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The mystery of India’s deadly exam scam

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:30 pm

The mystery of India’s deadly exam scam

It began with a test-fixing scandal so massive that it led to 2,000 arrests, including top politicians, academics and doctors. Then suspects started turning up dead. What is the truth behind the Vyapam scam that has gripped India?

For at least five years, thousands of young men and women had paid bribes worth millions of pounds in total to a network of fixers and political operatives to rig the official examinations run by the Madhya Pradesh Vyavsayik Pariksha Mandal – known as Vyapam – a state body that conducted standardised tests for thousands of highly coveted government jobs and admissions to state-run medical colleges. When the scandal first came to light in 2013, it threatened to paralyse the entire machinery of the state administration: thousands of jobs appeared to have been obtained by fraudulent means, medical schools were tainted by the spectre of corrupt admissions, and dozens of officials were implicated in helping friends and relatives to cheat the exams.

The Vyapam scandal began as an old-fashioned scam in a country with a long and storied history of corruption. Officials at the testing agency, along with their political backers and a network of fixers and touts, had charged preposterous sums of money to guarantee candidates either a government job or admission to a state medical college by fixing the results of the entrance examinations. Cheating of this sort was not a new phenomenon – but the enormous scale of the racket, the involvement of top government officials and medical colleges, and the alleged murder of suspects made the Vyapam scam into an explosive political controversy. The four-week long summer session of the Indian parliament in 2015 was completely paralysed by demands from the opposition Congress party for the resignation of Shivraj Singh Chouhan, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) chief minister of Madhya Pradesh.


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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/d ... -exam-scam



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Nov 02, 2016 5:18 pm

BJP GOVERNMENT IN MADHYA PRADESH ONCE AGAIN IN A DOCK FOR KILLING MUSLIMS IN A "FAKE ENCOUNTER"

The brazen Bhopal encounter killing is linked to the bogey of SIMI in Madhya Pradesh


Staging an ‘Encounter’: Madhya Pradesh Police Style

The brazen killing is linked to the bogey of SIMI being raised in the state for long


Questions are being rightfully raised about the suspicious circumstances in which eight under trial prisoners are alleged to have escaped from the Bhopal Central Jail, and then gunned down in a supposed encounter less than 12 hours later, less than ten kilometres away from the jail. Far too many discrepancies about the course of events, about the modus operandi of the jail break, and the ‘weapons’ they were carrying have emerged in the statements of the various state officials. Photographic and video evidence points to the staged nature of the encounter killing – down to the new clothes and shoes the undertrials were wearing, the suitcases lying strewn around the dead bodies, the gleaming knife a brave police officer recovers from the lifeless body. From the police version it appears that the Eight spent their short-lived time after jail break togging up in jeans and sports shoes, procuring dry fruits, suitcases and country made revolvers while giving no thought to really escaping the area. They did not even bother to split up.

The Madhya Pradesh police and administration has predictably brushed aside the criticism ignoring the multiple contradictions its own and government spokespersons have indulged in. The Chief Minister has announced that the NIA will probe the jailbreak but who is probing the ‘encounter’? Experience shows, in most cases of encounter, FIRs are filed against the deceased rather than the police party. The FIR in the killing of the Eight must be made public; their killings must not be allowed to fall into a legal blackhole.

No doubt, there will be those who will point to the purported SIMI affiliations of the deceased to justify their killings. Already, a central minister has lauded the encounter as a ‘morale booster’, as though nations need to be nourished by blood. In their book, a genuine encounter is one in which an alleged terrorist is killed, and one in which public perception can be managed successfully. Rule of Law however has a different test. It demands that the police demonstrate that the killing was a proportionate and justified response in face of murderous violence.

The cavalier way in which policemen can be seen pumping bullets into the supine bodies – that too on camera – can be understood in the context of the ease and success with which the SIMI bogey has been raised in Madhya Pradesh.

