"WAHABISM EXPOSED!"

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Re: "WAHABISM EXPOSED!"

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:16 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab, (1703 – 22 June 1792), the founder of Saudi Arabia’s Wahhabi-Salafi creed:

“Even if the Muslims abstain from Shirk (polytheism) and are Muwahhid (believer in oneness of God), their Faith cannot be perfect unless they have enmity and hatred in their action and speech against non-Muslims (which for him actually includes all non-Wahhabi or non-Salafi Muslims). (Majmua Al-Rasael Wal-Masael Al-Najdiah 4/291)

Imam Ibn Taymiyya (1263 - 1328) Most revered Hanbali jurist and scholar among Wahhabi-Salafi Muslims whose influence has recently grown immensely with the propagation of his creed by the Saudi monarchy:

“Since lawful warfare is essentially jihad and since its aim is that the religion is God's entirely and God's word is uppermost, therefore according to all Muslims, those who stand in the way of this aim must be fought... As for the People of the Book and the Zoroastrians, they are to be fought until they become Muslims or pay the tribute (Jizya) out of hand and have been humbled. With regard to the others, the jurists differ as to the lawfulness of taking tribute from them. Most of them regard it as unlawful...” (Excerpted from Rudolph Peters, Jihad in Classical and Modern Islam (Princeton, NJ: Markus Wiener, 1996), pp. 44-54)

first it was confined to the middle eastern countries, but now with advent of technology coupled with petro dollars it spreading or already spread enormously in indian subcontinent.
this is the major reason for the rise of fascist rss and menace of hindutva--simple science--action versus reaction.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:29 pm

The Saudi King gives Modi the highest honor he can bestow. Narendra Modi is considered by most Indian Muslims as the principal figure in the genocide of 2002 in Gujarat. The Saudi king's main title is the Custodian of the two Mosques in Mecca and Medina. In that capacity he is the guardian of Muslims all over the world. Can it get more bizarre ? I just pray the Saudi ruling family is soon overthrown. They have made life hell for the people of Iraq, Syria, Libya and Yemen. And now this slap on Indian Muslims especially the Muslims of Gujarat.

PM Modi conferred Saudi Arabia's highest civilian honour

Prime Minister Narendra Modi was today conferred Saudi Arabia's highest civilian honour- the King Abdulaziz Sash. The Prime Minister was conferred the prestigious award by King Salman bin Abdulaziz at the Royal Court

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/pm-m ... 34336.html

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:41 pm

Br Qutuab Mamajiwala
What do you say now, You love Narendra Modi but hate Saudi Wahabi. You have a dilemma. Some one you hate has bestowed highest honor to some one you love :P :P

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:27 am

bro sbm,
i dont love or hate saudia or modi per se
i hate the taimiya ideology of saudi.
and for honour -this is political and diplomatic endeveours done to gain for the country.
if country benefits then why not--we want it, ( though dont know it will benefit or not)
and anyhow any honour has that much place only --this saudi kaassh or whatever award is bullshit and nobody cares for it.
u are a more intelligent person to know how worldly politics and politicians play their diplomatic game in oneupmanship.
what we have to see is if this is beneficial for india or not? rest all go to hell.

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:30 am

bro sbm,
saudi is far, he even invited ISI agent for enquiring in pathankot.
do i have to tell u more about it?-- everyone knows who did it and what will be the result of enquiry, but in international diplomacy many things have to be done.
he even went to enemy no. 1 s house for chai.

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Unread post by Aminullah » Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:24 am

Militants offered peace in return for concessions to Israel: Syria mufti


http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/04/0 ... un-Israel/

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Unread post by Conscíous » Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:39 pm

Aminullah wrote:Militants offered peace in return for concessions to Israel: Syria mufti
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/04/0 ... un-Israel/
Only those ignorant wahhabi/salafi/takfiri imbeciles can't figure this out, who is gaining by all this fighting allover the middle east..

