Bohras fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by Maqbool » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:52 am

What is the moral of the story?
You should not wear a Topi in the public places so that it puts the whole community in the awkward position.

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by profastian » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:54 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
profastian wrote:Just take a small survery. Ask any common bohris anywhere. Just see how many will be willing to touch modi's feet.
Just take a small survey. Ask any bohras anywhere and see how many approve of the dai's actions of felicitating Modi in a Masjid, draping a shawl round him and giving him a cheque of more then Rs. One crore.
Yeah sure do that. It will certainly jerk you out of your delusion.

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by Ala maqaam » Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:04 am

Maqbool wrote:What is the moral of the story?
You should not wear a Topi in the public places so that it puts the whole community in the awkward position.
no moron,

moral of the story is make your self educated so that u dont shame ur community but make them proud by your right action. :D

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by Maqbool » Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:04 am

Ala maqaam wrote:
Maqbool wrote:What is the moral of the story?
You should not wear a Topi in the public places so that it puts the whole community in the awkward position.
no moron,

moral of the story is make your self educated so that u dont shame ur community but make them proud by your right action. :D
First of all please make your self educated so that you can learn how to write in public without using moron like words.

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by Ala maqaam » Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:45 am

Maqbool wrote:
Ala maqaam wrote: no moron,

moral of the story is make your self educated so that u dont shame ur community but make them proud by your right action. :D
First of all please make your self educated so that you can learn how to write in public without using moron like words.
yup that applies to you as well :D

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:19 pm

profastian wrote:ghulam muhammed wrote:
profastian wrote:
Just take a small survery. Ask any common bohris anywhere. Just see how many will be willing to touch modi's feet.


Just take a small survey. Ask any bohras anywhere and see how many approve of the dai's actions of felicitating Modi in a Masjid, draping a shawl round him and giving him a cheque of more then Rs. One crore.
Yeah sure do that. It will certainly jerk you out of your delusion.
People accross the globe are already JERKED and pissed off by various actions so there is nothing more to prove.

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:56 pm

All the world's a stage

Narendra Modi's fast, which ended on Monday, was sheer theatre. To understand it, one has to see it as a text in itself. It succeeds or fails as high drama. As beginnings go, it was auspicious. The script looked tight. The public event begins on a personal note. He visits his mother on his birthday and she gifts him a Ramcharitmanas.

The university convention hall hired for his performance is perfect space for drama. For the first two days, the crowd is impressive. People visit the hall like they visit a picnic spot or tourist centre. The plot moves along predictable lines, our hero seeming to grow in strength. The pracharak as bit actor grows to Napoleonic proportions. He is much more confident with TV

The body language of the man is fascinating. Symbolically this is a body constructed around certainties. It has not smelled doubt, can raise a fist in victory but cannot ask for forgiveness.

A senior TV journalist, an absolute professional known for his sense of balance, makes a mild criticism of Modi. The change is electric. The crowd turns wild, and becomes a mob threatening to smash the cameras. One suddenly realises that this is a fan club, that critics are not welcome.

As an actor he is magnificent. His delivery is powerful, resonant, his pauses effective. It is the script that fails him. As he moves from Act I to Act II and has to express doubt, show something that indicates guilt or echoes responsibility, his text fails him. Even a moment's prayer, a stumble would have redeemed him. When he says he has felt the pain of every victim, the spectator senses the emphasis is on the inflated I and not the victim. The victims' right to suffer personally is lost in the historicity of this monumental ego. This is an actor who cannot play out guilt, whose certainties are so steadfast that compassion, grief, humility seem to be alien traits.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 068877.cms

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:36 pm

"In our criminal judicial system, a crime remains a crime no matter how many skull caps and burqas Mr Modi manages to parade in his support".