It is remarkable that there have been no incidents of terror attacks in Madhya Pradesh for the last many years. In fact, the only incident of actual violence was a shootout in Teen Pulia area of Khandwa district on 28 November 2009, in which three people, including an ATS constable, Sitaram Batham died. The local police alleged that the motorcycle borne assailant was a member of the outlawed association, SIMI. Except for this solitary incident – and the veracity of the assailant's link to SIMI or even whether this shootout was indicative of any terror activity rather than being an instance of 'ordinary' criminality, was not established – there have been no other incidents reported. For a state with such a history, the number of cases in which the accused were charged with furthering the activities of an unlawful association under UAPA is fairly high. As our report, Guilt by Association (2013) showed, cases are registered against former SIMI members, their friends and acquaintances – and sometimes people with no links to either SIMI when it was a lawful association, or any of its former members – in police stations in Indore, Seoni, Khandwa, Bhopal, Burhanpur, Ujjain, Neemuch, Guna etc, practically the entire state.

The FIRs are more or less identical – with similar allegations (shouting slogans in favour of the banned organization SIMI, vowing to take forward the cause, distributing pamhlets, possessing banned SIMI literature, membership slips, Urdu posters etc). Sometimes, the set of accused and the dates and time of the crime are also identical.

In some cases, the evidence of guilt is identical: for example, the same copy of a magazine has been produced in at least 4 different cases across the state. The same receipt of contribution to SIMI funds has been produced as evidence in two different cases.

In another case, clippings of Dainik Jagran newspaper, which carried stories about SIMI – especially story about Safdar Nagori's narco analysis – have been submitted as proof of 'furthering of activities of an unlawful association'. The Pithampur case of Dhar (FIR no. 120/2008), one of the most prominent SIMI cases of Madhya Pradesh is revealing of the way in which SIMI cases are manufactured in the state. Arrests of 13 leading SIMI activists were allegedly made on 27 March 2008. Immediately after the arrests, on 29 March 2008, the Senior Superintendent of Police, Dhar, shot off letters to various districts of Madhya Pradesh asking for registration of similar cases. These letters immediately set of a chain reaction, resulting in 18 cases within one month, and another four over next six months. This surely must have been a record of sorts!

Many accused, appearing regularly in FIRs across the state were later also arraigned in terror and blast cases outside the state. Cases against Aquil Khilji, one of those killed, were regularly registered from 2001 onwards, right from when SIMI was banned. Most of the cases pertained to possession and distribution of ‘unlawful’ literature. In June 2011, the Khandwa police claimed that they had raided Khilji’s house at midnight and busted a SIMI meeting where Khilji and others were planning a terror strike. Among those ‘arrested’ were Khaleel and Amjad, also killed in the ‘encounter’. It might be interesting to note that while the police preened through the media about this midnight raid carried on the intervening night of 13-14th June, families of Khaleel and Amjad had moved applications in the CJM’s court complaining that the police had picked up and detained their sons between 10th- 12th June, failing to produce them before the magistrate even after the lapse of 24 hours. In response to these applications, the City Kotwali police submitted to the CJM that though Khaleel had been called to the police station on 10 June, he had not been detained thereafter. The police also claimed that Amjad had not been traceable and could not be questioned. These responses are dated 13th June. So, these foolhardy and senseless ‘SIMI’ activists had decided to convene a meeting the same night – in the middle of being questioned and searched by the police – to plan a terror strike.

Such are the SIMI stories of Madhya Pradesh police. In trying to prove the ‘encounter’ genuine, they have outdone even themselves. The killing must be situated in this context of longstanding criminalization of SIMI, and these numerous cases booked against Muslim men (and at least in one case, also two young women) across the state.

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:34 am

Who cares if an encounter is,
fake or real,
as long as the terrorists are real.

read the simi manual and manisfesto
they want sharia law and smacks of extreme wahabi ideology
even ur favourite teesta setalvad has written against it
they beleive sharia law to be above country law.
and they got what they wanted.
in fact in sharia implemented saudi--they would have long been executed
so whinning now unnessarily?



