"WAHABISM EXPOSED!"

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"WAHABISM EXPOSED!"

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Unread post by shehzaada » Sat May 03, 2014 1:11 pm

"WAHABISM EXPOSED!"

In the first half of the twelfth century (Hijra) the Islamic World had reached its extreme decline, degradation and utter fall. The atmosphere was very gloomy and darkness had covered all its regions. Moral degradation and corruption was rampant everywhere. As for religion it was decadent as everything else. The pure and austere monotheism (TAWHEED) of the Prophet (sal) had become corrupted with the burgeoning growth of superstition and mysticism. The mosques stood empty, unfrequented and even deserted. The ignorant multitude decked out in amulets, charms and rosaries listened to and blindly followed squalid faqeers and ecstatic dervishes. These men urged them to perform pilgrimages to the tombs of Saints and seek their intercession with Allah. As for the moral precepts ordained by the Qur’an they too were ignored as well as defied. Even the consumption of intoxicants and opium were well nigh universal. In all certainty the life had been bulldozed out of Islam, leaving behind naught but a dry husk of meaningless ritual and degrading superstition.

The period of the Pious Predecessors being already passed, innovations and superstitions cropped up and vastly mushroomed. The people went back to their old practices of idolatry. They started paying homage to shrines and graves, so much so that they even directed their devotional prayers and supplications towards the graves to the exclusion of Allah. They gave precedence to the philosophical views and taqleed (blind following) over the Sunnah. They divested Allah of His essential attributes by making false interpretations on the Qur’anic texts.

But, all praises to Allah, no generation, persistently beset with innovations and abominable Shirk was ever devoid of sincere reformers who revived the faith to its pristine purity. In such darkest hour, a voice came crying out of the vast Arabian desert, the cradle of Islam, calling the faithful back to the true path, the one and only way - the Qur’an and the Sunnah. That was the great Mujaddid and puritan reformer, the celebrated Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, who kindled a fire, which spread and engulfed the remotest corners of the Muslim World, purging Islam of its decadence and reviving the fervor of days gone by. The morning of reformation had dawned and the great re-awakening of the Islamic world had begun.

This peaceful, religious, revivalist movement of the Sheikh was obnoxious to the Turks and others for more reasons than one. They tried to crush this movement by force. They even killed some of the leaders, but could not destroy the movement outright. The movement lived on and is now growing all over the world. Everywhere in the Muslim world we are witnessing, the raising of the banner of Tawheed and the revival of the Call to the Qur’an and Sunnah.

All around the Muslim world, we see some Muslims, individually and collectively proclaiming the Call to Tawheed and the return to the Qur’an and Sunnah in the face of opposition by the ‘Saint-worshippers’, `Grave-worshippers`, `the Sufis’ and the ‘Tariqat followers’. These deviant groups all purport or make the false claim to be Ahl us Sunnah wal Jam’aah and label the true callers to The Sunnah as `Wahhabis’

In view of the ignoble and false propaganda mounted against the reformatory movement of Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahhab and the derogatory use of the word `Wahhabi’ for the movement ant its followers, we will Insha Allah in the course of this booklet, give a short account of the important events of his life and salient features of his creed and of his works.


HIS LIFE STORY
Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahhab ibn Sulaiman ibn Ali ibn Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn Rashid al Tamimi was born in the year 1115 A.H.(1703 C.E.) in ‘Ayina to the north of Riyadh, in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia during the reign of Abdulla ibn Muhammad ibn Hamd ibn Muammar. He excelled over his contemporaries in intelligence and physique and was able to commit the Quran to memory by the time he was ten years old. His father found him capable of leading the congregational prayers and decided to get him married that year.

He studied the Hanbali Jurisprudence, Tafsir and Hadith from his learned father. During his childhood itself, he directed his full attention to the books on Tafsir, Hadith and Aqidah and particularly to the writings of Sheik al Islam Ibn Taimiya and Ibn al Qayyim and made a deep study of them.

He left his native town to perform the Hajj and then proceeded to Madinah. At that time Sheikh Abdullah bin Ibrahim ibn Saif belonging to the progeny of Saif Najdi was chief of the scholars of Madinah. Sheikh Muhammad acquired a good deal of knowledge from him and came to be loved and held in high esteem by his teacher. His strong stand on Thawheed and his deep concern over false beliefs and evil deeds brought about a strong bond between the Sheikh and his teacher. He was so impressed by his student that Sheikh Abdullah granted him permission of narrating well-known hadiths of two of the authorities. Firstly on the authority of Ibn Muflih reporting from Sheikh Ibn Taiymiyyah and reaching up to Imam Ahmad. Secondly on the authority of Abd al Rahman bin Rajab, reporting from Ibn al Qayyim who narrated it from his teacher Sheikh ibn Taiymiyya reaching up to Imam Ahmad. Sheikh Abdullah also authorized him to narrate all the traditions reported by Sheikh Abd al Baqi Hanbali, the chief among the great teachers of his time. He also authorised him to narrate the traditions of the Sahih of Bukhari and the traditions of the Sahih of Muslim and commentaries of both, the Sunan of Tirmidhi, Nasa’ai, Abu Dawud, Ibn Maajah, the Muwatta of Imam Malik and the Musnad of Imam Ahmad.

During this time he came to know and benefited from the knowledge of other scholars such as Ali Afendi Daghastanee, Ismaeel Ajluni and others. Then he moved on to Nejd, Basra and Syria for the purpose of acquiring further knowledge. He stayed for a long time in Basra, where he pursued his studies under a number of renowned scholars, among whom Sheikh Muhammad Majmui was most prominent. During this time he compiled and published many valuable books on the topic of innovations, superstitions and the supplication to the dead ones in the graves. He supported his treatises with manifest evidence from the Quran.

The adherents of falsehood defamed, tortured and turned him out of Basra. They also persecuted his teacher Sheikh Majmui. He left for the town of Zubair in the scorching heat of the summer and was almost dying of thirst, when Allah sent to him a man called Abu Hamidan. He found the Sheikh to be a man of learning and righteousness. So he mounted him on his animal and took him to Zubair. Sheikh Muhammad thought of going to Syria to quench his thirst for more knowledge, but soon fell short of provision and was compelled to return to Nejd. He arrived at Ahsa and stayed with the Sheikh Abdullah ibn Abd al Latiff Shafi’i and studied under him.


