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Re: The Menace Of RSS And Hindutva.

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:20 am

road rage? that was sardesais tweet.
first of all they were creating nuisance late night on road.
when they were told not to, they went away after some quarelling and came back with many and lynched the man from his home in front of his child and family members--now this u called road rage--fine.
and about equal no. of hindus and muslims--are u sure or relying on police reports that also by monika bhardwaj who is not investigating officer and not on duty also.
by the way what was police report on dadri.
be clear i am not condoning dadri in any way--absolutely it was heinous crime
just the way of reporting selectively

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Re: The Menace Of RSS And Hindutva.

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:09 am

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were you there as Eye witness or you believe whatever was reported in your Mouthpiece SAAMANA

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Re: The Menace Of RSS And Hindutva.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:11 pm

Manufacturing Emotive Issues

Bharat Mata Ki Jai and hurling 'Anti Nationalism' for Dissent


The national scene is being dominated by the current ‘you must chant Bharat Mata ki jai’ to prove your nationalism. This was preceded by the ‘Anti national' abuse being hurled on all those showing dissent with the present regime. These two major issues have been propped up in the recent times and these are trying to undermine the core issue of the state’s onslaught on University autonomy, from the issues where the state is trying to displace the democratic ethos and from failure to keep the pre-election promises. This is an attempt to prop up a new emotive issue to add to the array of emotive issues already manufactured by the communal forces.

This was thrown up by RSS patriarch Mohan Bhagwat when he said early March 2016 that "Now the time has come when we have to tell the new generation to chant '*Bharat Mata Ki Jai'* (Hail Mother India).

Armed with this cue Asadduddin Owaisi the MP from Hyderabad and leader of the MIM, suo motto came forward with provocative denial to chant this slogan. He did say he has no problems with shouting Jai Hind. This was a statement parallel and opposite to the spirit of Bhagwat's statement.

Some Muslim sects have been feeling that Vande Mataram and by extension Bharat Mata ki Jai means bowing to Goddess mother, something which is opposed to their understanding of Islam. Accordingly some of them refuse the use of both these slogans. In a way Bharat Mata ki Jai is an extension of the ‘Vande Matram Kahna Hoga’ assertion from the aggressive sections, expressing the politics of right wing.

One recalls in the aftermath of 92-93 post carnage in Mumbai those participating peace marches were intimidated to shout Vande Matram by Shiv Sena elements. Shiv Sena assertion was 'Is Desh mein Rahna hai to Vande Matram Kahna Hoga' (If you want to stay in this country, you will have to shout Vande Mataram).

Song Vande Matram has a complex history. It was written by Bankim Chandra Chatterjee and, later was made a part of his novel Anand Math. This novel has strong anti Muslim rhetoric. This song was popular with a section of society, but Muslim League strongly objected to the song, as the song compares India with Goddess Durga. Islam being monotheistic religion does not recognize any other God-Goddess than Allah. Many others belonging to monotheistic religions also had problem with this song. In 1937, the 'Song committee' of the Indian National Congress with Nehru and Maulana Abul Kalam amongst others as members selected Jana Gana Mana as the national anthem and picked up first two stanzas of Vande Matram as national song, leaving out other stanzas, which had imagery of Hindu goddess.

Similarly Bharat Mata ki Jai was one amongst many slogans to exhort the people during freedom movement. Other slogans were Jai Hind, Inquilab Jindabad and Allaho Akbar. The response of communities have not been uniform to these slogans.
While some Muslim groups will not chant Vande Mataram, the others will freely chant the same and one of the most beautiful tune on this has been composed by none other than A. R. Rahman, Ma Tujhe Salam.


Same applies to Bharat Mata Ki Jai. Javed Akhtar chanted it time and over again in Rajya Sabha, while condemning the attitude of Owaisi. Akhtar was quiet on whether some one should be forced to chant such slogans in the first place. The jugal bandi (duet) of RSS-BJP on the one side and MIM, Owaisi on the other is clear. Owaisi had no business to respond to Bhagwat’s comments, as they don’t hold any water in the eyes of the law of the land. He merely was playing the game of inciting the mob to polarize the communities. This helps the agenda of RSS-MIM. Both are a perfect foil to each other.

This game of advising-shouting of slogans has been preceded by the scene where anti National label has been hurled on JNU students, who had organized meeting to oppose death penalty to Afzal Guru. There are many dimensions of this issue and there are many elements in the student community who do stand for autonomy of Kashmir as was promised in article 370, the treaty of accession.

The meeting at JNU had multiple slogan and the most horrendous slogans were shouted by the masked students. The CD which showed the students like Kanhaiya Kumar shouting Azadi slogans was a doctored one as the truth has come out by now. Here there are twin issues. One, there is no investigation as to who doctored the video and two why the masked youth have not been apprehended? That apart; hurling anti National slogans on JNU students and labeling JNU as a den of anti national activities has been engineered by the state and by BJP combine.

Interestingly when 'anti national' rhetoric is being used so liberally for those dissenting with the Government, the hypocrisy of the situation is very revealing. On one hand 'pro Kashmir autonomy' and those opposing death penalty are being dubbed anti national by BJP associates while at the same time BJP had a coalition government with PDP, Mahbooba Mufti’s party in Kashmir. PDP regards Afzal Guru as a hero and martyr. While The intensity of attack is directed at JNU, similar slogans have been part of daily life of sections of Kashmiri people from many decades. Lo and behold BJP also has an electoral alliance with Akali Dal who uphold Anand Pur Sahib resolution calling for autonomous Sikh state of Khalisthan.

Let's recall in North East the integration process to 'Indian Nation' has seen many bumps and separatism has been part of the process running along with integration process on the other.

The whole sedition laws needs to be examined and the anti national label being dished out is more to promote emotive issues. BJP’s hypocrisy on this issue stands exposed as on one side it raises temperature in Delhi and on the other it allies with political parties who challenge many of the things enshrined in our Constitution.

The matters are clear. RSS-BJP’s central politics is to polarize the communities by raising emotive issues. Right since its inception RSS on one side kept itself aloof from the process of ‘Nation formation’ (India is a nation in the making). That was the time many social groups and formations were associating with freedom movement and in turn becoming part of Nation building. RSS talked exclusively of Hindu Society and propped up emotive issues of temple destruction, bravery of Hindu kings, greatness of Hindu system (which has caste and gender hierarchy built into it). It did not recognize tricolor as Indian flag and in due course propped up issues related to cow slaughter, beef eating, Indianization of Muslims, Ram Temple, Ghar Wapasi and love jihad. Now two more issues have been added to the list, anti nationalism, and Bharat mata ki Jai.

Its only by keeping up emotive issues alive that society can be polarized on one hand and the issues related to deeper societal concerns can be kept at bay. Such emotive issues are used to distract the social forces from the core issues of the downtrodden sections of the society.

