Hazrat Abbas (AS)

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Re: Hazrat Abbas (AS)

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Unread post by salaar » Thu May 22, 2014 3:55 pm

yuzarsif the riwayat that you have quoted never heard about it but since karbala is not the meeraas for any one group Hussain is the moula of not just bohras or shias he is the moula e kul and many writers have expressed their aqeedat and wrote so many things on the masaib of karbala, i think instead of denials we consider it their love and aqeedat in darbar e Hussain

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Unread post by salaar » Thu May 22, 2014 4:41 pm

RasoolAllah said "BOURAK LA WALADEE AL HUSSAIN FI SALAAS" barkat is there in 3 things related to my son Hussain..... (1)Khaak e Shifa (2)Qubba that is the zareeh (3)Aimmat will continue in his generations.

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Unread post by salaar » Thu May 22, 2014 4:46 pm

RasoolAllah said "MIN BAKI AO ABKI AO TABAKI ALAA WALADI AL HUSSAIN WA JABAT LAHO AL JANNAH".................... The one who shed tears or make others shed their tears or make a crying face on Hussain, he is destined for Jannat.

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Re: Hazrat Abbas (AS)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu May 22, 2014 5:20 pm

salaar wrote:The one who shed tears or make others shed their tears or make a crying face on Hussain, he is destined for Jannat.
Bro salaar,

Hence, according to the above "Amaal" is irrelevant ??? Just shed tears or change your facial expressions and you get a place in Jannat, no matter whether you understand or follow the true message of Imam Hussain (a.s.) or not !

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Unread post by Muslim First » Thu May 22, 2014 9:24 pm

RasoolAllah said "MIN BAKI AO ABKI AO TABAKI ALAA WALADI AL HUSSAIN WA JABAT LAHO AL JANNAH".................... The one who shed tears or make others shed their tears or make a crying face on Hussain, he is destined for Jannat.
Book and page reference please. This is not Majliss session.

BTW how did Prophet know that Hussein RA was going to be Shahid? If he did then why he sacrificed his grand son?

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Re: Hazrat Abbas (AS)

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Unread post by salaar » Fri May 23, 2014 3:56 am

why Ibrahim a.s was ready to sacrifice Ismail a.s.

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Unread post by salaar » Fri May 23, 2014 4:12 am

Bro GM it is said that if you read this waheeq or do that amal you would have the sawab of 100 haj now that does not give you immunity from performing haj this is a degree of expressing the aala hasanat embedded in that amal similarly shedding tears on maula hussain is the most important amal it is the wilayat without which no amal e saleha is accepted, iam sure you are not a child and you must be knowing everything but still you people try to play as if you are totally unaware of bohra doctrine, if you are from ahl e sunnat believes then whats the point in arguing or is it that you people want to influence those bohra masses who dont go to masjid very often have limited knowledge or border line cases, is this your hidden agenda to convert them by your stupid arguments? i have no wish to impress you neither you can change me a bit.

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Re: Hazrat Abbas (AS)

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Unread post by Muslim First » Fri May 23, 2014 5:17 am

salaar wrote:why Ibrahim a.s was ready to sacrifice Ismail a.s.
Dumb question

Allah asked him to sacrifice his son.
Any proof Allah asked Prophet to sacrifice his Grand kid?
Human worshippers sacrifice their brains too.

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Re: Hazrat Abbas (AS)

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Unread post by Muslim First » Fri May 23, 2014 5:32 am

similarly shedding tears on maula hussain is the most important amal it is the wilayat without which no amal e saleha is accepted,
Islam is based on Quran and Authentic Sunnah of Prophet.
Show me one Hadith which says "shedding tears on maula hussain is the most important Amal" in Islam?
BTW I have asked this question 100 times
If Waliya is second most important Amal then.
Show me Waliya in Quran
A single Aya which says After you o Muhammad your progeny ( from Ali) will be Imam.
No half Quran Aya or Half Hadithing.
BTW who is your Imam today? Why is he hiding. Aga khan is not hiding even though many Ismailis consider him Allah.

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Unread post by maddy » Fri May 23, 2014 7:00 am

@yuzarsif
Jaha tak mane maloom che hazrat abbas alamdar ek var j pani leva gaya hata aashura na din Imam husain a.s. ni raza mubarak c
to aap aa navi zikar kaha c laya ???

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Unread post by salaar » Fri May 23, 2014 7:27 am

i agree with maddy

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri May 23, 2014 4:54 pm

salaar wrote:shedding tears on maula hussain is the most important amal it is the wilayat without which no amal e saleha is accepted
As much as I revere Imam Hussain (a.s.) and his great sacrifice but I fail to understand your above logic.
salaar wrote:if you are from ahl e sunnat believes then whats the point in arguing or is it that you people want to influence those bohra masses who dont go to masjid very often have limited knowledge or border line cases, is this your hidden agenda to convert them by your stupid arguments?
Well, I will spare you the embarrassment by not debating on whose arguments are "Stupid" but at the same time Iam surprised that inspite of you being so tolerant and respectful you have suddenly started behaving like brainwashed abdes who label anyone a wahabi/ahle sunnat etc, the moment they don't have any logical answers.