UN-ISLAMIC PRACTICES OF THAT TIME.
Sheikh Muhammad then went to Harimala, a village of Nejd because his father had transferred there and stayed with him. He devoted himself fully to the learning of Tafsir and Hadith, particularly the works of Skeikh ibn Taiymiyyah and Sheikh ibn Qayyim. This immensely increased his knowledge and insight and infused in his heart a spirit of determination and steadfastness. With his deep insight he could visualize all the un-Islamic notions and corrupt practices prevailing in Nejd and the countries he had visited. Even in Madinah, he saw people invoking the Prophet (sal) and making supplication to him. He decided to disseminate the True message of Islam throughout the Arabian Peninsula.

The Sheikh found that Nejd was infested with corrupt beliefs and religious practices repugnant to the fundamentals of the True Religion. There were a number of graves in the Nejd area which were attributed to some of the Companions of the Prophet (sal). People visited these graves and invoked them for help in their hour of need. In Jubila they visited the grave of Zaid ibn Khattab and seeking relief for their needs. In Manfuha, people sought mediatiothrouga male palm-tree believing that a spinster, who pays a visit to it, soon gets married.

In Dariya there was a cave which people frequented. Similarly there was grave of Dirar ibn al Azwar in the valley of Ghabira. It was the same story as in Basra and Zubair where people worship idols of the pre-Islamic period. A similar sad state of affairs prevailed in Iraq, Syria Egypt and Yemen.

He compared all these practices in the light of the Quran and the practices of the Prophet (sal) and his Companions and found them far removed from and inconsistent with the religion and spirit of Islam. This was the sorry state of affairs not only with the people of Nejd but of other places as well, in the Muslim world.


CALL FOR REVIVAL OF PURE MONOTHEISM
The Sheikh found that the people had abandoned their faith, and the more he studied their deviations, the firmer he grew in his conviction and determination that Muslims should inevitably change themselves and tread the path of the Pious Predecessors. The hadiths of Prophet (Sal) say as follows:

`You must necessarily tread the path of those who lived before you’.
`The last hour shall not come, until some of the people of my Ummah begin to worship idols.’
`Islam was born a stranger and shall return as a stranger in similar manner.’
Sheikh Muhammad had by now resolved to publicly declare unto his people that they had gone astray from the right path.

He started with his call to the people in the town of Harimala, and made it clear to them, that he called them only unto Allah. He reminded the people that everything should be for Allah alone and that they should give up their wrong beliefs and practices. This naturally led to a dispute and struggle with the people and even with his father, who had been led away by the false sayings of the deviated followers.

The Sheikh continued to pursue his cause undeterred by making speeches, writing as well as practically guiding the people. Eventually a good majority of his people accepted his views. His father and brother Sulaiman too were convinced after prolonged discussions. In the year 1153 A.H. his father Abd al Wahhab passed away.

After the death of his father the people openly accepted the call of the Sheikh and forsook their false notions. They responded to the call for a return to the Sunnah of the Prophet (sal) both in words and deeds.

During this time his town was dominated by two tribes both claiming leadership but none able to take full control and maintain justice. These tribes were in the practice of keeping slaves and indulged in every mischief and sin. When the Sheikh thought of admonishing them, they got wind of it and set upon him but were prevented by the timely action of some good people.

The Sheikh left Harimala for his native town Aiyna, where his forefathers once lived and ruled. Here he met one Uthman bin Hamd bin Muammar, to whom he explained his reformist movement based on the Quran and Sunnah. He explained the significance of Thawheed and how much the beliefs and actions of the people differed from the true path. He told Uthman that if he would uphold the cause of Allah and his word, he would soon come to the leadership in Nejd and crowned with eternal bliss.

Uthman responded readily to the Sheikh’s call. Here again the Sheikh urged the people to return to the worship of Allah only (Thawheed) and a strict adherence to the Sunnah of the Prophet (sal). The Sheikh managed to cut down trees that were being worshipped in the area. He succeeded with the help of Uthman, in bringing down the dome over the grave of Zaid ibn al Khattab. He also carried out the prescribed punishment for adultery on a woman who had confessed to it.

The Sheikh and his message came to be widely known, and his reputation spread far and wide and it also reached Sulaiman bin Muhammad bin Urai’ir, the Governor of Ahsa and the children of Khalid. This impudent and ignorant man sent a letter to Uthman bin Muammir saying, “this man who is with you is saying this and did that, and when you receive this letter slay him, if not we shall withhold your kharaj (revenue} which is with us in Ahsa.” This was a tricky situation for Uthman. To oppose Urair was too much for him. Fearing this threat and weak in his faith ibn Muammar ordered the Sheikh to be banished from his town.

The Sheikh left the town on foot escorted by a horseman through the desert in the scorching sun, with only the thought of Allah, until he reached Dariya as the guest of Abd al rahman bin Suwailim. Through ibn Suwailim most of the prominent people of Dariya came to know of the Sheikh. They visited him in secret and he explained to them the real meaning and the significance of Thawheed. Among those who visited the Sheikh were the two brothers of Prince Muhammad bin Saud. These two brothers after much discussion and tutoring by the Sheikh were enlightened. They explained to their brother prince Muhammad that Sheikh Muhammad was staying with Ibn Suwailim and that he was a blessing from Allah sent to them. They urged the prince to meet the Sheikh.


PRINCE MUHAMMED BIN SAUD ACCEPTS THE SHEIKH
Prince Muhammad accepted the suggestion and met the Sheikh. He invited the Prince to Thawheed saying that it was the message, with which all the Messengers were sent by Allah. He also drew the attention of the Prince to the polytheistic practices and notions prevalent among the people of the Nejd. He wished that the Prince should assume leadership of the Muslims. The prince acceded to the wish of the Sheikh and offered him all help and assistance to carry out his task. He also promised to adhere to the Sunnah of the Prophet (sal) to command the good and to prohibit the evil.

After the Sheikh had settled at Dariya, people began to throng to him from all sides even claiming kinship and accepting his Call. In the meantime Uthman ibn Muammar who exiled the Sheikh from his town came to know of Prince Muhammad’s acceptance of Sheikh Muhammad and his message. Now Uthman very much regretted what he had done to the Sheikh.

