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Answer to very important Question

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Unread post by incredible » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:06 am

what is the way of salat according to QURAAN?



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This is one of the favourite questions asked by those who follow hadith as a second source of law besides the Quran. It is essential before we answer this question that we determine whether we believe God or not.

"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?" 6:114

The above words confirm that all the details of our religion are found in the Quran which is confirmed to be "fully detailed" and that we should not accept any source of religious laws other than the Quran. We also read in 6:38 that nothing has been left out of the book, and in 16:89 that the Quran offers explanation to all things. Do we believe God that the Quran has all the details? The majority of Muslims will say: "yes, but ......"

This reply urges us to read 6:114 again! Do we see the word "but" in the text? The answer is no! God does not accept "ifs" and "buts"! We either believe God unconditionally or we are kidding ourselves. So we decide (God willing) to believe God and search for all the Salat details in the Quran.

As soon as we start our Quranic search we are faced with a problem! Many of the details of Salat which we were taught all our lives cannot be found anywhere in the Quran! We do not find the number of raka in the Quran. We are not told in the Quran how many times to wash our hands or face in ablution. We are not told how many times we should say "Allahu Akbar" in our Salat ... etc. Then how can we say that all the details are in the Quran?

The hadith advocates immediately pounce and deliver their famous comment: "you see! the Quran does not have all the details"! So where do we go from here? It seems that we have to decide between one of the following options:

1- The Quran does not have all the details, God is not telling us the truth in 6:114, 6:38 and 16:89!

2- The Quran has all the details. These details are not in the Quran because they are not authorised by God, and thus they are not part of Islam.

We can search for a third option, but there is no third option unless we incorporate one of the words "if" or "but"! Due to our unconditional belief in the words of the Quran, we decide to accept option number 2 above. This impels us to accept all the Quranic details for Salat to be the only lawful details required and authorised by God. We must also reject all details which we cannot find in the Quran, no matter who preaches them or where they came from. These additional rituals can only be corruptions that were added to the religion sometime after the death of the Prophet. The examples are many: The 24434 format for the number of raka, the 8 or 9 steps of ablution (when the Quran authorises only 4 steps in 5:6), the five prayers (when God authorised only three Salat by name), the commemoration of Muhammad and Abraham (and their families and companions) when God commanded us to observe the Salat to commemorate His name alone (20:14, 6:162), all these are examples of non Quranic rituals that have never been authorised by God.

This alerts us to what God says about those who uphold rituals which were never authorised by God:

"Or do they have partners (with God) who legislate for them religious laws which were not authorized by God? If it were not for a preordained decree, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed the transgressors shall have a painful punishment." 42:21

So what does the Quran say about Salat and how it can be conducted?

In simple words, the following acts define the the Quranic Salat:

1- Wudu (ablution) as decreed in 5:6
2- Face Mecca as Qiblah (direction of prayer) as in 2:144
3- Commemorate the name of God alone in prayer (6:162, 20:14)
4- Use Quranic words and not words from any other source, this is the message of 29:45
5- Stand, then bow then prostrate in that order while commemorating God.
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Re: Answer to very important Question

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Unread post by incredible » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:07 am

Please read further with understanding...


What is the definition of Al-Salat (Contact Prayer) in the Quran? How should we observe our prayers and is the Salat practiced today by millions of Muslims in agreement with what the Quran dictates?

In accordance to 6:114 we must accept the Quran as the only source of law:

"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has brought down to you this book fully detailed?" 6:114

God asserts that the Quran is fully detailed and contains everything for our salvation:

"We did not leave anything out of the book" 6:38

"We have brought the book down to you to provide explanations for all things" 16:89

"......He has brought down to you this book fully detailed" 6:114

In spite of these clear Quranic words, it is sad that most Muslims still claim that the Quran does not include everything and that the Quran alone is insufficient. They are arrogantly arguing against God just as God describes them in the verse:

"We have cited in this Quran every example for the people, yet the human being is most argumentative." 18:54

They will say that the Quran speaks of the headlines only and that the details are to be found only in the hadith!

