Inheritance of Prophet

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Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by Muslim First » Fri May 23, 2014 9:24 pm

I received this PM from brother Badrijanab
badrijanab wrote:Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. was not only the spiritual leader of the then mumineen but also was the caliph of the region.

As per inheritance laws practiced everywhere including all sects of Islam: If a person is survived by a daughter and 'sasur' (father in law) then inheritor of all his property/assets will be his daughter and not 'sasur'.

Molatina Fatima a.s. the sole surviving daughter of Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. was the natural inheritor of all assets of Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. So after Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. martyr the caliphate should have passed to its natural inheritor Molatina Fatima a.s.

1/2/3 are not the inheritor of Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. assets & titles (caliphate). In none of the Siha-Sitta books, not even a single tradition is present that says if ever Mohammed s.a.w.w. has appointed or authorised them as caliph or representative of Islam.

So after Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. the right of caliphate was of Molatina Fatima a.s. and not of 1/2/3 are the usurpers.

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sat May 24, 2014 9:05 am

Br Badrijanab
ASAK
Prophet was leader of Umma as well head of his family
He had his personal property as well he managed public property ( Baitul Mall)
As per inheritance laws practiced everywhere including all sects of Islam: If a person is survived by a daughter and 'sasur' (father in law) then inheritor of all his property/assets will be his daughter and not 'sasur'.
Please separate issue of leadership of Ummah and inheritance of his property. They cannot be lumped together.
As far as leadership is concerned there is dispute a between Mainstream and Mainority, and both will never be reconciled.
As far as personal property is concerned (Fadak, Khums etc) there are tons of material on net and we can fill pages by copy pate.
We have discussed Imamat, khakifat and Waliya umpteen of time.
If Imamat is that important to you, please answer this.
Name your present Imam who is direct decedent by Nass from Ali and Fatema
Please also give his address, contact like phone number, e mail address etc. ( it is 20th century and everybody has it).

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sat May 24, 2014 9:14 am

badrijanab
So after Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. the right of caliphate was of Molatina Fatima a.s. and not of 1/2/3 are the usurpers.
Wow.
For 1400 years "hum sab zakh maar rahe he" . According to your thinking "caliphate was of Molatina Fatima a.s.".

Aaj kal kya chada rahe ho Janab?

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sat May 24, 2014 9:26 am

badrijanab
1/2/3 are not the inheritor of Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. assets & titles (caliphate). In none of the Siha-Sitta books, not even a single tradition is present that says if ever Mohammed s.a.w.w. has appointed or authorised them as caliph or representative of Islam.
That is correct
And
In none of the Siha-Sitta books, not even a single tradition is present that says if ever Mohammed s.a.w.w. has appointed Hz Ali as caliph or representative of Islam clearly.

Shia have their circular arguments but reality is obvious. After Prophet 1, 2, 3 and 4.

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sun May 25, 2014 3:41 am

Muslim First wrote: Please separate issue of leadership of Ummah and inheritance of his property. They cannot be lumped together.
Besides being Allah appointed Prophet of Ummah, Mohammed s.a.w.w. in his later life was caliph as well of Mecca, Medina, etc - caliphate is the private property of Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w. and not a public property that can be proven and is evident in analogies below.

Analogies of "Caliphate" being a private transferable owned property of caliph-

1. Hazrat Abu Bakr NOMINATED Hazrat Umar as his successor. Should 'Caliphate' being public property then duo would have left the matter of next caliph after Abu-Bakr in hand of people to elect their next representative/caliph. But the matter of fact is former nominated latter, hence it is clearly evident that 'caliphate' is privately owned transferable private property of the then caliph Hz. Abu Bakr.

2. Should caliphate was public office/property and not private property then Hazrat Umar should have left the matter of his succession in the hand of public. But Umar himself (not public) nominated a committee (Shura) of his preferred selector to choose one among his personally desired (not publically desired/elected) prospective as next caliph. Hence proved caliphate was privately owned property of the then caliph Hz. Umar.

3. All the tyrants of inhumane terrorist Banu Abbas and Banu Ummaiyad caliphs - never ever were elected by public but their succession was son after father or a relative plotting coup and starting his line of progeny - in all cases 'caliphate' was always treated as private asset and not public property.

Like above analogies 'caliphate' was the private property of Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w. and it will be inherited only by his sole surviving daughter Fatima a.s. and Etc, Etc and Etc are proven as usurpers.