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Unread post by Aminullah » Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:01 pm

Sajda in wahabi firqa?
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Unread post by Aminullah » Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:30 pm

Riyadh's Dirty Secret: Saudi Arabia Thirsty for Yemeni Oil, Gas Reserves

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/2016040 ... z454Yp3OML

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:46 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab, (1703 – 22 June 1792), the founder of Saudi Arabia’s Wahhabi-Salafi creed:

“Even if the Muslims abstain from Shirk (polytheism) and are Muwahhid (believer in oneness of God), their Faith cannot be perfect unless they have enmity and hatred in their action and speech against non-Muslims (which for him actually includes all non-Wahhabi or non-Salafi Muslims). (Majmua Al-Rasael Wal-Masael Al-Najdiah 4/291)

Imam Ibn Taymiyya (1263 - 1328) Most revered Hanbali jurist and scholar among Wahhabi-Salafi Muslims whose influence has recently grown immensely with the propagation of his creed by the Saudi monarchy:

“Since lawful warfare is essentially jihad and since its aim is that the religion is God's entirely and God's word is uppermost, therefore according to all Muslims, those who stand in the way of this aim must be fought... As for the People of the Book and the Zoroastrians, they are to be fought until they become Muslims or pay the tribute (Jizya) out of hand and have been humbled. With regard to the others, the jurists differ as to the lawfulness of taking tribute from them. Most of them regard it as unlawful...” (Excerpted from Rudolph Peters, Jihad in Classical and Modern Islam (Princeton, NJ: Markus Wiener, 1996), pp. 44-54)
This is nothing more than bs. It is pretty simple actually. The above is excerpted from Rudolph Peters and not from Ibn Taimiyyah and the one above that is also not from Ibn Taimiyyah but from some Mujmua Al falafel. Kindly quote ibn taimiyyah himself or Abdul Wahhab himself instead of someone else claiming that what they are saying is from these men.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:07 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:The Saudi King gives Modi the highest honor he can bestow. Narendra Modi is considered by most Indian Muslims as the principal figure in the genocide of 2002 in Gujarat. The Saudi king's main title is the Custodian of the two Mosques in Mecca and Medina. In that capacity he is the guardian of Muslims all over the world. Can it get more bizarre ? I just pray the Saudi ruling family is soon overthrown. They have made life hell for the people of Iraq, Syria, Libya and Yemen. And now this slap on Indian Muslims especially the Muslims of Gujarat.

PM Modi conferred Saudi Arabia's highest civilian honour

Prime Minister Narendra Modi was today conferred Saudi Arabia's highest civilian honour- the King Abdulaziz Sash. The Prime Minister was conferred the prestigious award by King Salman bin Abdulaziz at the Royal Court

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/pm-m ... 34336.html
Saudi Arabia's hands are red with the blood of Yemenis and Syrians. They must be considering Modi to be a minor player. Are Israel, Saudi Arabia and India forming an axis of like-minded friends?

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:11 pm

I found a very interesting piece on another forum which is worth reading :-

1. The news about honoring of Modi with the highest civilian award is on expected lines. The devils among Muslims, devils among Christians and the devils among Jews have long back formed a triumvirate or a conglomeration of butchers to do the part of Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini or Idi Amin, to butcher anybody to retain what they possess and conquer what they don’t possess, for mutual safety and benefit, to usurp power, land, oil and minerals, and they are precision perfect in the art of butchery. The devils among Muslims played havoc in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Bahrain etc., the devils among Christians in Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Syria etc., and the devils among Jews in Palestine openly and in other places as Team-B. The devils among Hindus did the same thing in 2002 post-Godhra carnage and in Muzaffarnagar. The West, the East and the Middle of the globe is full of devils and made hell out of this world.

2. We cannot expect better news from Saudi Arabia as they are on the same platform as Modi is, i.e., mindless massacre of innocent people, to the dog(s) after giving bad name to dog(s).

3. Saudis may be the custodians of two grand mosques but Muslims of the world do not so recognize them in entirety, because their hands are profusely red with the blood of fellow Muslims, here, there and everywhere, and they have no right to be called so. The war in Yemen has led to the death of 5,000 people, a third of them civilians.

4. Islam doesn’t recognize, approve and sanction monarchy or diarchy, despotism or dynastic rule, and therefore monarchies in Arabian Peninsula and in Gulf countries are anti-thesis to Islam. They usurped the imperial power and became monarchs with the help, support and blessings of the Western powers. The British when they left had appointed the then dacoits as kings in parts of Arabian Peninsula, whom they expected to be puppets and are still puppets, no less and nothing beyond.

5. The Saudi kings are sitting in the laps of the US, and other monarchs in the Peninsula in the lap of the Saudi monarchs. The Saudi kings have no alternative than to lick the shoes of Americans or else get finest booting from the US, the very same treatment Saddam Hussain and Col. Gaddaffi got from the US for not toeing US line.

6. The Quincy Pact between King Abdul aziz and the US President, Franklin D. Roosevelt, signed on 14-2-1945, guaranteed US protection to Saudi Arabia against external threats in exchange for the kingdom supplying much of the US’s energy needs. It was renewed in 2005 by George Bush Jr.