In contemporary times the types of concern raised by Rohith Vemula and Kanhaiya Kumar have drawn the focus to the real issues of dalits, farmers suicide, betrayal of promises by Modi Sarkar to name a few.

With Bharat Mata Ki Jai the emotive pitch is on the peak along with attempts to erase Rohith Vemula from public memory.

https://www.saddahaq.com/manufacturing-emotive-issues

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Re: The Menace Of RSS And Hindutva.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:28 pm

Three Muslim youth thrashed for not saying 'Jai Mata Ki'

New Delhi, Mar. 30 (ANI): Three Muslim youth- Dilkash, Mohammad Ajmal and Naeem-- were allegedly beaten up by unidentified men at a park in outer Delhi's Begampur area, as they refused to chant pro-religious and national slogans such as 'Jai Mata Ki' and 'Bharat Mata Ki Jai'.

"We had gone to a nearby park. Some men came and slapped one of my friends. They asked us to say 'Jai Mata Ki' and 'Bharat Mata Ki' and threatened to kill us. I don't know them, but I can recognise them. We called up Hafiz and then the police came and we were being taken to the Sanjay Gandhi Hospital," said Dilkash, one of the victims.

Another victim Mohammad Ajmal said they were not given a chance to say anything, adding that their skull caps were thrown and crushed with feet.

"They asked us to say 'Jai Mata Ki'. Suddenly one of them came and thrashed me with a bamboo stick. They all started beating us. We then called up our teacher. He came and called up the police," he added.

The victims called up their teacher Hafiz, who then called up the police.

They were rushed to the Sanjay Gandhi Hospital for immediate treatment.

A case has been registered and further probe is on. (ANI)

https://in.news.yahoo.com/three-muslim- ... 38201.html


Delhi: 18-year-old Madrasa student’s arm broken for not saying ‘Jai Mata Ki’

An 18-year-old madrasa student’s arm was broken, and two of his classmates injured on March 26, after a group of young men allegedly assaulted them for not saying ‘Jai Mata Ki’ in outer Delhi’s Begumpur area.

According to Dilkash, he and his friends, Ajmal and Naeem, were walking through a park in the area when they were assaulted.

“My friends and I had gone to Bans Wala park, some 300 metres from the madrasa, when we were attacked by a group of young men. They spotted us because we were wearing caps and asked us to say Jai Mata Ki,” he told The Indian Express.

Sonu, a local resident, said, “Police did not act even after multiple calls were made by us. Finally, the youth were taken in a PCR vehicle to Sanjay Gandhi Memorial hospital.”

https://in.news.yahoo.com/delhi-18-old- ... 00204.html

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Re: The Menace Of RSS And Hindutva.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:22 pm

If no law, would have cut the heads of those who don’t say Bharat Mata Ki Jai: Ramdev

Referring to Muslims who refuse to chant ‘Bharat Mata ki Jai’, yoga guru Ramdev on Sunday said if the country didn’t have laws, “hum toh lakhon ki gardan kaat sakte hain (we would have decapitated lakhs)”. He also said “if any religion says that do not honour the motherland, such a religion is also not in the interest of this country”.

Speaking at a Sadbhavna rally organised by the RSS in Rohtak — attended among others by Himachal Pradesh Governor Acharya Devvrat — Ramdev said: “Koi aadmi topi pehan kar ke khada ho jaata hai, bolta Bharat Mata ki Jai nahi bolunga, chahe meri gardan kaat do. Arey is desh mein kanoon hai, nahi toh teri ek ki kya, hum toh lakhon ki gardan kaat sakte hain. Lekin hum is desh ke kanoon ka samman karte hain. Koi aise khada ho ke bol de, isliye in hurdangiyon ke honsle buland ho jaate hain. Hum is desh ke kanoon aur samvidhan ka samman karte hain, nahi toh koi Bharat Mata ka apmaan kare, ek nahi, hum hazaron lakhon ke sheesh kalam karne ka samarth rakhte hain”.

(Some person wears a cap and stands up. He says I will not say Bharat Mata ki Jai even if you decapitate me. This country has a law, otherwise let alone one, we can behead lakhs. But we respect this country’s law. If somebody stands up and speaks like this, that gives strength to hooligans. We respect this country’s law and Constitution, otherwise if anybody disrespects Bharat Mata, we have the capability of beheading not one but thousands and lakhs).

Ramdev continued: “Mujhe ashcharya hota hai, kuch sansthayein bani hui hain, kehti hain Bharat Mata ki Jai bolna hamare dharm ke khilaaf hai. Yeh kaise ho sakta hai. Apni matrabhoomi ko gaurav dena kisi majhab ke khilaf nahi, aur agar koi majhab yeh kehta ho ki apni matrabhoomi ko gaurav mat do, woh majhab bhi desh ke hit mein nahi”.

(I am astonished. There are a few organisations which say chanting Bharat Mata ki Jai is against their religion. How can it be? Giving honour to your motherland is not against any religion, and if any religion says that do not honour the motherland, such a religion is also not in the interest of this country).

“Bharat Mata ki Jai bolna koi kisi dharm ki pooja nahi hai. Bharat Mata ki Jai bolna kisi ki aarti utarna nahi hai. Bharat Mata ki Jai bolna koi dharm pooja nahi hai, yeh toh apne rashtra ke gaurav ka, apne rashtra ke swabhiman ka, apne rashtra ki garima ka prashan hai, aur hum Hindu hon, hum Sikh hon, hum Muslim hon, hum Isai hon, hum sabse pehle Hindustani hain,” Ramdev said.

(Chanting Bharat Mata ki Jai is not worship of any religion. It is a matter of national honour, pride, prestige. We may be Hindu, Sikh, Muslim, Christians, we are Indians first).

The Sadbhavna rally was organised by the RSS to restore peace, harmony and brotherhood in Haryana which was witness to violence in February in the wake of the Jat reservation agitation.

https://in.news.yahoo.com/no-law-cut-he ... 00533.html

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:47 pm

‘Good Sufi’, ‘Bad Muslim’

Saying “Bharat Mata ki jai” is not the same as capitulating to the demand to do so by Hindu nationalists who had nothing to do with India’s Freedom Struggle

So we know now, in case we did not know it already: Bollywood celebrity and outgoing Rajya Sabha MP, Javed Akhtar is a “Good Muslim”, and so are the Sufis who invited Prime Minister Narendra Modi to grace the World Sufi Forum in Delhi. Asaduddin Owaisi of the Majlis Ittehadul Muslimeen (MIM) on the other hand, as all of us always knew, is a “Bad Muslim”.