Uthman ibn Muammar, accompanied by a large delegation came to Dariya and called on the Sheikh to tender their apologies. They requested the Sheikh to come back with them. He replied that it depended entirely on the wish of Prince Muhammad. Prince Muhammad refused to accede to their request and Uthman and his followers went back disappointed.


SHEIKH GAINS A FOLLOWING
Now people came in large numbers to the Sheikh, seeking pure knowledge without the adulteration of fables and falsehood. He explained to them the real meaning of “La ilaaha illallah” and its significance. He stressed the importance of the negation of all false deities and the affirmation of Allah and his attributes.

The Sheikh communicated with people of other cities and invited them to accept his call and join his movement in order to eradicate Shirk and all its abominable practices.

Some accepted while others rejected and some even ridiculed him and accused him of sorcery. He continued with his mission undeterred. The opponents exerted their utmost to rally their forces to destroy this nascent movement by any or all means. Sheikh Muhammad and the Prince had no alternative but to resort to the sword to defend this movement. This war went on for many years and village after village fell to the new alliance. Some opponents voluntarily began to accept them when they realized the true nature of the movement.

All the efforts by the misguided group to rally their forces to destroy this nascent movement by any means miserably failed. After the conquest of Riyadh in 1187 A.H. the Sheikh entrusted the governing of the people to Prince Abdul Aziz bin Muhammad bin Saud and devoted his time to worship, learning and teaching. Prince Muhammad and his son Abd al Aziz always consulted him before they undertook anything and he gave his ruling. After an arduous struggle and having reached his goal he passed away in Dhul Qa’dah of 1206.


BOOKS WRITTEN BY SHEIKH MUHAMMAD
The Sheikh was the author of a number of books, prominent among them being the celebrated KITAB AL TAWHID, which needs no introduction. The other books are Kashf al Shubuhat, Thalabat al Usul, Mukhtasar al-Sal-Nabawiyyah, Mukhthasar al-Insaaf, the Sharh al-Kabir fi’l Fiqh, the Nasihat al-Muslimin bi-ahadite Khatam al-Nabiyyin, Kitab al-Kabair, Ahadith al-Fitn and several other treatises and most of them were pertaining to the topic of Tawheed.

It is mentioned in the work Unwan al-Majid that the Sheikh had many pupils amongst whom were his sons who later became eminent scholars. His four sons Hussain, Abdullah, Ali and Ibrahim established schools close to their homes and taught the young students from Dariya and other places. The fifth son had not studied under him and had died in his youth.

Some for the students who benefited from his knowledge and rose to the position of Qadis and Muftis are as follows:

Sheikh Abd al Aziz bin Abdullah al Hussein al Nasim who was a Judge in the territory of Al Washm.

Sheikh Said bin Hijji who became Judge of Hauta of Bani Tamim,

Sheikh abd al Rahman bin Nami, who became Judge of Aiyna

Ahsa, Shaikh Ahmad bin Rashid al-Uraini the Qadi of Sudair.

The most notable student was Sheikh Muhammad bin Ibrahim bin Abdul Latiff bin Abdul Rahman bin Hassan who was the grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia.


A SUMMARY OF THE STRUGGLE OF SHEIKH MUHAMMED
Due to the Sheikh’s strong views on Tawhid he was a controversial figure throughout his life and after his death to this day. We will reproduce here some of his communications and excerpts of treatises he had written for the benefit of the readers. Here is what he wrote to al-Suwaidi one of the scholars of Iraq in reply to his letter:

“From Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab to his brother in faith Abd al-Rahman ibn Abdalla- Peace be upon you and also the Mercy and the Blessings of Allah. To continue: I am pleased to receive your letter. May Allah make you one of the leaders of the pious people and also one of the missionaries calling people to the Religion of the Chief of the Messengers. I would like to inform you that I am by the Grace of Allah a follower of the Pure Religion and not a Mubtadi(Innovator). My Creed and Religion with which I obey Allah is the same Madhab as that of the Ahl al-Sunnah wal Jama’ah and as that held by the leaders of the Muslims such as the four celebrated leaders of law and their followers till the day of resurrection.

However, I have laid emphasis on faithfulness and sincerity in following the Religion of Allah. I have asked the people not to invoke the living and the dead from among the saintly and pious people seeking help. I have also advised them to avoid committing acts of SHIRK (associating other objects in the worship of Allah) while offering devotion to Allah in such matters like slaughtering for sacrifice, making vows, trusting in anyone or in Sujood (Prostration) and such other matters which are exclusively reserved for Allah alone. None is to be taken as a partner unto Allah may he be an angel or a prophet commissioned by him. It is he alone that all the messengers from the first to the last were ordered to obey and worship. This is the Madhab followed by the Ahl al Sunnah wal Jama’ah.

I have also told the people in clear words that the first and the earliest of people who introduced acts of SHIRK were the Rafidah (Shia extremists) who invoked Ali and others, seeking help for their needs and to rid them of their afflictions.

I hold an office in my town where people listen to me and obey me. This was disliked by some of the chief magnates of the town as what I said was against their traditions. I lead the people in the stipulated prayers and induce them to pay their Zakat and to perform other acts of devotion to Allah. I forbade them to indulge in RIBA, in drinking wine and all other intoxicants. The people opposed these corrupt leaders and rose against them. This is the Thawheed I have been commanded to preach. These mischievous magnates of the town began to ascribe different kinds of fabrications to me. The mischief flared up and they attacked us with all the armies of Satan, the cavalry and the infantry. They allege that I branded all the people as `Kaafirs’ except those who follow me and that I have solemnized their marriages in a wrong and illegal manner. I wonder how a sane man can think of and say such silly things. I however, declare myself free from such calumnies in the presence of Allah. Such talks can only emanate from the mentally deranged. In short whatsoever is mentioned about me- except that I invite them to Thawheed and prohibit them from committing acts of Shirk, is absolutely false.”

