ofcourse, the shia will then say he did nominate his successor on Ghadeer Khum. Well, if he did, then why did he need pen and paper?

Besides, the companions and the wives of the prophet (saw) have been honored in the Quran including Hazrat Abu Bakr and Hazrat Aisha. No amount of shia sources and their works is going to change that!! This is the reason for the jealousy of the shia with the first three khalifas. This is the reason why the elevate Hazrat Ali to the status of divinity through their shairi. Hatred and Jealousy are a part and parcel of the shia faith.
The 'fabulous fiction' is present in more Sunni books you can ever imagine, with strong chain of narrators. What is not palatable to your imagined history becomes fabulous fiction. As for pen and paper, it is mandatory in Islam to make a will. The Prophet himself encouraged written word and even for transactions, he advised Muslims to make documents. A documented will would have made the spoken word literal. As simple as that.

The companions and wives have been rebuked in the Quran as well as in numerous Ahadith. Aisha has been specifically rebuked by Allah twice in the Quran.

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by Muslim First » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:51 am

Great! Instead of reforming yourself and purging hatred from your heart, you leave it to Allah to solve the hatred between Muslims. All you do is hypocritically 'pray'. Stop making mischief and pray for forgiveness from Allah for labeling Muslims as kafirs.
Same question for Shi Ummah
When will the hatred end?
I am waiting for proof of Prophet's other daughters. Were they Prophets daughters or somebody else's?

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by sixfeetunder » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:11 am

anajmi wrote:By the way, Ahlul Bayt as per 33:33 in the Quran, are the wives of the prophet (saw). THe backbone of the shia faith is an erroneous interpretation of the Quran!!
Since you have not understood the verse and whom it refers to, you have erroneously included wives, to make all well between the Ahlul bayt and wives. A good way to safeguard Aisha for The Battle of Jamal. Well, if 33:33 includes wives, why is the 'pure' fighting the 'pure' in Jamal? Does Allah not know the future and what he's revealing to the Prophet?

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by sixfeetunder » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:32 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
sixfeetunder wrote:As for Wahhabis and terrorism, I am simply calling a spade a spade. It is true that almost all terrorists are wahhabis.
Bro sixfeetunder,

There is no denial that there are many terrorist organisations having wahabi mentality but at the same time you cannot deny the fact that there are way many shia terrorist groups like hezbullah, Mahdi Army, Imam Hussain Brigade etc to name a few. For more you can google. Hence please do not be biased and in your own words call 'a spade a spade'. In fact if you calculate the numbers then you will find more shia terrorists in ratio to their population which is 15% of the total muslim population worldwide.

As regards the khilafat, it is a highly controversial issue as both sides have numerous hadiths to prove their point, however many hadiths are also highly suspect. Hence we should not pick and chose as per our ideology but view it in an unbiased manner. There are also many shia hadiths attributed to Mola Ali (a.s.) wherein he praises all the 3 khalifas.
Bro GM,

Do the Shii terrorist organisations you have named, kill innocent women and children? Do they commit suicide bombings and plant bombs on trains, buses and shopping malls? Do they plan attacks like Al Qaeda and Taliban? Who does Hezbollah fight against? Do they spread terror?

If the answer is yes, then I condemn anyone who 'spreads terror', Wahhabi, Shia, Sunni, Sufi or Bohri. Also, there is a difference between terrorists and revolutionaries/freedom fighters. A revolutionary or freedom fighter will never kill innocents and spread terror. That is the benchmark I use.

As for Shia ahadith which shows Ali (as) praising the shaikheen, they could obviously be fabricated ones. Shia don't have 'sahih' collections.

If you properly study early Islamic history, you won't entertain such ahadith because they go against common sense and logic. Umar and Uthman would come to Ali (a.s) to ask for advice and solutions to problems they were unequipped to solve. They would praise Ali (a.s) for the help offered. There are so many incidents where these two could not solve simple things and needed Ali's help. If you read the incidents which are present in Sunni sahih books, you will know that these two didn't have proper knowledge of Quran and ahadith. And you tell me to believe that Ali (a.s) praised these people, who didn't even know the Qur'an and ahadith!

