"Pakistan" No Country for Shias

[Taqdeer]

I understand Ismailis and Bohras have been advised to leave Pakistan and take refuge elsewhere. This is frightening and reminds one of Zanzibar revolution and the days that followed.

Let us pray for their safety Amen.

Attacks against the Shias of Pakistan are now so frequent and so normal that they are seen in run rate terms.

Last Friday, after 57 Shias were murdered by two suicide bombers near Peshawar, the police told a New York Times reporter that “it’s like Ricky Ponting playing cricket.”

There has been an attack by the Taliban every day for the past five months in the frontier province, the report said. The militants have also gone after the army and the government, but local Shias remain a special target.

In Balochistan, Shias have been hunted down with such frequency that their killing does not even make it to the front pages. I have been writing columns in Pakistani papers for years, and I have noticed the casual manner in which these deaths are reported. Often, they involve the stopping of buses and the execution one after the other of all Shia passengers. These Baloch Shias are easy to identify because they are Hazaras, a community with Mongol ancestry.

In January, more than 120 of them were killed after a suicide bomber detonated himself in a snooker hall in Quetta. Cruelly, a bomb was then set off in an ambulance to also go after the rescuers.

In Pakistan’s largest city Karachi, a bomb killed 48 Shias in March.

The targeting of the community is possible because it has separate mosques and unique religious processions. There is also segregation of Shias in Pakistani cities, just as Muslims live apart in India, and this has always been so.

For a few years now, however, the demand has been that the Shias be apostatized. Mohd Fayyaz, a candidate in this year’s election from Karachi told the BBC: “We don’t want to murder Shias. We want them to be declared non-Muslim in the National Assembly. That is what we’re working towards.”

Why are the Shias of Pakistan so hated? One reason has to do with Pakistan’s use of militias against India and in Afghanistan.

The Lashkar-e-Taiba is part of the Ahl-e-Hadith, a group Fayyaz is part of. In Balochistan and southern Punjab the Shia killers are from the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, drawn from the same cadre as the Jaish-e-Mohammad.

The promotion of these groups by the State has meant that their ideology has also come to be seen as acceptable. And so the army and ISI are to blame.

The other reason, the main one, is actually the fault of politicians.

Pakistani law emphasizes religious and sectarian division. This can be directly attributed to Jinnah’s politics, and the actions of his lieutenants.

Pakistan’s constitution discriminates against Hindus, Sikhs and Christians, who are banned from holding high office. In the 1960s, President Ayub Khan wrote the law that barred non-Muslims from becoming president.

After him, in the 1970s, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto banned non-Muslims from becoming prime minister. Bhutto also constitutionally apostatized the Ahmedis, who are forbidden religious freedom.

And then, under President Zia-ul-Haq, came the turn of the Shias. This was done in 1980 through altering the penal code. A law was introduced that criminalized anything said against ‘any of the righteous caliphs (Khulafa-e-Rashideen) or companions (Sahaaba) of the Holy Prophet description for a term which may extend to three years, or with fine, or with both’.

Now the Shia belief is that the only rightful successor to the prophet was his son-in-law Ali. They consider the other caliphs not righteous, as the law demands they do, but as usurpers. And so the introduction of this law made the practice of Shia doctrine a crime.

When the state itself discriminates in this manner, it is not surprising that society has gone the way it has. The constant emphasis on inclusion, which India’s founding fathers wisely stressed, has no parallel in Pakistan.

The ideological state insists on purity, and it should not surprise us that the state in Pakistan has begun to eat its own. The remarkable thing is that Jinnah, himself a Shia, did not know this and believed, or at least maintained, that Pakistan would be a pluralist society despite its founding along communal lines.

Today it is no longer accepted in Pakistan that he even thought this.

A famous speech he made four days before Partition assuring all Pakistanis equality is lost and there is no audio record of it.

Six months after Jinnah’s death, his picked successors took the logic of Partition ahead and declared that ‘sovereignty over the entire universe belongs to Allah Almighty alone’.

They promised democracy, freedom, equality, tolerance and social justice, but ‘as enunciated by Islam’. Minorities were given ‘adequate provision’ to ‘freely profess and practice their religions’. Zia arbitrarily removed the word ‘freely’ and its status in the constitution is now uncertain.