MATTERS TO WHICH THE SHEIKH INVITED THE PUBLIC AND WHICH GOT HIM INTO DISPUTE WITH SOME OF THE ULEMAS:

1.Tawhid al-Ubudiya-
He explained to the people that Ibadah is nothing but exclusive obedience to Allah and compliance with His commands. This is a comprehensive term for everything that Allah loves and such words and deeds He is pleased with. The forms of Ibadah (Worship) which are to be offered to Allah alone are many, such as Salat (Prayers), Saum (Fasting), Zakat and Sadaqah, slaughtering of sacrificial animals, tawaf and invocation. He said that anyone who happens to direct any of these acts to anyone other than Allah becomes a Mushriq as Allah the Exalted says:

“ And whoever invokes (or worships) besides Allah any other ilah (god) of whom he has no proof, then his reckoning is only with his Lord. Surely Al-Kafirun (the disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah polytheists, pagans idolaters etc.) will not be successful.” Al Quran 23:117

2. Tawassul –
This means a fervent plea and is of two types: the permitted and the prohibited. The permitted one is by means of faith and righteous deeds and the Glorious Names of Allah and his attributes. The prohibited one is entreaty using the name of the Messenger, pious people and saints. Here is what Allah the Exalted says:

“O you who believe! Be mindful of your duty towards Allah and seek the means of approach and strive in His cause as much as you can so that you may be successful.” Al Quran5:35

3. Journeying to Mosques on Pilgrimage -
He asked the people not to undertake any pilgrimages to mosques other then the three mosques as given in an authentic hadith.

“Do not undertake a journey but to the three mosques - the Sacred Mosque Makkah) my mosque (Madinah) and the further Mosque (Al Aqsa).”

4. Construction over graves, covering and decorating them etc. -
The Sheikh openly declared that to construct buildings over the graves is unlawful. So is to shroud the graves with beautiful coverings and decorating them. It is prohibited to burn candles over the graves or to set up stone inscriptions. He also declared that it is illegal to have custodians and caretakers of shrines. Visiting such places tantamount to idol worship and can lead to other prohibited actions such as kissing them and going round them. He supported his statements with numerous hadiths prohibiting such constructions, visiting them and praying in them. The Shaikh quoted the hadith of Abu ‘l-Hayyaj al-Asadi whom Ali ibn Abi Talib asked:

“Should I not commission you with a duty with which the Messenger of Allah had commissioned me-to leave no statue but to crush it, and no grave raised above the surface of the ground but to level it down?”

5. Unity with respect of the Holy Names and Attributes of Allah-
On this the Sheikh held the views of the Pious Predecessors and the four celebrated teachers of law and others who held the same view, namely the affirmation and recognition of the Names and Attributes of Allah without employing Tamtheel (finding similarity with Allah’s attributes) or Takeef. (e.g. To explain how Allah does some thing).

6. Innovations-
The Sheikh very much disliked and spoke out against innovations (Bida’) especially:

1. The celebration and holding of gatherings on the Prophet’s Birthday.

2. Making Dhikr and salawath before pronouncing the Adhan.

3. Verbally pronouncing the Niyyah (intention) particularly before Takbir Tahrim.

4. Recital of a hadith of Abu Huraira before the Khatib ascends the Minbar. (Pulpit)

The Sheikh also abhorred and condemned the innovated practices of Tariqas (Orders), Tawassuf (Mysticism) and other practices which have no authority or sanction eitfrom the Messenger (sal) or from the Companion(R.A). Several Ulema had compiled works on this subject even before Sheikh Muhammad such as Ibn-Waddah, al-Turthushi and al-Shatibi on these abominable innovated practices and heretical actions.

This is a short biography of the best of reformers and the greatest of Mujahids and a renowned scholar of Islam, whom Allah blessed with deep insight. This reform movement was initiated by Sheikh Muhammad and not by Sheikh Abdul Wahhab. The correct name for this movement should have been “al-Muhammadiya” and not “al Wahhabiya”. In the light of the above facts it is left to the reader to judge whether the Sheikh initiated a new madhab or was reviving the deen of the Prophet (sal), his noble companions and their successors.

Indeed all Praise and thanks be to Allah the Exalted, who has graced us with the favor of preparing this life sketch of the Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab. May Allah be merciful to him and Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon Muhammad (sal) upon his family, all his noble companions and their successors until the last day.


Read Also Sheikh Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab great book :
Kitaab At-Tawheed Audio Lectures

The Movement of Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Wahhaab

Imaam Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab - His Life and Mission

A Correction Of Misunderstandings Found In Non-Arabic Sources about the Movement Of Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul Wahhab

Who are the Wahhaabis and what is their message?

Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab, His Life, Story and Mission by Jamal Zarabozo (PDF Book)

Advice to those who do not recognize the Salafi scholars and call them Wahhaabis


The 'Wahhabi' Myth- Dispelling Prevalent Fallacies and the Fictitious Link with Bin Laden
http://www.sultan.org/articles/wahabism.html



salaar
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Unread post by salaar » Sat May 03, 2014 2:54 pm

you have chosen the right forum to propagate your wahabism, taking advantage of the current bohra troubles, venom is most effective when the victim is weak.



Spectator
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Unread post by Spectator » Sat May 03, 2014 8:32 pm

Mr. Shehzaada I just wish you would find another forum to propagate your Wahabbi beliefs. I doubt anyone visits this forum to learn about wahabbism and there are numerous other forums that people can visit if they had some curiosity about it. But this is definitely NOT that forum! I come across some of your Wahabbi-inspired posts and I'm like 'not again'. I just skip the diatribe on those types of posts! I personally do not agree with Wahabbism which considers all other Muslims as heathens and themselves as puritans. Just like abde bohras believe that they are the chosen ones and have the monopoly on heaven. It is the Wahabbi inspired Saudis that bulldozed the graves in jannatul baqi and now prevents people from doing ziyarat in baqi of personalities like Moulatena Fatema. If I want to go and kiss the graves of panjatan, who are they wahabbis to tell me that I should not? And what right have they got to get rid of places of Islamic history? Why cannot we as human being live and let live? Why cannot we respect all religions? Please note I am a bohra female and am married to a Sunni.



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Unread post by Sufi monk » Sat May 03, 2014 8:37 pm

anajmi is one of these morons, and the way he degrades shaan of Prophet(s) in each of this posts clearly shows wahabis are enemy of ISLAM and they should be kicked out of ISLAM asap.