Note the words "all things" in 16:89 means all matters, big and small alike. The words "fully detailed" in 6:114 simply means that the Quran contains all the details. It is necessary here to explain exactly what is meant by saying that the Quran contains all the details. The followers of hadith claim that the hadith contains many details that are not to be found in the Quran. This is quite true, however the absence of these details from the Quran is not because the Quran is not fully detailed, but because these details were never decreed by God. The Quran contains all the details that are sanctioned by God and for which we will be held accountable to. The followers of hadith have a wide collection of books which they highly cherish and which contain all sorts of ridiculous details to say the least. The following verse includes a mockery and a warning against such acts of idolatry:

"Or do you have some book in which you are studying? Do you have in it whatever you choose?" 68:37-38

Consequently, and in accordance with 6:114 and other similar verses, all guidance will be derived from the Quran and nothing else.

http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/ ... 1192).html

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:09 am

So according to you, the teachings of the prophet (saw), with respect to Salaah, can be safely ignored right?

Thank you for clarifying your deen. We will try to ignore it.

By the way, everything you have stated can be very easily countered. For eg. what if each person decided to pray a different number of rakat? How do we then pray as a congregation? But I won't go into further detail because it would be a waste of time.

Here is your ayah of today

2:3 Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what we have provided for them.

Do you know the meaning of "establish prayer"? How do you "establish" prayer? Check a dictionary.

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Unread post by Yusuf » Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:08 am

Traditional Muslims conduct their Salat in units which they call ‘raka’. One raka is a cycle of standing, bowing and prostrating. They also follow a strict format for the Salat which is 24434. This means that the first of their Salat (Fajr) has 2 raka, the second of their Salat (Zhohr) has 4 raka and so on. We don’t find this format, nor any other format, in the Quran. In addition, the word raka itself is not found in the Quran.

The Quran gives us the following assurances:

"Should I seek other than God as a source of law when He has brought down to you this book fully detailed?" 6:114

" .... nothing has been left out of the book" 6:38
Many who doubt God’s assurance that the Quran has all the details (6:114) and that nothing has been left out of the book (6:38) always pose the following question:

“If the Quran has all the details as you claim, then can you show me where do we find the number of raka in the Quran?”

To start, the fact that the Quran has all the details is not a claim which we make, but an assurance given by God in the Quran. What they do not realise is that their question (above) endorses a clear admission that they do not believe 6:114 and 6:38!
Indeed the Quran does not have any number of raka, but it is not because the Quran does not have all the details, but because the concept of raka itself is not authorised by God.
The Quranic Salat is simply made up of standing, bowing then prostrating in that order. This means that as soon as prostration is made, the Salat is complete.
To observe one sequence of standing, bowing and prostrating does not mean that the Salat will be reduced to a very short time either! Not at all, those who observe Salat are free to spend as much or as little time in each of the three positions. One can stand in prayer for two minutes, twenty minutes or for any duration of time. The same can be said of bowing and prostrating.

Some have also suggested that in 4:101 God gives us the concession to shorten our Salat at times of war or danger, as a result they claim that the Salat must be made up of at least 2 raka since it is not possible to shorten one raka!
Once again, the error in their interpretation is because they chose a starting point (number of raka) which is not a Quranic concept, thus their result is also un-Quranic.
Shortening the Salat is related to the overall time that is given to the Salat and not to the number of units (raka) observed. How can it be related to the number of units (raka) when the whole concept of raka is not Quranic?
What this means is that if we normally spend 10 or 15 minutes in our Salat, at times of war this can be shortened to only a few minutes. In all cases, the Salat would still be comprised of standing, bowing then prostrating.

In addition, we are given Quranic evidence in 4:102 that prostration marks the end of the Salat. The words in 4:102 which speak to the prophet (or to any leader of the Salat at times of war) say:

“And if you are among them and you lead the Salat for them, let a group of them stand with you and let them hold on to their weapons. Then once they have prostrated let them be positioned behind you and let another group, who have not yet observed the Salat, observe the Salat with you while remaining cautious and while holding on to their weapons.” 4:102

The words “once they have prostrated” are very clear and they indicate that as soon as any group has prostrated, this would mark the end of their Salat. Note that God never said that they should prostrate a number of times, nor did God say that they should stand and repeat the cycle. A clear Quranic proof that the Salat is complete after the first prostration.

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Unread post by Yusuf » Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:10 am

anajmi wrote:So according to you, the teachings of the prophet (saw), with respect to Salaah, can be safely ignored right?

Thank you for clarifying your deen. We will try to ignore it.

By the way, everything you have stated can be very easily countered. For eg. what if each person decided to pray a different number of rakat? How do we then pray as a congregation? But I won't go into further detail because it would be a waste of time.

Here is your ayah of today

2:3 Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what we have provided for them.