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by sixfeetunder » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:48 am

JC wrote:If 123,999 Prophets did not niminate successors and there is no concept of Lineage (Imamat) that why would the Last Prophet do that?? Is not that logical then Prophet Adam whould have nominated a successor and the lineage would have continued till Qayamat?? Indeed God did not want that to happen. AND if God wanted Lineage from Mohammad why He did not let his son live?? Or it is that God wanted Lineage from Ali?? But why would God want that?? I mean if He wanted a lineage, He could have made Ali a prophet and hence would have lineage. In current situation in Lineage is from Ali, then does it make him superior to any Prophet??

It is just that Ali has been made a symbol or tool for use to grab power, powers of all sorts. It is that Non-Muslims use him to Divide and Rule.

May God Bless Ali..!!
You information is erroneous. Every Prophet had a vicegerent, heir and successor appointed by Allah. There are plenty ahadith to show that Prophets in the past had successors.

According to all Islamic and non-Islamic history reference books, all Prophets from Prophet Adam (A.S.) to Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) had successors. Adam’s successor was “Hebtallah” in Arabic or “Seth” in Hebrew. The Successor of Abraham was “Ishmael”. Jacob’s successor was “Joseph”. Moses’ successor was “Joshua” whom Moses’ wife revolted against. Also Jesus’ successor was “Simon Peter”

For more information, read: http://www.imamreza.net/eng/imamreza.php?id=5173

Lineage can be from a son or a daughter. It is a male-chauvinist thinking that only a son can provide lineage. Allah (swt) continued Muhammad's (saw) lineage through Fatima (a.s).

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by sixfeetunder » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:04 am

anajmi wrote:Here is something that sixfeetunder said earlier
I also acknowledge that many Shias glorify the Ahlul Bayt to an unrealistic degree.
Now, here are some of the scenes of the day of judgement as mentioned in the Quran.

A pregnant woman will drop her pregnancy. A breast feeding woman will abandon her child. No friend will ask about his friend. People will try to ransome themselves from the punishment at the price of their own children. Many more of these scenarios are explained. Why is everyone so panicky? Because of the fear of the fire of hell. Without exception every one will be scared shitless. Now listen to this shairi by sixfeetunder who talks about "unrealistic degree"

"Ghalib, mai-nosh honay par gar Jannat na ja sakoon,
Hasrat yehi hai kay baad-e-marg kuch kaam aa sakoon;
Eendhan bana dey mujh ko Jahannum ka, aye Khuda,
Har dushman-e-Ali (A.S) ka kalaija jalaa sakoon."


Allah says everyone will be scared to the greatest degree possible, and our shia brothers will be going to hell fire to burn the wahhabi terrorists!!

You really know how to twist and manipulate, don't you? If you can read the shaayri again, it says that after the fate has been sealed and there is NO CHANCE of going to paradise... would he prefer to become the coal of hell and burn the hell-dwellers who were enemies of Islam. Enemies of Ali (a.s) are obviously enemies of Islam. I understand it that way but you see Ali (a.s) as an idol and hence you interpret it as per your fancy and conclude that I am an idol-worshiper!

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by anajmi » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:31 am

As for pen and paper, it is mandatory in Islam to make a will. The Prophet himself encouraged written word and even for transactions, he advised Muslims to make documents. A documented will would have made the spoken word literal. As simple as that.
Did the prophet (saw) advise Muslims to make documents before or after he himself decided to make a document on his death bed?
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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by anajmi » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:34 am

it says that after the fate has been sealed and there is NO CHANCE of going to paradise
Ok. So this guy is a sinner who is destined for hell writing poetry for Hazrat Ali and people like you are repeating this poetry. Nice!!!

Besides, while we are alive, we plan to get into heaven and not figure out what to do if we went into hell. Or, this poet knows where he is going to be already.