The chant is “Michhami dukkadam”: I ask forgiveness for any hurt I may have caused you by thoughts, words or actions, knowingly or unknowingly. When a Jain muni utters the words Michhami dukkadam, you listen to him with respect and strive to grasp the meaning behind the message. But when the devil starts quoting scripture, popular wisdom tells us to separate the messenger from the message and look for the motive instead. Never mind the orchestrated cries of Allah-o-Akbar by some Muslims enticed or cajoled into swearing their love and loyalty to the self-proclaimed “Hinduhriday Samrat” (“Emperor of Hindu Hearts”).

In its November 2002 report, “Crime Against Humanity”, the Concerned Citizens Tribunal headed by three retired judges (two from the Supreme Court) concluded that “the Gujarat carnage is nothing short of genocide” and that “the post-Godhra carnage was an organised crime perpetrated by the state’s chief minister and his government”. (Could this be the reason why the chief minister of Gujarat has been denied a US visa for over nine years?)

In our criminal judicial system, a crime remains a crime no matter how many skull caps and burqas Mr Modi manages to parade in his support. (He was keen on Muslims in skull caps or burqas for photo-op during his fast, but wisely refused to put on a skull cap offered by an innocent maulvi saheb.)

Seeking forgiveness in devious fashion convinces none but the most gullible or willing. Nor will it help those who survived genocidal killings to forget. More importantly, in the Indian Penal Code and the Criminal Procedure Code, there is no provision for mercy and forgiveness. For the convicted, there is only punishment.

http://www.asianage.com/columnists/crim ... veness-316

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:51 pm

And yet another un-Gandhian fast

By ASGHAR ALI ENGINEER,

Narendra Modi undertook three days fast from 17th to 19th September ostensibly for communal harmony and peace in Gujarat and suddenly he tried to become from a militant Hindu as he was in 2002 to a Gandhian promoting Sadbhavna (good feelings between communities).

Hatred is very much part of violence. Narendra Modi’s very political existence depends on hatred of Muslims and Christians. Gandhji’s politics was for higher end and not for power and never excluded the other. Narendra Modi and his Party’s very politics is for power and is based on excluding the other and considers non-Hindus as outsiders and others.

Thus the fast had no pure motive or any moral or ethical end. It was a political act. If he really had pure motive and had he been innocent as he claims and had pain in heart for those killed as he stated when he sat on fast, he would have undertaken at then i.e. in 2002 itself or any time thereafter in last 9 years and not now when public discussion was taking place whether he is prime ministerial material or not and whether there will be contest for prime minister ship between Rahul Gandhi and Narenra Modi through leakage of Wikileak documents.

But the real venom against minorities is very much there inside Mr. Narendra Modi and hence when one Muslim Imam presented Modi with a cap to wear as Modi was accepting pagdis (turbans) from various Hindu communities, he refused and when asked why he refused he said I do not believe in appeasement of minorities. It is nothing but the BJP slogan appeasement of none and justice for all which is used against Muslims. Why then Modi was accepting turbans from different Hindu communities? Did it not amount to appeasement of those communities?

Gandhiji had very well understood that without carrying all communities together India cannot become a great nation and to win over Muslims of India during freedom struggle he readily accepted Indian Muslims request to launch Khilafat movement and here we have Narendra Modi who could not even accept a cap from a Muslim and he saw ‘appeasement of Muslims’ even in accepting a cap. Can there be any comparison?

http://twocircles.net/2011sep24/and_yet ... _fast.html

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by SBM » Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:19 am

At the fast, dozens of Bohra Muslims — the men in white-and-golden caps and their women in ridas — filled the central row. They spoke of how they had come from Jamnagar, Surendranagar and Rajkot, taking turns to attend the three-day fast. Muslims from Juhapura and Porbandar, led by former BJP MP Baburam Bokhiria, who has been in and out of jail on charges of illegal mining of limestone, were also present. On the stage, Bohra priests, sadhus, heads of the four Swaminarayan sects, priests of churches and gurdwaras presented a picture of communal harmony.
Others within the community react to experiences like these with little patience. They compare them to power brokers like Bohra Muslim clergy or businessman Talha Sareshwala, who owns a BMW dealership in Ahmedabad and regularly praises Modi government’s largesse to Muslims. They say this inability to negotiate their demands without obliterating their identity as Muslims is what is at the core of their discomfort with the BJP.

http://www.tehelka.com/story_main50.asp ... rstory.asp

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Unread post by Muslim First » Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:19 pm

Shayad woh galtiyon ka ehsaas kar raha hai
Peeta nahi lahu ab, ‘upvaas’ kar raha hai
Nafrat ke jism par hai ‘sadbhavana’ ka chola
Hum jaante hain zalim bakwaas kar rah hai.