Actor and Modi-bhakt Anupam Kher says it just like it is: “Bharat Mata ki jai!” is the “only real test” of who is a desh premi and who is not. Self-proclaimed atheist Akhtar and the Sufis have passed the test with flying colours. In his last speech in the Rajya Sabha, Akhtar theatrically recited the magic mantra not once but thrice. At the World Sufi Conference, Modi’s elaborate “Islam means peace” homily was greeted with repeated chants of “Bharat Mata ki Jai”. (Thankfully, no one offered a “Muslim cap” to Modi, a man otherwise known to don every other head gear when it suits him).

Owaisi, on the other hand, has declared in a speech that while he has no issues with “Jai Hind”, he will not put himself through Hindutva’s nationalism-test even if someone held a knife to his throat. Taking a cue from his party chief, on March 16 an MIM MLA, Waris Pathan, refused to say “Bharat Mata ki jai!” in the Maharashtra Assembly. The refusal created a huge furore wherein along with the ruling BJP-Shiv Sena coalition, the Congress and the Nationalist Congress Party (NCP) joined the chorus against Pathan. He was suspended from the Assembly for the entire budget session.

No one however seemed in the least concerned over Shiv Sena MLA Gulabrao Patil hurling the following at Pathan: “Is desh mein rehna hai, kutto, to Vande Mataram bolna hoga” (If you want to stay in this country, dogs, you will have to sing Vande Mataram). Having spoken in the plural, it is anybody’s guess whether Patil was referring to the MIM in particular or Indian Muslims in general. As an afterthought a day later, on the demand raised by the Congress party’s leader of the Opposition in the Assembly, Radhakrishna Vikhe-Patil, the Speaker agreed to delete the Sena MLA’s obnoxious remark from the Assembly’ record.

Everyone must be patriotic, and patriotism will be defined by the bully, those who can shout the loudest, have their way. You will be tested on not just the slogans you raise but on those you do not raise. Patriotism will be forced by the BJP and its parivar, but not just by them. If you are deemed to be not patriotic enough, be very afraid, also, of the Congress. (Indian Express, lead editorial)

The Sufis assembled at the Delhi meet will no doubt maintain, as many other Muslims do, that “Bharat Mata ki jai!” has nothing to do with religion; it’s about love for the nation. They argue moreover that Muslims who oppose the slogan are falling into a trap set by the sangh parivar. The Congress general secretary, Digvijay Singh, has expressed the same opinion. Such reasoning is problematic as it skirts several critical questions.

From the Hyderabad Central University, to Jawaharlal Nehru University, to everywhere else, the sanghis who to their eternal shame had nothing to do with India’s freedom struggle, have now delegated to themselves the sole supreme authority to judge who is a patriot and who is not using a simple 4-word-test.

Why is “Jai Hind”, “Jai Bharat” or “Hindustan Zindabad” not enough? Why is the singing of the national anthem not enough? Which Constitutional principle, which law of the land is violated if some Muslims genuinely believe that saying “Bharat Mata ki Jai” is against the teachings of Islam? Why is it that Muslims who have no difficulty in saying the same words, at a Kejriwal rally for example, have a problem with Hindutva’s diktat? Is the nationalism bogey not simply an insidious ploy to push secular-democratic India towards Hindu Rashtra?

Why can’t the Congress Party, the NCP see what’s amply clear not only to the Left parties (“A single slogan cannot ever become the sole patriotism test of citizens”: CPI-M general secretary, Sitaram Yechuri) but also sections of the media?

Take, for example, the lead editorial in the March 18 edition of The Indian Express under the headline: “Hand of the bully: Congress must take responsibility for its role in the disgraceful suspension from the Maharashtra Assembly of Paris Pathan”: And the copy starts with: “Everyone must be patriotic, and patriotism will be defined by the bully, those who can shout the loudest, have their way. You will be tested on not just the slogans you raise but on those you do not raise. Patriotism will be forced by the BJP and its parivar, but not just by them. If you are deemed to be not patriotic enough, be very afraid, also, of the Congress.”

And the lead editorial in The Asian Age warns: “Were the Maharashtra Assembly mood to gain force… we would be going astray as a people and bringing upon ourselves every curse that wakes in the wake of the wilful distortion of the historical record.”

Through their unsolicited ‘Bharat Mata ki jai’ chant in Parliament and at the Sufi Forum, Javed Akhtar and the Sufis have built their distance not only from “Bad Muslims” but also from millions of Hindus who refuse to endorse the claim of Hindu Nationalists that this, and this slogan alone, is the real test of every Indians’ love for and loyalty to his country.

At an informal gathering of Kanhaiya Kumar and a few JNU students on the campus about a week ago, one of them asked: we students at JNU, Hyderabad University and elsewhere have been fighting Hindutva’s fascist menace; why are Muslim leaders and organisations so silent when they too should be concerned about the same thing?

About Owaisi and his party with a blatantly Muslim-communal agenda, the less said the better. If anything, the MIM’s politics is rich material for a case study on how not to combat Hindutva’s designs. For many Muslims across the country, it is an article of faith that the MIM is in cahoots with the BJP-RSS as both benefit from spreading the poison of communalism. Some even talk of crores changing hands.

But what might Javed Akhtar and the Sufis have to say in response to the query by the JNU student?

If not as a Muslim, what stopped Akhtar from speaking out against the growing witch-hunt, doctored videos by TV channels, takeover of not just educational campuses but even court premises by lynch mobs with state connivance? Not earlier, when academics, writers and artists (many of them atheists, though not communists) returned awards in protest, nor in his speech in the Rajya Sabha?

His speech said nothing more than what could be expected from a detached sage having descended from some ashram in the Himalayas for a brief glance at the state of the nation. Words of wisdom totally bereft of any reference, except obliquely, to the ugly climate being built up in the country with active encouragement from the RSS-directed, Modi-led, BJP-dominated, NDA government at the Centre.

As for the Sufis who took pains to ingratiate themselves with the prime minister, here’s some interesting bit of history. Among the main players in the All India Ulama and Mashaikh Board (AIUMB) who organised the World Sufi Forum are the management and direct beneficiaries of the dargahs of Hazrat Nizamuddin Auliya (Delhi) and Khwaja Moinuddin Chisti (Ajmer). Anyone familiar with the life and times of these saints will tell you that keeping a distance, never cosying up or currying favours, from the powers that be was almost an obsession with the Sufis.

During his lifetime, Hazrat Nizamuddin was witness to the rise and fall of eight different sultans who occupied the throne. It is well-known that the saint strongly disapproved of, actively discouraged, any of these sultans even from paying a royal visit to his abode. Amir Khusro, the most renowned disciple of the saint was also an officer in the court of Jalaluddin Khilji. Khusro came to know that eager to somehow seek the Hazrat Nizamuddin’s blessings, the sultan was planning on visiting the saint in disguise. Khusro leaked the news to Hazrat Nizamuddin who promptly left the city to foil the sultan’s surreptitious plan.