Spectator
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Unread post by Spectator » Sat May 03, 2014 8:54 pm

I have a Sunni friend you follows Sufism. During a discourse she highlighted that in India many Sunni Sufis visit graves of Sufi pirs in a similar fashion to bohras doing ziyarats of dais etc. She is appalled by how Wahhabis are hell bent on stopping 'grave-worshipping' as they call it. Perhaps some people do indeed worship the graves. However, for me it is more about paying respects at the grave and in my view there is absolutely nothing wrong with that!



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Unread post by shehzaada » Sun May 04, 2014 12:30 am

Ahle Bayt visited graves and its a sunnah to visit graves which are sharia compliant (legal) and not graves which have been raised and structures built over it . The ONLY purpose for Ziyarat of graves is remembrance of hereafter. THE PROBLEM IS MAKING STRUCTURES OVER THE GRAVE , IF YOU MAKE STRUCTURE OVER THE GRAVE THEN IT BECOMES LIKE AN IDOL. Prophet pbuh instructed hazrat Ali A.S TO demolish all illegal graves which were raised above the 4 hand level. Prophet advised to visit graves so that we take ibrat from it that we have to die.The The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Visit the graves for they remind you of the Hereafter When visiting the graves, the Prophet used to teach the Sahabah (Companions of the Prophet) to say: As-Salamu ‘alaikum ahla ad-diyari minal-Mu’minin wal-Muslimin, wa inna in sha' Allahu bikum lahiqun, nas’alu allaha lana wa-lakum al-‘afiyah (Peace be upon you all, oh dwellers of the graves amongst the believers and Muslims. Truly, if Allah wills, we will join you. May Allah have mercy upon those who are already dead and those whom He gives respite. We implore Allah to grant well-being for both us and you).
By leveling the illegal graves we are making it sharia compliant , hence after leveling the graves one can go to the ziyarat of the grave and recite the above prophetic dua. Alhamdulillah the graves of hazrat fatema, imams a.s were made legal do the ziyarat. The illegal structures over the graves were built about 750 yrs ago while the best generation of islam passed away 1000s yrs ago. By making the ziyarat legal Allah swt immediately bestowed the land with black gold and increase in haj pilgrim which is continuing till this day. Places where still graves are illegal(shrines) like pakistan, india, yemen, syria etc are facing lot of fitna ,natural disasters and wrath of Allah swt for converting the graves of pious personalities like hazrat Ali a.s into illegal structures to earn money. You might see this ajmeri khawaja temple in india they make crores by commercially exploiting the saints final resting place similarly things are happening in Iran, pakistan.
Rasoolullah(SAW) said "Beware of those who preceded you and used to take the graves of their prophets and righteous men as places of worship, but you must not take graves as mosques; I forbid you to do that."
[Sahih Muslim 1:1083]
Rasoolullah (SAW) clearly made it haraam to his ummah to take graves as places of worship or put graves in the places of worship. Hence both building a mosque over a grave or putting a grave in a mosque both were made haraam by the Prophet(SAW).



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Unread post by Spectator » Sun May 04, 2014 4:38 am

That's all well and good. I still think it's abhorrent that they bulldozed the graves in baqi. Do you believe that this right? They are propagating their form of puritan Islam on the rest of the Muslims and anyone that does not aspire to their brand of Islam is an infidel. I am sorry but I just do not see any good in it. Moreover there are places of Islamic historical interest in SA which they have demolished to make room for luxury hotels and so on for the pilgrims and effect turn Makkah into a minuscule Las Vegas albeit with Kaabatullah as the focal point!



shehzaada
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Unread post by shehzaada » Sun May 04, 2014 7:48 am

They bulldozed the dargahs not the graves, which is the best thing to do and a Sunnah of Ali and Muhammad pbuh.

Dargahs are what a Mosque is not.

Dargah in indo subcontinent has taken the role of a Hindu pagan temple. Moreover making a dargah itself is haram both from sunni hadith as well as daimul islam. Hence demolishing the haram is good and we all should actively strive towards it.

Inshallah a day will come when Raudat Tahera , Khawaja Ajmeri temple etc all will be churned to ground with a manifest victory of Haqq.
Ameen.



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Unread post by salaar » Sun May 04, 2014 2:27 pm

inshallah you will go in your ditch with this wish in your heart



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Unread post by shehzaada » Sun May 04, 2014 3:02 pm

I strongly symphatise with you as I have myslef gone through this rejection of "wahhabi" doctrine , but after a careful and thorough examination of the content on both the sides as well as meeting some of their scholars and Isna asharis , I came to conclusion that the most ridiculed sect which all the unsaved sect share a common enemy with is actually the one on the prophetic methodology and is the promised sect that continues to exist since prophet's time. None of the jealousmongers were able to harm these people of Haqq , whereas these people of haqq have shaken their very cores and demolished people and idols whom they hold very close.

You see all the unsaved sects like barelvi, bohra, shia etc have fallen into Shirk and we know that shirk is the only crime which Allah does not forgive and I hypothesize that it is Shirk which unites all these unsaved sects. And they all have the common enemy which is nothing but the saved sect.

You push -pull do anything but finally all your amals would go to waste if you die believing in the unsaved sect. Hence I request you to please remove the specs of bigotry and embrace Quran and Sunnah and its people who are of the saved sect.



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Unread post by salaar » Sun May 04, 2014 3:29 pm

i understand your concern



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Unread post by shehzaada » Mon May 05, 2014 12:08 am

thanks



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon May 05, 2014 5:40 pm

shehzaada wrote:By making the ziyarat legal Allah swt immediately bestowed the land with black gold and increase in haj pilgrim which is continuing till this day. Places where still graves are illegal(shrines) like pakistan, india, yemen, syria etc are facing lot of fitna ,natural disasters and wrath of Allah swt
Bro shehzada,

I beg to differ on your above comments !! In my personal opinion, Saudi Arabia is flourishing ONLY because of the presence of Kaaba and the Holy Shrine of Prophet (s.a.w.) and because the Saudis are really taking good care of it as otherwise the wealthy sheikhs would have become paupers long time back due to their ayyashis which are so horrifying that it cant be spelled out openly on this forum. The rulers and their administration are one number womanisers who indulge in all sorts of haram activities including sodomy which is very rampant. They are people with double standards as they refuse to serve alcohol anywhere in Saudi claiming it to be anti-sharia but still one can get the choicest of whiskies in Aramco township in Saudi alongwith pork !! The effluent sheikhs have a separate hanger at Riyadh airport where Hollywood actresses and high profile prostitutes frequently land on weekends and are immediately whisked away in limousines to the Sheikh's palaces. Not too long ago these Arabs were seen in hordes in Mumbai's Colaba area which is notorious for prostitution, this trend stopped only after the post Babri Masjid demolition riots. FYI, The ruling family of Saudi traces back its lineage to Jews !!