(Perhaps he is realising his mistake now
He no longer drinks blood; indeed, he is on a ‘fast’
Draped on the body of hate is the cloak of ‘harmony’
We know that the oppressor is talking nonsense.)

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:54 pm

Clothes Maketh The Man
Narendra Modi’s change of heart was not entirely convincing: to his colleagues, the Sangh or Muslims

Fast In A Snapshot

•12,000 police and SRP personnel were deployed
•50 CCTV cameras and 35 hand-held cameras constantly recorded the event
•Show managed by the information department of the Gujarat government
•600 state transport buses had been pressed into service to ferry people from across the state
•60 municipal schools and 50 colleges in Ahmedabad directed to send their students
•A lounge set up behind the stage had plasma TV, sofas etc. Also a makeshift studio.

“The propaganda was powerful, but not successful,” says political commentator Achyut Yagnik. “It was a political gimmick. The presence of Muslims at the convention centre had little impact on the politics of the state. After all, the Muslims who attended the programme were primarily Khojas, Memons and Bohras—all mercantile Muslim communities who have tended to be Modi supporters. But the detention of the riot victims in Naroda Patiya on the second day of the fast dented the secular image that Modi was trying to build. It brought back the focus on the riot victims of 2002.”

This prompted activist Mallika Sarabhai to remark that “it’s not sadbhavana but ‘sad’ bhavana on Modi’s part”.

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?278436

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:59 pm

“There Are Concerns In Washington About Modi’s Role In 2002 Riots”

The coordinator of CRS report that named Narendra Modi as a potential prime ministerial candidate in 2014 on reactions in India

The US Commission on International Religious Freedom’s 2011 report notes that the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998 includes provisions to bar US entry for individuals complicit in “severe violations of religious freedom” and that this provision has been invoked only one time—to deny entry to Modi for what they describe as his “complicity” in the riots. So there are credible reasons to believe the matter’s not settled.

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?278437

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by Muslim First » Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:52 am

Many Christians in Syria back dictator Bashar al-Assad
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44696709/ns ... ork_times/

Syrian christians are doing it for se;f preservation.
So do--- Bohras.
They do not care to stand up for their fellow Muslim brothers.

And they talk about principls of Imam Hussain-----Go figure

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Unread post by Adam » Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:41 am

1. Not knowing TRUE Ismaili / Fatimis belief.
2. Distortion of facts.
3. Making a mountain of a mole

The above is a definition of a "Proggy".

First of all, the person bending down at the feet of Mohdi may be disagreed by many, but like said before, ones action cannot be generalized.
In MY opinion, if he was doing it out of ibadat (i'm inclined to believe he wasn't), then he would be wrong.
If he did it out of respect to Mohdi, or greeting him with his cultural norms, it maybe justified. But then again, who are we to judge? For example, if I meet a Japanese client, if it is a norm to greet him by folding my hands and bowing down to him (in accordance to Japanese culture), I don't see any harm in doing that.
I can just imagine some Bohra meeting some random Japanese person, and the Proggies start posting pictures of him claiming he was doing ruku!

Coming back to Modi :

I don't understand constant your problem with the meetings of Dignitaries.
Meetings with officials and prominent personalities is for the long term betterment of the community, for which Syedna TUS strives for. These people play a key in the country and it is advisable/required to keep good relations with them, failing to which may cause harm or no progress.
Rasulullah states :
اذاتاكم كريم قوم فاكرموه (when a distinguished person from your community visits you, give him respect) - This person need not be of the same belief! Such is the beauty of the teachings of Rasulullah SAW.