Do you know the meaning of "establish prayer"? How do you "establish" prayer? Check a dictionary.
Anajmi you are still an Idiot, so I will suggest you to just read more and more and not to offer any suggestions regarding Quraan or Sunnah.

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:24 am

Yusuf FKA incredible
Anajmi you are still an Idiot, so I will suggest you to just read more and more and not to offer any suggestions regarding Quraan or Sunnah.
You have to learn some good manners brother. When you insult one brother it is quite possible you will get kick in Ass.

Quran is supreme and Sunnah (Teaching of prophet) is next.
Any method of worship (Physical and text you recite) cannot violate commands of Allah (as detailed in Quran).

Now study "Prophet's prayers"
(The Prophet's Prayer (saws), http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/prayerprophet.htm )
Study and see if it violates Quran

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:34 am

Sorry link do not work

Try this PDF link

http://islam114.com/main/wp-content/upl ... See-It.pdf

Or this abridged PDF version
http://istaba.org/books/albaaneeprayer.pdf

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:34 am

To start, the fact that the Quran has all the details is not a claim which we make, but an assurance given by God in the Quran.
:mrgreen: "Don't blame me, blame God. I am just trying to save my ass"
Indeed the Quran does not have any number of raka, but it is not because the Quran does not have all the details, but because the concept of raka itself is not authorised by God.
So this moron has understood the Quran better than the prophet (saw) who gave us the concept of "raka"?

Enough said. Admin, time to get this moron to change his id one more time. :wink:

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:53 am

"Should I seek other than God as a source of law when He has brought down to you this book fully detailed?" 6:114
This ayah is referring to the law. What is right and what is wrong. The moron posts it in the wrong context.
" .... nothing has been left out of the book" 6:38
Half ayah again quoted out of context.

Here is the full ayah - And there is no creature on [or within] the earth or bird that flies with its wings except [that they are] communities like you. We have not neglected in the Register a thing. Then unto their Lord they will be gathered.

How many birds and creatures have been mentioned in the Quran? All of them? Of course not. The book referred to over here is not the Quran, but the book of which the Quran is a part.

Here is the problem, these people are half baked morons who takes pieces from here and there and find room to wiggle out of praying 2 raka of salaah.

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:06 pm

Now, let us look at 4:101.

And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer, [especially] if you fear that those who disbelieve may disrupt [or attack] you. Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy.

This ayah is talking about shortening of prayers. How does one shorten a prayer? It can be shortened only if one thinks of it as being longer in the normal context. What would be the normal context? Let us say "Yusuf" normally prays for 20 mins and "incredible" normally prays for 40 min.

Let us say they are both visiting khandhar. They are getting attacked by the taaliban. Both are scared for their lives. The enemy will be able to attack them in 15 mins. Yusuf shortens his prayer to 10 mins and escapes. incredible shortens his prayer to 20 mins and is beheaded. But wait, what if incredible shortens his prayer to 10 mins too? So Yusuf cut his prayer in half and incredible cut it in quarter. Can you imagine if instead of two morons, there were many more like "labbaikyahussain", "sufisaint", "ala moron" etc etc?

I say, screw them all. Throw them all under the bus. Let us go and understand how to pray from the prophet (saw) and not from these bunch of nitwits.
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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:10 pm

Now, let us look at 4:102.

And when you are among them and lead them in prayer, let a group of them stand [in prayer] with you and let them carry their arms. And when they have prostrated, let them be [in position] behind you and have the other group come forward which has not [yet] prayed and let them pray with you, taking precaution and carrying their arms. Those who disbelieve wish that you would neglect your weapons and your baggage so they could come down upon you in one [single] attack. But there is no blame upon you, if you are troubled by rain or are ill, for putting down your arms, but take precaution. Indeed, Allah has prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment.

Here, the prophet (saw) is leading the prayers. Hmmm, if the followers were people like "labbaikyahussain", "incredible", "Yusuf" and "ala moron", can you imagine the confusion that would ensue? one would pray for 2 mins, one would pray for 60 seconds, the other one would be running out for his life in 10 seconds. How does one lead a time shortened prayer with this bunch of nitwits?

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:39 pm

Yusuf/incredible etc. etc.
Consequently, and in accordance with 6:114 and other similar verses, all guidance will be derived from the Quran and nothing else.

http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/ ... lat_(P1192).html
Link you posted is not complete, please post it again.