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sun May 25, 2014 8:41 am

Badrijanab
Like above analogies 'caliphate' was the private property of Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w. and it will be inherited only by his sole surviving daughter Fatima a.s. and Etc, Etc and Etc are proven as usurpers.
Islam was religion revealed to Prophet and was completely explained in Quran and Sunnah. It is not "Baap ki Jaydaat" of anybody. Religious leadership is achieved many ways. Thru election, force, appointment and inheritance etc. etc.

Before we plunge into protracted discussion answer this;

Question One: Where is the doctrine of Imaamat after Prophet in Quran ?
Question Two: How does your Imam lead you now?

This is a very sound question. Quran is the book of guidance and we have been told by the Prophet that whenever we felt lost we can consult Quran and it will never betray us. The above doctrine is not a minor issue, it is very important. It’s importance is to the extend that Shia holds that because of not believing in this doctrine, 80% of Muslims are misguided and in fact not true believers. Well, which verses of Quran have given us this doctrine?

Please give ONLY the verses with NO additions to the translation and NO Hadeeth to support a certain interpretation of the verse and NO personal commentaries.

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sun May 25, 2014 9:42 am

Muslim First wrote:
Islam was religion revealed to Prophet and was completely explained in Quran and Sunnah. It is not "Baap ki Jaydaat" of anybody. Religious leadership is achieved many ways. Thru election, force, appointment and inheritance etc. etc.
1. The caliphate of Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. as proven in the previous posts was indeed the "Baap ki jayadaat" of Molatina Fatim a.s. bint Rasoolallah s.a.w.w.

2. Abde 1-2-3 says, "Religious leadership is achieved through (i) election, (ii) force, (iii) appointment and (iv) inheritance." - None of these four methods were used to make Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. as the religious leader. Allah has made Mohammed s.a.w.w. as the religious leader. Hence, those four methods propagated by Abde 1-2-3 are against Sunnat of Rasoolallah s.a.w.w. thus, all projected and pretended religious leaders belonging to Abde 1-2-3 cult are NOT in compliance with Sunnat of Rasoolallah s.a.w.w.

The Sunnat of Rasoolallah for someone being the religious leader is: he has to be made so by Allah and not by four methods as propagated by Abde 1-2-3.

3. Two things were merged in Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w:
(A) Religious leader made by Allah - in both cases when he was not caliph before Hijrat and when he was caliph in later part of his life of places like Mecca, Medina, Tabook, etc
(B) Caliph of places he ruled after winning wars or acquiring it.

1-2-3- were not religious leaders, they were (non-spiritual/non-religious) caliphs!

As proven earlier in this thread caliphate was right by inheritance of Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w. sole surviving daughter Molatina Fatima a.s. Hence, 1-2-3 were usurpers.

4. In this thread we are discussing the inheritance of Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w. caliphate, and not Imamat. So do not derail from the subject. Should you wish to discuss doctrine of Imamat then open another thread or refer to previous discussions in context of Imamat. In this thread stick to "Inheritance of Prophet s.a.w.w." - where all Abde 1-2-3 have succumbed to the truth, and it is proven their 1-2-3 were usurpers.