7. Saudi kings and nobles were the architects of the Gulf war of 1990-91, responsible for the birth of Taliban, Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram etc., (the list is long) and they and none other are responsible and accountable for the anarchy, unrest, ethnic and sectarian tussles. Sooner or later, monarchies are likely to be demolished by a revolution by the oppressed. The silent protests are brewing up and so none can sit pretty on thrones forever.

8. Former King Abdullah died in January 2016 at the age of 90 and the present King Abdelaziz al-Saud who is said to have Alzheimer’s is 80 years old. Do people of KSA need Kings who are past 80 and 90? The negligence, ignorance and inadequacies of the country’s leaders resulted in the loss of over 2,000 lives due to stampede at Mina near Mecca during the Hajj in September 2015.

9. Prophet (s.a.w.) showed the way to perform only one Hajj pilgrimage in his life. But why the rich are taking pride in undertaking Hajj pilgrimage several times and why the poor are also risking it even once though they can’t afford it. The coffers of Saudi government are filled to the brim after every Hajj pilgrimage, which has become a ritual among Muslims year after year, undertaking pilgrimage every next year, while Prophet (s.a.w.) had undertaken pilgrimage only once in his life.

10. Why not all the Hajj committees and Hajj & Umrah travel agencies be closed forthwith. Muslims will have money to save that spent on Hajj extravaganza for undertaking more than one Hajj, and divert the surplus for distribution among poor Muslims who are reeling in abject poverty, hunger, disease, illiteracy, malnutrition, under-nutrition, unemployment, under-employment and exploitation, with many Muslim girls dreaming about marriage and waiting to be suitably and honorably married but in the end
growing old after crossing 30, 40, 50 with dreams unfulfilled and shattered and resigned to their fate at last to die unmarried.

11. The fall of price of crude oil from $ 115 a barrel since 2014, now below $ 40, owing to the US shale oil producers not looking back, abundant supply of crude and concerns over Chinese economy, is posing a big challenge to Saudi rulers and its economy. To balance its budget, Saudi Arabia needs the price of crude to be at $ 106, which is obscure. Therefore, KSA has to cut the spending drastically but in which area? This will mean losing domestic support. Saudi Arabia made many commitments when
price of crude was high and also has huge open military spending motivated by unease over Iran’s entry into the market.

12. Egypt and Yemen are top recipients of Saudi aid. Since Abdel Fatah al-Sissi’s coup in 2013 in Egypt, Saudi Arabia supported the Egyptian economy, which according to IMF is estimated at $ 6.5 bn. to date. Saudi Arabia spent $ 130 bn. on frequent distribution of largesse during Arab Spring, and $ 29 bn. when the new king came to the throne. Saudi Arabia's economy is in doldrums.

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Unread post by anajmi » Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:46 am

So you are saying that 4 of the 5 panjatan are of no use either right?

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Unread post by Aminullah » Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:01 am

anajmi wrote:So you are saying that 4 of the 5 panjatan are of no use either right?
Mr Anajmi, there is nothing like 4 of the 5 in panjatan...Panjatan is 1 entity...I understand your enmity towards ahlul bayt but it will always fall back on your face.

go and dig bukhari and muslim sharif which clearly says " Muhammed (S) repeatedly said "Hassnain is from me and I am from Hassnain" also there are numerous hadith where Nabi(s) has praised and count ahlul bayt from himself.

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:14 am

anajmi wrote:So you are saying that 4 of the 5 panjatan are of no use either right?
for that u can still be muslim without imaan which many think you are

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Unread post by anajmi » Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:02 am

So I am not sure I follow. Do you post bullshit every alternate post or every post?

Sister Aminullah, if you go to Bukhari, then you are a follower of ibn taimiyyah ideology. Shame on you. And mamu says you dont need anything other than the 5 things he mentioned.

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Unread post by Aminullah » Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:08 am

anajmi wrote:So I am not sure I follow. Do you post bullshit every alternate post or every post?

Sister Aminullah, if you go to Bukhari, then you are a follower of ibn taimiyyah ideology. Shame on you. And mamu says you dont need anything other than the 5 things he mentioned.
Aminullah tera baap hain, sister apni bhen ke liye bacha ke rakh, btw bukhari is well respected sunni book and these hadith is found in both shia and sunni sources...

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Unread post by anajmi » Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:07 pm

Another ideal panjatan follower!!

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Unread post by Aminullah » Sat Apr 09, 2016 1:24 pm

anajmi wrote:Another ideal panjatan follower!!
and you are another degraded panjatan ahlulbayt hater!!!

