Bukhari - some interesting Hadith he collected

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Bukhari - some interesting Hadith he collected

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Unread post by Sajauddin_Bagwala » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:43 am

(I)
Chapter 15 The two festivals (Eids), #69: Narrated 'Abdullah bin Umar: Umar bought a silk cloak from the market, took it to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Take it and adorn yourself with it during the 'Id and when the delegations visit you." Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) replied, "This dress is for those who have no share (in the Hereafter)." After a long period Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) sent to Umar a cloak of silk brocade. Umar came to Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) with the cloak and said, "O Allah's Apostle! You said that this dress was for those who had no share (in the Hereafter); yet you have sent me this cloak." Allah's Apostle said to him, "Sell it and fulfill your needs by it."


Observation:
1. Hazrat Umar had no or defected knowledge of Halal and Haram wearable clothes for men? Can he rightly guide Muslims when he himself is not rightly guided?
2. Has not he wasted his money?
3. When one accept a gift then the receiver become owner of the gift. Hazrat Mohammed PBUH denied & rejected Hz. Umar gift so Hz. Umar remained the owner of that Silk cloak - Hz. Mohammed PBUH said about owners of such silk cloak, "This dress is for those who have no share (in the Hereafter)"!!!

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:01 am

Those who are taught to dislike certain personalities will try to analyse every Ahadith with their jaundiced lense.

Hz Umar is dead and is responsible for his deeds.

Those (including poster) who are part of Fitna Inc. will never rest since they have to prove they are right.

Poster should spend time in Islamic study of Ahadith.

It is Ramadan and holy month. Poster has nothing to do?

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:05 am

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Unread post by Sajauddin_Bagwala » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:12 am

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Chapter 15 The two festivals (Eids), #70: Narrated Aisha: Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) came to my house while two girls were singing beside me the songs of Buath. The Prophet (p.b.u.h) lay down and turned his face to the other side. Then Abu Bakr came and spoke to me harshly saying, "Musical instruments of Satan near the Prophet (p.b.u.h) ?"
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Chapter 15 The two festivals (Eids), #72: Narrated Aisha: Abu Bakr came to my house while two small Ansari girls were singing beside me the stories of the Ansar concerning the Day of Buath. And they were not singers. Abu Bakr said protestingly, "Musical instruments of Satan in the house of Allah's Apostle !" It happened on the 'Id day and Allah's Apostle said, "O Abu Bakr! There is an 'Id for every nation and this is our 'Id."
Observation:
Hz. Aisha was enjoying singing/musical instruments - the act which his father Hz. Abu Bakr categorize as "Satanic" and Hz. Mohammed PBUH turned his face away!!!

What will the state of morale of that person who relish with satanic tools???

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Unread post by Sajauddin_Bagwala » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:53 am

III)
Sahih Bukhari, Chapter 32, Praying at night in Ramdaan (Taraweeh), #227: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever prayed at night the whole month of Ramadan out of sincere Faith and hoping for a reward from Allah, then all his previous sins will be forgiven." Ibn Shihab (a sub-narrator) said, "Allah's Apostle died and the people continued observing that (i.e. Nawafil offered individually, not in congregation), and it remained as it was during the Caliphate of Abu Bakr and in the early days of 'Umar's Caliphate." 'Abdur Rahman bin 'Abdul Qari said, "I went out in the company of 'Umar bin Al-Khattab one night in Ramadan to the mosque and found the people praying in different groups. A man praying alone or a man praying with a little group behind him. So, 'Umar said, 'In my opinion I would better collect these (people) under the leadership of one Qari (Reciter) (i.e. let them pray in congregation!)'. So, he made up his mind to congregate them behind Ubai bin Ka'b. Then on another night I went again in his company and the people were praying behind their reciter. On that, 'Umar remarked, 'What an excellent Bid'a (i.e. innovation in religion) this is; but the prayer which they do not perform, but sleep at its time is better than the one they are offering.' He meant the prayer in the last part of the night. (In those days) people used to pray in the early part of the night."
Observation:

Hz. Umar invented new thing in Shariyat opposite to established practice of Hz. Mohammed PBUH!!!

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:12 am

Sajauddin_Bagwala wrote: Observation:
1. Hazrat Umar had no or defected knowledge of Halal and Haram wearable clothes for men? Can he rightly guide Muslims when he himself is not rightly guided?
2. Has not he wasted his money?
SB
Lame observation !
Are we all born with knowledge out of our mother’s womb !
Each and every men in that era were learning and delearning with advent of Islam, this includes Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself. It took 23 years for Quran to be revealed !
So grow up !

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:15 am

Sajauddin_Bagwala wrote:Observation:
Hz. Aisha was enjoying singing/musical instruments - the act which his father Hz. Abu Bakr categorize as "Satanic" and Hz. Mohammed PBUH turned his face away!!!
What will the state of morale of that person who relish with satanic tools???
SB
Observation !
What do you say about the morale of Bohra Scout who use various instruments to celebrate Salgirah Mubarak !

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Unread post by Sajauddin_Bagwala » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:52 am

humanbeing wrote:
Sajauddin_Bagwala wrote: Observation:
1. Hazrat Umar had no or defected knowledge of Halal and Haram wearable clothes for men? Can he rightly guide Muslims when he himself is not rightly guided?
2. Has not he wasted his money?
SB
Lame observation !
Are we all born with knowledge out of our mother’s womb !
Each and every men in that era were learning and delearning with advent of Islam, this includes Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself. It took 23 years for Quran to be revealed !
So grow up !
HB

Are we and Hz. Mohammed PBUH same? In your zeal to show Bohra's down you overstepped Nabi sahib as well! Prove if ever Nabi sahib committed any error or mistake? Quote only daawat books. The point to observe is: Hz. Abu Bakr was not rightly guided he made mistakes as acknowledged by Bukhari. Where else Hz. Ali AS never committed any mistakes - prove if you can? It is challenge.

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:18 am

Your dawat books were written by falalble human books just like ahadith collected by falalble human

The have no value to majority of Muslims

It is good for your pristine half Hindu religio

Now go and do gaal lotaw

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:58 pm

Sajauddin_Bagwala wrote: In your zeal to show Bohra's down you overstepped Nabi sahib as well!
It is your misguided zeal that you are seeing everything from eyes of hatred. I for one, respect Prophet Muhammad for his honesty to learn rather then show pompous arrogance of knowing all.
Sajauddin_Bagwala wrote: Prove if ever Nabi sahib committed any error or mistake?
I don’t have to prove anything ! Not knowing a concept till it is revealed is not an error or mistake.

Read history of Islam through common sense, not fairytales dished out by kothar. It was humbleness and modesty of Prophet to learn Islam and De-learn paganism, that made Islam prosper. It took 23 years of remaining life of Prophet and a lifetime for people to learn islam.

In your zeal and blind hatred you are not even reading my post in the context, you are just hell bent on proving this and that one wrong.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:59 pm

Excerpt of an article found on the internet :-

I've been a student of Hadeeth literature for more than three years . Analytically , critically and subjectively reading, material called the " Sahih books " and also the four books of the Shi'i sect including the Nahajal Balagha . This sectarian view among the Muslims arises from opinions , gathered from books other than the Qur'an .

I've been searching for answers for a little more than two and half decades , then came across some material from Al-Azhar university Cairo . This person is the Deen or head of the university , in correspondence with another stalwart Alim . The first question this Stalwart Alim asks the Deen is " - The first generations of Muslims did not follow the Sunni Imams that is the Four imams of the Sunni sect . (2) the doors of Ijthehad were open among the Muslims and their rulers , why were they closed. Other then the Qurani'c concept , man made opinions were made compulsory ?

The messenger of Allah passed away in eleven Hijri. ( 11th Hijra )

a) Abu Hanifa ( no proper name , only father of Hanifa ) born in 80AH died in 150 AH.

b) Imam malik , born in 95AH died in 169 AH .

c) Imam Shafii born in 150 AH died in 204 AH .

d) Imam ibn Hanbal ( no name father , son of Hanbal ) born in 164 AH died in 241 AH .

then comes the supreme clergy of Arabia , from whom the supreme Muttawa bin baaz took inspiration . Ashari born in 270 AH died in 302 AH . The first three generations of early Muslims did not follow these four Imams , they followed the Taabin and tabe-taabin .