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sun May 25, 2014 9:21 pm

1. The caliphate of Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. as proven in the previous posts was indeed the "Baap ki jayadaat" of Molatina Fatim a.s. bint Rasoolallah s.a.w.w.
Islam is religion and it's purpose is to worshipp Allah. Allah chose Muhammad saw to be prophet of Islam not owner.
2. Abde 1-2-3 says, "Religious leadership is achieved through (i) election, (ii) force, (iii) appointment and (iv) inheritance." - None of these four methods were used to make Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. as the religious leader. Allah has made Mohammed s.a.w.w. as the religious leader. Hence, those four methods propagated by Abde 1-2-3 are against Sunnat of Rasoolallah s.a.w.w. thus, all projected and pretended religious leaders belonging to Abde 1-2-3 cult are NOT in compliance with Sunnat of Rasoolallah s.a.w.w.
Please do not insult 1 b Muslim by calling then Abde 123. We are only Abde Allah. You were born Abde so were your parents. So every body has to be Abde something. Allah chose Prophet to reveal his religion. There is no hint in Quran or Sunnah that Islam needed further revelation. Islam was completed in Mecca during Hujj ul vida. Allah is said in Quran that he will protect his religion.
The Sunnat of Rasoolallah for someone being the religious leader is: he has to be made so by Allah and not by four methods as propagated by Abde 1-2-3.
Show me Aya in Quran that there will be need for religious leader or appointing Ali RA and his progeny as leader.
Who is your leader from Ali's progeny?
3. Two things were merged in Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w:
(A) Religious leader made by Allah - in both cases when he was not caliph before Hijrat and when he was caliph in later part of his life of places like Mecca, Medina, Tabook, etc
(B) Caliph of places he ruled after winning wars or acquiring it.
He was prophet period.
1-2-3- were not religious leaders, they were (non-spiritual/non-religious) caliphs!
What is called religious leader.
One who leads prayer!
One who gives religious opinion based on Quran and Sunnah!
1,2,3 and 4 did that, didn't they?so they were both religious and temporal leaders.
As proven earlier in this thread caliphate was right by inheritance of Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w. sole surviving daughter Molatina Fatima a.s. Hence, 1-2-3 were usurpers.
If that was so why Ansars were gathered in Saqifa to claim leadership? Didn't they know about appointment of Ali as next Khalif?
4. In this thread we are discussing the inheritance of Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w. caliphate, and not Imamat.

I do not even know what troubles you
So do not derail from the subject. Should you wish to discuss doctrine of Imamat then open another thread or refer to previous discussions in context of Imamat. In this thread
We have done that umpteen time. Produce Aya from Quran.
stick to "Inheritance of Prophet s.a.w.w." - where all Abde 1-2-3 have succumbed to the truth, and it is proven their 1-2-3 were usurpers.
Brother there are 2 groups in Islam
Abde Allah follow Quran and Sunnah to best of Ability
Abde Ali, Abe Hussein. Abde Gaib Imam, and Abde hiding Imam worship human beings.
Abde Agakahn worship Agakhan.

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by badrijanab » Mon May 26, 2014 6:38 am

Islam is religion and it's purpose is to worshipp Allah. Allah chose Muhammad saw to be prophet of Islam not owner.
Correct. Besides being Prophet of Islam, Mohammed s.a.w.w. was caliph of his region. And "caliphate" is a private property, this has been enlightened by the similar analogies given in my previous post in this thread about caliphate being treated as private and not public property by Hz. Abu Bakr, Hz. Umar and all caliphs all Banu Abbas & Banu Ummaiya.

So "caliphate" the private property of Mohammad s.a.w.w. will be inherited by his sole surviving daughter. Thus Etc, Etc and Etc are usurpers of right of Molatina Fatima a.s. bint Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w.
Please do not insult 1 b Muslim by calling then Abde 123. We are only Abde Allah. You were born Abde so were your parents. So every body has to be Abde something. Allah chose Prophet to reveal his religion. There is no hint in Quran or Sunnah that Islam needed further revelation. Islam was completed in Mecca during Hujj ul vida. Allah is said in Quran that he will protect his religion.
Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawood, etc are not "masoom" and their work is subject to all human errors. Still you regard their flaw-full work as flaw-less!!! Like Abde Kothar are religiously blind so are all like you hence, you and alike are indeed "Abde 1-2-3".

Stick to the topic and unlike Anajmi be intellectually honest to accept the facts of matter. Don't bring Mola Ali a.s., Imamat, etc - As I said if you wish to start discussion on it start a new thread or better consult the old one. But here stick to the subject and have courage and honesty to accept your faith falseness.
What is called religious leader.
One who leads prayer!
One who gives religious opinion based on Quran and Sunnah!
1,2,3 and 4 did that, didn't they?so they were both religious and temporal leaders.
Which authority will verify about the opinions given by your 'religious leaders' if they are in compliance with Quran & Sunnah or otherwise?
In Abde 1-2-3 religious structure there is no authority to verify religious opinion amplified by intellectually blind Mufti's!

All religious opinions you religiously follow through out your un-religeous life are subjective to human errors!!! And opinion of humans are often wrong.

We all agree Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. was the religious leader - was he appointed by public or by Allah? So the Sunnat of Rasoolallah s.a.w.w. is: that person will be religious leader who is appointed by Allah and not by humans.