This is the same philosophy. (any fool would agree)
It does not necessarily mean that Syedna TUS or they must share the same religious beliefs.

Your cry about the "contributions" Syedna TUS makes to these people. No one denies this fact. This is how PR and networking works. If there were any other ways to gain their support, it would be done, (and is being).

If you think giving contributions to them is unlawful, then please revise your Fatimi/Ismaili history :

There is a concept in Islam called التأليف, practiced by Rasulullah SAW himself for the betterment of an Islamic Society. When gpeople were answering the call of Islam in the early days, most genuinely believed in the religion. However, there were some respected (in their qabilas) leaders, whom may have not truly believed in the cause in the beginning, but just joined the flow (or out of fear).
Rasulullah SAW gave material gifts to these people, so that they would be content and have no reason to cause any harm in the society.
They were referred as Moallefat ul Quloob مؤلفة القبوب , and continued to be a part of the Islamic society "physically".
Over the years, they would have experienced the truth in the religion and the great characteristics of Rasulullah SAW, and many truly began to believe in the religion, some remained as they were.
(Note to Proggies : No where am I saying Modi is a Moallefat ul Quloob. Don't distort facts. I am just stating one way the leader of this religion practiced such a norm, for the betterment of his community.)

Another example :
Imam Mehdi AS during his satr was known for the vast amount of hadiya he used to give to the important and powerful rulers of the areas he used to visit, to keep himself and his dawat away for any danger, thus he was called mohdi ie the "giver of hadiyas (gifts).

This is Fatimi way of life.
And Syedna TUS is doing the exact same thing.

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by profastian » Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:06 am

Adam wrote:1. Not knowing TRUE Ismaili / Fatimis belief.
2. Distortion of facts.
3. Making a mountain of a mole

The above is a definition of a "Proggy".

First of all, the person bending down at the feet of Mohdi may be disagreed by many, but like said before, ones action cannot be generalized.
In MY opinion, if he was doing it out of ibadat (i'm inclined to believe he wasn't), then he would be wrong.
If he did it out of respect to Mohdi, or greeting him with his cultural norms, it maybe justified. But then again, who are we to judge? For example, if I meet a Japanese client, if it is a norm to greet him by folding my hands and bowing down to him (in accordance to Japanese culture), I don't see any harm in doing that.
I can just imagine some Bohra meeting some random Japanese person, and the Proggies start posting pictures of him claiming he was doing ruku!

Coming back to Modi :

I don't understand constant your problem with the meetings of Dignitaries.
Meetings with officials and prominent personalities is for the long term betterment of the community, for which Syedna TUS strives for. These people play a key in the country and it is advisable/required to keep good relations with them, failing to which may cause harm or no progress.
Rasulullah states :
اذاتاكم كريم قوم فاكرموه (when a distinguished person from your community visits you, give him respect) - This person need not be of the same belief! Such is the beauty of the teachings of Rasulullah SAW.

This is the same philosophy. (any fool would agree)
It does not necessarily mean that Syedna TUS or they must share the same religious beliefs.

Your cry about the "contributions" Syedna TUS makes to these people. No one denies this fact. This is how PR and networking works. If there were any other ways to gain their support, it would be done, (and is being).

If you think giving contributions to them is unlawful, then please revise your Fatimi/Ismaili history :

There is a concept in Islam called التأليف, practiced by Rasulullah SAW himself for the betterment of an Islamic Society. When gpeople were answering the call of Islam in the early days, most genuinely believed in the religion. However, there were some respected (in their qabilas) leaders, whom may have not truly believed in the cause in the beginning, but just joined the flow (or out of fear).
Rasulullah SAW gave material gifts to these people, so that they would be content and have no reason to cause any harm in the society.
They were referred as Moallefat ul Quloob مؤلفة القبوب , and continued to be a part of the Islamic society "physically".
Over the years, they would have experienced the truth in the religion and the great characteristics of Rasulullah SAW, and many truly began to believe in the religion, some remained as they were.
(Note to Proggies : No where am I saying Modi is a Moallefat ul Quloob. Don't distort facts. I am just stating one way the leader of this religion practiced such a norm, for the betterment of his community.)

