Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sun May 04, 2014 9:39 am

Muslim First wrote:
What is the proof that Bukhari has not forged the hadith above? No proof, he could have forged and he has forged.
BJ
Question Hz Bukhari RA was Masoom or not does not arise at all.
Hz Bukhari was scholar who collected Ahadith from many.
He scrutinized them to best of his ability and judged them in different categories.
Even one hadith has different wording since they came from different sources. He recorded all kind of Ahadith.
No body has accused him to be forgerer except some imbecile like you.
There is still scholarly work going on scrutinizing Ahadith.
Imam Albani RA's work is good one.
From the "many" that he collected hadith - who will vouch they are speaking truth?

What those "many" spokes - who will authenticate that Bukhari wrote it correctly and fully, and not took a part here and there to justify his Abbasid aaqa's?

Abbasi caliph made him added (forged) hadith to legitimatise their caliphate as Islamic rules!!!

What shame and tinyful brain is of yours - that you consider Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. as fallible and your Bukhari & Muslim work as infallible!!!!

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun May 04, 2014 10:03 am

Actually, Bukhari is infallible so everything he wrote is authentic. And he is infallible because everything he wrote is authentic.

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sun May 04, 2014 10:09 am

anajmi wrote:Actually, Bukhari is infallible
Moorkhanad, I am also telling the same = You and alike consider Bukhari & Muslim as infallible and Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. as fallible!!!!

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun May 04, 2014 10:11 am

I know you are telling the same. I am just repeating it. So you and I agree that Bukhari is infallible. Thanks.

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sun May 04, 2014 10:55 am

anajmi wrote:I know you are telling the same. I am just repeating it. So you and I agree that Bukhari is infallible. Thanks.
I and you are agreeing that Sunni believes that Bhikhari and Muslim per Sunni are infallible.

Shameless and intellectually baimaan are feeling happy in elevating their Bhikhari and Muslim over Prophet s.a.w.w. They don't feel shame in contending that Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. was fallible and their fraudster were infallible.

All like you (non-Bohras) who branched out of Islam are blot on Islam.
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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun May 04, 2014 10:56 am

Bukhari is infallible. Case closed.

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sun May 04, 2014 10:57 am

anajmi wrote:Bukhari is infallible. Case closed.
Bukhari is Infallible, and Propher Mohammed s.a.w.w. is fallible per Sunni's. Not per Islam. Case close.

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun May 04, 2014 11:01 am

King Abdullah is progeny of Prophet Mohammad (saw). He is appointed by Allah. He is Sunni. So Sunnis are right. Case closed.

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sun May 04, 2014 11:08 am

anajmi wrote:King Abdullah is progeny of Prophet Mohammad (saw). He is appointed by Allah. He is Sunni. So Sunnis are right. Case closed.
Intellectually Baimaan and bewaqoof Anajmi, thanks for acknowledging that you and alike are misguided.

FYI: Lier are cursed in Quran by Allah. And your lie in red above qualifies you for same.

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun May 04, 2014 11:54 am

Actually, I am speaking the truth. One can become a progeny of Prophet Mohammad (saw) only by the appointment of Allah. Any aira gayra nattu khayra like you cannot become progeny of Prophet Mohammad (saw).

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by shehzaada » Mon May 05, 2014 1:17 am

May Allah guide us to path of ahlebayt which is nothing but puritanical Quran and Sunnah, I hope people here would stop conditioning their egos for following their forefathers

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by morela » Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:10 am

@silveronge do read the main post here


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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by morela » Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:37 pm

Jazakallah

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by silvertongue » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:18 am

Here we go again... :-p

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by silvertongue » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:26 am

When will you guys understand that not everything is mentioned in Bukhari and Muslim. Iev even read where some guy made Bukhari a masoom.. Since when did Bukhari became greater than Ahlul Bayt. Anyways, the point is no matter how much we fight and waste our time this debate is useless coz sunnis wont accept the word Maula as master and Shias wont tolerate Sunnis. Finally reaching to no conclusion at all, let us utilize our time in productivity instead of filling our brains with hatred to one another.. Coz this has no end whatsoever.

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by morela » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:46 am

Nobody says Bukharin is exhaustive or infallible. Only shias say...

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by silvertongue » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:39 am

Shia dont even follow Bukhari, Why would someone say that Lolz.

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by morela » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:51 am

No I have seen ISNA a sharia mullahs quote bukhari even for non polemic purposes purposes

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by feelgud » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:04 am

bukhari DOES contain some of the hadith from shia narrators.
in the begining both Sunnis and shias prayed together in the same masjid,share same ustad's as their teachers and both honored their scholars till the political differnces were deliberately transformed into differences in 'faith'.

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by silvertongue » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:07 am

Hmm.. I guess the differences credit goes to Maulanas of today. Coz i have pics of my father praying with his sunni frnds in the same White Topi which sunnis wear today. Well, quite a big change to look different from the rest.

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by morela » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:50 pm

I really cant stop laughing when I hear , frantic abdes shout "Mola Mola" being away from bohradom now I really miss those moments of laughter.

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by silvertongue » Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:02 am

A guy started praising and chanting all the mojezas and kadambosi stuff and I was like man i gota get out of here.. Lolz.. was really a headache man.

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by morela » Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:50 am

for me its just too funny to see humans displaying such "Mola Mola" fever

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by JC » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:22 am

Maula, Maula ................ Ganpati Baba Maurya ..........

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by morela » Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:16 pm

Ya Mola has become like ganpati.

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by araz5253 » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:09 am

@KA2786 I found that this has been discussed here already , please have a read.

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by topiwala » Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:43 pm

But the point is we dont believe in your hadiths.

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:31 pm

topiwala wrote:But the point is we dont believe in your hadiths.
But Bohras do quote some of their hadiths if it suits them and is in line with their agenda ! In simple language it is called "Cherry Picking".

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Re: Is "Man Qunto Mawla" a statement of succession?

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Unread post by araz5253 » Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:41 am

Correct , Ironically this Man Qunto Mawla is only found in Sunni hadith! I am yet to find a Shia Hadith containing this statement. One must commend the collectors of sahih hadith that they were faithful and honest.