Furious with such “treachery” and “disclosure of state secret”, Khilji demanded an explanation from Khusro. This is what the latter said in his defense: “I had to choose between betraying my peer and betraying you. In betraying my peer I would have lost my imaan (faith); in betraying you I stand to lose only my jaan (life). I would sooner lose my jaan than my imaan”. An impressed Khilji forgave Khusro his great betrayal.


Recounting this incident from history, a devout Sufi practitioner told SabrangIndia: “You could say that in hosting the prime minister, the organisers of the World Sufi Forum have betrayed their Chisti tradition (the silsala to which most of the Sufis in India belonged), if not their imaan.

Among the many Sufi silsilas (orders) there were some who stood aloof from power, even spoke truth to power. Others provided legitimacy to the ruler of the day. While Hazrat Nizamuddin and Khwaja Moinuddin belonged to the former category, the organisers of the Delhi meet who otherwise swear by these very saints have chosen a contrary path.

The growing influence of Saudi Arabia-fuelled rigid and intolerant version of Islam should be a matter of concern for all Indians, Muslims particularly. The AIUMB could have played a very positive role in preserving India’s syncretic tradition, stemming the Wahhabi tide. But from the brand of Sufism on display at the Delhi meet, it is seems that the answer for Indian Muslims lies elsewhere.

Perhaps they should give some thought to what Omid Safi, an American professor of Islamic studies wrote some years ago in the American context, but which is equally relevant in our present context: “If our public discourse about religion and politics is to evolve to a more subtle, and accurate, space, it must get to the point where religious voices that speak from the depths and heights of all spiritual traditions can do more than simply acquiesce in the face of the Empire. They can, and should, speak for the weak, and give voice to the voiceless”.

Or, closer home, they could pay heed to two liberation theologists from Pakistan, Junaid S Ahmed and Sania Sufi: “Muslims must dig through the Islamic canon for a discourse far more liberating than merely the negation of beheadings or senseless violence or intolerance”.

https://sabrangindia.in/article/%E2%80% ... m%E2%80%99

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Re: The Menace Of RSS And Hindutva.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:04 pm

RSS AND ITS HALF CHADDI !! :lol: :lol:

The long and the shorts of it

It is impossible, in the electronic age, to have missed that photograph of Union minister Nitin Gadkari, clad in his Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) outfit, sitting legs crossed in a chair. The internet immediately paired this retina-destroying image with one of Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct, neatly capturing everything that is wrong with his clothes, and everything that is right with the internet.

There are many, many reasons to make fun of the RSS. The poor lads have all kinds of complexes related to power, domination and all the sex they’re not having. They inspire repeated references to robots and nazis. But the worst — the very worst — is the uniform.

Just think about it compassionately for a second. To be obsessed with cows and cow pee-pee; to fetishise flagpoles (wink, wink) even as you object to the flag; to be frantic about India even as you oppress Indians; to see a sinister conspiracy behind every pimply grad student; to jump up and down because someone didn’t say “Bharat mata ki jai”; to admire the Manusmriti; to rely on the lizard bits of your brain; to do all of this, and to do it while wearing flared shorts cinched at the waist, even though you are a full-grown, unfit, hairy dude — well, it’s all just so awful that you have to admire the courage it takes to walk around the world looking like that.

But it seems that its own lack of coolness has finally gotten to the RSS, or maybe they’re tired of pretending to be celibate out of choice. After a brief 10-year think about it, the organisation has decided to replace the shorts with trousers. This is a body blow to the convenient terms “knickerwallah” and “chaddiwallah”, and we can never unsee Nitin Gadkari, but the move might help save millions of innocent retinas in the future. That’s what I call working for the good of society — who knew they would do it by dropping their knickers? Ladies and gentlemen, a big hand for the RSS.

Now there’s a sentence I never thought I’d say.

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Re: The Menace Of RSS And Hindutva.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:39 pm

'Who is Bharat Mata?': This 3-minute video tells you how the nation turned into a goddess

She was controversial from the very beginning.

The controversy over saying Bharat Mata Ki Jai, just like the controversy over love jihad or beef, will not die down. It might disappear from the headlines – not just yet, considering chief ministers are still telling people who refuse to say the slogan to leave India – but it will continue to simmer in the background. Like the other attempts at defining a more Hindu nation, Bharat Mata ki Jai disguises itself as an attempt to unite, while turning the meaning of the country into something not all would be comfortable with.

But where did Bharat Mata ki Jai come from? You can read all about it here, starting with its Bengali origins and then growing to inspire Bande Mataram and the revolutionary movement, but in a very specific way. Or you could just watch the video above, which quickly recaps how the nation turned into a goddess who could still exclude people from her fold, even today.

"That Aurobindo considered Bharat Mata worthy of navavidha bhakti or nine-fold worship is a good indicator as to how the image of India as a mother goddess had already taken root in 1905. That in 2016, a Muslim MLA was punished for not chanting a slogan for “Bharat Mata” shows just how far popular Hindu nationalism has become."

http://video.scroll.in/806096/who-is-bh ... -a-goddess

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Re: The Menace Of RSS And Hindutva.

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:05 am

this whole bullshit started by owaisi
rss has said that in reference to jnu. and in regard to communist ideology.
everything was going smooth till 5 days.
but after 5 days this owaisi fellow made that into hindu-muslim angle, by his stupid and rubbish utterance.
acutally muslim liberals and other were heaving signs of releif that for almost two months this jnu thing had captured the nations imagination and muslims were relegated to the backburner for sometime. even muslim clergy did not support umar khalid due to his communist ideology and selfproclaimed atheist. owaisi is a learned man and lawyer but the truth is this time he was made puppet by congress.
only congress has to gain in this episode as his base is already loyal to him and now elections are due in assam , westbengal, kerala which have sizable muslim population. the congressi leaders were dismayed as how their core base were also feeling alienated in jnu case seeing their leaders siding with alleged anti national elements and communist.

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Re: The Menace Of RSS And Hindutva.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:56 pm

Akbar Owaisi was jailed for hate speech. Why not apply same standard to Baba Ramdev?