Another example :
Imam Mehdi AS during his satr was known for the vast amount of hadiya he used to give to the important and powerful rulers of the areas he used to visit, to keep himself and his dawat away for any danger, thus he was called mohdi ie the "giver of hadiyas (gifts).

This is Fatimi way of life.
And Syedna TUS is doing the exact same thing.
Is there a Like button here somewhere :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by Zeal » Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:07 am

These people play a key in the country and it is advisable/required to keep good relations with them
Adam,
He is being tried in court for mastering a planned riot which killed thousands of muslims, hundreds raped and burnt alive, some of them were bohras too.
Did rasulullah ever give gifts to his enemies who killed people of his own community? go and figure out...

You would not even touch your japanese client's hands , let alone be his feet , if he has killed your fellow colleagues ....

Dont be blind in your love for bohraism, think!

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:22 am

First of all, the person bending down at the feet of Mohdi may be dis
Adam
Did you read the link to Tehlka and other news articles which clearly said Bohra Clergy and large number of Bohra community were in the forefront and this kind of Bohra crowd does not show up without RAZA

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by Adam » Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:59 am

1. I was merely commenting on your constant cry against meeting dignitaries and people of power.
So, in the future, if you agree with what I said, stop making issues about it.

He is our leader, he cares for the long term betterment of the community.


2. The whole Sajdo issue mentioned earlier, is just outright stupid, i feel.

When it comes to Modi
First of all, to my knowledge, when the riots happened, there was some sort of gathering in Gujarat (not sure where) where Syedna TUS sent a message or spoke to him personally that he strictly condemned his actions.
(This story is true, but i'm not sure of the details, please forgive me)

Whether Modi changed his mind set (he seems to have), ties have improved - whether for the betterment of the community, Syedna TUS will act accordingly. You must understand politics and PR.
There would be no long term benefit it going against this man and his power. He is a person of power, and he will be used for the betterment of the community.
When he goes out of power, I really don't think there will be any connections with him.

If you see the history of Amir al Mumineen AS, you will see many instances where for taqiyyat he maintained "relations" with AbuBakr, Umar and Uthmaan. There are many instances where normal conversations ad question answer sessions took place.
Here is Moulana Ali AS maintaining "relations" with these devils, whom went against Rasulullah SAW, murdered Moulatea Fatema AS, and destroyed Islam.
(Please don't compare the above with Modi) - I am just trying to show how policies are created to protect the Long term cause.

For example, Saddam Husain massacred many Shias. Syedna very openly condemned his actions in a waaz, saying that those who stop people from doing Ziyarat of Imam Husain AS, will face a downfall (which happened).
But at the same time, since Bohra s travel frequently to Iraq, and due to the construction of the Kufa Masjid, political ties had to be healthy, FOR OUR CAUSE.
So much that, we know that Syedna TUS & the community financed the construction of the Kufa Masjid. But, if you went to Kufa and see the tablet outside the Kufa Masjid, it says in huge words that "Saddam Husein restored this Masjid", and in the fine print it mentions Syedna s Name breifly. (I'm not sure if it's there right now though).
This, is not an issue. What was important was that the Masjid be built.

It all comes to long term benefit.
This is the policy.

Syedna TUS loves and cares for his people.

@Zeal
I'm not being blinded by Bohraism, Syedna TUS is my leader and cares for me.
He isn't yours, so go find your own, and stop whining.

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Unread post by Zeal » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:27 am

@Zeal

I'm not being blinded by Bohraism, Syedna TUS is my leader and cares for me.

He isn't yours, so go find your own, and stop whining.
Adam,
you are indeed blinded ...the first 3 lines you conveniently ignored,

do I really need a leader? I still follow the guidelines laid by prophet ..
I think you have forgotten it, you're confused because you've accumulated so many leaders for yourself , go figure out which one you should follow!