In Fatimi Dawat structure - religious dictums are issued only by Imam or by Prophet's which are output sanctioned/commanded by Allah. With us religious dictums are authorised by Allah. And in your case they are subject to erroneous infected opinion by fallible human.

So you pretend you have religious leader - but you fall flat when asked who authorised that person as qualified to be religious leader and their is no authority with you to vet opinions of your pretended religious leader if they are giving fatwa out of their selfish desires or otherwise! Thus, to begin with beginning since inception of your sect (non-mumineen's) beginning with King Awwal till date you do not have any religious leader per Sunnat of Rasoolallah s.a.w.w..
If that was so why Ansars were gathered in Saqifa to claim leadership? Didn't they know about appointment of Ali as next Khalif?
Many of the Abde 1-2-3 and Abde Kothar have suffered loss of life, respect and goods in the hands of fanatics of one person - they forgot that single most life-threatening crucial experience and to surprise all elected him as the Prime Minister!!!! I know you have failed and exposed to truth about falseness of hollow faith you practice that is why you are again-and-again trying to derail by brining in Ali a.s. Imamat so to divert attention. Let me pull you back to the subject - stick to inheritance of Prophet s.a.w.w.w.

In nutshell, Mohammad s.a.w.w. is (1) Prophet of Islam as well (2) caliph of his region. Caliphate is private property of caliph, as proven in the analogies of caliphate of Abu Bakr, Umar and Banu Abbas/Umaiya. Private property of Caliph Mohammad s.a.w.w. will be inherited by his sole surviving daughter Molatina Fatima bint Rasoolallah s.a.w.w. Thus Etc, Etc and Etc are proven as usurpers.

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by Muslim First » Mon May 26, 2014 7:19 am

In nutshell, Mohammad s.a.w.w. is (1) Prophet of Islam as well (2) caliph of his region. Caliphate is private property of caliph,
So let's for a moment accept your claim. Islam is private property of Prophet.
Show me in Quran that Islam or leadership is private property of Prophet an his progeny thru Ali.
Who is living Khalif from Ali's progeny you recognize. Who you go for RAZA?

Brother you were brainwashed to worship humans and hate historical leaders. It is about time you woke up.

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by Muslim First » Mon May 26, 2014 7:21 am

In Abde 1-2-3 religious structure there is no authority to verify religious opinion amplified by intellectually blind Mufti's!
And who verifies yours?

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by Muslim First » Mon May 26, 2014 7:23 am

King Awwal till date you do not have any religious leader per Sunnat of Rasoolallah s.a.w.w..
We do not need one. We have a Quran and Sunnah as our kings.

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:40 am

Back to basics: Mohammed s.a.w.w. = (1) Prophet of Islam + (2) Caliph of region.

(1) is prescribed by Allah.
(2) Fatima bint Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. is the sole natural inheritor of caliphate.

1-2-3 hence have usurped Molatina Fatima bint Rasoolallah's s.a.w.w. right.

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:33 am

BJ
Mohammed s.a.w.w. = (1) Prophet of Islam + (2) Caliph of region.
Correct
Fatima bint Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. is the sole natural inheritor of caliphate.
And what was religious qualification of Fatima bint Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. To be Khalif?
1-2-3 hence have usurped Molatina Fatima bint Rasoolallah's s.a.w.w. right.
Islam is not personal property of anybody. You lead by knowledge.

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:16 am

And what was religious qualification of Fatima bint Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. To be Khalif?
Caliphate was the private property of Mohammed s.a.w.w. which should be inherited by his daughter Fatima a.s., level of religious knowledge has nothing to do for being a caliph. BTW Fatima a.s. was more knowledgeable than your etc, etc and etc.
Islam is not personal property of anybody. You lead by knowledge.
Context here is caliphate: it is private property of Mohammed s.a.w.w. Islam and caliphate are two separate issues. As caliphate was private and personal property of Mohammed s.a.w.w. hence your 1-2-3 were proven to be usurpers.

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:43 am

level of religious knowledge has nothing to do for being a caliph.
No wonder ignorant Dais are leading your community to hell.

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:47 am

caliphate: it is private property of Mohammed s.a.w.w.
Well, it was Allah's will that it go to Hazrat Abu Bakr (ra). We have seen billionaires being split from their billions. That is what happens with private property. One day it's yours and the next day it's gone. Fools like you never learnt this lesson from the teachings of the prophet (saw).