In 2013, Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen legislator Akbaruddin Owaisi was arrested for hate speech. Were the same standards applied to Baba Ramdev, the police would be pursuing him with equal vigour. But given the climate of majoritarianism today, that seems an unlikely prospect.

http://scroll.in/article/806184/the-dai ... aba-ramdev

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:04 pm

qutub_mamajiwala wrote:this whole bullshit started by owaisi
rss has said that in reference to jnu. and in regard to communist ideology.
everything was going smooth till 5 days.
but after 5 days this owaisi fellow made that into hindu-muslim angle, by his stupid and rubbish utterance.
acutally muslim liberals and other were heaving signs of releif that for almost two months this jnu thing had captured the nations imagination and muslims were relegated to the backburner for sometime. even muslim clergy did not support umar khalid due to his communist ideology and selfproclaimed atheist. owaisi is a learned man and lawyer but the truth is this time he was made puppet by congress.
only congress has to gain in this episode as his base is already loyal to him and now elections are due in assam , westbengal, kerala which have sizable muslim population. the congressi leaders were dismayed as how their core base were also feeling alienated in jnu case seeing their leaders siding with alleged anti national elements and communist.
Bro qutub,

The issue here is not about "nationalism" or the appropriateness of the slogan "Bharat mata ki jai" (BMKJ). It is about
a) The attempt to forcibly impose the slogan on all Indians,
b) The attempt to equate its chanting with "nationalism".

The RSS is behind both these attempts as it was Mohan Bhagwat who started the controversy by saying that Indian youngsters must be "taught" to chant nationalistic slogans such as BMKJ.

Therefore, the questions that needs to be answered are:

1) Can any Indian be FORCED to chant any particular slogan in praise of the country? If so, by what authority?

2) How is "nationalism" established by chanting BMKJ? Can a man who doesn't chant BMKJ (like Tanzil Ahmed of the NIA) but gets brutally murdered defending his country be called "anti-national"?

3) What is nationalism? Is India a "nation" of any particular community, or is it a multi-religious, multi-cultural, multi-ethnic "country"?

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Thu Apr 07, 2016 1:56 am

how do u know tanzil ahmad didnt chant the slogan?
yes it is multi-cultural , multi religious nation and only it is only because of majority are tolerant.
wherever minority are more in numbers, it doesnt remain multi cultural , multi religious anymore and systematic efforts are made to follow one monoethic principles . like in kerala, malda, kashmir etc.
yes no body should be forced to chant and he himself retracted that statement which u convinently ignored.
anyway this unnecessary controversy was evoked with tacit support of congress knowing very well how foolish people will behave.
congress is the only party which benefits with hindu-muslim divide. and has been ruling only because of this since last 60 yrs.
whenver muslim base shifted from congress, it has lost , barring just one or two here and there.
riding on this piggybank of chanting slogans, many politicans are making hay according to their convinience living religion aside

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Thu Apr 07, 2016 2:32 am

beore rss dictat, muslims had no problems in chanting, and it was not also a big issue, and many chanted as according to the wishes and circumstances. it was made a big issue and sadly religious issue by owasi. it was made in jnu context.
they have this peculiar habit to everything personally. if they would have kept quiet, it would have died its natural death

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:38 pm

qutub_mamajiwala wrote:yes no body should be forced to chant and he himself retracted that statement which u convinently ignored.
Do you know after how many days the half chaddi Mohan Bhagwat retracted his statement and Why ?? I know you will once again come up in defense of your masters in Nagpur but it is sheer common sense for anyone with a reasonable IQ to figure out why he retracted after having raised the controversy. Its like first putting the house on fire and then calling for the fire brigade to come out clean !
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:congress is the only party which benefits with hindu-muslim divide.
Brother, in which world are you living in ?? Do I have to remind you as to how your Hindutva party came to power, how they polarised Gujarat by burning Sabarmati Express and massacring innocent Muslims (Hindus actually voted more vigorously for Modi for having "taught a lesson to Muslims"), how they polarised the country itself with the Rath Yatras and burned the country.
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:yes it is multi-cultural , multi religious nation and only it is only because of majority are tolerant.
How "Tolerant" are your saffrom brigade now ? They are in majority !! Do I have to once again post articles on the intolerance debate ?
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:they have this peculiar habit to everything personally. if they would have kept quiet, it would have died its natural death
So you want that Muslims should behave like cowards and follow all the fatwas from your Hindutva organisations with heads bend down ? They should go on tolerating all the atrocities committed on them in the name of Hindu Rashtra !

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:31 pm

RSS was founded on fascism in Europe 90 years ago. The founders were great admirers of Mussolini and Hitler. Fascism requires an object of hate. To Hitler it was the Jews. To the RSS it is Muslims. They fuel this hate before an election by raising issues that Muslims feel uneasy about. The demand is presented as nationalist. The minute Muslims show their uneasiness to comply, they are immediately branded anti national, with a sickening demand to go to Pakistan or to be beheaded. Everything on the RSS is modeled on Mussolini's fascists. This includes the dress, the straight arm salute, the worship of the fatherland or motherland, and most important hatred of a minority. Golwalkar, and before him Moonje and Savarkar were known admirers of fascism. Don't tell me you are not aware of RSS birth history.

While hundreds of thousands chose to fight the mighty and ruthless British Empire tooth and nail, sacrificing their wealth and properties, with millionaires becoming paupers overnight, sacrificing their lucrative jobs, family life, children, comforts, "which was real nationalism", to get themselves and their countrymen out of the clutches of the Whites, and were tracked, nailed, tortured, jailed or hanged, the RSS leaders were sitting cool in the lap of Nazis, Adolf Hitler and others meeting and talking to them.

Because they did not like Mahatma Gandhi securing freedom for us from British and living with us for so more years, they killed him instantly. What kind of nationalism we are talking about today? The Independence was won by the Congressmen and now after playing strategic tactics in a sustained manner for decades, those who are inimical to Congress and Congressmen have grabbed the kursi (chair) and enjoying power. Fascism has worked in 20th century and Hitler succeeded but for a short while. This will and shall not be repeated in 21st century also. Unity and integrity is the soul, cream and oxygen for democracy.

Those who were hiding behind the walls to please the British rulers and opposing the freedom fighters are now the idols of the present self proclaimed nationalist, who have donned the roles of testing others' integrity of nationalism. How funny. ​

RSS is the other name of Fascism (extreme nationalism), because RSS had and has roots in Fascism. Today, more than nationalism, good governance is the key. Every one of us is a nationalist in some way or other, and they need not trumpet time and again, their love for the country to prove their nationalism by uttering mere words or slogans dictated to them. The
damaging remarks and rants of some core Hindutva ideologues smells rat and smacks of hate and hatred towards a section of people and their minority-baiting disposition which is an anti-people attitude. To be anti-people is anti-India, to be anti-India means anti-national and to be anti-national is a treason, treachery, duplicity and betrayal of Indian Constitution. There are anti-nationals among the so-called nationalists and there are nationalists among the alleged anti-nationals.

I wonder if completely ignoring the RSS/ BJP will be better, than challenging them, as Owaisi did on Bharat Mata issue. Secondly Muslims have to realize that there will always be some Muslims (like qutub mamajiwala) out of the 180 million, who will sing their tune.
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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:56 pm

qutub_mamajiwala wrote:rss has said that in reference to jnu. and in regard to communist ideology.
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:muslim clergy did not support umar khalid due to his communist ideology
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:in jnu case seeing their leaders siding with alleged anti national elements and communist.
You have a great fascination for "Communists" and they are your number 3 enemies (After Muslims in general and Wahabi in particular).....