Then comes the era of the Six great collectors and compilers of Hadith literature .

*) Imam Bukhari ( Mohammed ibn Ismail Bukhari from Bukhara then Faras (Persia ) = Iran now .

*) Imam Muslim ( Muslim ibn al Hijjaj al Qushyasi from Nishapur Iran ( Faras )

*) Imam Tirmizi from the city of Tarmind = Faras , Iran .

*)Imam abu Dawud ( no name - only father of ) from the city of seestan =Iran then Faras.

*) Ibn -e - Maaja ( no name - only son of ) from Qizween =Iran then Faras .

*) Imam Abdur Rahman Nasssi from Nassa ,Khuransan = Faras .

One will observe , none of these persons are of Arab origin . Then comes the surprising aspect of all , Imam Bukhari himself claims , that at the age of mere TEN he set out to collect and compile traditions of the holy prophet .

Then he adds one more interesting aspect to it.

He claims , for every tradition he heard he required two witness , then he would perform ablution , pray two raka nafil Namaz then make note of these traditions .( sayings of the prophet) In his own words , he collected more than Eight lakh traditions ! He then sat down to SIFT them , thereby discarding more than eight lakh traditions , presumably claiming six thousand Hadiths as authentic , out of which two thousand are repetitions , that means only four thousand are firm and authentic . So also the five others .

By what manner of measurement or judgement Bukhari discarded eight lakh traditions remain a mystery ? ( in his own word : if one rejects , even one tradition of the prophet ceases to be a Muslim ) Was it to imply that he was not ?

Now comes the real eye opener : who and where were the sources for these six imams ?

According to this correspondence from the head of Al-Azhar university , Cairo ,Sunni Alim Shaykh Salim al-Bishri , says ,The other Alim with whom he corresponded claims , these six Imams never travelled to Arabia nor Medina but to Kufah now part of Iraq , which then was a Satellite town of the Zoroastrian Persian ( Faras ), which had not forgiven the messenger of Islam nor the Arabs for destroying their ancient Zoroastrian Persian culture . Persia Now Iran was then a world power. Neither the Jews forgave , for being driven out of Medina and Khyber .

The soil of Kufah was then the hot bed of the Khariji people ( hypocrites ) who would claim to have become Muslims for opportunities then renounce that they had become Muslim . They were the first innovators among the Muslims . The apostate among the Muslims had adopted the first name Khariji , then Rafidi and then the first Shia . from wherein the concept of Shi'ism started .

Time now for some real hard facts :the other Alim - Abd al Husayn Sraraf-al Din claims he has a list of more than hundred names of Kufi Shi'i scholars , who were the actual source for the six Imama of Sunna to learn ,collect and compile their traditions from .

Here are some of their names :-

* Aban ibn Taghlib, ibn Riyah : Qari or reciter of the Quran , a disciple of Imam Zain al-Abidin . Muslim writers of Sunna : Abu Dawud , Tirmidhi , Nasai and ibn- Majah have taken traditions for their Sahih .

* Ibrahim ibn Yazid, ibn Amr ibn Aswad ibn amral-Nukhai the Jurist of Kufah .

* Ahmed ibn Mufaddal ibn al Kufi al Hafri .

* Ismail ibn Aban al Azadi al Kufi al Warraq : was a teacher and Shaykh of Bukhari .

* Ismail ibn Zakariya, Khalqani al Kufi : the authors of the six books of Sahih have borrowed his traditions for their books .

* Ismail ibn Abbad, ibn Abbas al Taliqani : he was the vazir under the Abbasid Khalifa Mu'ayid-al-Dawla Wlami . Taliqani being the first shi'i rose to the rank of VAZIR for two reasons , first for being a Shi'i and then belonging to the princely family of the powerful Zoroastrain family the Buwayhiyah family of Persia .

* Ismail ibn Abd al Rahman ibn Karimah the famous commentator known as Al-Suddi : he was the author who severely criticized the first and second Khalifa of Islam .

Tirmidhi , Abu Dawud , ibn maaja and Nasai have taken traditions from him .

* Harith ibn Abdullah al Hamdani :

* Habib ibn Abu Tahbit al asadi al Kahili al Kufi ; the six books of traditions have without restraint borrowed from him even after knowing that he was a stauch Shi'i .

* Al Hasan ibn Hayy whose real name was Salih ibn salih Hamdani :He was a great critic of Uthman.

* Hammad ibn isa al Juhani al kufi : he was assigned an abbreviation Ta Qaf for the numerous times the sunna writers borrowed traditions from him .

* Himran ibn A'yun , an abbreviation was coined for him as Qaf .

* Khalid ibn mukhlad al Qutwani abu al Haytam al Kufi : A Shaykh , a teacher and mentor of Bukhari . Bukhari has taken traditions directly from him .

* Zayd ibn habab al Hasan al Kufi al Tamimi : A pillar of Kufi traditions .

* Sulayman ibn Surd al Khuza'i al Kufi : one of the great shi'i form Kufa . Sahi Bukhari has taken tradition for his SAHIH .

*Sulayman ibn al Taymi al Basri .all the writers of the six books have borrowed from his traditions .

* Sha'bah ibn al Hujjaj surname abu Bastam : Iraqi : six books of Sahih have taken his traditions .

* Sa sa ah ibn Sawhan ibn Hajar al Abdi al Kufi : he is one of the writers of the battle of Jamal

*Ubaydullah ibn Musa al Abasi al Kufi ; teacher of Bukhari .Bukhari mentions in his Sahih of him as one of his teachers .

* Muhammed ibn Abdullah al Hakim al Naysaburi : he was a hafiz and recorder of traditions. It is he who says that the holy prophet was born CTRCUMCISED and smiling , he was a staunch Shi'i who held firmly to the claim that Ali was the actual successor of the prophet .

* Muhammed ibn Muslim ibn Ta'ifi : the first author of the book of WUDU = ablutions .

* Nuh ibn Qays ibn al hadani al Tahi al Basri : author of the book on drinks .

* Hisham ibn Ammar ibn Nasir ibn Maysarah abu al Walid : author of the books of sales , measures , war drinks and qualities ; He was the teacher of Bukhari and Bukhari has incorporated his traditions under those chapters or books .

The list is exhaustive , some of these should suffice to give an idea of where these traditions originated in the name of the holy messenger of Allah .Perhaps these are without prejudice and without bias . this should answer many questions about the authenticity of the books of traditions .

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:30 pm

a) Abu Hanifa ( no proper name , only father of Hanifa ) born in 80AH died in 150 AH.
His full name is Nuʿmān ibn Thābit ibn Zūṭā ibn Marzubān.
Imam ibn Hanbal ( no name father , son of Hanbal )
His full name - Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Hanbal Abu `Abd Allah al-Shaybani

Bro GM, do you even validate a little bit of the articles that you post? I have pointed you out numerous times now. All I did was google!!

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Unread post by Sajauddin_Bagwala » Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:38 am

(IV)

((A) Sahih Bukhari Volume 003, Book 031, Hadith Number 124.
Narated By Ibn Umar : I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "When you see the crescent (of the month of Ramadan), start fasting, and when you see the crescent (of the month of Shawwal), stop fasting; and if the sky is overcast (and you can't see It) then regard the crescent (month) of Ramadan (as of 30 days)".

(B) Sahih Bukhari Volume 003, Book 031, Hadith Number 130.
Narated By Abdullah bin Umar : Allah's Apostle mentioned Ramadan and said, "Do not fast unless you see the crescent (of Ramadan), and do not give up fasting till you see the crescent (of Shawwal), but if the sky is overcast (if you cannot see it), then act on estimation (i.e. count Sha'ban as 30 days)."