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:41 pm

qutub_mamajiwala wrote:Who cares if an encounter is,
fake or real,
as long as the terrorists are real.

read the simi manual and manisfesto
they want sharia law and smacks of extreme wahabi ideology
even ur favourite teesta setalvad has written against it
they beleive sharia law to be above country law.
and they got what they wanted.
in fact in sharia implemented saudi--they would have long been executed
so whinning now unnessarily?
Hypocrites like you who shout democracy democracy when it suits your agenda change tracks when it comes to implementing law of the land in a democratic country because even an idiot having an IQ of a room temperature will tell you that "extra judicial" killings is unlawful and amounts to murder !! It is secondary whether the victims are SIMI activists or Al Qaeeda recruits and in this case the victims were UNDERTRIALS who were NOT yet convicted of offences they were charged with as the case was going on in the court of law. There are innumerable examples of Muslims detained for crimes such as murder and terror who were languishing in jails for years together and were ultimately acquitted by court as NO charge could be proved against them, for details refer to the thread "Muslims & The Men In Khakhi - (No) Crime & Punishment" in Islam Today section. But a half chaddi fascist RSS bhakt will refuse to understand this simple logic !!



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Unread post by Humsafar » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:24 pm

qutub_mamajiwala wrote:Who cares if an encounter is,
fake or real,
as long as the terrorists are real.

read the simi manual and manisfesto
they want sharia law and smacks of extreme wahabi ideology
even ur favourite teesta setalvad has written against it
they beleive sharia law to be above country law.
and they got what they wanted.
in fact in sharia implemented saudi--they would have long been executed
so whinning now unnessarily?
Good rebuttal Ghulam Muhammed. Just want to add that to support extra-judicial killing is to support fascism which is the direction in which India is heading under Modi.



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Unread post by SBM » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:20 am

read the simi manual and manisfesto
So you are equating SIMI with Narendra Modi's Govt. Thank you



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:52 pm

Humsafar wrote:Just want to add that to support extra-judicial killing is to support fascism which is the direction in which India is heading under Modi.
Modi had started the process via his man friday, the burly Amit Shah !! It was under Modi's rule in Gujarat that Sohrabuddin, his wife Kausar bi and the young college student Ishrat Jehan alongwith 5 others were brutally killed in "Fake Encounters". Amit Shah alongwith a bunch of senior police officers were also jailed for a few months but no sooner did Modi come to power at the centre, ALL the accused were not only set free but the mastermind Amit Shah was rewarded with the position of BJP National President and the police officers were taken by the department and PROMOTED to the ranks of DGP and IG Police.



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Unread post by SBM » Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:50 am

qutub_mamajiwala wrote:Who cares if an encounter is,
fake or real,
http://www.ndtv.com/video/news/truth-vs ... eststories



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:28 pm

Media Under Pressure: CNN News 18 Drops Explosive Encounter Story; NDTV India 'Punished'

“Q: Should we keep any one alive?

A: No not at all”


“Kill them all”, “If they are not dead yet kill them all”, “Game is Over, All 8 will have to die now”, “Don’t hesitate, finish them all” are just some of the phrases that were flashed by CNN News 18 across television screens. The channel said it was playing wireless exchanges between the Police Van and the Police Control Room as the eight alleged SIMI suspects were killed in an encounter that has raised serious questions of fair play. This audio tape with incriminating evidence as per the news telecast by the channel follows a short video clip of the alleged encounter earlier. This was widely circulated, shared by most television channels and was available on Youtube. The men were seen as unarmed, and the video had the cops pumping a second round of bullets into an inert body of one of the victims,

Serious questions were raised as a result about the encounter being fake, with opposition leaders and the media demanding an impartial enquiry.