And if there is NO CHANCE of you going to paradise, you think Allah is going to grant you your wishes? You are a freaking sinner with no chance of going to paradise. You deserve to burn in hell along with the wahhabi terrorists!!
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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by anajmi » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:48 am

The companions and wives have been rebuked in the Quran as well as in numerous Ahadith. Aisha has been specifically rebuked by Allah twice in the Quran.
Yes. They have been rebuked in the Quran. Even the prophet (saw) has been rebuked in the Quran and not just in Surah Abasa.
Well, if 33:33 includes wives, why is the 'pure' fighting the 'pure' in Jamal?
33:33 includes the wives of the prophet (saw) and the prophet (saw) himself. No one else. Hazrat Ali was added to the purified Ahlul Bayt, later by the prophet (saw). Besides, why does being pure prevent you from fighting with that which you think is wrong? Hazrat Ali fought Hazrat Aisha becaue he thought she was wrong, and Hazrat Aisha fought Hazrat Ali because she thought he was wrong. Simple. Might be hard for idol worshippers to digest that, but that is the truth!!

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by anajmi » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:26 am

You information is erroneous. Every Prophet had a vicegerent, heir and successor appointed by Allah. There are plenty ahadith to show that Prophets in the past had successors.
This is nothing more than an after thought created to justify the position of Hazrat Ali created by the Shia. Ismaeel (as) was not a successor of Ebrahim (as). He was a prophet (saw) just as his father was. He didn't inherit prophethood. There is nothing in the Quran which supports the inheritance of prophethood as a rule. Musa (as) appointed Harun simply as a caretaker and not an heir. The reason is that prophethood is not a kingdom as purposely misinterpreted by the Shia. Prophethood is a great responsibility for which the prophet's will have to answer on the day of judgement. It is not their jaagir that they can pass onto their kith and kin.

Another thing, Hazrat Ali was not a prophet. He is the beginning of something entirely different according to the Shia. He is the beginning of Imamat. This concept has no place in the Quran.

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:49 pm

sixfeetunder wrote:Do the Shii terrorist organisations you have named, kill innocent women and children? Do they commit suicide bombings and plant bombs on trains, buses and shopping malls? Do they plan attacks like Al Qaeda and Taliban? Who does Hezbollah fight against? Do they spread terror?
Bro sixfeetunder,

Please dont pretend ignorance ! We all very well know the activities of these organisations and their various splinter groups. They are no better then Al-qaeeda. I can post a long list but this thread is not about that.

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by sixfeetunder » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:08 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
sixfeetunder wrote:Do the Shii terrorist organisations you have named, kill innocent women and children? Do they commit suicide bombings and plant bombs on trains, buses and shopping malls? Do they plan attacks like Al Qaeda and Taliban? Who does Hezbollah fight against? Do they spread terror?
Bro sixfeetunder,

Please dont pretend ignorance ! We all very well know the activities of these organisations and their various splinter groups. They are no better then Al-qaeeda. I can post a long list but this thread is not about that.
I have already stated that if they are causing terror and murder of innocent men women and children, they should be condemned harshly no matter what their sect is. Also, I am not pretending ignorance. I really do not know about the terrorist activities you are talking about. I shall find out more, since you are insisting so much! Wahhabi terrorists rule the roost. There is no denying that! Two wrongs do not make a right. It is true that Wahhabis have shamed Muslims all around the world with their fanaticism and violence.

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:39 am

sixfeetunder
I am not sure the name of the group but in Pakistan there were two groups one representing Sunni and other was Shia both banned in Pakistan and
declared as Terrorist groups worldwide. One was Laskhar-e-Janghvi and the other was Siph-e-Shaba or Laskher- Tayabba. I know one of them was a Shia group involved in many killings in Pakistan. Ask a Pakistani and he can tell you more about it

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by porus » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:22 am

Shia and Sunni at each other's throats.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/13/world/mea ... hpt=hp_bn2

O, that is quite normal. That is the message of Islam. Quran says there should be no sects.

Shia: Yes, we agree. Sunnis are a sect, evil one at that, bent on destroying the Umma and Islam. That is why we cleanse Islam by killing them at every opportunity.

