Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Apr 26, 2014 12:16 pm

Shezaada Saheb
let me know what is the Status of Imam Ali (A.s) in your belief and according to the Fiqh you follow ?
He has a higher status amongst Ahl - e - Sunnah than you people. They do not attributes lies to him or for him. They do not need to falsify evidence to raise his status to that of a deity and they do not need to display hatred towards the great companions of the prophet (saw) and his wives who Allah himself has deemed the mothers of all believers.

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by Nietzsche » Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:17 pm

Was it part of God's plan to have people incessantly argue about the "correct" religion? Muslim vs. Christian, Muslim (sunni) vs Muslim (shia), Shia (agha khan?) vs Shia (bohra), Bohra (alavi, sulemani) vs Bohra (dawoodi), Dawoodi (Muffaddal) vs Dawoodi (Khuzaima). Honestly, you guys should check out Buddhism or something less prone to endless arguments.

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:04 pm

You mean the kind of Buddhism that exists in Burma? You should check it out.

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by shehzaada » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:08 am

Buddhism itself has multiple sects.And they are highly contradictory with each other. The fact is truth is one irrespective of religion etc and the ignorant are the ones who think that only because lakhs of people claim to be truth , it is truth.

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by salaar » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:42 pm

BAKKAR HO KE ZIBAH NA HO OUS BAKKAR PE LAANAT.............BUDHA HO KE UMER CHUPAY OUS UMER PE LAANAT...........PAAN KHA KE MAAN NA DE OUS-MAAN PE LAANAT

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by shehzaada » Sun May 04, 2014 12:45 am

@badrjanabdo read this main post

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sun May 04, 2014 3:46 am

shehzaada wrote:@badrjanabdo read this main post
Shehzaada,

How will you or anyone like you will prove that all that is written in Bukhari and Muslim is totally correct?

Were duo 'masoom'? No. They are subject to all human errors and weakness, thus they are subject to mistakes in their work. Now which part of their work is correct and which not? No one can tell, so everything of their work is subjected to 'doubtfulness', "shaq".

Who authenticated their work is correct? Their is no authority among Sunni's beginning from 1/2/3 till date to authenticate Bukhari & Muslim or any other hadith books.

Hence, all what you wrote in praise of 1st from Bukhari, Muslim, etc are all forged, fake and made up false hadiths; thus, your first and all posts are pack of lies and unbelievable.

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sun May 04, 2014 8:17 am

badrijanab wrote:
shehzaada wrote:@badrjanabdo read this main post
Shehzaada,

How will you or anyone like you will prove that all that is written in Bukhari and Muslim is totally correct?

Were duo 'masoom'? No. They are subject to all human errors and weakness, thus they are subject to mistakes in their work. Now which part of their work is correct and which not? No one can tell, so everything of their work is subjected to 'doubtfulness', "shaq".

Who authenticated their work is correct? Their is no authority among Sunni's beginning from 1/2/3 till date to authenticate Bukhari & Muslim or any other hadith books.

Hence, all what you wrote in praise of 1st from Bukhari, Muslim, etc are all forged, fake and made up false hadiths; thus, your first and all posts are pack of lies and unbelievable.
And where is authentication of Gaib Imam, hiding Imam, Hazir Imam etc etc

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sun May 04, 2014 9:26 am

Muslim First wrote:
badrijanab wrote: Shehzaada,

How will you or anyone like you will prove that all that is written in Bukhari and Muslim is totally correct?

Were duo 'masoom'? No. They are subject to all human errors and weakness, thus they are subject to mistakes in their work. Now which part of their work is correct and which not? No one can tell, so everything of their work is subjected to 'doubtfulness', "shaq".

Who authenticated their work is correct? Their is no authority among Sunni's beginning from 1/2/3 till date to authenticate Bukhari & Muslim or any other hadith books.

Hence, all what you wrote in praise of 1st from Bukhari, Muslim, etc are all forged, fake and made up false hadiths; thus, your first and all posts are pack of lies and unbelievable.
And where is authentication of Gaib Imam, hiding Imam, Hazir Imam etc etc
Your own Bukhari & Muslim vouch the fact that Imam Mehdi a.z.s. will come from the progeny of Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. daughter Fatima a.s. - his forefathers have to be have at this present time otherwise how will he born! And to pass him authority of Imam his forefather at this present time have to be Imam, one cannot give the thing that one doesn't own. So you see besides Fatimi Dawat (Islam) books your own Bukhari & Muslim authenticate and vouch for Imam a.s. of present time via Imam Mehdi a.z.s.

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun May 04, 2014 10:14 am

As I have said elsewhere, King Abdullah of Jordan is a descendant of the prophet (saw). And so are all the people who call themselves Syed. They are not hidden and Imam Mehdi will be from these brave people who do not hide when things get rough, not from some hidden Imam who has been hiding for centuries.

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sun May 04, 2014 11:20 am

Progeny of Ali a.s. should hold the religious status of "Imam" else they cannot grant same to their successor.