The wireless exchanges obtained exclusively by CNN News 18 went several steps further as the above quotes show. And virtually established through the conversations that the police on the ground had been directed to eliminate all the suspects, and ensure that no one lived to tell the tale.

A citizen on YouTube has however, ensured that the story is not completely lost even though it never did make it to prime time:

As the word spread of the new ‘evidence’ and more and more persons switched on to the channel that seemed to be defying the current television norm by playing the tape, the news was seemingly suddenly dropped. The channel cut to what it described as #OROPDeathPolitics and the big headline story disappeared as if it had never been telecast.

There was not a word of explanation, not even a blurb to indicate that TVNews 18 had been playing the tapes of the wirless exchanges for at least an hour if not more, raising questions arising from the exchanges, and calling for an independent enquiry into the death of the 8 undertrials.

It was bold journalism in these times, and raised eyebrows within the journalistic community. In fact even as a journalist informed this reporter of the news breaking on the channel he added, “surprising that they are actually showing all this. It is enough to place the government in the dock now.”

The surprise ended a little later with CNN News 18 taking the news and the tapes off the air with coverage moving to OROP. A blockbuster story by any journalistic standards was dropped, without a word of explanation. It is as if it never was with viewers coming on to the channel after 620pm or thereabouts not even getting a whisper that the channel had actually got hold of tapes that confirmed police collusion in wiping out eight suspects.

CNN News 18 is owned by Reliance industrialist Mukesh Ambani. The story disappeared just as the anchors and the news team were building the story, and the evening campaign on these sensational wireless exchanges. It was taken off air shortly after the channel had Minister of State for Home Affairs Kirit Rijiju came on to say that he could not understand why such questions were being raised, and that scribes would do well not to question the police and the authorites on their work. The anchor came back on to play the tapes and raise the questions when suddenly...poof… it all vanished without a trace.

Meanwhile NDTV India that has been under the government scanner for a while has been served a show cause notice for its coverage of the Pathankot terror attack. An inter ministerial committee of the Information and Broadcasting ministry was formed to look into these allegations, and recommended that the Hindi channel of NDTV---becoming increasingly popular because of an independent anchor---be taken off the air as a punishment for a day on November 9. If this happens---the news was not confirmed by either the government or officially by the channel---this will the first ever such action against a broadcaster.

The committee that was set up predictably recommended that crucial information about the Pathankot terror attacks had been telecast by the channel and that this could have been picked up by the handlers of terrorists to “cause massive harm not only to national security but also to lives of civilians and defence personnel.”

Reports suggest that the channel in its response to the show cause had said that the information put out on the channel was all in the public domain, and that the committee’s was a case of what it termed “subjective interpretation”. The committee did not agree that the material had been printed by newspapers as well.

The committee has now recommended that as a punishment the channel be taken off air for a day.

http://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/News ... a-Punished



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:37 pm

The perversity of extrajudicial killings

When the state acts with impunity, it erases the sharp line that separates the state from criminals

The enduring fiction about extrajudicial executions, euphemistically called “encounters”, had been that these were not planned, but sudden incidents necessitated by fast-moving circumstances, where the police shot, but always in self-defence.

The police were in hot pursuit of alleged criminals who posed a grave danger to innocent civilians (Mumbai’s underworld criminals, Uttar Pradesh’s dacoits, Sohrabuddin Sheikh, or now, members of a banned outfit like the Students Islamic Movement of India, or SIMI). The police were shot at; the police fired back in response, and the dangerous men and women were killed before they could be brought to trial. Each and every time, the police were left with no choice.

The videos that emerged on Monday, of Madhya Pradesh police killing eight SIMI members who were undertrials and had allegedly escaped from a secure prison in Bhopal, and who were armed with what is described as weapons made out of utensils, are deeply troubling. Police officers carry weapons for a purpose—to protect law-abiding civilians and themselves, and there are protocols in place setting out clear rules about when, how and under what circumstances the weapons can be used. The overriding aim has to be to arrest the persons—not kill them—and bring them to trial.