Today, Pakistan is the most violent place on earth and the victims of the terrorist violence in it are Muslims. The violence has become normalized and its levels and frequency no longer draw out any change in thinking, or any real alarm, in the government, civil society or the media.

Pakistanis often write that despite the predictions of doom, their nation is surviving. They are wrong to anticipate it as a big event.

The collapse of the Pakistani state is happening not with a bang, unless it is the bang of the suicide bomber. It is coming with a slow, boring repetition.

[Bohra spring]

How can anyone claim they need secular freedom and right when one ideology's fundamental practise is to abuse and insult the leaders of another ideology.

Democracy and freedom of worship does not mean freedom to insult and irritate another. If all Shias demanded that they worship or honour Alhlul Bayt and not honor the Khalifa I would support that level of tolerance , but I cannot support the freedom of Shias to abuse the Ashabas daughters or choice of seniority of their Khalifa and make that a frequent ritual. I consider that deliberate provocation and we all know it has consequence that lead to death and destruction.

I personally respect all the 1,2,3 4 5 6 and don't care if the order was 4, 5 6 and 1,2,3 all I care they lived in peace when the prophet was around and am not too bothered what happened after that as the history was written hundreds of years after the Prophet saw death. Before Shia demand tolerance they have to demonstrate civility and tolerance of the other sects.

Until we attain that level of ideological maturity and cool temper we can demand other aspirational needs.

[james]

How can anyone claim they need secular freedom and right when one ideology's fundamental practise is to abuse and insult the leaders of another ideology.

Democracy and freedom of worship does not mean freedom to insult and irritate another. If all Shias demanded that they worship or honour Alhlul Bayt and not honor the Khalifa I would support that level of tolerance , but I cannot support the freedom of Shias to abuse the Ashabas daughters or choice of seniority of their Khalifa and make that a frequent ritual. I consider that deliberate provocation and we all know it has consequence that lead to death and destruction.

I personally respect all the 1,2,3 4 5 6 and don't care if the order was 4, 5 6 and 1,2,3 all I care they lived in peace when the prophet was around and am not too bothered what happened after that as the history was written hundreds of years after the Prophet saw death. Before Shia demand tolerance they have to demonstrate civility and tolerance of the other sects.

Until we attain that level of ideological maturity and cool temper we can demand other aspirational needs.

Muslims should stop antagonizing the Christians by referring to Jesus as a "Prophet".How dare Muslims call "Son of God" to be a mere prophet ? That is deliberate provocation and we all know such powerful accusations have consequences which will lead to death and destruction.

You just got hoisted by your own petard!

[james]

How can anyone claim they need secular freedom and right when one ideology's fundamental practise is to abuse and insult the leaders of another ideology.

Democracy and freedom of worship does not mean freedom to insult and irritate another. If all Shias demanded that they worship or honour Alhlul Bayt and not honor the Khalifa I would support that level of tolerance , but I cannot support the freedom of Shias to abuse the Ashabas daughters or choice of seniority of their Khalifa and make that a frequent ritual. I consider that deliberate provocation and we all know it has consequence that lead to death and destruction.

I personally respect all the 1,2,3 4 5 6 and don't care if the order was 4, 5 6 and 1,2,3 all I care they lived in peace when the prophet was around and am not too bothered what happened after that as the history was written hundreds of years after the Prophet saw death. Before Shia demand tolerance they have to demonstrate civility and tolerance of the other sects.

Until we attain that level of ideological maturity and cool temper we can demand other aspirational needs.

All the followers of various Abrahamic religions should stop antagonizing the followers of Satanism. How dare Muslims abuse Satan the Supernatural Deity of Satanism ? That is deliberate provocation and we all know such powerful accusations have consequences which will lead to death and destruction.

You just got hoisted by your own petard once again!

[chocoman]

Hey! Bohra spring does the world revolve around you!? Do you really think it matters who you respect and what you do?! The answer is negative....I Dont understand why you're acting hero and reprimanding shias....... I'm sure you haven't felt the pain of seeing your loved ones torn apart. I pray you Dont......like how my shia brothers have been bearing it for all these years.

Well, 'deliberate provocation' is not the matter now because shias have tried to establish harmony and refrain from abusing. However the terror attack on us have become a status quo, no matter how much they try people like you have a mind set to attack and they will do it!!!! I Dont understand may be its the Islam that you follow or you are born with this raging hate for us!