You have highlighted their progressive side so now lets see their miseries too......... They are mere puppets of USA and dance to the tune of Bush and other western countries, infact Bush has huge financial interest in Saudi's oil refineries and reserves. Do you know that America has permanently deployed its soldiers in Saudi for so called safety reasons and the cost of which comes to almost 5 lakh dollars per soldier ! The US played this trick after Saddam Hussain invaded Kuwait and also dumped billions of dollars worth armaments many of which were obsolete and rusted. They are not independent as they can never go against the wishes of their masters sitting in USA.

If breaking graves and idols could invite prosperity then what about Afghanistan where the Bamyan statues were bombarded ? It is a known fact that Afghanistan is in the most pathetic state and just a couple of days back it invited the wrath of Allah (swt) when more then 2000 people perished in landslides.

Similar is the case of Iraq where inspite of having shrines of the most pious saints and torchbearers of Islam, the country is facing tremendous hardships. Iraq also has huge oil reserves which are second to Saudi Arabia. Whom do you blame here ?? The locals or the ex sunni government of Saddam Hussain ?? Here, in my opinion I would blame the shias who inspite of building beautiful mausoleums have shown scant respect for the same. Few may be aware that till few years back, the shias used to tie their sick brethren to Hazrat Abbas Alamdar's zari with the belief "Abbas Vakil" i.e. a faith that the holy soul would cure the sick by Allah's grace. It so happened that the terribly sick patients who were almost unconscious would even pass urine in a state of unconsciousness. This was an extreme 'Be hurmati' of the holy site. I have also seen people roaming with trays of "Cigarettes" in the sehan of Imam Hussain's roza and distributing it to the zayereens saying "Pray fateha" !! Iam not exaggerating but these are first hand reports during my visit to Iraq around 20 years back and hopefully the present situation could be different.

Hence, in a nutshell I would request you and others that please do not gauge your faith with the barometer of worldly pleasures because if that was the case then all the pious torchbearers of Islam would have been flushed with gold and precious stones and would be staying in palaces and riding on gold chariots. The so called worldly prosperity has nothing to do with true faith and Imaan as all these treasures will be left behind when we embark on our last journey towards Allah (swt) !!



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Unread post by Spectator » Mon May 05, 2014 6:48 pm

Bhai gm, thank you for pointing out the above. You have taken the words out of my mouth. The double standards in Saudi are rampant. I hope you consider this Shehzaada



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Unread post by JavedhJuma » Tue May 06, 2014 1:01 am

They bulldozed the dargahs not the graves, which is the best thing to do and a Sunnah of Ali and Muhammad pbuh
Can you please educate me as to which dargahs (were there dargahs during the time of the Prophet SAW?) Prophet Muhammad SAW and Mowla Ali AS bulldozed?



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Unread post by tasneempati » Tue May 06, 2014 4:04 am

This ugly guy named Shehzaada is agent of Pig Zakir. You ignorant if you ask anyone in world with sane mind they will tell you that it is Wahabism which has given bad name to Islam. Today all ills like - terrorism, Talibans, Al-Qaeda etc.etc. is offshoot of Wahabism. Those idiots who propogates Wahabism are destroyer of Islam.



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Unread post by Muslim First » Tue May 06, 2014 11:31 am

Can you please educate me as to which dargahs (were there dargahs during the time of the Prophet SAW?) Prophet Muhammad SAW and Mowla Ali AS bulldozed?
During Prophet's and Hz Ali's time Muslims dared not to build Dargah over anybodys grave. If Prophet was allive he would have not have permitted to build any building above heis grave. I bet Prophets grave is still has no pucca kabar on it. I do not know this is fact. But knowing Saudi regime, they would never do it.



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed May 07, 2014 6:28 pm

Mohammed Abdul Wahhab

The Turks had conquered Constantinople, now Istanbul, in 1453, establishing the Ottoman Empire, and had carried out significant expansions into Europe. However, by 1683, the Turks’ campaign against the Europeans was curtailed, when they were decisively defeated in Vienna. The Empire had reached the peak of its expansion. Nevertheless, the Empire continued to command significant amounts of territory, and still held sway in regions where the British colonialism was hoping to expand. Therefore, following their typical strategy of “divide and rule”, the British, through their Masonic agent, sought to undermine the Ottoman Empire from within, by pitting against their own brothers in Islam, the Arabs of the peninsula.

It was not legal in Islam for a Muslim to fight another Muslim. Therefore, in order to rile the Arabs against their Turkish brethren, it was necessary to first create a new interpretation of Islam that would sanction such murder, but under the guise of Jihad. This new interpretation came to be known as Wahhabism, and was founded by British agent, Mohammed Abdul Wahhab.

Mohammed ibn Abdul Wahhab was born in 1703, in the small town in a barren wasteland called Najd, in the eastern part of what is now called Saudi Arabia. Ominously, Mohammed, the prophet of Islam, had already refused to confer blessings on the region, claiming that from it would emerge only “disturbances, disorder and the horns of Satan”. Abdul Wahhab’s father was a chief judge, adhering to the Hanbali school of Islamic jurisprudence, traditionally prevalent in the area. Yet, both he and Abdul Wahhab’s brother, Sulayman, detected signs of doctrinal deviance in him from early on. It was Sulayman who would first come out with a lengthy denunciation of his brother.