Those rules of engagement seem to have completely evaporated. To be sure, while pictures tell a story words cannot, shaky videos seen out of sequence do not tell the full story. I acknowledge that what we have seen is only part of the story. But those scenes are alarming for three reasons.

One, it seems the SIMI men wanted to talk. They are on a rock, not fleeing, nor advancing menacingly, and they seem to be keen to negotiate. Two, a man (presumably a plain-clothes officer) going through the dead bodies finds a large knife wrapped in plastic hidden in a band in the trousers. The blade does not have a sheath covering it nor a belt with which to strap it firmly around the dead man’s waist, and it is placed in such a way that it would be almost impossible for the man even to walk, let alone run, without wounding his thigh. And three, the police are firing on the bodies lying on the ground, after it is clear they are unconscious or dead.

Even more astonishing is the brazenness. It is as if the police have given up all pretence of respecting the law and the rights of citizens, even if they are suspects.

There was a time when the police would get indignant and embarrassed if reporters or human rights activists made allegations that they had killed people without due process.

Here, someone has filmed the incident, and the filming isn’t surreptitious. In one of the videos you see someone’s hand holding up a cellphone filming or photographing the incident, and nobody seriously tries to stop him.

Such impudence is not unique to the police in Madhya Pradesh. Just a week ago, in a scene that would have been appropriate in a farcical movie, policemen in neighbouring Chhattisgarh burnt effigies of author and academic Nandini Sundar, activist Soni Sori, former Communist MLA Manish Kunjam, and activists Bela Bhatia and Himanshu Kumar.

Journalist Malini Subramaniam, who was reporting on the plight of Adivasis and police atrocities in Chhattisgarh and then had to flee the state, was called a traitor. With self-righteous innocence, the local police chief called critics of his force “anti-national”.

Yes, anti-national; that word again. Broadcast journalist Rahul Kanwal was shocked to find that some channels which had access to the fake encounter video (which his network showed), chose not to run it, for doing so would be “anti-national”.

He added: “Exposing a fake encounter is not anti-national. Staying silent when you know that an encounter appears fake is what is truly anti-national.”

The media’s raison d’être is to reveal what the powerful want to conceal; it is not to comply with the wishes of the powerful and become a purveyor of propaganda. Journalists have been called worse than anti-national, of course, but in the post-Uri environment, many journalists are anxious to wrap themselves in the national flag lest their patriotism be questioned.

Challenging the government, or the uniformed authorities, is now not only wrong, it is an act of betrayal, even high treason. So networks are shy to challenge the official narrative, even dropping a scheduled interview with former home minister P. Chidambaram, as one network did, lest it be accused of undermining the army.

Extrajudicial executions are exactly what the phrase implies—killings by the state outside the purview of the law. When the state acts with impunity, it erases the sharp line that separates the state from criminals. It undermines democracy, it diminishes the nation’s founding values and it delegitimizes the state’s authority. It sends a message that it is all right to disregard the Constitution, that it is fine to act outside the law. Erosion of standards doesn’t matter; principles, norms, rules are for the soft-hearted weak-kneed lawyers, liberals, journalists and activists. Stuff happens.

But when policemen start filming themselves shooting at bodies already lying motionless, the perversity and audacity have reached a new low. It shows a state beyond shame.

http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/ghq0c7O ... lings.html



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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:17 am

SBM wrote:
read the simi manual and manisfesto
So you are equating SIMI with Narendra Modi's Govt. Thank you
simi manifesto does not respect others faith.
while in fascit govt, there are other faiths respected and allowed to pray provided they adhere to secularism



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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:25 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:Who cares if an encounter is,
fake or real,
as long as the terrorists are real.