Your spritual leaders King Abdullah, Yazeed and Osama bin Laden do not hold title of that particular "imam" which is conferred over them by those sons of Mola Ali a.s. who hold that religious title.

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun May 04, 2014 11:56 am

If someone is in hiding, how can he be conferred the title of Imam? Imam of what? trees and animals? Ab apni bakwas bandh kar bewaqoof.

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sun May 04, 2014 2:07 pm

anajmi wrote:If someone is in hiding, how can he be conferred the title of Imam? Imam of what? trees and animals? Ab apni bakwas bandh kar bewaqoof.
Imam a.s. is hiding from the people in general but not from his missionaries. Same like Mohammed s.a.w.w. hidden his complete identity for 2/3 of his life from people in general, despite his hidden status Allah has conferred Prophethood on him. By the same token an Imam in concealment confer his successor with Imam under the gathering of his missionaries.

Prophet s.a.w.w. on the ground of Gadeer-a-Khum has declared that "Haw will follow Ali" and has not said vice-a-versa. So all what Mola Ali a.s. says and does is Haq, and he chose his successor Imam Hasan a.s. who by being choice of Mola Ali a.s. too is Imam-a-haq. This "haq" is only bestowed on Ameer-al-Mumineen Mola Ali a.s. and not on 1/2/3.

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sun May 04, 2014 3:48 pm

BJ
By the same token an Imam in concealment confer his successor with Imam under the gathering of his missionaries.
Just like SMB conferring Nass on Muffadal

BJ Janaab
Kis khayal me soye huve go?
1000 saal se ye missnery kyo Gawahi nahi dete ke hum hazzir the, Nass ke waqt .
Aap itne buddhu ho ke bachho jaise baate banate ho.
Aaj kal to cell phone sab ke paas hote he. Kyo complete silance.

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by chocoman » Tue May 06, 2014 8:06 am

^^^ jaahil gawaar

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by morela » Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:16 am

silvertounge:

Jubair bin Mutim Radhiallohu ‘anhu narrates that a woman came to the Prophet Sallallohu alaihi wasallam who ordered her to return to him again. She said, “What if I came and did not find you?” as if she wanted to say, “If I found you had passed away” The Prophet said, “If you should not find me, go to Abu Bakr.”
(Bukhari)

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by JC » Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:34 am

Badrijanab kee suee 1/2/3 par he atkee huwee hay ........... 1/2/3 .............. 1/2/3 .................... 1/2/3 .................. cannot move to 4 ............. :lol:

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by JC » Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:37 am

Badrijanab style argument ...................... God is hidden, and so is His Imam ............. :roll: :( :cry:

So if God could stay hidden, why not Imam?? If God is there, Imam is there ........ :wink:

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by morela » Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:01 am

Good

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by khokawala » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:10 am

@munira rv\badri :

Jubair bin Mutim Radhiallohu ‘anhu narrates that a woman came to the Prophet Sallallohu alaihi wasallam who ordered her to return to him again. She said, “What if I came and did not find you?” as if she wanted to say, “If I found you had passed away” The Prophet said, “If you should not find me, go to Abu Bakr.”
(Bukhari)

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:06 am

first of all this hadith is not sahi according to ur science.
even if prophet said that it meant abubakr was gud for nothing just idlying time and hanging near prophet doing nothing. so he was the always near by so he would know where prophet is . so the woman should ask him where the prophet is,? while ali is busy doing the real work

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by JC » Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:11 pm

qutub_mamajiwala wrote:first of all this hadith is not sahi according to ur science.
even if prophet said that it meant abubakr was gud for nothing just idlying time and hanging near prophet doing nothing. so he was the always near by so he would know where prophet is . so the woman should ask him where the prophet is,? while ali is busy doing the real work
So if Abu Bakr was doing nothing and was just hanging near Prophet, WHAT was Prophet doing when was hanging around?? If Prophet was doing 'real work' would he not ask Abu Bakr to do the same and help him?? Or you mean Prophet just 'tolerated' him around doing nothing while he was doing his work for 'hikmat' and 'taweel'?? Secondly if Abu Bakr would 'always' know WHERE Prophet was and what he was doing, don't you think it is a positive sign that Prophet trusted him so much and had confidence that Abu Bakr will always know about his whereabouts?? In fact, I would conclude that he was a 'real' companion of Prophet.

I have NO doubts in Ali and the work he did; he is one of the great Islamic Leaders!

Last thing; assume Prophet would have taken Ali's name instead of Abu Bakr ............ how would you have interpreted then?? Just a hypothetical argument.

Conclusion: Do not be biased ........... give the credit where due.

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by khokawala » Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:05 am

mamaji has become athiest it seems as he is unable to digest the truth and does not want to leave the status quo.

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Re: Virtues of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (AS)

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Unread post by KA786110 » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:52 am

This adulation of Abubakar, Umar and Usman so is manufactured. Yes they were among early muslims but not very first ones. Also if they had true and staunch imaan they would have accepted and obeyed Prophet's(pbuh) last message at Ghadir-E-Khum.