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Apr 09, 2016 1:44 pm

Actually, I don't hate the "panjatan" because "panjatan" is a fictional creation. There is no mention of "panjatan" in the hadith of the prophet(saw) or any books of Ali. This "panjatan" was created later on by idol worshippers similar to the christian concept of "trinity". They have three that are not 3 but 1 and your version has 5 which are not 5 but are 1.

By the way, this "hate the panjatan" is also a creation of idol worshippers like yourself. No one hates Ali or his family. Hatred is only prevalent amongst the "lovers" of this fictional "panjatan"!! Unfortunately, hate is the business that idol worshippers such as yourself and your leaders thrive on. So you have hatred and because of that you believe that the rest of us have hatred as well.

Actually, there would be no point in hating Ali or his family. Hating a sahaba or family of the prophet (saw) would land me in hell. And I don't want to accompany you there.

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Unread post by Aminullah » Sat Apr 09, 2016 2:05 pm

Anajmi, honestly either follow your own book or just stop wasting our time by your bullshiit, seriously its been years you are trolling on this forum and seems like you dont even know your own religion and book.
A narration attributed to 'A'isha reports:
that God's Apostle (may peace be upon him) went out one morning wearing a striped cloak of the black camel's hair that there came Hasan b. 'Ali. He wrapped him under it, then came Husain and he wrapped him under it along with the other one (Hasan). Then came Fatima and he took her under it, then came 'Ali and he also took him under it and then said: God desires to take away any uncleanliness from you, O people of the household, and purify you (thorough purifying)"
Sunnis tend to view this as Sahih and have included it in Sahih Muslim[2]
now go read more books and better do some thing out of your remaining life. hundreds of times you have been proved wrong on this forum yet you have learn nothing so far, and seems like chances are dim you will ever learn any thing. but still keep trying and do some learning.

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Apr 09, 2016 4:22 pm

Sorry, prove me wrong? You are joking right? Did the hadith mention the names of the people under the cloak or does it say that the "panjatan" were under the cloak? Don't just read books. Try and understand them. This hadith is attributed to Hazrat Aisha and you fools send laanat on her. Think about it.

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:36 am

bro anajmi
what do u think about this hadith? is it sahih or zaif? can we rely on it? though "panjatan" is not mentioned, is the name mentioned correct?
panjatan is the name given afterwards by the followers.
mauaviya was a sahaba and abulahab was a family, do u hate them or love them?

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Unread post by Aminullah » Sun Apr 10, 2016 6:23 am

bro anajmi your IQ is lower than room temperature...better dont get into islamic debates with any one, just read and learn more.

panjatan means 5 people = Prophet Muhammed(s), Imam Ali(A), Bibi Fatema(A), Imam Hassan(A) and Imam Hussain(A).

every sunni knows it well.

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Unread post by Aminullah » Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:13 am

Modi/Wahabi and Mufaddal has one thing in common, when they are in foreign land or in people who dont know them well, they suddenly change as they are angel.

modi becomes peace lover and muslim lover when he is in saudi or in UN

Wahabi becomes peace maker when they are in foreign land but starts killing yemenis and other muslims when they are in their own land.

Mufaddal becomes peace messenger when in media, but in his personal meetings and bohra masjid he misses no chances to send lanat on his uncle and other muslims in general.

but we all know, modi/wahabi and mufaddal are biggest curse to humanity in these days.



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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:07 am

panjatan means 5 people = Prophet Muhammed(s), Imam Ali(A), Bibi Fatema(A), Imam Hassan(A) and Imam Hussain(A).
Aaah. But when I said 4 out of 5 are of no use based upon mamaji's post, you said there is nothing like 4 out of 5 in panjatan. They are 1.

I love it when you guys flip flop.

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:10 am

Mamaji,

Do you hate Shaitaan? Think before answering cause there are going to be follow up questions.

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Unread post by Aminullah » Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:24 am

anajmi wrote:
panjatan means 5 people = Prophet Muhammed(s), Imam Ali(A), Bibi Fatema(A), Imam Hassan(A) and Imam Hussain(A).
Aaah. But when I said 4 out of 5 are of no use based upon mamaji's post, you said there is nothing like 4 out of 5 in panjatan. They are 1.

I love it when you guys flip flop.
(deleted) :lol: , flip flop ki konsi baat hain? I posted sunni source and now you are talking about 4 out of 1 and what not?

as I said your IQ is lower than room temp, dont waste time and forum space, just read and learn more.

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:10 pm

as I said your IQ is lower than room temp,
Well, it's not. But since that is as high as you can count, I will consider it a complement.