read the simi manual and manisfesto
they want sharia law and smacks of extreme wahabi ideology
even ur favourite teesta setalvad has written against it
they beleive sharia law to be above country law.
and they got what they wanted.
in fact in sharia implemented saudi--they would have long been executed
so whinning now unnessarily?
Hypocrites like you who shout democracy democracy when it suits your agenda change tracks when it comes to implementing law of the land in a democratic country because even an idiot having an IQ of a room temperature will tell you that "extra judicial" killings is unlawful and amounts to murder !! It is secondary whether the victims are SIMI activists or Al Qaeeda recruits and in this case the victims were UNDERTRIALS who were NOT yet convicted of offences they were charged with as the case was going on in the court of law. There are innumerable examples of Muslims detained for crimes such as murder and terror who were languishing in jails for years together and were ultimately acquitted by court as NO charge could be proved against them, for details refer to the thread "Muslims & The Men In Khakhi - (No) Crime & Punishment" in Islam Today section. But a half chaddi fascist RSS bhakt will refuse to understand this simple logic !!
bro democracy and law of land is for them who respect it and follow it.
do simi people respect secularism?, democracy?
they keep sharia above land law.
want sharia law in everything.
think their religion is supreme and others are low class
atleast in hindus--they agree there is caste system which needs to be eradicated.
but simi people have this supremascist feeling of their religion and ideology.
judicial courts and our legal system is unable to handle this kind of thinking.
first make their thinking open and then try in sharia courts.
if u respect acquittal of courts so much--then ur butcher was also acquitted as no charge was proved against him.
so he becomes saint isnt it?
hiding behind judicial acquittal and democracy when themselves not beleiving in it is worst kind of hypocrisy



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:08 pm

qutub_mamajiwala wrote:bro democracy and law of land is for them who respect it and follow it.
So according to you, kill all the thieves, rioters, drug peddlars, rapists, corrupt people etc. just because they don't respect law of the land even if they are living in a democratic country ! Its time for you to migrate to Saudi or ISIS stronghold as they also have the same mentality.
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:do simi people respect secularism?, democracy?
they keep sharia above land law.
Do your counterparts Yogi Adityanath, Togadia, Sadhvi Prachi and Gau Rakshaks respect secularism ? They keep Hindutva above law of the land.
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:atleast in hindus--they agree there is caste system which needs to be eradicated.
Look at what your mentors in RSS and Brahmins in Indian villages have done to Dalits in Una and other places ! They are not interested in eradicating caste system but eradicating the caste as a whole !
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:but simi people have this supremascist feeling of their religion and ideology.
judicial courts and our legal system is unable to handle this kind of thinking.
RSS, VHP, Bajrang leaders have MORE of supremascist feeling of their religion and ideology and judicial courts and legal system is unable to handle this as these rodents are deeply infested in courts and bureaucracy especially after Modi Raj.
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:if u respect acquittal of courts so much--then ur butcher was also acquitted as no charge was proved against him.
so he becomes saint isnt it?
The butcher is a saint for you and not for me ! He is a butcher for every right minded muslim and a Nero for Supreme Court of India. FYI, He is NOT acquitted as yet and the trial is still pending upto the Supreme Court although it is unlikely that he will be punished for his deeds till such time that this fascist and corrupt government is in power inspite of the fact that almost every international human rights organisation has found him guilty. Everyone knows that George Bush and Tony Blair are also guilty for their war crimes but still they roam scott free and so does Dawood Ibrahim !
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:hiding behind judicial acquittal and democracy when themselves not beleiving in it is worst kind of hypocrisy
Speaking with a forked tongue is the worst kind of hypocrisy ! On one hand you bark loud about democracy and on the other hand you criticise the judiciary when it suits you !



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:33 pm

The BJP is in a dilemma. On the one hand they do not want to be too closely identified with the murderous police but on the other hand they want to take maximum political advantage out of the fact that killing Muslims always brings nice dividends to their vote bank.