Following his early education in Medina, Abdul Wahhab traveled outside of the peninsula, venturing first to Basra. He then went to Baghdad, where he married a wealthy bride and settled down for five years. According to Stephen Schwartz, in The Two Faces of Islam, “some say that during this vagabondage Ibn Abdul Wahhab came into contact with certain Englishmen who encouraged him to personal ambition as well as to a critical attitude about Islam.”[1] Specifically, Mir’at al Harramin, a Turkish work by Ayyub Sabri Pasha, written between 1933 and 1938, states that in Basra, Abdul Wahhab had come into contact with a British spy by the name of Hempher, who “inspired in him the tricks and lies that he had learned from the British Ministry of the Commonwealth

The details of this relationship are outlined in a little known document by the name of The Memoirs of Mr. Hempher: A British Spy to the Middle East, said to have been published in series in the German paper Spiegel, and later in a prominent French paper. A Lebanese doctor translated the document to Arabic, from which it was translated to English and other languages. The Memoirs outlines the autobiographical account of Hempher, who claims to have acted as a spy on behalf of the British government, with the mission of seeking ways of undermining the Ottoman Empire. Because, as recorded by Hempher, the two principal concerns of the British government, with regards to its colonies in India, China and the Middle East, were:
•1. To try to retain the places we have already obtained;
•2. To try to take possession of those places we have not obtained yet. For we are the sort of people who have developed the habit of taking a deep breath and being patient.

Hempher claims to have been one of nine spies sent to the Middle East for such a purpose. He reports, “we were designing long term plans to wage discord, ignorance, poverty, and even diseases in these countries. We were imitating the customs and traditions of these two countries, thus easily concealing our intentions.” The pretext Hempher was offered for his actions was:

We, the English people, have to make mischief and arouse schism in all our colonies in order that we may live in welfare and luxury. Only by means of such instigations will we be able to demolish the Ottoman Empire. Otherwise, how could a nation with a small population bring another nation with a greater population under its sway? Look for the mouth of the chasm with all your might, and get in as soon as you find it. You should know that the Ottoman and Iranian Empires have reached the nadir of their lives.

Therefore, your first duty is to instigate the people against the administration! History has shown that “The source of all sorts of revolutions is public rebellions.” When the unity of Muslims is broken and the common sympathy among them is impaired, their forces will be dissolved and thus we shall easily destroy them.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed May 07, 2014 6:38 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:The ruling family of Saudi traces back its lineage to Jews !!
British Ministry of Commonwealth managed to acquire for Wahhab the support Mohammad Ibn Saud, the Amir of Dariyah. It was agreed between them that, from then on, power would be held among their descendants, with the Saudis maintaining political authority, and the Wahhabis administering the cult. The Saudis are an important Illuminati family, being secret Jews, like their Doenmeh counterparts in Turkey. According to Mohammad Sakher, who was apparently ordered killed for publishing his findings, Ibn Saud, though pretending to defend the reforms of Abdul Wahhab, was of Jewish origin. In the fifteenth century, Sakher maintains, a Jewish merchant from Basra, named Mordechai, immigrated to Arabia, settling in Dariyah, where he claimed to belong to the Arabian tribe of the Aniza, and there assumed the name of Markan bin Dariyah.

The Aniza tribe, to which the Saudis belong, as well as the ruling Sabah family of Kuwait, originally issued from Khaybar in Arabia, and there are well documented traditions about descendants of Jews from the region, who were supposedly forcibly converted to Islam. More specifically, according to modern occult legend, the Aniza are regarded as being the source of the European Witch Cult, through the person of Abu el-Atahiyya. These legends were popularized by Gerald Gardner, the founder of the modern cult of Wicca. Gardner was also a close associate of Aleister Crowley, as well as a Co-Freemason, the irregular branch of French masonry, co-founded by Annie Besant, which admits women to the 33rd degree.

Gardner was also the friend and teacher of notorious charlatan Idries Shah, whose book on Sufism is disguised Luciferianism. Idries Shah described the “Maskhara” Dervishes who were also known as the “Revellers” and the “Wise Ones”, whose leader was Abu el-Atahiya. The name Aniza, he maintains, means goat and el-Atahiya was commemorated by the “Revellers” with the symbol of a torch burning between the horns of a goat, in obvious allusion to the Baphomet of the Templars. After Atahiya’s death, a group of his followers migrated to Moorish Spain

In the early eighteenth century, the Aniza had entered the Syrian Desert where they established themselves as a powerful and influential tribe. German traveller Carlsten Niebuhr referred to them in 1761 as the strongest tribe in the Syrian Desert. Today the Aniza remain one of the largest Arabian tribes, having branches in Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.

The Saudi family was primarily engaged in banditry. This pitted them in conflict against the Ottoman state. This, however, notes Schwartz, “also created a propensity for them to ally with the British, who were then taking control of the richer and more valuable parts of the Arabian Peninsula: the coastal emirates from Kuwait to Aden.”[11] By declaring them all apostates, in 1746, the Wahhabi Saudi alliance made a formal proclamation of “Jihad” against all who did not share their understanding of Islam, thus legalizing their former practice of pillaging.

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Thu May 08, 2014 8:06 am

so much for the wahabbis
shehzada and anjami etc
A court in Saudi Arabia has sentenced the editor of an Internet forum he founded to discuss the role of religion in the conservative Islamic kingdom to 10 years in jail and 1,000 lashes, Saudi media reported yesterday. Raif Badawi, who started the “Free Saudi Liberals” website, was originally sentenced to seven years in prison and 600 lashes in July last year, but an appeals court overturned the sentence and ordered a retrial. Apart from imposing a stiffer sentence on Badawi in his retrial, the judge at the criminal court in the Red Sea City of Jeddah also fined him one million riyals ($266,600).

Badawi’s website has been closed since his first trial. His lawyers said yesterday’s sentence was too harsh although the prosecutor had demanded a harsher penalty, Sabq reported. The ruling is subject to appeal.

The prosecution had demanded that Badawi be tried for apostasy, a charge which carries the death penalty in Saudi Arabia. The judge in last year’s trial had dismissed the apostasy charges. Badawi was arrested in June 2012 and charged with cyber crime and disobeying his father – a crime in Saudi Arabia. His website included articles that were critical of senior religious figures such as Saudi Arabia’s Grand Mufti, according to Human Rights Watch.