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sun Jun 08, 2014 12:38 pm

anajmi wrote:
level of religious knowledge has nothing to do for being a caliph.
No wonder ignorant Dais are leading your community to hell.
Correct, the current fake Dai is leading community to hell exactly like your etc, etc and etc are leading your entire Abde 1-2-3 community to hell for past 1400 years.

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sun Jun 08, 2014 12:43 pm

anajmi wrote:
caliphate: it is private property of Mohammed s.a.w.w.
Well, it was Allah's will that it go to Hazrat Abu Bakr (ra). We have seen billionaires being split from their billions. That is what happens with private property. One day it's yours and the next day it's gone. Fools like you never learnt this lesson from the teachings of the prophet (saw).
Your weak argument above is your acknowledgement that 1-2-3 are usurpers.

By logic of your idiotic arguments all thieves, rapist, murderor, etc of world including your etc, etc and etc are indeed executing Allah's will hence they should not be punished and indeed rewarded for them fulfilling Allah's will to commit act of theft, rape, murder, etc. Wah Moorkhanand Anajmi, wah!

Aapke aise he moorkhta bhare bewaqoof arguments ke chalte aap mumin se mushriq ban gaye.

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Jun 08, 2014 12:59 pm

By logic of your idiotic arguments all thieves, rapist, murderor, etc of world including your etc, etc and etc are indeed executing Allah's will hence they should not be punished and indeed rewarded for them fulfilling Allah's will to commit act of theft, rape, murder, etc. Wah Moorkhanand Anajmi, wah!
Now that is a great example of an idiotic argument. Thieves and rapists and murderers are not executing Allah's will. Hazrat Abu Bakr (ra), Hazrat Umur (ra), Hazrat Uthman (ra) and Hazrat Ali (ra) were executing Allah's will. Sorry but your arguments to equate one with other is like equating water with dirt. Only an idiot does that.

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:48 am

Allah has given free-will to humans. Humans, not Allah are solely responsible for their deeds.

Caliphate was private property of Prophet s.a.w.w. and should rightly be inherited by his sole surviving daughter Molatina Fatima a.s. but 1-2-3 usurped it from her for their selfish reasons. And outcome we all know, as professed by Hazrat Bukhari sahib and Hazrat Muslim sahib in their Sahih: Molatina Fatima a.s. was offended and she got angry with 1st and till his martyrdom she never spoke with 1st.

Remember same Hz. Bukhari and Hz. Muslim also narrated Prophet s.a.w.w. Hadith where Prophet s.a.w.w. said: Who ever has offended my daughter Fatima has indeed offended me. And whoever offend Mohammad s.a.w.w. has offended Allah.

Hence, etc, Etc and Etc are not only usurpers but are indeed offenders of Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w. and Allah.

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:56 am

Caliphate was private property of Prophet s.a.w.w.
Well, it was Allah's will that it go to Hazrat Abu Bakr (ra). We have seen billionaires being split from their billions. That is what happens with private property. One day it's yours and the next day it's gone. Fools like you never learnt this lesson from the teachings of the prophet (saw).

Allah says in the Quran

3:26 Say: "O Allah. Lord of Power (And Rule), Thou givest power to whom Thou pleasest, and Thou strippest off power from whom Thou pleasest: Thou enduest with honour whom Thou pleasest, and Thou bringest low whom Thou pleasest: In Thy hand is all good. Verily, over all things Thou hast power.

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by onlyprivate » Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:22 am

badrijanab wrote:Allah has given free-will to humans. Humans, not Allah are solely responsible for their deeds.

Caliphate was private property of Prophet s.a.w.w. and should rightly be inherited by his sole surviving daughter Molatina Fatima a.s. but 1-2-3 usurped it from her for their selfish reasons. And outcome we all know, as professed by Hazrat Bukhari sahib and Hazrat Muslim sahib in their Sahih: Molatina Fatima a.s. was offended and she got angry with 1st and till his martyrdom she never spoke with 1st.

Remember same Hz. Bukhari and Hz. Muslim also narrated Prophet s.a.w.w. Hadith where Prophet s.a.w.w. said: Who ever has offended my daughter Fatima has indeed offended me. And whoever offend Mohammad s.a.w.w. has offended Allah.