Sunni: Yes, we agree. Shia are a sect, evil one at that, bent on destroying the Umma and Islam. That is why we cleanse Islam by killing them at every opportunity.

This is the way of the Religion of Peace, the most attractive religion the world has ever seen. That is why everyone wants to become a Muslim. God Himself has said he wants no other religion except Islam. You know the one? That in which sects are formed and every sect continually sheds blood of other sects.

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by humble_servant_us » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:07 am

Shia: Yes, we agree. Sunnis are a sect, evil one at that, bent on destroying the Umma and Islam. That is why we cleanse Islam by killing them at every opportunity.
We do not believe in killing any innocent being in the name of Islam. Ahlul-bait(as) and their followers have always been oppressed in history. You are just trying to generalize things.


SBM
Both the groups you have named are not shias.

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by porus » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:40 am

humble_servant_us wrote:
We (Shia) do not believe in killing any innocent being in the name of Islam.
Don't Sunnis say the same thing?

What would you do if Sunnis continually attack you violently in the name of Islam?. On this board, we have anajmi, Muslim First and the new Wahhabi dupe, ali abbas attacking Shia continually for their beliefs. They leave others of their coreligionists to perpetrate violence against them. Not a fatwa, not a government condemnation, nothing. I would dearly love for Muslim First to go on television in Iraq and condemn their Sunni brethren for this violence. He won't do it because the same fear that drives a Bohra capitualation of Kothari exploitation, drives him too.

Next time a Shia suicide bombing atrocity is committed, you will wait for ever for condemnation from Shia elders.

Religion of peace, indeed.

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:30 am

I would dearly love for Muslim First to go on television in Iraq and condemn their Sunni brethren for this violence.
I would love to do that. Any platform I can get for condeming the killing of innocents in the name of religion, I will use. I am currently trying to become some kind of a celebrity so that I can get a chance to go on television in Iraq. If I am a nobody shouting on Iraqi television, I might be thrown into the looney bin.

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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:46 pm

humble_servant_us wrote:
Shia: Yes, we agree. Sunnis are a sect, evil one at that, bent on destroying the Umma and Islam. That is why we cleanse Islam by killing them at every opportunity.
We do not believe in killing any innocent being in the name of Islam. Ahlul-bait(as) and their followers have always been oppressed in history. You are just trying to generalize things.


SBM
Both the groups you have named are not shias.
Sipah-e-Muhammad Pakistan (Urdu: سپاہ محمد پاکستان, Sipah-e-Mohammed Pakistan, Sipah-e-Muhammad; English: Soldiers of Muhammad) is a Shi'a militant group formed in the early 1990s (the exact date of formation is unclear) as a response to sectarian violence against Pakistani Shia' orchestrated by militant Sunni movements such as Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ). On August 14, 2001, it was banned by President Pervez Musharraf as a "terrorist" organisation.

The movement was strong in various Shi'a communities in Pakistan, and in the majority Shi'a town of Thokar Niaz Beg ran a "virtual state within a state" in the 1990s.

Sipah-e-Muhammad is thought to have ties with the Iranian regime, and to an extent, both it and Sipah-e-Sahaba are seen as attempts by, respectively, the Iranian and Saudi Arabian governments to assert influence in Pakistan

The Government of Pakistan designated the Sipah-e-Muhammad a terrorist organization, and it is classified as a Foreign Terrorist Organization under U.S. law.[6] As a result, its finances are blocked worldwide by the U.S government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sipah-e-Muhammad_Pakistan

Tehreek-e-Jaferia Pakistan (TJP) meaning 'movement of the followers of Fiqah-e-Jaferia’, the dominant Shia outfit in Pakistan was formed in 1992. The origin of TJP can be traced to the Tehreek Nifaz Fiqah-e-Jafria (TNFJ) meaning ‘movement for the implementation of Fiqah-e-Jafreia' (a school of Islamic jurisprudence which is traced back to its founder Imam Jafar Sadiq) which was formed in 1979 to protect the interests of the Shiite minority and to spread the ideas of Ayatollah Khomeini, the Iranian leader who led the successful Islamic Revolution that overthrew the Shah of Iran in 1979. It is widely believed that the Sunni clergy considered the name of Tehreek Nifaz-e-Fiqah-e-Jaferia as being offensive and opposed the Shias, a minority sect demanding the imposition of their fiqah (a school of Islamic jurisprudence) in a Sunni majority Pakistan. Following this backlash, the Shia leadership is reported to have changed the name from TNFJ to Tehreek-e-Jaferia Pakistan (TJP) in 1994.