The USSR was wound up more than 25 years ago . After which women of the former USSR were found in the While Slave trade of the world and the children who were in schools under Stalinist Communism were homeless and in gangs and on the streets or given away in adoption to the USA where many died . That capitulation is an old story only for FOSSILS .

It is now Capitalism which is collapsing all over the world and in India but I do not expect the propagandist of the Corporate World to understand that their world is teetering . Those whom the Gods want to destroy they first render mad/insane. In the present case they are so carried away by the history of Communism that they cannot see that presently it is Capitalism and Fascism which is SELF DESTRUCTING EVERYWHERE .

Carry on propagandists even as the water of your country under CAPITALISM (AND HINDUISM) IS DRYING UP and many regions are thirsty and hungry . Which your diatribes are not going to assuage .

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ghulam muhammed wrote:If no law, would have cut the heads of those who don’t say Bharat Mata Ki Jai: Ramdev

Referring to Muslims who refuse to chant ‘Bharat Mata ki Jai’, yoga guru Ramdev on Sunday said if the country didn’t have laws, “hum toh lakhon ki gardan kaat sakte hain (we would have decapitated lakhs)”. He also said “if any religion says that do not honour the motherland, such a religion is also not in the interest of this country”.

https://in.news.yahoo.com/no-law-cut-he ... 00533.html
Social Humour: Jokes on Ramdev after his inflammatory remark

Patanjali launches new shampoo.

Behead & Shoulders


What's the similarity between Baba Ramdev and ISIS ?

Both are in Cut throat competition.


Coming soon in stores near you.

Waiting for Baba Ramdev to launch Patanjali headache tablets.
If you don't say 'Bharat Mata Ki Jai' you'll go from head-ek to head-zero.



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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Sun Apr 10, 2016 1:48 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
How "Tolerant" are your saffrom brigade now ? They are in majority !! Do I have to once again post articles on the intolerance debate ?

definitely more tolerant than minority community , and the proof is there is minority community living and working else there is no such thing as minortiy community anywhere else in the world enjoying so much freedom except in western and liberal world. better go to neighbouring countries to see their lever of tolerance. i am not lover of rss or any hindu organisation but just seeing things in proper perspective.

intolerance debate was also manufactured by people like left individuals only , by tacit support of congress and americanised educated.



So you want that Muslims should behave like cowards and follow all the fatwas from your Hindutva organisations with heads bend down ? They should go on tolerating all the atrocities committed on them in the name of Hindu Rashtra !
not behave cowardly , but sensibly instead of brainless, foolish piglets grumbling at everything at the drop of hat. there are far more serious issues to tackle than this foolish slogan shouting. they are always looking for sunnah leaving fardh. and anyway there is no harm in shouting slogans per se. it will not make their dharam brasth. it is just opposing for the sake of opposing.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:06 pm

qutub_mamajiwala wrote:not behave cowardly , but sensibly instead of brainless, foolish piglets grumbling at everything at the drop of hat. there are far more serious issues to tackle than this foolish slogan shouting.
You should tell this to your masters in Nagpur as it is they who raked up this issue in order to divert public attention from core issues and failures by their government at centre.

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ghulam muhammed wrote:
qutub_mamajiwala wrote:not behave cowardly , but sensibly instead of brainless, foolish piglets grumbling at everything at the drop of hat. there are far more serious issues to tackle than this foolish slogan shouting.
You should tell this to your masters in Nagpur as it is they who raked up this issue in order to divert public attention from core issues and failures by their government at centre.
core public issues is diverted by all political parties, why only blame one and this issue was raked up by foolish histrionics and dramabaazi of owaisi by saying knife on his neck blah blah. tell him also to work for ppl instead of doing dramabaazi

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ghulam muhammed wrote:
I wonder if completely ignoring the RSS/ BJP will be better, than challenging them, as Owaisi did on Bharat Mata issue. Secondly Muslims have to realize that there will always be some Muslims (like qutub mamajiwala) out of the 180 million, who will sing their tune.[/b]
yes ignoring them is best, they are not worth that much. it is u people who give so much imp to them. by ur so called insecurity. no body sings their tune. but anytime better to sing their tune than be crass communal and talk about pluralist and tolerance--sheer hypocrisy

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Unread post by SBM » Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:32 am

Yes ignoring them is best, they are not worth that much. it is u people who give so much imp to them. by ur so called insecurity. no body sings their tune. but anytime better to sing their tune than be crass communal and talk about pluralist and tolerance--sheer hypocrisy
Br QM
So with this logic would not it be better for you and others to ignore Wahabis/Saudis as they are not worth that much. It is people like you who give so much importance to them by your so called insecurity, a great number of Muslims around the world do not sing their tunes just less than 1% of Muslim population may be singing their hard core tunes.
So do as you say.

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:20 am

bro sbm,
first of all i dont hate wahabis or any other ppl --i hate ibn taimiyya ideology which is root cause of all evil and concerned coz it is spreading here to disrupt the as bro gm calls pluralistic, tolerant and secular society.
second--ur factually wrong when u say only 1 percent follow that. as bro gm had said in previous post--only few terrorist spoil the image of islam--i will like to correct that FEW were before now there are MANY, and all other majority of them sympathise with their way of thinking, except for the violence part---violence or terrorist in itself are not a major problem as can be handled very easily, but the way of thinking is definitely problem.

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Unread post by SBM » Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:03 am

Br QM
ok if you think it is Al tamiya's ideology which is the root cause then please explain why Buddhist are killing Muslims or why Bosnian Muslims were slaughtered or worst of all Why millions of Jews were burned by a devout Catholic follower, did they all follow At Tamiya's ideology. and how about the Trishul carrying extremists in your part of the world?
1% number is the number quoted by US and European intelligence agencies as well as law enforcement agencies.

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:41 am

bro sbm
i am not defending any buddhist, christian or hindus or jews for killing muslims.
in his world, there have been riots, crusades and war and all blood letting since adam's son. his son killed his brother.
and since then it has been increasing instead of decreasing.
but at present times, it is this ideology which is causing rift.
in all the places u mentioned, how many of them were liberal muslims and how many sympathizing with so called radical ideology?
have u studied?
i will give u one example--
yesterday shankaracharya the alleged and so called head of hindus gave some foolish and stupid statement like women should not visit shani temple and such --there was backlash from hindu community, and everybody including ur fascist shivsena ridiculed him. each and everybody of all political parties bigwigs gave opposing statement to him
now how many people have done same with stupid saudi fatwa or darul-deoband fatwa of not chanting slogans?
in fact majority sympathize with them including so called moderate.
one percent which u mentioned of european and other survey includes only violent groups. but other may be 90 percent if not all in some way or the other have similar thought process--- like in charlie case--the majority said " yes it is bad to kill the printers of cartoon, BUT they should also not provoke by drawing cartoons" --this capital BUT is a serious problem.