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Unread post by silvertongue » Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:42 am

All this clearly states that You guys who simply talk about all these arguments are clearly wahabis or creating doubts in your own gifted religion. Of course questioning is allowed but.. for the sake of knowledge. I feel pity on all of you, that you simply forgot the words of Prophet Mohammed (P.b.u.h) :

A narration attributed to Yazid b. Hayyan reports:

I went along with Husain b. Sabra and 'Umar b. Muslim to Zaid b. Arqam and, as we sat by his side, Husain said to him: Zaid. you have been able to acquire a great virtue that you saw Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) listened to his talk, fought by his side in (different) battles, offered prayer behind me. Zaid, you have in fact earned a great virtue. Zaid, narrate to us what you heard from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). He said: I have grown old and have almost spent my age and I have forgotten some of the things which I remembered in connection with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), so accept whatever I narrate to you, and which I do not narrate do not compel me to do that. He then said: One day Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up to deliver sermon at a watering place known as Khumm situated between Mecca and Medina. He praised Allah, extolled Him and delivered the sermon and. exhorted (us) and said: Now to our purpose. O people, I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah's call, (would bid good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the members of my household I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family. He (Husain) said to Zaid: Who are the members of his household? Aren't his wives the members of his family? Thereupon he said: His wives are the members of his family (but here) the members of his family are those for whom acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. And he said: Who are they? Thereupon he said: 'Ali and the offspring of 'Ali, 'Aqil and the offspring of 'Aqil and the offspring of Ja'far and the offspring of 'Abbas. Husain said: These are those for whom the acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. Zaid said: Yes."

Sunnis tend to view this as Sahih and have included it in Sahih Muslim.


Still you go on finding and searching.. If you apart these two. You will be lost. Its that simple.

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:11 pm

silvertongue,

You don't understand do you? The family of the prophet (saw) has been dead for 1400 years. How could he leave them with us?

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Unread post by Muslim First » Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:46 pm

anajmi wrote:silvertongue,

You don't understand do you? The family of the prophet (saw) has been dead for 1400 years. How could he leave them with us?
Obviously

A: 1000+ year old 12th imam or
B: Imam in hiding of Bohras or
C: Aga Khan

Which one is yours Silver?

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Unread post by silvertongue » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:18 am

anajmi wrote:silvertongue,

You don't understand do you? The family of the prophet (saw) has been dead for 1400 years. How could he leave them with us?
The Imam in the line continues. Thats my belief. And if some one doesnt believe then may Allah give him guidance. And if you ask me which Imam to follow right now. Well I would follow once he is Zahir. Coz I am damn sure that he is definitely not like Dais of Bohri or the current Imam of The Aga Khans... and obviously not a millenium old like other shias...

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:03 am

So as of right now, since there is no Ahlul Bayt in the open, the saying of the prophet (saw) that he is leaving two things with us, one of them being Ahlul Bayt (according to you), is a lie right?

By the way, the king of Jordan is a direct descendent of the prophet (saw) according to his family tree posted somewhere on this board. Maybe he is your Imam!!

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Unread post by silvertongue » Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:06 am

Who said theres no Ahlul Bayt? The Imam being in Seculsion follow the teachings mentioned in the books by the Imams.. And you will find many.. And if you still doubt the books.. Stick to the Quran. And again the same story begins.

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:09 am

So the prophet (saw) left the Ahlul Bayt and then the Ahlul Bayt left books for you?

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Unread post by silvertongue » Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:18 am

whats ur point ? Again instead of useless comments. Atleast post something good. or else dont.. At all. Or i could explain in you mother tongue if ur having problems with my english here. Books are for you and your kind who always needs all those references. Who always keeps asking wheres this written and whats the proof. What I believe is simple. I am a bohri and I have faith in my actions and belief of what I do. I only have issues with the practices of current Dai.. Thats All..

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:27 am

whats ur point ?
My point is simple. Where is the Ahlul Bayt that the prophet (saw) is supposed to have left with us? I am not interested in their books. I have seen one book called khutbatul bayan and have shown that it is a piece of garbage filled with shirk and I assume the others will probably be the same. I have books which are much better.

So, where are the Ahlul Bayt? King of Jordan is an Ahlul Bayt. Is he your Imam?

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Unread post by silvertongue » Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:04 am

So, where are the Ahlul Bayt? King of Jordan is an Ahlul Bayt. Is he your Imam?
Lollz.. I dont even know his name.. As I said before the Imam is not Zahir. Thats what I believe and all the muslim awaits the Mahdi. And if that imam is Mahdi then so be it. I have no issues with that. And as i mentioned earlier, I am a bohri so my practices are same like other bohris, except feeding uselessly to the Jamaat and kothar. Rest I am happy with my life and Thankful to Allah for making me a part of his religion and giving the love for Ahlul Bayt in my heart.