Hence, etc, Etc and Etc are not only usurpers but are indeed offenders of Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w. and Allah.
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If u said above is true than also it is nothing to do with us as individual. This is history. If 1-3 did crime they will get punishment. Y r u bothering and talking always same story. N made this episode as base of religion.
Islam is Quran and sunna. U will be asked about ur deeds n not about 1-3 deeds. Learn Quran translation to know Islam. Bohra lollipop is good for nothing.

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Re: Inheritance of Prophet

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Unread post by badrijanab » Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:02 am

onlyprivate wrote:
badrijanab wrote:Allah has given free-will to humans. Humans, not Allah are solely responsible for their deeds.

Caliphate was private property of Prophet s.a.w.w. and should rightly be inherited by his sole surviving daughter Molatina Fatima a.s. but 1-2-3 usurped it from her for their selfish reasons. And outcome we all know, as professed by Hazrat Bukhari sahib and Hazrat Muslim sahib in their Sahih: Molatina Fatima a.s. was offended and she got angry with 1st and till his martyrdom she never spoke with 1st.

Remember same Hz. Bukhari and Hz. Muslim also narrated Prophet s.a.w.w. Hadith where Prophet s.a.w.w. said: Who ever has offended my daughter Fatima has indeed offended me. And whoever offend Mohammad s.a.w.w. has offended Allah.

Hence, etc, Etc and Etc are not only usurpers but are indeed offenders of Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w. and Allah.
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If u said above is true than also it is nothing to do with us as individual. This is history. If 1-3 did crime they will get punishment. Y r u bothering and talking always same story. N made this episode as base of religion.
Islam is Quran and sunna. U will be asked about ur deeds n not about 1-3 deeds. Learn Quran translation to know Islam. Bohra lollipop is good for nothing.
1. Form where will you get the info about authentic Sunnat of Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w.?

2. If you concluded that 1-2-3 are anti-Islam then why you follow their mal-practices? Example) Sunnat of Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w. was all Nafil Salat (like Tarawi) (originally) were not congregation prayers, but your 2nd made it so. Then why you do not follow original Mohammad s.a.w.w. sunnat than following anti-Sunnat malpractices of 2nd, who by your own admission was worth not following.

FYI - Per Sahih Bukhar and Sahih Muslim all trio 1-2-3 were not worth following indeed they did what Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w. never did. And ONLY Ameer-al-Mumineen Mola Ali a.s. ditto did what Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w. did. So Fatimi Dawat in true sense is true "Sunni", same was said by our rightful Dai Mutlaq Shaheed Sayyeddna Qutbuddin a.q. Ahmedabad: "Ain che Sunni, Sunnat ni rash per." In true spirit and sense we are Sunni and not you O' Maloon Aurangzeb."

Your Sunnat source are extremely noisy and severely contradictory! Thus it is unreliable.

Mola Ali a.s. knows all what Prophet Mohammad s.a.w.w. told in public but public not necessarily knows all what Mohammad s.a.w.w. told to Mola Ali a.s. - Fatimi Dawat has sourced all Sunnat-a-Mohammadi s.a.w.w. from Mola Ali a.s. and his rightful successor first Imam Molana Hasan a.s. and then the chain follow. So Sunnat mentioned in our books which are vouched and vetted by Farzand-a-Rasool s.a.w.w. the Fatimi Imam's are free of all contradictions, are orderly and trustworthy.

Remember Allah has commanded the believers to be lover of Ahle-Bayt. And per your sihah-sitta: Ahle-bayt are Mohammad, Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Hussain a.s. Per your own Sahih Muslim - Above fiver are party to Ahle-bayt, Hazrat Aisha or your 1-2-3 are not party of Ahle-Bayt.

Quran profess (verses of Mubahila - validated by Sahih Muslim): Above five Fatimi Dawat figures are the representative of Islam religion in front of world especially when the 'muqabla' is with bigger enemies like Christians. 1-2-3 or Aisha or Mawiya are not the representative of Islam! After Mohammad s.a.w.w. the representative of Islam will be Ameer-al-Mumineen Mola Ali a.s. not the 1-2-3. So what lacks in your sect is love for Panjatan & their mustaqar Imam chain and baraat (boycott) of 1-2-3 as religious figure, love is must as demanded by Allah in Quran and Prophet in Hadith - you will be questioned on it and all non-Fatimi Dawat followers including Abde 1-2-3 have and will miserably fail.