(C) Sahih Bukhari Volume 003, Book 031, Hadith Number 134.
Narated By Um Salama : The Prophet vowed to keep aloof from his wives for a period of one month, and after the completion of 29 days he went either in the morning or in the afternoon to his wives. Someone said to him "You vowed that you would not go to your wives for one month." He replied, "The month is of 29 days."

Point to observe:
(1) In Rainy season, if moon cannot be cited for three-four nights then Sunni cannot start Ramdaan.
(2) If crescent of Shawwal is again not cited then Sunni Ramdaan will overstepped Eid and in Shawwal they will continue to do fast for Ramdaan.
(3) Sunni conveniently do not completely follow their own (forged) book of Bukhari.
(4) #(C) COMMANDS SUNNI'S, WAHABI AND SALAFI TO HAVE PERMANENTLY ONLY 29 DAYS OF RAMDAAN, and it is in direct contrast to (A) and (B) - where Sunni are guided to have only 29 days of Ramdaan. All (A), (B) and (C) as per Bukhar are originating from Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) - they are contrasting this proves that Sahih Bukhari does have forged Hadith and those who religiously follow Sahih Bukhar are astray indeed!

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Sahih Bukhari Volume 003, Book 031, Hadith Number 136.
Narated By Abu Bakra : The Prophet said, "The two months of 'Id i.e. Ramadan and Dhul-Hijja, do not decrease (in superiority)."

Observation: It means Ramdaan has to always of FIX number of days at 30.

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:17 am

Point to observe:
(1) In Rainy season, if moon cannot be cited for three-four nights then Sunni cannot start Ramdaan.
who told you or it is your idiotic observation ?
The Islamic calendar, however, is based on a different set of conventions.Each month has either 29 or 30 days, but usually in no discernible order.
If you do not see crescent on 29th day for any reason complete 30 days and start the Ramadan


(2) If crescent of Shawwal is again not cited then Sunni Ramdaan will overstepped Eid and in Shawwal they will continue to do fast for Ramdaan.
after completing 30 fast next day is Eid, dummy

(3) Sunni conveniently do not completely follow their own (forged) book of Bukhari.
that is your idiotic observation. Ask you guru Sh. Porus

(4) #(C) COMMANDS SUNNI'S, WAHABI AND SALAFI TO HAVE PERMANENTLY ONLY 29 DAYS OF RAMDAAN, and it is in direct contrast to (A) and (B) - where Sunni are guided to have only 29 days of Ramdaan. All (A), (B) and (C) as per Bukhar are originating from Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) - they are contrasting this proves that Sahih Bukhari does have forged Hadith and those who religiously follow Sahih Bukhar are astray indeed!
once again your idiotic observation is incorrect. Take some Sabaks from Sh. Porus

Read this and make sure you you take off your rosé colored glasses. If you have permanent "sunnitities" then you are beyond help.
The Islamic calendar, however, is based on a different set of conventions.Each month has either 29 or 30 days, but usually in no discernible order. Traditionally, the first day of each month is the day (beginning at sunset) of the first sighting of the hilal (crescent moon) shortly after sunset. If the hilal is not observed immediately after the 29th day of a month (either because clouds block its view or because the western sky is still too bright when the moon sets), then the day that begins at that sunset is the 30th. Such a sighting has to be made by one or more trustworthy men testifying before a committee of Muslim leaders. Determining the most likely day that the hilal could be observed was a motivation for Muslim interest in astronomy, which put Islam in the forefront of that science for many centuries.
It's Ramadan
At least take a break from Gibat and Fitna.

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:22 am

Question for porus and Sajauddin_Bhagwn wala

Did prophet always fasted for 30(fixed) days?

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:35 am

RECITATION AND SINGING
WITH OR WITHOUT MUSIC IN THE LIGHT OF
QURAN AND AHADITH




If someone tries to sum up the change in Arabs in the hands of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم), he will conclude that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) cleansed their hearts and changed their mindset and made them good Muslims.

From their past traditions, what was allowed to be continued by Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم)?

During Prophet’s (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) time, there were only two musical instruments, flute and tambourine and both these instruments were permitted.

Now a days many new musical instruments have been made. If someone uses them in singing, why can’t these be allowed?

All Ahadith relating to prevention of Singing (Gina) have been proved to be ‘weak Ahadith’ by all Imams of Fiqh.






At the time of the advent of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) people who lived in Hijaz were mostly descendants of the followers of Prophet Ibrahim ( علیھ السلا م ) and Hazrat Ismail ( علیھ السلا م ).

The historians say that the period between Ibrahim ( علیھ السلا م ) and Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) was over 2000 years. During this period, people gradually deviated from the teachings of Prophet Ibrahim ( علیھ السلا م ) and though they believed in one God, they started worshiping idols of all kinds. Many of these idols were brought to Makka Al-Mukarrama from far off places where Arabs used to go for merchandise.

Some Arabs were also the followers of other prophets; like Hazrat Moosa ( علیھ السلا م ) and Hazrat Isa ( علیھ السلا م ) who were known as Jews and Christians respectively. In Islamic history, this period is known as ‘the days of illiteracy' (Ayyam-e-Jahiliyyah).

What changes took place after the advent of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم)?

Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) brought the Arabs back to Islam; introduced worship of Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) and showed them how to worship Him. Certain practices of Arabs, like killing of girl child, wine drinking, usury, etc., were forbidden. Few other things were not banned, but regularized as per Islamic laws. Like unlimited polygamy was stopped and people were allowed to marry a maximum of 4 women with certain conditions. Improvement on humanistic behavior was introduced which helped them to become sincere and good human beings.

If anyone tries to sum up the change in Arabs in the hands of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم), he will conclude that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) cleansed their hearts and changed their mindset and made them good Muslims.

From their past traditions, what was allowed to be continued by Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم)?

The day to day lives of Arabs mostly remained unchanged with the exclusion of certain areas where Islamic reforms were introduced. Their living, their eating habits, their clothing, their cultural traditions, their practice of doing business, and many more things continued, rather Islamic rules further improved their living conditions.

For instances they were not required to change their names. They were allowed to continue with their wives and children. They were allowed to live in their own houses and encouraged to continue their businesses/agriculture as usual, except that usury was prohibited.

There were hundreds of tribes of Arabs living in Arabian Peninsula and Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) did not force them to change anything except certain areas where Islamic reforms were introduced.

Arab tribes had different accent in their colloquial Arabic. They were allowed to recite Quran in their own accent. But these recitals did not have any bearing on the understanding of the Quran. These recitals were later known as ‘seven recitals’ and ten recitals. Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) did not force them to use the accent of Quraish in reading Quran. In all these recitals, Hazrat Hafs (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) recital was very close to the accent of Quraish.

Singing as a show happiness was wide spread in Prophet’s (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) time. Certain cultural traditional dances remained unchanged. In a nutshell, Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) did not touch the cultural life of Arabs except in certain areas where Islamic values were introduced.

Islam is a versatile and happening religion. It is meant for the people of the whole world until the day of Resurrection. The cultural values of people of the whole world can be accommodated within the parameters of Islam. Islam has taught people certain basic requirements in their lives. These have to be as per the basic laws of Islam as taught by Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم). Islam does not impose anything against the basic nature of human beings. It reforms their nature and facilitates them to become good human beings.


It is in Quran – ‘O’ people of belief, do not consider forbidden those good things that Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) has allowed. (Al-Maa’ida – 87).

It is in Hadith – It is narrated by Abu Huraira (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) that the Apostle (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) said, ‘one who does not recite Quran with rich (vocal) recitation, is not among us. (Bukhari and Muslim).

It is in Hadith - It is narrated by Abu Huraira (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) that the Apostle (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) said Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) does not listen to anything the way He listens to the loud vocal recital of Quran by the melodious voice of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم). (Bukhari and Muslim).



WRITING OF POETRY AND ITS RECITATION WAS ALLOWED BY PROPHET MOHAMMAD (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم).