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now how many people have done same with stupid saudi fatwa or darul-deoband fatwa of not chanting slogans?
Br QM
I do not know about your part of world but I can say that in USA and also in Europe many Muslims have issued condemnation of such Fatwas
Many Muslim Organizations including one of the largest ISNA has come out against such fatwas. I am part of of the largest local Muslim Organization which include many Sunni and Shia leaders including local Shaikhs and Imams who have come out against it
I suggest you look up Mehdi Hassan of Al Jazeera and listen to his program as well as Dean Obaidullah and Raza Aslan of USA and will find how they have publicly come out against them
From Europe you should read Prof Tariq Ramadan and you will know how Muslims have come out against Saudi theology. Part of the problem is that due to their Petro Dollars, American-European and Now Indians kiss their a--es..
A great majority of American Muslims despise Saudis (and Anajmi is part of it) but so much we can do.

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Open Letter To 'Head Chopping' Billionaire Baba Ramdev

Baba,

At the outset I must congratulate you for making big strides so far as your personality is concerned. You have really become a MARD; MAN in capital, now. On June 6, 2011 afraid of Delhi police you ran away in female attire from Ram Lila ground, leaving hundreds of your followers at the mercy of Delhi Police. But now as press reports from Rohtak, Haryana disclose you are courageous enough to chop heads of millions for not chanting 'Bharat Mata ki Jai'. It really shows the farsightedness of your wisdom that in a meeting which was held to create 'sadbhav' or fraternity among different Castes/sections of Hindus which was shattered in last February you did not budge from the main agenda of Hindutva; teaching Indian Muslims a lesson. As a master performer of the Hindutva bandwagon you focussed on Muslims despite the fact that latter had no hand in the February blood bath in Haryana. Baba! you and your friends were perfectly right in asking Anuradha Beniwal, the UK based chess trainer-cum-writer originally from Haryana to stop when she said, "We [Hindus] have burnt the establishments of our neighbours, our friends, our brothers. To get the bottom of the matter, and to resolve it, we have to ask certain questions to ourselves, to our society and our government", as she was deviating from your anti-Muslim agenda. (2) Baba! You are a true Hindutva rising star!

Baba!Allow me to touch few petty issues. Just enlighten ignorant persons like me on these few minor things which I will summarize in the following:

(1) Where were you and your RSS bandwagon when Haryana burnt for more than 10 days in February 2016 in which countless women were violated, more than 30 killed and property worth, 30 thousand crores was looted/burnt? I hope you remember that Haryana during this critical period was abandoned by the BJP/RSS political leadership and Indian Army whose job is to secure Indian territory against enemies was called to control this civil anarchy. Indian Army had to shoot Indians killing more than 20. You and RSS were seen nowhere chanting 'Bharat Mata ki Jai'.

(2) Moreover, since you declared your intention of chopping heads (to quote your words'behead lakhs of those'), who refuse to chant 'Bharat Mata ki Jai', in a RSS organized meeting, it can be assumed that RSS is too committed to this chant. It is a blatantly lie baba! Forget about this chant, RSS never participated in the Indian Freedom Struggle. Let me quote directly from the contemporary RSS documents to prove this fact. Guru Golwalkar, the most prominent ideologue of the RSS and Supremo of the RSS 1940 onward admitted the fact that RSS kept aloof from the Freedom Struggle in the following words: "There is another reason for the need of always remaining involved in routine work. There is some unrest in the mind due to the situation developing in the country from time to time. There was such unrest in 1942 [Quit India Movement]. Before that there was the movement in 1930-31 [Salt Satyagrah]. At that time many other people had gone to Doctorji (By Doctorji is meant Dr. Hedgewar, the founder of the RSS). This delegation requested Doctorji that this movement will give independence and Sangh should not lag behind. At that time, when a gentleman told Doctorji that he was ready to go to jail, Doctorji said: ‘Definitely go. But who will take care of your family then? That gentleman replied, ‘I have sufficiently arranged resources not only to run the family expenses for two years but also to pay fines according to the requirements’, then Doctorji told him: ‘If you have fully arranged for the resources then come out to work for the Sangh for two years’. After returning home that gentleman neither went to jail nor came out to work for the Sangh. (3)

Non-cooperation and Quit India Movements were two great milestones in the history of the Indian Freedom Movement and here was the great thesis of great Golwalkar on these two great happenings of the Freedom Movement. According to him: "Definitely there are bound to be bad results of struggle. The boys became unruly after the 1920-21 [Non-cooperation Movement] movement. It is not an attempt to throw mud at the leaders. But these are inevitable products after the struggle. The matter is that we could not properly control these results. After 1942, people often started thinking that there was no need to think of the law. (4)

Thus Golwalkar wanted the Indians to respect the draconian and repressive laws of the inhuman British rulers! While narrating the RSS attitude towards Quit India Movement (1942) he admitted:"In 1942 also there was a strong sentiment in the hearts of many. At that time too the routine work of Sangh continued. Sangh vowed not to do anything directly. However, upheaval (uthal-puthal) in the minds of Sangh volunteers continued. Sangh is an organization of inactive persons, their talks are useless, not only outsiders but also many of our volunteers did talk like this. They were greatly disgusted too. (5)

Baba, please secure a single publication or document of the RSS which, could throw some light on the great work the RSS did 'indirectly' for the Quit India movement. In all fairness to Guru Golwalkar, he did not claim that the RSS had been opposed to the British. He admitted it long after Independence also while delivering a speech before leading cadres of the RSS at Indore in 1960. Referring to the British rule he admitted: "We should remember that in our pledge we have talked of the freedom of the country through defending religion and culture. There is no mention of departure of the British in that. (6)

Golwalkar was not alone in denigrating the Freedom Struggle and glorifying the British rulers. His Guru and founder of the RSS, Hedgewar, had similar views. The official biography of Hedgewar has the following self-explanatory statement: “After establishing Sangh Doctor Saheb in his speeches used to talk only of Hindu organization. Direct comment on Government used to be nil.” (7)

Billionaire Baba! You are very fond of referring to the great martyr of the anti-British Freedom Struggle, Bhagat Singh. But your Hindutva co-traveller, RSS decried the whole tradition of martyrdom followed by these martyrs. Here is a passage from the chapter, ‘Martyr, Great But Not Ideal’ of Bunch Of Thoughts, the collectionof writings of MS Golwalkar decrying the whole tradition of martyrs. After declaring that his objects of worship have always been successful lives and that 'Bhartiya culture' [which surely means RSS culture] does not adore and idealize martyrdom and do not treat 'such martyrs as their heroes', he went on to philosophize that: "There is no doubt that such man who embrace martyrdom are great heroes and their philosophy too is pre-eminently manly. They are far above the average men who meekly submit to fate and remain in fear and inaction. All the same, such persons are not held up as ideals in our society. We have not looked upon their martyrdom as the highest point of greatness to which men should aspire. For, after all, they failed in achieving their ideal, and failure implies some fatal flaw in them." (8)

Baba! Could there be a statement more insulting and denigrating to the martyrs than this?