However, the amusing part is that people like you demanding ideological maturity from shias......really!!!???? Look at you!! You have the right not to support any ones belief but killing one for the same....its atrocious, one may ask in 21st century, what progress have we made? Your comment exactly justifies it......

The truth is youre weak and just decided to get on the band wagon to support the cause of your brothers since you people are in numbers and you again are just a number who's adding weight to this world....by the way your aspirational needs.......YOU CAN STICK IT!!!

[Bohra spring]

Seriously are we saying Shias no longer abuse the Khalifas?

And the only reason Shias are being oppressed is because they love Ali And ahlul bayt and do Matam ? And we ignore the Khalifas as human beings if that was all they would not be upset as much as they currently are. In Sunni Khalifas are not elevated above pious Muslims some May get over zealous

We don't make fun of the Khalifa teachings or Aisha's service to Islam

Well if that is the case I am happy to apologise

Now did James try to compare the Khalifa to criticising satan or am I the only one seeing his complete disrespect and disregard . Strange he did not say is like us praising Modi.

Yes I hate this practise that my Bohra relatives practise and by the way I was born in a Bohra family and more than half are abde fanatics

I hate Sunni taking up arms to solve their issues that is another topic

This topic is why Sunni hate Shias and abusing their Khalifa is a big sticking point . If you go on and reality is they are majority then get ready if more of you getting to trouble . But by suppressing your urge to abuse literally lives can be saved . Fewer Shias will be hurt or killed common sense survival tactic

Next time ask yourself how are you contributing to this perpetual cycle of hatred before blaming others for all the blame

[tasneempati]

You dumb Wahabi first learn that there is no place for so called Khalifa in Islam. Islam only accept Prophet (PBUH) & Imams as their representatives.

Seriously are we saying Shias no longer abuse the Khalifas?

And the only reason Shias are being oppressed is because they love Ali And ahlul bayt and do Matam ? And we ignore the Khalifas as human beings if that was all they would not be upset as much as they currently are. In Sunni Khalifas are not elevated above pious Muslims some May get over zealous

We don't make fun of the Khalifa teachings or Aisha's service to Islam

Well if that is the case I am happy to apologise

Now did James try to compare the Khalifa to criticising satan or am I the only one seeing his complete disrespect and disregard . Strange he did not say is like us praising Modi.

Yes I hate this practise that my Bohra relatives practise and by the way I was born in a Bohra family and more than half are abde fanatics

I hate Sunni taking up arms to solve their issues that is another topic

This topic is why Sunni hate Shias and abusing their Khalifa is a big sticking point . If you go on and reality is they are majority then get ready if more of you getting to trouble . But by suppressing your urge to abuse literally lives can be saved . Fewer Shias will be hurt or killed common sense survival tactic

Next time ask yourself how are you contributing to this perpetual cycle of hatred before blaming others for all the blame

[zinger]

Seriously are we saying Shias no longer abuse the Khalifas?

And the only reason Shias are being oppressed is because they love Ali And ahlul bayt and do Matam YES THEY ARE FOR PRECISELY THIS REASON. SUNNI MUSLIMS, AND I DONT MEAN ALL OF THEM,BUT THE EXTREMIST VARIETY IN ALL ISLAMIC COUNTRIES KILL SHIAS ONLY BECAUSE THEY CAN. ONLY BECAUSE CERTAIN SHIA BELIEFS ARE DEEMED AS UNISLAMIC BY THIER OWN INTERPRETATIONS, THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE GOD? And we ignore the Khalifas as human beings if that was all they would not be upset as much as they currently are. In Sunni Khalifas are not elevated above pious Muslims some May get over zealous

We don't make fun of the Khalifa teachings or Aisha's service to Islam. NO ONE MAKES FUN OF THEM, THEY ARE DISREGARDED. REASONS ARE ALREADY KNOWN TO ALL AND HISTORY RECORDS IT TOO

Well if that is the case I am happy to apologise

Now did James try to compare the Khalifa to criticising satan or am I the only one seeing his complete disrespect and disregard . Strange he did not say is like us praising Modi. NO HE DID NOT. YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE SEEING IT AS DISREGARD AND DISRESPECT. JAMES HAS MADE NO SUCH COMPARISON AT ALL. LOOKS LIKE YOU PLAN TO TAKE THIS POST TO THE SAUDI ARABS AGAIN, LIKE THE LETTER THAT THE OTHER GUY HAD WRITTEN