It is in Hadith - It is narrated by Buraida (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) that I heard Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) saying, some (couplet) is convincing speech, some are ignorant talk, and some couplet is wisdom and some are narrow mindedness’ (Abu Dawood).



WRITING OF NA'AT (EULOGY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD - صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) AND ITS RECITATION WAS VERY MUCH LIKED BY THE PROPHET (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم).

It is in Hadith - Ummul Momineen Aisha (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہا) narrated that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) used to keep a Pulpit ( stand ) at the Prophet’s (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) mosque for Hassaan Bin Saabith (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ), and Hazrat Hassaan (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) used to climb over it and used to express pride for, and defend Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) (meaning he used to recite Na’at) and the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) used to say that Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) supports Hassaan (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) from Hazrat Jibreel ( علیھ السلا م ) as long as he expresses pride for and defends the Apostel (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم). (Bukhari).

It is in Hadith - Narrated Hassan bin Thabit Al-Ansari: I asked Abu Huraira "By Allah! Tell me the truth whether you heard the Prophet sayig O Hassan! Reply o behalf of Allah's Apostle. O Allah! Help him with the Holy Spirit" Abu Huraira said, "Yes". (Bukhari, Vol 1, Book 8, # 444).

It is in Hadith - 'Amr b Sharid reported his father as saying: One day when I rode behind Allah's Messenger, he said (to me): Do you remember any Poetry of Umayya b. Abu Salt. I said: Yes. He said: Then go on. I recited a couplet, and he said: Go on. Then I again recited a couplet and he said : Go on. I recited one hundred couplets (of his Poetry). This Hadith has been reported on the authority of Sharid through another chain of transmitters but with a slight variation of wording. (Muslim. Book 28, # 5602).

It is in Hadith - Narrated Abdullah bin Dinar (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ): My father said, “I heard Ibn ‘Umar (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) reciting the poetic verses of Abu Talib(رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) :

And a white (person) (i.e. the Prophet - صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم ) who is requested to pray for rain and who takes care of the orphans and is the guardian of widows. ”

Salim’s father (Ibn Umar - رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) said, “The following poetic verse occurred to my mind while I was looking at the face of the Prophet ( صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم ) while he was praying for rain.

He did not get down till the rain water flowed profusely from every roof, water passage:

And a white (person) ( Prophet Mohammad - صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم ) who is requested to pray for rain and who takes care of the orphans and is the guardian of widows.... And these were the words of Abu Talib (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ).” (Bukhari, Book 2, Volume 17, Hadith 122)



PLAYING OF TAMBOURINE (DAF) AND FLUTE, AND DANCING IN JOY WAS ALLOWED AND LIKED BY PROPHET (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم).

It is in Hadith – Ummul Momineen Aisha (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہا) has narrated that the Apostel (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) said that ‘make announcement for the marriage ceremony and perform the ceremony at Mosque and play on the tambourine (Daf). (Tirmizi).

It is in Hadith – It is narrated by Mohammad Bin Haatib (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ), and he narrates it from Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) who said that the difference between lawful (halaal) and unlawful (Haraam) is that in marriages singing and drum beating is performed. (Ahmad, Tirmizi, Nasa’ee and Ibnu Maaja).

It is in Hadith – Ummul Momineen Aisha (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہا) narrates that when one Ansari’s bride was sent to her groom’s house in her bridal attire, the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) said that ‘Don’t you have some play and fun because the Ansar’s like fun’. (Bukhari).

It is in Hadith – It is narrated by Ummul Momineen Aisha (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہا), she said ‘I swear to Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی), I saw the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم), and the Habashis (a tribe of Madina) are playing (dancing) with spears and the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) hides me with his coverlet so that I could see their play from between his ear and shoulder. Then he stays for me until I myself will return back’. (Bukhari and Muslim).


It is in Hadith – It is narrated by Abu Moosa (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) said, O’Moosa (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ), you have been given a flute of the People of Dawood ( علیھ السلا م ). (Tirmizi).

It is in Hadith – Ummul Momineen Aisha (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہا) narrates that Abu Bakr (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) came to our home when two girls were clapping and playing on the tambourine (Daf) during ‘Mana’, and in another narration (the girls were) singing such couplets which were recited by Ansars during the war of Ba’as. When Abu Bakr (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) chided these girls, the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) took out the (bed) sheet from his face and said O’Abu Bakr (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ), leave them, as this is festival time. And in one narration (it is said) O’ Abu Bakr (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ), every nation has festival and this is our festival.’ (Bukhari and Muslim).

During Prophet’s (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) time, there were only two musical instruments, flute and tambourine and both these instruments were permitted.

Now a days many new musical instruments have been made. If someone uses them in rightful singing, why can’t these be allowed? However, if someone is singing something which explains physical beauty of a woman or describes polytheism and infidelity or idolatory, its recital and singing is senseless, waste of time and will be considered as sin. Similarly, singing and dancing of young men and women together on stages cannot be allowed.

Every aspect of human activity has positive and negative features. Islam disallowed negative features and allowed the positive side.

Fornication and infidelity is not allowed. But you can have legal marital bliss.

Singing, music and dancing which leads people towards sin cannot be allowed. But if someone recites the eulogy of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم), meaning recites Na'at, with musical instruments, how can it be disallowed?

If someone sings in praise of his parents because they have supported him in his life, how can we disallow it?

If someone sings in praise of his teacher for his services, how can it be disallowed?

If someone recites a poetry in praise of his Shaikh who taught him Arabic, Quran and Hadith, how can this be disallowed?

If someone sings, dances and plays musical instruments in times of joys, festivals, marriages, how can it be disallowed?

If someone arranges ‘Sama’ gatherings and recital of poetry in praise of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) and Sahabah (رضئ اللھ تعالی عنہم اجمعین ) and legendary Shaikhs of Ihsan and uses musical instruments, this will be treated as Sunnah because Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) has allowed and liked it.

Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Saffarini al-Hanbali (d. 1188) relates in his Ghidha' al-albab li-sharh manzumat al-adab from Ibrahim ibn `Abd Allah al-Qalanasi that Imam Ahmad said about the Sufis: "I don't know people better than them." Someone said to him: "They listen to music and they reach states of ecstasy (Meaning they do Wajd)." He said: "Do you prevent them from enjoying an hour with Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی)?"

If people recite Salam and Durood in chorus with music on Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) it will be treated as Sunnah because Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) and Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) both like it.




The tradition of hearing of vocal music is also proved from companions of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) and their first and second generation followers. Read the following 15 Ahadith.
(1) It is narrated by Ibne Abdul Bar (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) that Omer (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) heard vocal music.

(2) It is narrated by Madarvi and Rafa’ee that Osman (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) heard vocal music.

(3) It is narrated by Ibn Abi Shaibah that Abdul Rahman Bin Auf(رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) heard vocal music.

(4) It is narrated by Baihaqi, Ibn Maaja, Sa’eed Bin Mansour and Wahidi that Abu Obaidah bin Jarrah (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) heard music.

(5) It is narrated by Baihaqi that Bilal (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ), Abd bin Arqam (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) and Osama Bin Zaid (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) heard it.

(6) It is narrated by Ibn Zaher that Hamza (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) heard it.

(7) It is narrated by Abu Nayeem that Barra bin Malik (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) heard it.

(8) It is narrated by Ibn Abdul Bar that Abdullah Bin Jaber (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) heard it.

(9) It is narrated by Abu Talib Makki that Abdullah Bin Zubair (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) heart it.

(10) It is narrated by Abu Tafra Asbahani that Hassaan Bin Saabith (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) heard it.

(11) It is narrated by Zubain bin Akkar that Abdullah bin Omer (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) heard it.

(12) It is narrated by Ibn Qutbla that Qurazta bin Ka’ab (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) heard it.

(13) It is narrated by Bukhari that Ummul Momineen Aisha (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہا) heard it.

(14) It is narrated by Abu Talib Makki that Mugaira bin Sha’aba (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) heard it.

(15) It is narrated by Madravi that Umroo bin Aass (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) heard it.