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Unread post by salaar » Fri May 23, 2014 5:07 pm

you are not supposed to bring your logic everytime religion is the name of having faith, to be honest i see a big gap between our believes and the believes of people like anajmi, arguing with them is like banging your head on the wall because of the principle difference of believes, its alright to debate with someone who is a follower of skq because the basic believes are alike, you know its like a match between a cricket and a football team, iam sorry i feel its a waste of time.

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Unread post by anajmi » Fri May 23, 2014 5:14 pm

there is a big gap because people like anajmi believe in Islam that was taught by the prophet (saw) where the most important amal WAS NOT shedding tears for Imam Hussain. People like you believe in a deviant religion that has nothing to do with Islam and where worship of Allah comes after the worship of humans.

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Unread post by Muslim First » Fri May 23, 2014 9:17 pm

I do not think thy even know how to worship Allah SWT!

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Unread post by salaar » Sat May 24, 2014 9:27 am

yeah you have to go into your qabar and i have to go into mine lets see how we face RasoolAllah with and without the wilayat of itrat e rasool on the day of judgment.

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Unread post by yuzarsif » Sat May 24, 2014 9:30 am

salaar wrote:yuzarsif the riwayat that you have quoted never heard about it but since karbala is not the meeraas for any one group Hussain is the moula of not just bohras or shias he is the moula e kul and many writers have expressed their aqeedat and wrote so many things on the masaib of karbala, i think instead of denials we consider it their love and aqeedat in darbar e Hussain
Yes! very true...Husain(a.s) is not for Bohra only...the message of Husain(a.s) in karbala is for Humanity..there are many pearls we can collect from karbala. even i have not heard it about 7 mi tareek in our wahez .In Bohra Wahez Karbala event is not given in detail.
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Unread post by yuzarsif » Sat May 24, 2014 9:33 am

maddy wrote:@yuzarsif
Jaha tak mane maloom che hazrat abbas alamdar ek var j pani leva gaya hata aashura na din Imam husain a.s. ni raza mubarak c
to aap aa navi zikar kaha c laya ???
Read "Maqtal_al-Husain by"Abd al-Razz~q al-Muqarram" page 162-163
THE SEVENTH DAY
On the seventh day, the siege around the Master of Martyrs () and those with him intensified, and they
were blocked completely from reaching the water. Their water supply had already depleted, so each one
of them had to deal with the flames of the thirst on his or her own. Naturally, the children were moaning
on account of the pain of thirst. Some of them were pleading for water while others were trying anything they
could think of to quench their thirst. All of this was taking place before the eyes of Abu `Abdull~h and the
honourable ones of his family and companions. But what could he have done since swords and lances stood
between them and the water? Yet the man who quite often served water to the thirsty could not tolerate that
condition any longer.

At that juncture, al-Husain () assigned his brother al-`Abb~s to shoulder this responsibility. The latter had
already been burning with the desire .
to do just that. Al-Husain () asked him to bring water for the ladies and
the children, giving him command over a detachment of twenty men each carrying a water bag. They went to
the Euphrates at night paying no attention to those who were charged with guarding the watering place. After
all, they were in the company of the lion of Muhammed's Progeny (). Nafi- ibn Hil~l al-Jamli advanced, so
Amr ibn al-Hajj~j shouted at him to identify himself. He said to him, “We came to drink of this water from
which you have .
prohibited us.” “Drink then and cool your eyes,” said he, “but do not carry of it to al-Husain.”
N~fi` said, “No, by Allah, I shall never drink one drop while al-Husain and the Ahl al-Bayt with him and their
supporters are thirsty.” He then called upon his companions to fill their water bags. It was then that those under
the command of Ibn al-Hajj~j attacked them. Some of them kept watering their bags anyway while others were
defending them headed by the one who grew up in the very lap of Hayderi bravery, namely Abul-Fadl, al-
`Abb~s. They brought the water while none of their enemies could even contemplate getting near them out of
fear of that same brave hero. The ladies and the children, hence, were able to quench their thirst.2
We cannot overlook the fact that the amount of water brought to them was very little. What could that
quantity do to a band that numbered more than a hundred and fifty men, women, and children, or maybe even
two hundred, all parched by thirst, drinking no more than once? Soon thirst returned to them.
(Maqtal Muhammed ibn Abu T~lib. According to this report, their seeking water must have taken place on the seventh day which 2
may explain why the seventh day is dedicated to the memory of al-`Abb~s)