(3) Ramdev baba! India is lucky that you were not there when Gandhiji, Jawahar Lal Nehru and Sardar Patel were alive. They never chanted 'Bharat Mata ki Jai'. On the contrary, they used the term 'Jai Hind' (victory to India) in official correspondence and communications. With 'Jai Hind' they ended their public addresses. If you were their contemporary they too should have been at risk of losing their heads for not chanting 'Bharat Mata ki Jai'. Since Independence all presidents and prime ministers (including PM Atal Bihari Vajpayee) of the Indian Republic chanted 'Jai Hind'and not 'Bharat Mata ki Jai', they were lucky not have their heads chopped off as you were not around baba!

I know you are very busy in marketing Hindutva and Patanjali products; I will not take more of your time. Just last query, please share with the nation where and when during the Freedom Struggle the Hindutva bandwagon which included your RSS, Hindu Mahasabha, chanted 'Bharat Mata ki Jai' against the British. And how many times Hedgewar and Golwalkar, the two Supremo of the RSS during the British rule, or any other leader/cadre of the RSS, were jailed for freedom of India, chanting this or any other slogan against the British.

Eagerly looking forward for your kind response,

Shamsul Islam
5-4-2016

Shamsul Islam is a retired Professor of University of Delhi.Email: notoinjustice@gmail.com

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:00 am

SBM wrote:
now how many people have done same with stupid saudi fatwa or darul-deoband fatwa of not chanting slogans?
Br QM
I do not know about your part of world but I can say that in USA and also in Europe many Muslims have issued condemnation of such Fatwas
Many Muslim Organizations including one of the largest ISNA has come out against such fatwas. I am part of of the largest local Muslim Organization which include many Sunni and Shia leaders including local Shaikhs and Imams who have come out against it
I suggest you look up Mehdi Hassan of Al Jazeera and listen to his program as well as Dean Obaidullah and Raza Aslan of USA and will find how they have publicly come out against them
From Europe you should read Prof Tariq Ramadan and you will know how Muslims have come out against Saudi theology. Part of the problem is that due to their Petro Dollars, American-European and Now Indians kiss their a--es..
A great majority of American Muslims despise Saudis (and Anajmi is part of it) but so much we can do.
bro sbm
i am not talking about europe and us.
they are very liberal and secular--so gud for them.
and they try hard to protect that fabric except some few.
like in france when they ban scarf, all muslims are up in arms for the sake of their religion.
doubt how many of them would have missed the fard namaaz for the sake of scarf.
and the rest few who are very accomodating in the name of secular ethos are also seeing the dangers of it now.
but all said and done
i am talking about india and the thinking of the moderate muslims here

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:02 am

Stop using me, says face of Gujarat riots Ansari

AHMEDABAD: Some faces and images never die. And this is what he hates about himself. Fourteen years after he was involuntarily crowned the face of Gujarat riots, Qutubuddin Ansari finds himself "used" by the Congress for the Assam and West Bengal assembly polls.

"Every time this happens, life becomes more difficult for me. Tomorrow everyone will know and people will question my motives. In fact, I did not even know about this," Ansari says.

Qutubuddin Ansari was 29 when his photograph, a young man with tears in his eyes, begging for mercy, for life, became the defining image of 2002 riots.
"I am 43 and in the past 14 years, I have been "used and misused" by political parties, Bollywood and even terror outfits. I wish I had died in 2002 because I am not able to answer my children when they ask me "Papa, every time we saw your picture, why are you crying and begging?""
In constituencies across Assam and W Bengal, where assembly elections are on, posters with Qutubuddin's photo find a strategic place. The captions read: Does Modi's Gujarat mean development? Do you want Assam to be another Gujarat? The decision is yours. Only alternative to Congress in Assam is the Congress, one caption reads.
'They make my life difficult'
Sitting in his small rat-infested one room in Birjunagar, a predominantly Muslim chawl, Ansari who works as a tailor says, he does not earn enough to provide for his wife and three children. His biggest grouse is political parties using him for their gains. "Why do they use me? Don't they understand that this makes life difficult for me?" he says.
Without naming the BJP, he says, "Some people in political parties think I deliberately offer my face and services. This makes my life more complicated. I want to live in Gujarat and I want peace."
The haunting image of Ansari captured by Arko Datta in 2002 showed the young man pleading for his life with folded hands and tears. Ansari lived near Naroda Patiya and his colony was attacked by sword-wielding fanatics who were out to kill and burn any Muslim they saw.
Ansari had seen a Rapid Action Force (RAF) contingent pass by through a crack in the door upstairs where he was hiding. His wife was pregnant then. He pleaded for his life and was saved by the central forces. Datta's picture of Ansari became the most defining picture of Gujarat riots.
"The picture gave me life. I was saved because media was travelling with the RAF then and maybe the cops could not ignore and saved me. But it cost me everything else in my life. I lost my job and my mental peace. Fundamentalist Hindus spotted me and tried to target me. And now political parties try to use me and my picture without my consent," Ansari told Mirror.
In Assam and West Bengal, there is a sizeable Muslim electorate, and the Congress hopes to capitalise with Ansari's posters.
A miffed Ansari said, "Congress has not sought my consent for this. In fact, in the past Sharad Pawar's NCP and Samajwadi Party besides some other local state parties used my picture in a similar manner. I have approached the court, but in vain." Ansari was shocked when Indian Mujahideen used his pictures during Delhi blasts along with Quran verses that stressed that the Delhi blasts were to avenge Gujarat 2002.
'They accuse me of taking money to let them use pic'
Without naming the BJP, Ansari says, he has been accused of accepting money in return for using his picture for poll propaganda by "some people associated with political parties".
"Every time some political party uses my picture, someone else gets offended."
'Hindus have apologised to me with folded hands'
After he became the 'face of the riots", his employer sacked him. The West Bengal government offered him help and so he moved to Kolkata. At the insistence of his ailing mother, he returned to Gujarat in 2008. Ansari insists people recognise him all across the country and that there have been Hindus who have approached him with folded hands, offering apology. There are fascists in all religions, be it my religion Islam or Hinduism. "I have friends from across communities and I am proud of it," he says. Ansari's current employer is a Hindu, and he says he is a wonderful human being, who understands his situation.

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