The listeners of Audition (singing/recital with music) are numerous in Prophet’s (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) time and later among his companions and their second generation ta’aba’een (known as Salaf).

All 4 Imams of Fiqh and Ibn Ainia and Sha’afais have supported this school of thought.

All Hadiths relating to prevention of Singing (Gina) have been proved to be ‘weak hadiths’ by all Imams of fiqh.

Salafis and their like minded groups always mention the following Hadith in which it is mentioned that ‘wine, fornication, silky wear and singing are not allowed’.

Narrated Abu 'Aamir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari that he heard the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) saying: "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks, and the use of musical instruments as lawful. And (from them), there will be some who will stay near the side of a mountain, and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him: 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) will destroy them during the night and will let the mountains fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the day of Judgment. " [Bukhari Vol.7 Hadith No.5590]

It is obvious from the above Hadith that the singing will be judged as per the assembly of people and what they are singing. The group of the people mentioned in the above Hadith will be alcoholic drunkard, will be doing zina and will use Music as sin. They will not be charitable people as well. Definitely, whoever is using musical instruments for the purpose of sin, will be punished.

However, how can someone impose this Hadith on the recitation of Na’at of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) which was liked by him very much?

Salafis have the habit of imposing Quranic verses and Ahadith meant for disbelievers, sinners on good Muslims in order to misrepresent Islam on the gullible people. Innocent people get carried away by their utterances and get mislead. They do not realize that by their actions, they may get some worldly benefits or may be leadership of the community, but what will happen in Hereafter should be a matter of concern for them.

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In June 2010, a Fatwa (religious ruling) was issued by Shaikh Adel Al Kalbani, former Imam of the Grand Mosque of Makkah, in which he said that Islam does not forbid singing and music.

"There is no clear-cut religious ruling that says singing and music are not permissible in Islam," Kalbani said. He reiterated that he found nothing in Islamic scripture that makes music haram, or forbidden. He also emphasized that he was open to discussion on the issue with any Salafi scholar of Saudi Arabia. "The problem is that there are some who do not accept debate at all," he said. He clarified that he was not endorsing all music, using two often risque Lebanese pop singers as examples. "I am talking about decent singing, which contains decent words, and supports morality," he told the online newspaper Sabq.org. He further said that "I am definitely not talking about the songs of Nancy Ajram or Haifa Wehbe or other indecent songs." However, "if Nancy Ajram sang a song with a positive message, then she would be within my fatwa."

Kalbani himself was against singing and music but he changed his mind. "I have read the fatwas of those saying singing and music were against Islam. "I strongly supported them and had a famous sermon on this but I changed my mind when I found out that prohibition of singing and music in Islam was based on weak evidences," he said. He said in an interview with MBC that the people who do not give much attention to music, live like animals. "Music is the sign of civilisation and progress of any society," he said. Saudi publisher and media personality Osman Al Omair welcomed Al Kalbani's fatwa and said those who say singing and music were haram are as good as animals.

If anyone denies authentic Prophet's (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) Ahadith, he will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of the bow.

Recitation of Salam, Sama, Eulogy of all venerable people of religion with or without Music is allowed in Islam, because the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) and Sahaba have allowed it.

To do Wajd, or stand or cry slowly or loudly in Sama gatherings on couplets of eulogy on Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) is Sunnah. Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) and His Apostle (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) feel happy about it. All these actions are proved by the traditions of the companions of Prophet Mohammad(صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) and their followers.

What kind of following of Salaf is this?

The Salafis and their like minded groups say that they follow the Salaf ( the companions of Prophet Mohammad – صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم and their first generation followers – ta’aba’een ), but in practice they do exactly the opposite of it.

It is in Quran – ‘O’people of belief, do not consider forbidden those good things that Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) has allowed. (Al-Maa’ida – 87).

From
Music & Recitation Islam - LET US CORRECT OUR ISLAMIC FAITH
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Re: Bukhari - some interesting Hadith he collected

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:48 am

Sajauddin_Bagwala wrote:
(I)
Chapter 15 The two festivals (Eids), #69: Narrated 'Abdullah bin Umar: Umar bought a silk cloak from the market, took it to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Take it and adorn yourself with it during the 'Id and when the delegations visit you." Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) replied, "This dress is for those who have no share (in the Hereafter)." After a long period Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) sent to Umar a cloak of silk brocade. Umar came to Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) with the cloak and said, "O Allah's Apostle! You said that this dress was for those who had no share (in the Hereafter); yet you have sent me this cloak." Allah's Apostle said to him, "Sell it and fulfill your needs by it."
Observation:
1. Hazrat Umar had no or defected knowledge of Halal and Haram wearable clothes for men? Can he rightly guide Muslims when he himself is not rightly guided?
2. Has not he wasted his money?
3. When one accept a gift then the receiver become owner of the gift. Hazrat Mohammed PBUH denied & rejected Hz. Umar gift so Hz. Umar remained the owner of that Silk cloak - Hz. Mohammed PBUH said about owners of such silk cloak, "This dress is for those who have no share (in the Hereafter)"!!!
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Umar:
Umar bin Al-Khattab saw a silken dress (cloak) being sold at the gate of the Mosque and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Would that you buy it and wear it on Fridays and when the delegates come to you!" Allah's Apostle said, "This is worn by the one who will have no share in the Hereafter." Later on some silk dresses were brought and Allah's Apostle sent one of them to 'Umar. 'Umar said, "How do you give me this to wear while you said what you said about the dress of 'Utarid?" Allah's Apostle said, "I have not given it to you to wear." So, 'Umar gave it to a pagan brother of his in Mecca. Sahih Bukhari: Volume 3, Book 47, Number 782.

Bhagwanji

What is your observation ?
Did Hz Umar buy anything ?
Did he wear it?

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Re: Bukhari - some interesting Hadith he collected

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Sajauddin_Bagwala wrote:(IV)

((A) Sahih Bukhari Volume 003, Book 031, Hadith Number 124.
Narated By Ibn Umar : I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "When you see the crescent (of the month of Ramadan), start fasting, and when you see the crescent (of the month of Shawwal), stop fasting; and if the sky is overcast (and you can't see It) then regard the crescent (month) of Ramadan (as of 30 days)".

(B) Sahih Bukhari Volume 003, Book 031, Hadith Number 130.
Narated By Abdullah bin Umar : Allah's Apostle mentioned Ramadan and said, "Do not fast unless you see the crescent (of Ramadan), and do not give up fasting till you see the crescent (of Shawwal), but if the sky is overcast (if you cannot see it), then act on estimation (i.e. count Sha'ban as 30 days)."

(C) Sahih Bukhari Volume 003, Book 031, Hadith Number 134.
Narated By Um Salama : The Prophet vowed to keep aloof from his wives for a period of one month, and after the completion of 29 days he went either in the morning or in the afternoon to his wives. Someone said to him "You vowed that you would not go to your wives for one month." He replied, "The month is of 29 days."

Point to observe:
(1) In Rainy season, if moon cannot be cited for three-four nights then Sunni cannot start Ramdaan.
(2) If crescent of Shawwal is again not cited then Sunni Ramdaan will overstepped Eid and in Shawwal they will continue to do fast for Ramdaan.
(3) Sunni conveniently do not completely follow their own (forged) book of Bukhari.
(4) #(C) COMMANDS SUNNI'S, WAHABI AND SALAFI TO HAVE PERMANENTLY ONLY 29 DAYS OF RAMDAAN, and it is in direct contrast to (A) and (B) - where Sunni are guided to have only 29 days of Ramdaan. All (A), (B) and (C) as per Bukhar are originating from Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) - they are contrasting this proves that Sahih Bukhari does have forged Hadith and those who religiously follow Sahih Bukhar are astray indeed!

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Sahih Bukhari Volume 003, Book 031, Hadith Number 136.
Narated By Abu Bakra : The Prophet said, "The two months of 'Id i.e. Ramadan and Dhul-Hijja, do not decrease (in superiority)."