The TJP is reported to have links with the Iranian clergy. The outfit source its finances from the Shiite community in Pakistan, Iran as well as certain commercial groups.

The TJP has several affiliated organisations, including Sipah-e-Abbas, Sipah-e-Ahl-Bait and youth bodies like the Imamia Students Organisation and the Imamia Organisation, which are reported to play an active role. Since 1994, the Sipah-e-Muhammad Pakistan (SMP), a splinter group of the TJP with a significant following in Jhang has emerged as a prominent Shia terrorist outfit involved in anti-SSP campaigns, violence and target killings. The TJP is one of the five outfits that have been proscribed by President Pervez Musharraf on January 12, 2002.

To counter the Sunni militancy, the Shias formed Sipah-e-Muhammad Pakistan (SMP) in 1993. It is generally believed that Maulana Mureed Abbas Yazdani created it in 1993 after he was convinced that the TJP would not allow its young cadres to physically counter the SSP.Subsequently, the Sipah-e-Muhammad Pakistan (SMP), headquartered at Thokar Niaz Beg, was created out of the TJP reportedly by Maulana Mureed Abbas Yazdani in 1993 and it adopted a more militant stance against the SSP than the TJP would allow.

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sixfeetunder
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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

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Unread post by sixfeetunder » Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:10 am

anajmi wrote:
The companions and wives have been rebuked in the Quran as well as in numerous Ahadith. Aisha has been specifically rebuked by Allah twice in the Quran.
Yes. They have been rebuked in the Quran. Even the prophet (saw) has been rebuked in the Quran and not just in Surah Abasa.
Well, if 33:33 includes wives, why is the 'pure' fighting the 'pure' in Jamal?
33:33 includes the wives of the prophet (saw) and the prophet (saw) himself. No one else. Hazrat Ali was added to the purified Ahlul Bayt, later by the prophet (saw). Besides, why does being pure prevent you from fighting with that which you think is wrong? Hazrat Ali fought Hazrat Aisha becaue he thought she was wrong, and Hazrat Aisha fought Hazrat Ali because she thought he was wrong. Simple. Might be hard for idol worshippers to digest that, but that is the truth!!
Those who refused to recognize Abu Bakr's caliphate and refused to pay tax to his government (including the prominent companion Malik ibn Nuwayrah), were labelled renegades and apostates and eliminated by his army in the 'Riddah wars'. Note that Abu Bakr was nominated as Caliph by only a handful of people.

Now, going by the same yardstick, those who rebelled against Ali (a.s) (who was nominated by a large number of people, including majority of Medina'ites and prominent companions of the Prophet), should also be considered as rebels and renegades. Why the double standards?

humble_servant_us
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Re: Poetry on Maula Ali

#180

Unread post by humble_servant_us » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:21 am

Hazrat Ali fought Hazrat Aisha becaue he thought she was wrong, and Hazrat Aisha fought Hazrat Ali because she thought he was wrong
Ali is with the Qur'an and the Qur'an is with 'Ali, the two shall not separate until the meet me at the Fountain of Kauthar
Kanz ul Ummal hadith number 32912

"'Ali is with the Truth and the Truth is with 'Ali"
Kanz ul Ummal hadith number 33018

"Oh Allah, turn the truth in whichever direction 'Ali turns"
al Mustadrak, Vol. 3, Page 124

Both Ali(as) and Hz. Ayesha cannot be right at the same time. Either both are wrong or one is right. By the prophet(pbuh) Truth is with ali(as), so it leaves the party opposing/fighting Ali(as) on the wrong side.