The world’s top oil exporter follows the strict Wahhabi school of Islam and applies Islamic law, sharia. Judges base their decisions on their own interpretation of religious law rather than on a written legal code or on precedent. Rattled by the uprisings that destabilized the Middle East in recent years, Riyadh intensified a crackdown on domestic dissent with arrests and prosecutions.

In April, prominent Saudi rights lawyer and activist Waleed Abu Al-Khair was detained incommunicado after appearing in court in Riyadh on sedition charges, according to his wife. Also in April, a Saudi court sentenced an unidentified activist to six years in jail on charges including taking part in illegal demonstrations and organizing women’s protests. Another was sentenced to three years in jail for spreading lies against King Abdullah and inciting the public against him. —Reuters
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Unread post by bohrabai » Fri May 09, 2014 1:22 am

A lot of slander and tale carrying is published all over the internet defaming so called "Wahhabis" , I think they are the true reformers and they are to Sunnis as how PDB is to Bohras. You will also see a lot of false information and conspiracy theories spread by kothar against the PDB.

The fact is that both PDB and "wahhabi" have lot in common than difference,
both being reformist and challenge priesthood ,
both call to return back to original scriptures,
both call for literally following the scriptures ,
both have caused major protest movement which has collapsed the corrupt machinery (PDB in udaipur) and wahhabis in saudi arabia and middle east.

Hence I think "wahhabi" is as a geniune movement as "PDB" and both have sincere intentions , its like how AAP is to India politics.



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri May 09, 2014 4:45 pm

Bro bohrabai,

The reason that wahabis are looked down upon by most of the Islamic sects and the world at large is because the likes of Talibans and others follow their ideology which is extremely violent and which has caused much mayhem in this world. No person in his right mind would ever believe that our Prophet (s.a.w.) preached such ideologies ever in his lifetime.



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Unread post by JavedhJuma » Sat May 10, 2014 1:18 am

Inshallah a day will come when Raudat Tahera , Khawaja Ajmeri temple etc all will be churned to ground with a manifest victory of Haqq.

Ameen
Does that include the Makabaras of Hazarat Abu Bakar and Hazarat Umar, and Rasul SAW in Medinah?



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Unread post by JavedhJuma » Sat May 10, 2014 1:56 am

Muslim First wrote:
Can you please educate me as to which dargahs (were there dargahs during the time of the Prophet SAW?) Prophet Muhammad SAW and Mowla Ali AS bulldozed?
During Prophet's and Hz Ali's time Muslims dared not to build Dargah over anybodys grave. If Prophet was allive he would have not have permitted to build any building above heis grave. I bet Prophets grave is still has no pucca kabar on it. I do not know this is fact. But knowing Saudi regime, they would never do it.
I have been to Medinah and Inside the Mosque and have seen Hazarat Umar's Makabara outside the mosque and Hazarat Abubakar's Makabara, if I remember clearly was inside the mosque. These are raised and covered with a cloth. Prophet's Makabara is inside the Mosque.

There were Askaris all over the place and asking people to move on and would tap your shoulder with a danda if you lingered to even offer Fateha. Friends of our returned last week from Medinah and said they are extending the mosque and they did see the Prophet's Makabara there. Ladies were not allowed to go thre but look at it from far. Same was the case when we went there about 19 years ago.

Anyway, my question to Shezaada was as to the Sunnah of the Prophet SAW which makabaras were destroyed, since, as you say, there were no makabaras at the time of the Prophet. Shezaada said, "the Prophet SAW and Hazarat Ali AS destroyed the makabaras. Whose makabaras were those?



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Unread post by bohrabai » Sat May 10, 2014 2:17 am

Makbaras were never allowed , those were built 900 years ago , a Bidah is a Bidah old or new.



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Unread post by bohrabai » Sat May 10, 2014 2:29 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:Bro bohrabai,

The reason that wahabis are looked down upon by most of the Islamic sects and the world at large is because the likes of Talibans and others follow their ideology which is extremely violent and which has caused much mayhem in this world. No person in his right mind would ever believe that our Prophet (s.a.w.) preached such ideologies ever in his lifetime.
Taliban is different from "Wahhabi". There are many variants of "Wahhabism". At its purest they are also called as salafis and they are infact opposed to Taliban. Taliban follows deobandi ideology and is Hanafi Sunni. Whereas salafi is strictly against following a madhab\sect. It considers the hanafi\shafi\etc as deviated sects. Moreover Talibans are also sufis and believe in Tasawwuf as officially recognized by deobandi official website.

Regarding violence than some sort of violence is surely encouraged to prevent vice, like how Haz Ali a.s had burned nusairis alive slowly grilling them to inflict maximum torture, inspite of knowing well that its not allowed to burn a person as objected by Ibn Abbas. This is found in authentic hadith and is accepted by both shia and sunni mainstreams.

The problem is that people have huge egos , and in these days of modernity and ease of life the egos are even more magnified than past, people just wont change even if they are convinced of falsehood.Like how you see in bohras as everytime I hear criticism of kothar from even the bachha and boodha of bohra world , everyone is concvinced that they are on falsehood yet love to remain in the BOHRA fold just nurturing their ego with false hopes that "atleast name of ali is being remembered"



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Unread post by tasneempati » Sun May 11, 2014 5:41 am

Lately many Wahabi's such as "shehzaada/ Bohrabai" etc have entered this forum. Guys take care of these Napaks lanatis.



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu May 29, 2014 5:45 pm

This is what happens in Wahabi ruled country Saudi Arabia.

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Unread post by freebhora » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:03 am

I dont know why this issue is blown out of proportion , Bilal RA used to stand up on the roof and give Azaan , he climbed the kaba with his foot. Moreover this pic is purposely circulated to incite the ignorant people. Even the much informed bro GM is helping to incite hatred without verifying the facts.

The police also clearly looks like an indian or a paki hence why blame the poor Arabs who do respect the kaba a lot



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Unread post by Muslim First » Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:30 am

tasneempati wrote:Lately many Wahabi's such as "shehzaada/ Bohrabai" etc have entered this forum. Guys take care of these Napaks lanatis.
Brother teen Patti
ASAK
You were bred to call non Ismaili Muslim Lanati. Only Allah knows these people are Paak or Naapak.