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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:32 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:bro democracy and law of land is for them who respect it and follow it.
So according to you, kill all the thieves, rioters, drug peddlars, rapists, corrupt people etc. just because they don't respect law of the land even if they are living in a democratic country ! Its time for you to migrate to Saudi or ISIS stronghold as they also have the same mentality.
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:do simi people respect secularism?, democracy?
they keep sharia above land law.
Do your counterparts Yogi Adityanath, Togadia, Sadhvi Prachi and Gau Rakshaks respect secularism ? They keep Hindutva above law of the land.
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:atleast in hindus--they agree there is caste system which needs to be eradicated.
Look at what your mentors in RSS and Brahmins in Indian villages have done to Dalits in Una and other places ! They are not interested in eradicating caste system but eradicating the caste as a whole !
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:but simi people have this supremascist feeling of their religion and ideology.
judicial courts and our legal system is unable to handle this kind of thinking.
RSS, VHP, Bajrang leaders have MORE of supremascist feeling of their religion and ideology and judicial courts and legal system is unable to handle this as these rodents are deeply infested in courts and bureaucracy especially after Modi Raj.
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:if u respect acquittal of courts so much--then ur butcher was also acquitted as no charge was proved against him.
so he becomes saint isnt it?
The butcher is a saint for you and not for me ! He is a butcher for every right minded muslim and a Nero for Supreme Court of India. FYI, He is NOT acquitted as yet and the trial is still pending upto the Supreme Court although it is unlikely that he will be punished for his deeds till such time that this fascist and corrupt government is in power inspite of the fact that almost every international human rights organisation has found him guilty. Everyone knows that George Bush and Tony Blair are also guilty for their war crimes but still they roam scott free and so does Dawood Ibrahim !
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:hiding behind judicial acquittal and democracy when themselves not beleiving in it is worst kind of hypocrisy
Speaking with a forked tongue is the worst kind of hypocrisy ! On one hand you bark loud about democracy and on the other hand you criticise the judiciary when it suits you !
killer rapists and murder is a law and order problem and has to be dealt with it like that
but in sharia law rapist is allowed to escape and victim faces lashes.
do u want that?
why dont u say it openly then?
criminal is one thing and not respecting other faiths and trying to convert other by force and mocking other faith is another thing.
for criminals there is criminal law, but for poisonous ideology there is no law yet.
they have to be defeated by the language they understand.
and they understand only supremacist language.

and ur free to kill adityanath sadhvi and other
no issues



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:10 pm

qutub_mamajiwala wrote:but in sharia law rapist is allowed to escape and victim faces lashes.
do u want that?
why dont u say it openly then?
Why are you so obsessed with Sharia Law ?? And BTW, where have I suggested implementing Sharia Law ? This is what happens when people are given a dose of their own medicine. You don't have any defence for your masters in Nagpur so you come up with an imaginary Sharia Law which is not an issue in India in order to cover up the wrongdoings of your half chaddi brothers operating under RSS/BJP/VHP/Bajrang Dal banners !



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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:12 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:but in sharia law rapist is allowed to escape and victim faces lashes.
do u want that?
why dont u say it openly then?
Why are you so obsessed with Sharia Law ?? And BTW, where have I suggested implementing Sharia Law ? This is what happens when people are given a dose of their own medicine. You don't have any defence for your masters in Nagpur so you come up with an imaginary Sharia Law which is not an issue in India in order to cover up the wrongdoings of your half chaddi brothers operating under RSS/BJP/VHP/Bajrang Dal banners !
you are disillusioned completely.
their ultimate goal is to do that only precisely.
they have done that in indonesia in appache province.
unconstitutionally in kerala and west benagal.



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:05 pm

qutub_mamajiwala wrote:they have done that in indonesia in appache province.
You should have a plum posting in IB, CBI or RAW because even they are not privy to the secret that Indian Mujahideen has a presence in Indonesia !