Yes I hate this practise that my Bohra relatives practise and by the way I was born in a Bohra family and more than half are abde fanatics

I hate Sunni taking up arms to solve their issues that is another topic WHY CANT IT BE THIS TOPIC? IF YOU CAN BASH SHIAS THEN WHY DISCUSS SUNNIS IN ANOTHER TOPIC. BE HONEST TO YOURSELF AND RAISE THE ISSUE HERE. DONT TRY AND GET AWAY WITHOUT GIVING AN ANSWER FOR THIS[/b]

This topic is why Sunni hate Shias and abusing their Khalifa is a big sticking point . If you go on and reality is they are majority then get ready if more of you getting to trouble . But by suppressing your urge to abuse literally lives can be saved . Fewer Shias will be hurt or killed common sense survival tactic THIS HAS BECOME A HABIT FOR THE EXTREMISTS. THEY JUST NEED TO SEE A SHIA NOW TO SHOUT "KILL KILL KILL"

Next time ask yourself how are you contributing to this perpetual cycle of hatred before blaming others for all the blame TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SITE FOR ONE. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE BOHRAS AND SHIAS BEEN REFERRED TO AS GRAVE AND IDOL WORHSIPPERS? ASK YOURSELF NOW WHO IS CONTRIBUTING TO THIS

[james]

Seriously are we saying Shias no longer abuse the Khalifas?

And the only reason Shias are being oppressed is because they love Ali And ahlul bayt and do Matam ? And we ignore the Khalifas as human beings if that was all they would not be upset as much as they currently are. In Sunni Khalifas are not elevated above pious Muslims some May get over zealous

We don't make fun of the Khalifa teachings or Aisha's service to Islam

Well if that is the case I am happy to apologise

Now did James try to compare the Khalifa to criticising satan or am I the only one seeing his complete disrespect and disregard . Strange he did not say is like us praising Modi.

Yes I hate this practise that my Bohra relatives practise and by the way I was born in a Bohra family and more than half are abde fanatics

I hate Sunni taking up arms to solve their issues that is another topic

This topic is why Sunni hate Shias and abusing their Khalifa is a big sticking point . If you go on and reality is they are majority then get ready if more of you getting to trouble . But by suppressing your urge to abuse literally lives can be saved . Fewer Shias will be hurt or killed common sense survival tactic

Next time ask yourself how are you contributing to this perpetual cycle of hatred before blaming others for all the blame

[Muslim First]

We don't make fun of the Khalifa teachings or Aisha's service to Islam
Zinger
NO ONE MAKES FUN OF THEM, THEY ARE DISREGARDED. REASONS ARE ALREADY KNOWN TO ALL AND HISTORY RECORDS IT TOO

Are you kidding buddy.
Your mota Mulla did it on open mik and had to run away under police protection. Cursing 3+4 is S.O.P. Of Bohra Majlis.
Hatred and worshipfull love are standard tools of a cult.
They are disregarded?
I wish that was the case. Fairy tales are told every day. Kids learn to hate when they are in their mothers womb.
Take dose of reality buddy.

[chocoman]

Bohra spring........ You are lost, I think the creed you follow is doing you no good or is it your IQ? Your post makes no sense, I think you're pretty young, I dont blame you but I'm sure you can do better.

[Muslim First]

Comment
Next time ask yourself how are you contributing to this perpetual cycle of hatred before blaming others for all the blame
Zinge response
TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SITE FOR ONE. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE BOHRAS AND SHIAS BEEN REFERRED TO AS GRAVE AND IDOL WORHSIPPERS? ASK YOURSELF NOW WHO IS CONTRIBUTING TO THIS

Grave worshippers and Idol worshippers?
Is it not truth?
Did you ever read this thread?

Bismillah,

Finally bohras shows their true colors and betrays shia's of Imam Ali

they also declared MS as god on earth (nauzobillah) lanat on kafir and munafiqs

Listen and comment

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sd9xyuq2yhedx ... WA0001.aac

[true islam]

bohra spring are you shia or sunni!