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by Maqbool » Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:47 am

Adam wrote:Rasulullah states :
اذاتاكم كريم قوم فاكرموه (when a distinguished person from your community visits you, give him respect) - This person need not be of the same belief! Such is the beauty of the teachings of Rasulullah SAW.

This is the same philosophy. (any fool would agree)
Is Sayedna's reaction is same as quoted above in case of a prog. or Jamia ustad who thinks in a different way then sayedna teaches.

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by Adam » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:14 am

Maqbool wrote:
Adam wrote:Rasulullah states :
اذاتاكم كريم قوم فاكرموه (when a distinguished person from your community visits you, give him respect) - This person need not be of the same belief! Such is the beauty of the teachings of Rasulullah SAW.

This is the same philosophy. (any fool would agree)
Is Sayedna's reaction is same as quoted above in case of a prog. or Jamia ustad who thinks in a different way then sayedna teaches.
Pure Ignorance!

A Prog & (Ahmed Ali) are against the BELIEF of Syedna TUS and Dawoodi Bohra Faith.
They are Munafiqs and Ismaili / Fatimi belief teaches us to NEVER have any relations or respect with them.

In the words of Imam Ali Zayn al Abedeen :
حاشا من عودي فيك و لك، فانه العدو الذي لا نواليه
(He is our enemy, and we will never obey him)
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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by Zeal » Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:39 am

A pact with the devil you say??? Maybe... Yeah, if it means saving hundreds, why not
Nalwalla,
Does it not convey that you are ignoring his evil deeds because either you are feared of him or you agree to it?

Examples of what our prophet Muhammed (SAW) and Ali (AS) did in similar circumstances would be worth while to ponder, if you have any to give?

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by Humsafar » Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:17 am

Dear abdes, I can understand that you're driven, for various reasons, to defend the indefensible but this is really getting ridiculous. If you have nothing sensible to say it is better to keep quiet, don't make a fool of yourselves.

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:08 pm

Cartoonist Jailed For Modi Caricature

A cartoonist of a leading city-based eveninger was arrested on the charges of "fanning communal sentiments" through a cartoon perceived to be based on a controversy surrounding Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi's fast and his move to allegedly refuse wearing a skull cap, police said today.

http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?736615

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by SBM » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:42 pm

no, he is evil incarnate, and he needs to be jailed, but while he is in power, one needs to forge alliances with him, if for nothing else, then for the safety of the community.
Br. Mustafa
I wonder if Imam Hussain should have done that and if he had then we would not have Dawat or Dai, would we? Imam Hussain scarified his entire family and you are asking his Dai to forge alliances for the safety of community? Brother please do not justify otherwise your entire belief in Shia faith is down the drain and all your Maatam and Bukah is for nothing.

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by anajmi » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:16 pm

A good point oma.

There is a famous quote from the movie Shrek by Lord Farquad when he is selecting soldiers to go fight for him. He says, and I paraphrase - I know some of you might not come back, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.

The Dai isn't capable of making any sacrifices. The only thing he can sacrifice is the abde's money!!

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by Conscíous » Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:46 am

It's because, burhanuddin saheb tus has only selfish reasons for everything he does.. He doesn't want to unity us, but divide us just like in the mosque & cemetery..

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by bohri » Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:52 am

M/nalwalla wrote
To take a point from History, Emperor Akbar married a Hindu woman....
First of all nice analogy between an emperor and a spiritual leader - but you are an Abde - you would not see the irony.

Secondly is the Sultan about to marry a hindu woman? That may explain what all this Modi worship is about. It is all making sense now, the thalis being distributed in advance celebration!

Thanks for that happy piece of revelation Mr. Nalwala!
Abdes - 'badai ho!'!

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Re: And the Bohris fall at the feet of Narendra Modi too

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:15 am

Bohri...the zadas and the diais since 51st believe they are more superior than Akbar badshah

don't you see how they behave when on the takhat, some devotees whisking silver handle/ horse tail, carrying on palkhi, the salutations, the bowing down