Observation: It means Ramdaan has to always of FIX number of days at 30.
Dear Br BJ, Doctor or S_B

Here is what Br porus posted in another thread

porus wrote:Our brother Muslim First cannot let go of this discussion. He keeps sending me pm's about it.

Here is the latest exchange about whether or not I know if Prophet fasted for exactly 30 days in Ramadan.
Muslim First wrote:Br. It is your claim that fast in Ramadaan is fixed, that is 30 days, not mine.
Brother,

You have not been reading my posts carefully. Please do.

My claim is that the number of fasts in Ramadan are 'fixed' according to ayat 2:184. The ayat does not specify that number. It is up to us to determine whether we want it to be 29 or 30. They cannot be exactly 29 or exactly 30 as I have explained countless times. That is due to orbits of both the earth and the moon.

For reasons best known to Imam Jafar al-Sadiq, Bohras keep the number of fasts at 30.

Other Muslims take the ayats of sighting the moon literally and wait for their leaders to actually 'see' the crescent to decide o the first day of the lunar month. (Mind you they do not individually look for the crescent). Quran tells us that orbits are fixed by Allah. And He has given us the intelligence to predict the new moon very accurately.

The issue with the Hijri/Misri calendar is that in it Lunar and Solar reckonings are mixed up. Muslim months are based on Lunar. Their days are based on Solar. So the calendar deals with discrepancies by adjusting days of a month in what is called a Leap Year. Misri Calendar does that fro Dhul Hajj.

I do not know if Prophet had the knowledge of modern astronomy. I do not know if he fasted 29 days one Ramadan and 30 days another. All we need to be concerned with is that Quran tells us to fast for a 'fixed' number of days. If you follow moon sighting, a method prone to human error, then you can fast when you see the moon and sometimes even if you do not see the moon you will end your fasting when you have completed your 30 fasts. Where then does your insistence on sighting the moon disappear? Your explanation would be that that is because of the knowledge we have of the orbits of the moon and the earth. And that is exactly what the Misri calendar does.
I hope this will end debate about fixed 30 days of Ramadan and end to one claim about DB being pristine version of Islam
This will not stop you posting more to creat FITNA. We are here to bust your balloons.

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Re: Bukhari - some interesting Hadith he collected

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Unread post by Muslim First » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:12 am

Adam said in another thread

Adam wrote:As the battle between the two continues.
I would like to add something.

1)
It is known by all Muslims that the Month of Ramadan is divided into TENTHS عشر (Ushr), in lisan ud dawat its called "dasko"
http://islamstory.com/ar/%D8%A7%D9%84%D ... 8%AE%D8%B1
First TEN - Rehmat
Middle TEN - Magferat
Last TEN - Itq min al nar
Thus, the month is divided into TENS. Not 29s or 28s.
If you want, you can have a Ramadan of 40 days or 50 days as long as the TENS stay! ;) :D

2)
Another example.
It is accepted by ALL muslims that Lailtul Qadr comes during the LAST TEN DAYS.
There is a Hadees where the Prophet SAW says : "Seek Lailatul Qadr in the Last TEN days". (P.S DBs believe its on the 23rd while others on the 27th, that's beside the point here)
Question:
-How do you count backwards for the LAST TEN DAYS, if you don't know when the month ends?
-How can you have "LAST TEN DAYS" if Ramadan is 29 or 28 days?

Concluding:
The word "al iddah" in the Quran refers to a FIXED amount of Days.
The Prophet has said it's 30.
DBs follow the 30 rule.
The Prophet has said it's 30.

Adam please provide authentic Hadith

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Re: Bukhari - some interesting Hadith he collected

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Unread post by Muslim First » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:20 am

Hadith related to moon sighting in Ramadan
This is to help out Adam, BJ, doctor, porus, etc etc

NARRATOR AbuHurayrah
SAHIH MUSLIM
HADITH_No 2378
Allah's Messenger (peace_be_upon_him) said: Whenever you sight the new moon (of the month of Ramadan) observe fast, and when you sight it (the new moon of Shawwal) break it, and if the sky is cloudy for you, then observe fast for thirty days.
NARRATOR AbuHurayrah
SAHIH MUSLIMÂ
HADITH_No 2379Â
Allah's Messenger (peace_be_upon_him) said: Observe fast on sighting it (the new moon) and break (fast) on sighting it (the new moon), but if the sky is cloudy for you, then complete the number (of thirty).
NARRATOR AbuHurayrah
SAHIH MUSLIM
HADITH_No 2380
Allah's Messenger (peace_be_upon_him) said: Observe fast on sighting it (the new moon) and break it on sighting it. But if (due to clouds) the actual position of the month is concealed from you, you should then count thirty (days).
NARRATOR AbuHurayrah
SAHIH MUSLIM
HADITH_No 2381
The Messenger of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) made a mention of the new moon and (in this connection) said: Observe fast when you see it (the new moon) and break fast when you see it (the new moon of Shawwal), but when (the actual position of the month is) concealed from you (on account of cloudy sky), then count thirty days.

NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Abbas
SAHIH MUSLIM
HADITH_No 2391
Kurayb said: Umm Fadl, daughter of Harith, sent him (Fadl, i.e. her son) to Mu'awiyah in Syria. I (Fadl) arrived in Syria, and did the needful for her. It was there in Syria that the month of Ramadan commenced. I saw the new moon (of Ramadan) on Friday. I then came back to Medina at the end of the month. Abdullah ibn Abbas asked me (about the new moon of Ramadan) and said: When did you see it? I said: We saw it on Friday night. He said: (Did) you see it yourself? I said: Yes, and the people also saw it so they observed fast and Mu'awiyah also observed fast. Thereupon he said: But we saw it on Saturday night. So we shall continue to observe the fast until we complete thirty (fasts) or we see it (the new moon of Shawwal). I said: Is the sighting of the moon by Mu'awiyah not valid for you? He said: No; this is how the Messenger of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) has commanded us. Yahya ibn Yahya was in doubt (whether the word used in the narration by Kurayb) was Naktafi or Taktafi.

NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Abbas
SAHIH MUSLIM
HADITH_No 2392
AbulBakhtari reported: We went out to perform Umrah and when we encamped in the valley of Nakhlah, we tried to see the new moon. Some of the people said: It was three nights old, and others (said) that it was two nights old. We then met Ibn Abbas and told him we had seen the new moon, but that some of the people said it was three nights old and others that it was two nights old. He asked on which night we had seen it; and when we told him we had seen it on such and such night, he said the Prophet of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) had said Verily Allah deferred it till the time it is seen, so it is to be reckoned from the night you saw it.

NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Abbas
SAHIH MUSLIM
HADITH_No 2526
Hakim ibn al-Araj reported: I went to Ibn Abbas and he was reclining using his mantle as a pillow near the fountain of Zamzam. I said to him: Tell me about fasting on Ashura. He said: When you see the new moon of Muharram then count the (days) and observe fast on the 9th. I said to him: Is it how the Messenger of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) observed the fast? He said: Yes.

NARRATOR AbuHurayrah
SAHIH MUSLIM
HADITH_No 2635
We were talking about laylat al-Qadr in the presence of the Messenger of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and he said: He who amongst you remembers (the night) when the moon arose and it was like a piece of plate (at the fag end of the month in a state of waning).

NARRATOR Anas ibn Malik
SAHIH MUSLIM
HADITH_No 6868
We were with Umar between Mecca and Medina so that we might begin to look for the new moon. I was a man with sharp eyesight, so I could see it, but none saw it except myself. I began to say to Umar: Don't you see it? But he could not see it. Thereupon Umar said: I shall soon be able to see it (when it shines more brightly). I lay in bed. He then mentioned to us of the people of Badr and said: Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) showed us one day before (the actual battle) the place of death of the people (participating) in (the Battle) of Badr and he was saying: This will be the place of death of so and so tomorrow, if Allah wills. Umar said: By Him Who sent him with truth, they did not miss the places (of their death) which Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) had indicated for them. Then they were all thrown in a well, one after another. Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) then went to them and said: O, so and so, the son of so and so; O so and so, the son of so and so, have you found what Allah and His Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) had promised you? I have, however, found absolutely true what Allah had promised me. Umar said: Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) said: How can you talk as bodies without souls in them. Thereupon he said: You cannot hear more distinctly than (they can) what I say, but with the exception that they have no power to make any reply.

NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Umar
AL-MUWATTA
HADITH_No 18.1.1
The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, once mentioned Ramadan and said, "Do not begin the fast until you see the new moon, and do not break the fast (at the end of Ramadan) until you see it. If the new moon is obscured from you, then work out (when it should be)."

NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Umar
AL-MUWATTA
HADITH_No 18.1.2
The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "A month has twenty-nine days in it. Do not start the fast or break it until you see the new moon. If the new moon is obscured from you, then work out (when it should be)."

NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Abbas
AL-MUWATTA
HADITH_No 18.1.3
The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, once mentioned Ramadan and said, "Do not start the fast or break it until you see the new moon. If the new moon is obscured from you, then complete a full thirty days."


NARRATOR AbuUmayr ibn Anas
ABU DAWUD
HADITH_No 1153
AbuUmayr reported on the authority of some of his paternal uncles who were Companions of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him): Some men came riding to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and testified that they had sighted the new moon the previous day. He (the Holy Prophet), therefore, commanded the people to break the fast and to go out to their place of prayer in the morning.


NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Umar
ABU DAWUD
HADITH_No 2312
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The month consists of twenty-nine days, but do not fast till you sight it (the moon) and do not break your fast till you sight it. If the weather is cloudy, calculate it thirty days. When the twenty-ninth of Sha'ban came, Ibn Umar would send someone (who tried) to sight the moon for him. If it was sighted, then well and good; in case it was not sighted, and there was no cloud and dust before him (on the horizon), he would not keep fast the next day. If there appeared (on the horizon) before him cloud or dust, he would fast the following day. Ibn Umar would end his fasting alone with the people, and did not follow this calculation.

NARRATOR Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin
ABU DAWUD
HADITH_No 2318
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) used to count the days in Sha'ban in a manner he did not count any other month; then he fasted when he sighted the new moon of Ramadan; but if the weather was cloudy he counted thirty days and then fasted.

NARRATOR Hudhayfah
ABU DAWUD
HADITH_No 2319
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Do not fast (for Ramadan) before the coming of the month until you sight the moon or complete the number (of thirty days); then fast until you sight the moon or complete the number (of thirty days).

NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Abbas
ABU DAWUD
HADITH_No 2320
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Do not fast one day or two days just before Ramadan except in the case of a man who has been in the habit or observing a fast (on that day); and do not fast until you sight it (the moon). Then fast until you sight it. If a cloud appears on that day (i.e. 29th of Ramadan) then complete the number thirty (days) and then end the fasting: a month consists of twenty-nine days.

NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Umar
ABU DAWUD
HADITH_No 2331
Husayn ibn al-Harith al-Jadli from the tribe of Jadilah Qays said: The governor of Mecca delivered a speech and said: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) took a pledge from us that we should perform the rites of hajj after sighting the moon. If we do not sight it and two reliable persons bear witness, we should perform the rites of hajj on the basis of their witness. I then asked al-Husayn ibn al-Harith: Who was the governor of Mecca? He replied: I do not know. He then met me later on and told me: He was al-Harith ibn Hatib, brother of Muhammad ibn Hatib. The governor then said: There is among you a man who is more acquainted with Allah and His Apostle than I. He witnessed this from the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him). He then pointed with his hand to a man. Al- Husayn said: I asked an old man beside me: Who is that man to whom the governor has alluded? He said: "This is Abdullah ibn Umar, and he spoke the truth. He was more acquainted with Allah than he. He (Abdullah ibn Umar) said: For this is what the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) commanded us (to do).

NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Abbas
ABU DAWUD
HADITH_No 2333
A bedouin came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: I have sighted the moon. Al-Hasan added in his version: that is, of Ramadan. He asked: Do you testify that there is no god but Allah? He replied: Yes. He again asked: Do you testify that Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah? He replied: Yes. and he testified that he had sighted the moon. He said: Bilal, announce to the people that they must fast tomorrow.

NARRATOR Ikrimah
ABU DAWUD
HADITH_No 2334
Once the people doubted the appearance of the moon of Ramadan, and intended neither to offer the tarawih prayer nor to keep fast. A bedouin came from al-Harrah and testified that he had sighted the moon. He was brought to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him). He asked: Do you testify that there is no god but Allah, and that I am the Apostle of Allah? He said: Yes; and he testified that he had sighted the moon. He commanded Bilal who announced to the people to offer the tarawih prayer and to keep fast.

NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Umar
ABU DAWUD
Hadith_No 2335
The people sighted the moon, so I informed the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) that I had sighted it. He fasted and commanded the people to fast.

NARRATOR AbuRazin al-Uqayli
ABU DAWUD
HADITH_No 4713
I asked: Apostle of Allah! will each one of us see his Lord? Ibn Mu'adh's version has: "being alone with Him, on the Day of Resurrection? And what sign is there is His creation?" He replied: AbuRazin! does each one of you not see the moon? Ibn Mu'adh's version has: "on the night when it is full, being alone with it?" Then the agreed version goes: I said: Yes. He said: Allah is more great. Ibn Mu'adh's version has: It is only part of Allah's creation, but Allah is more glorious and greater.

NARRATOR Qatadah
ABU DAWUD
HADITH_No 5073
When the Prophet of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) saw the new moon, he said: "a new moon of good and right guidance; a new moon of good and right guidance; a new moon of good and right guidance. I believe in Him Who created you" three times. He would then say: "Praise be to Allah Who has made such and such a month to pass and has brought such and such a month."

NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Abbas
MISHKAT AL-MASABIH
HADITH_No 1230r
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Do not anticipate Ramadan. Start the fast with observing the new moon and terminate it with observing it. If the sky is overcast let the month run to thirty days.

NARRATOR Talhah ibn Ubaydullah
MISHKAT AL-MASABIH
HADITH_No 1233r
On seeing a new moon, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) would supplicate: Allah, do Thou cause the appearance of this moon to be a harbinger of peace, faith, security and Islam for us. Thy Lord, O moon, and mine is Allah. May this be a moon presaging guidance and good.

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Re: Bukhari - some interesting Hadith he collected

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Unread post by Muslim First » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:35 am

When is Laylat al-Qadr?
Answered by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani


When is it?

There is great difference of opinion about this, because it is of the matters whose certain knowledge has been lifted by Allah Most High from this Ummah, for the wisdom that people strive to seek it:

In general, it is agreed that it is most likely to be in the last ten nights of Ramadan, with the odd nights being more likely. Of the odd nights, the night of the 27th (which is the night before the 27th of Ramadan, for the Islamic day starts with nightfall) is most likely. Imam Shafi`i said that it is most likely to be the 21st, then the 23rd, then the 27th. Imam Nawawi followed the position of Imam Muzani and Imam Ibn Khuzayma that it moves around within the last ten nights. [Nawawi, al-Majmu` Sharh al-Muhadhdhab, 6.488]

However, it could be outside the last ten nights within Ramadan. It may even be outside Ramadan according to both early and late scholars. This has been transmitted from many of the Companions of the Prophet (Allah bless him & give him peace), including Ibn Mas`ud (Allah be pleased with him). It is one of the reported positions of Imam Abu Hanifa, and also of many of the great knowers of Allah, including Ibn Arabi (whose position is quoted by Ibn Abidin with support), Abu’l Hasan al-Shadhili, Sha`rani, and many others.

May Allah give us the success of following in the footsteps of the inheritors of the Prophet (Allah bless him & give him peace), outwardly and inwardly, and may He make us of those whom He loves.

This is one of the many reasons why one should strive to establish the night vigil prayer (tahajjud), daily.