Jazakallah.

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:00 pm

Lollz.. I dont even know his name
Precisely. You seriously think that there are no Ahlul Bayt around the world today. I am sure if we start digging we will find the descendants of Ali and Fatima all around the world. Which one are you waiting for? Why wait for one that is not there? The prophet (saw) told you he was leaving them with us. Which means you have to follow one that is there and not one that is hidden.

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Unread post by silvertongue » Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:08 am

Thats my belief and I am not changing it here. End of topic id say. As for you.. May Allah show you the true path. Coz except you the whole muslim community in the world awaits the Mahdi. Let him be Zahir. We all muslims are waiting for that day to come.

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Unread post by anajmi » Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:34 am

Thats my belief and I am not changing it here.
That is your problem, not mine.
May Allah show you the true path.
So if Allah is going to show me the true path, can he show it to me without relying upon a hidden Imam? Or does Allah also have to wait for the Imam to become Zahir before he can show me the true path?

What are you guys smoking?

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Unread post by alwan » Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:35 am

anajmi wrote:
Lollz.. I dont even know his name
Precisely. You seriously think that there are no Ahlul Bayt around the world today. I am sure if we start digging we will find the descendants of Ali and Fatima all around the world. Which one are you waiting for? Why wait for one that is not there? The prophet (saw) told you he was leaving them with us. Which means you have to follow one that is there and not one that is hidden.
You have to understand that in the shia doctrine, only chosen direct line among the descendants of Ali and Fatima can be Imams.

For a bohra, like silvertongue

1. It can not be 1000+ year old 12th Ithnashari imam because he descended from Musa Kadhim and not Ismail
2. It can not be Aga Khan because he descended from Nizar and not Mustali
3. It can not be King of Jordan because he descended from Hassan and not Hussein.

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Unread post by silvertongue » Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:14 am

The thing is.. I am waiting for the Zahoor of Imam like every other Muslims.. Not just from the bohri concept. Whosoever it may be He will be from Aal e Mohammed (p.b.u.t). Doesnt make any difference whether be a mustali, nizari whoever. Finally all the muslims are gonna follow one single Imam after the zahoor. Its useless to discuss about these issues. And people like anajmi.. Well, i dont like to abuse others and the way he talks is completely offensive to anyone who reads his post. But as a Follower of the Ahlul Bayt il just smile on you brother.. :-) Good Luck.

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Unread post by anajmi » Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:11 am

I am waiting for an Imam who is 11ft tall and can shoot bolts of lightning from his ass.
I am waiting for the Zahoor of Imam like every other Muslims
Don't kid yourself. Other than misguided people like yourself, no one is waiting for the Zahoor of Imam. Do not confuse your hidden Imam with Imam Mahdi. Imam Mahdi isn't going to reveal anything that the prophet (saw) hasn't already taught. You should try and read books other than Khutbatul bayan.

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Unread post by alwan » Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:14 pm

anajmi wrote:I am waiting for an Imam who is 11ft tall and can shoot bolts of lightning from his ass.
I am waiting for the Zahoor of Imam like every other Muslims
Don't kid yourself. Other than misguided people like yourself, no one is waiting for the Zahoor of Imam. Do not confuse your hidden Imam with Imam Mahdi. Imam Mahdi isn't going to reveal anything that the prophet (saw) hasn't already taught. You should try and read books other than Khutbatul bayan.
that's what i was about to tell him (except about the shooting of the bolts).

He is confused with the "Imam of the Time" with "Imam Mahdi".

Muslims are expecting Mahdi during end of the times but are not waiting/looking for him.

Since this a bohra site, his fellow bohras should be correcting him about the bohra faith.

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Re: Answer to very important Question

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Unread post by anajmi » Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:57 pm

that's what i was about to tell him (except about the shooting of the bolts).
:D Have you seen the movie "Braveheart"? In that William Wallace has been fighting a covert war with the English for some time. One day, he makes an appearance on the battlefield in front of his countrymen about to go into battle with the British Army.
He announces - "I am William Wallace".
One of the soldier in the army says - "You can't be. William Wallace is 7 feet tall".
To this Mel Gibson's William Wallace responds - "Yes, I've heard. Kills men by the hundreds. And if HE were here, he'd consume the English with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.! I am William Wallace."