zahir batin taweel was adopted from parsis?

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phdguy
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zahir batin taweel was adopted from parsis?

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Unread post by phdguy » Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:16 am

After much research I was able to dig up the most classical works of Imam Gazali wherin he had replied to the Batiniyya thought, Ismaili fatimids being one of them. Although this article is not for the novice faint hearted but the ones who have studied the Ismaili esotericism and Taweeli malpractices will appreciate this.
Quoting some relevant paragraphs :
Explanation of the Reason Which Led Them to Institute This Propaganda (Zaahir Baatin ) and to Elaborate This Innovation
27 All the transmitters of views agreed that this propaganda was not initiated by anyone belonging to a religion or believing in a creed and supported by a prophetic mission, because its course is being gently pulled from religion as the hair is gently pulled from the dough [?]. Rather a group of the Zoroastrians and the Mazdakites and a gang [party] of the godless dualists and a large band of the godless early [?] philosophers deliberated and actively devoted their individual reasoning to finding [devising, contriving] a measure [plan] which would relieve them from what had befallen them of the domination of men of religion and give them a respite from the distress which had come over them from the power of the Muslims. So they gagged [held] their tongues from speaking of what their belief was-viz. denying the Maker and branding the Apostle with lying [or: calling the Apostle a liar] and rejecting the Assembling and the Resurrection and the return to God at the end of the affair.
28 They alleged: After we have come to know that all the Prophets are swindlers and cheats, because they enslave men by what they make them believe through different sorts of legerdemain and shrewd analysis [cf. Dozy under Zaraq-Sabiyya usage]-and the matter of Muhammad has become grave and his call has spread in (all countries, quarters) and his rule has become widespread and his means and might are well organized. As a result they [Muslims] have possessed the property of our forebears and abandoned themselves to a life of luxury in their governments [administrative districts], disdaining our minds. Indeed they have covered the face of the earth in its length and its breadth. There is no hope of opposing them by a fight. The only way to make them forego what they have made up their minds about is by cunning and guile. Were we to address to them a call to our doctrine, they would rage against us and be unable to listen to us. So our way is to take over the creed of a group from their sects [a group] who are the feeblest in minds and the most fatuous in individual reasoning and the most pliable in disposition to accept absurdities and the most compliant in believing embellished lies-and these are the Rafidites(Shia).
29 We shall strengthen our position by affiliating with them and by tracing our descent to the people of the [Prophets] house to avoid their evil [i.e. their being against us], and we shall ingratiate ourselves with them by that which suits their character, viz. the mention of the great injustice and terrible humiliation effected against their forbears. We shall pretend to weep with them over what befell the family of Muhammad-Gods blessings and peace be upon him!-and thereby we shall succeed in denigrating the leaders of their forbears who are their model and pattern. The result will be that, once we have made the circumstances of their [forbears] repulsive in their eyes, and also what their Law transmits to them by the transmission and report of those [forbears] the door of recourse to the Law will be closed [or: hard] for them and it will be easy for us to entice them into being stripped of [forfeiting, losing] religion. If there then remains among them anyone holding fast to the literal meanings of the Quran and unimpeachable Traditions, we shall suggest among them that those literal texts contain secrets and inner meanings, and that the mark of the stupid man is being deceived by their literal meanings and the sign of acumen [intelligence] is believing their inner meanings. Then we shall communicate to them our beliefs, alleging that they are what is meant by the literal meanings of the Quran. Then when we have duped [read: makarna] these, it will be easy for us to entice the rest of the sects after joining [siding with] these [Rafidites] and pretending that they support us.
30 Then they said: Our method will be to choose such a man as will help us in our doctrine. We shall claim that he belongs to the People of the House [Muhammads family], and that all men must swear allegiance to him and are bound to obey him, for he is the Caliph of the Apostle of God and preserved from error and slip by help from God Most High. [p. 20] Moreover we shall not make this propaganda known near to the vicinity of the Caliph whom we have characterized with infallibility, because the proximity of his abode might rip apart these veils. But if the distance be remote and far away, then when will the one who responds to the propaganda be able to investigate his condition and to get to know the reality of his real situation?
31 Now their aim in all that was power and domination and making free with the wealth and women of the Muslims, and revenging themselves on them for what they believed about them and for what they had over taken them of pillage and bloodshed and had poured upon them of various kinds of misfortune. This, then, is their ultimate aim and the fundamental principle of their affair. The confirmation of that will become clear to you through our clear exposure of the evils of their teaching and the infamies of their creed.

Source:
http://www.ghazali.org/works/bati.htm

salaar
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Re: zahir batin taweel was adopted from parsis?

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Unread post by salaar » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:39 pm

one has to concentrate reading such article well keep on looking for more of ghazalis work its good for you phewwwwwwww

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Re: zahir batin taweel was adopted from parsis?

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Unread post by Kaka Akela » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:44 pm

Isn't gazali a Sunni Aalim who is anti-Shia so what would he know about batin or taweel?

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Unread post by monginis » Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:45 pm

its a fact that all religions have some kind of similarity with each other and they are interlinked in some ways.

and the last religion is ISLAM till QAYAMAT.

phdguy
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Unread post by phdguy » Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:54 am

No gazali wrote many treatises refuting this zahir batin conspiracy of the fatimids , his works had a far reaching influence on the fatimids to the extend many fatimids and proponents of zahir batin propoganda embraced Quran and Sunnah to the extent they became an ignorable minority.

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Unread post by shehzaada » Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:45 am

gazali has written many other works on Ismaili fatimid traditions many have been lost . I suspect some of them may have been preserved in the some Ismaili library and not yet disclosed.

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Unread post by shehzaada » Sun May 04, 2014 5:48 am

@badribhai, do read this too

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Re: zahir batin taweel was adopted from parsis?

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sun May 04, 2014 6:27 am

shehzaada wrote:@badribhai, do read this too
I have read all and punctured all air from you, will do same to this article too. But you were unable to counter the factual truths I enlightened to you all blinds and intellectually dishonest.