Read more at
http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?CATE=6&HD=1&ID=336

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Re: Bukhari - some interesting Hadith he collected

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Unread post by Muslim First » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:37 am

From Ramadan calculation method
porus wrote:
anajmi wrote:The prophet (saw) has said to look for the moon on the 29th. If not found, then the month is 30 days. So how did it become clear to porus that the prophet did not bother sighting the moon? Maybe the same way an ambiguous ayah becomes clear to him??
Prophet is alleged to have said:
All Ahadith can be said "Prophet is alleged to have said:" including Hadith of Ghdheer Khum, Rope etc etc
look for the moon on the 29 and if not seen complete 30 days.
That means : "do not bother looking for the moon on the 30th"
that is one way to put it

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Re: Bukhari - some interesting Hadith he collected

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:18 am

Sajauddin_Bagwala wrote:II)
Chapter 15 The two festivals (Eids), #70: Narrated Aisha: Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) came to my house while two girls were singing beside me the songs of Buath. The Prophet (p.b.u.h) lay down and turned his face to the other side. Then Abu Bakr came and spoke to me harshly saying, "Musical instruments of Satan near the Prophet (p.b.u.h) ?"
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Chapter 15 The two festivals (Eids), #72: Narrated Aisha: Abu Bakr came to my house while two small Ansari girls were singing beside me the stories of the Ansar concerning the Day of Buath. And they were not singers. Abu Bakr said protestingly, "Musical instruments of Satan in the house of Allah's Apostle !" It happened on the 'Id day and Allah's Apostle said, "O Abu Bakr! There is an 'Id for every nation and this is our 'Id."
Observation:
Hz. Aisha was enjoying singing/musical instruments - the act which his father Hz. Abu Bakr categorize as "Satanic" and Hz. Mohammed PBUH turned his face away!!!

What will the state of morale of that person who relish with satanic tools???
Subhan Allah

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Re: Bukhari - some interesting Hadith he collected

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:01 pm

badrijanab wrote:
Sajauddin_Bagwala wrote:II)
Observation:
Hz. Aisha was enjoying singing/musical instruments - the act which his father Hz. Abu Bakr categorize as "Satanic" and Hz. Mohammed PBUH turned his face away!!!
Subhan Allah
Shifty Shia like Bunder janab or soja_bhagwnwala are known for their Half hadithing or quoting half or truncated verses of Quran or out and out lying

Here is full hadith
Hadith on Eid: The Prophet let Aisha sing songs, play, and have fun on the day of Eid

Aisha reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, came to my house when two girls were beside me singing songs of Bu’ath. He laid down and turned his face to the other side. Then, Abu Bakr came and spoke to me harshly, saying, “Musical instruments of Satan near the Prophet?” The Messenger of Allah turned his face toward him and said, “Leave them.” When Abu Bakr became inattentive, I signaled the girls and they left. It was the day of celebration and the Abyssinians were playing with shields and spears; either I asked the Prophet or he asked me whether I would like to watch. I said yes. Then the Prophet made me stand behind him while my cheek was touching his cheek and he was saying, “Carry on, O Banu Arfida,” until I became tired. The Prophet asked me, “Are you satisfied?” I said yes, so I left.
Source: Sahih Bukhari 907
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Bukhari


Observation
The Hadith was edited to make Aisha look bad

Bunder Janab and Soja_ Bhagwaan are liars and Fitna khors and they will stoop at the gutter level to discredit 1,2,3 and Aisha. This is because their inbred hatred for 123+Aisha and worship of Panjatans.
By doing this, these Haram Khors do not realize that they are questioning judgement of The Prophet.
What will the state of morale of that person who relish with satanic tools???
She has been promised Junnah by Prophet.
It is you, Bunder and Soja 2 shayateen who should be worried about their fate.

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:23 pm

Here is full hadith
Hadith on Eid: The Prophet let Aisha sing songs, play, and have fun on the day of Eid

Aisha reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, came to my house when two girls were beside me singing songs of Bu’ath. He laid down and turned his face to the other side. Then, Abu Bakr came and spoke to me harshly, saying, “Musical instruments of Satan near the Prophet?” The Messenger of Allah turned his face toward him and said, “Leave them.” When Abu Bakr became inattentive, I signaled the girls and they left. It was the day of celebration and the Abyssinians were playing with shields and spears; either I asked the Prophet or he asked me whether I would like to watch. I said yes. Then the Prophet made me stand behind him while my cheek was touching his cheek and he was saying, “Carry on, O Banu Arfida,” until I became tired. The Prophet asked me, “Are you satisfied?” I said yes, so I left.
Source: Sahih Bukhari 907
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Bukhari


Observation
The Hadith was edited to make Aisha look bad

Bunder Janab and Soja_ Bhagwaan are liars and Fitna khors and they will stoop at the gutter level to discredit 1,2,3 and Aisha. This is because their inbred hatred for 123+Aisha and worship of Panjatans.
By doing this, these Haram Khors do not realize that they are questioning judgement of The prophet.

She has been promised Junnah by Prophet.
It is you, Bunder and Soja 2 shayateen who should be worried about their fate.
Subhan Allah. May allah curse those who manipulate his words and the traditions of his prophet (saw).

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:29 pm

I was wondering if Janab porus or any PDB member will comment on my post!!!!!

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Re: Bukhari - some interesting Hadith he collected

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Unread post by badrijanab » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:30 am

anajmi wrote:
Here is full hadith
Hadith on Eid: The Prophet let Aisha sing songs, play, and have fun on the day of Eid

Aisha reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, came to my house when two girls were beside me singing songs of Bu’ath. He laid down and turned his face to the other side. Then, Abu Bakr came and spoke to me harshly, saying, “Musical instruments of Satan near the Prophet?” The Messenger of Allah turned his face toward him and said, “Leave them.” When Abu Bakr became inattentive, I signaled the girls and they left. It was the day of celebration and the Abyssinians were playing with shields and spears; either I asked the Prophet or he asked me whether I would like to watch. I said yes. Then the Prophet made me stand behind him while my cheek was touching his cheek and he was saying, “Carry on, O Banu Arfida,” until I became tired. The Prophet asked me, “Are you satisfied?” I said yes, so I left.
Source: Sahih Bukhari 907
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Bukhari


Observation
The Hadith was edited to make Aisha look bad

Bunder Janab and Soja_ Bhagwaan are liars and Fitna khors and they will stoop at the gutter level to discredit 1,2,3 and Aisha. This is because their inbred hatred for 123+Aisha and worship of Panjatans.
By doing this, these Haram Khors do not realize that they are questioning judgement of The prophet.

She has been promised Junnah by Prophet.
It is you, Bunder and Soja 2 shayateen who should be worried about their fate.
Subhan Allah. May allah curse those who manipulate his words and the traditions of his prophet (saw).
(1) When someone is in disagreement with act of other then the former turn his face from later. Why Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. turned his face other side?

(2) Muslim First wrote that Bukhari wrote, "Abu Bakr came and spoke to me (to Aisha) harshly, saying, “Musical instruments of Satan near the Prophet?”"

'Etc', who per them is "Rightly Guided" most likely cannot err in presence of his son-in-law and Prophet of Islam s.a.w.w. while while firing anger against her daughter! So either 'Etc' is "Wrongly Guided" i.e. speaking lie or that lady was playing instrument of Satan near Prophet s.a.w.w. as per 'Etc'.

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:42 am

He was not born rightly guided you moron. He learned from the prophet (saw) for 23 years before he became rightly guided. Here, the prophet (saw) is guiding him to the right path!!

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Unread post by badrijanab » Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:53 am

Anajmi bhai alias Moron ji,


Why was she playing "Musical instruments of Satan near the Prophet"? What this reflect about her attitude towards Satan vis-a-vis Allah?

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:10 am

I will answer your question if you acknowledge that according to you, Abu Bakr is rightly guided and knows more than the prophet (saw). The prophet (saw) was listening but didn't know it was an instrument of Satan, until Abu Bakr showed up. So Abu Bakr knows more than the prophet (saw) according to you!!