Australia Supreme Court criminal trial for Bohra FGM practice

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Shk Mohammed Yamani
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Re: Australia Supreme Court criminal trial for Bohra FGM practice

#91

Unread post by Shk Mohammed Yamani » Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:59 pm

These photos are doing rounds on whatsapp in London bohra jamaat, people sitting on the fences are praising these lot for standing up against FGM, many young girls are planning to raise their voices and have agreed not to let their daughters go under the knife. Maashaallah.
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#92

Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:06 pm

As I had said earlier also, these are very refreshing signs as Bohras are now challenging the corrupt Dai and his establishment "Openly". The fear factor is no more there and I bet that Muffy must be having sleepless nights and his PR team must be working overnight to curb the rebellion before it spreads to other countries especially India, Africa and Dubai where extortion is at its peak !!



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#93

Unread post by Ozdundee » Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:35 am

The Dawaat has not come forward to appeal the judgement.


The likely hood of success of appealwas too low. The consequences of failure would be very harsh for the guilty and Bohra society in general.

SMS is cautioned not to step foot on Australia territory for the forseable future.



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#94

Unread post by kseeker » Fri Aug 12, 2016 7:44 am

I wonder if this will in any way affect bohra migrations to australia...



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Unread post by New » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:23 pm

Muffy will not set his foot in Australia. He rides in Palkhi. No chance...
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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:41 pm

Russian mufti calls for universal female genital mutilation

Ismail Berdiyev declares FGM for all women would be 'a good thing'.

Senior Muslim cleric and Islamic spiritual leader of the North Caucuses Ismail Berdiyev has declared in an interview that if female genital mutilation (FGM) could be forced upon all women that would be "very good".

Berdiyev made the controversial comments to Russia's official Interfax news agency as he responded to a human right's report which urged for an end to the practice in the North Caucuses. If FGM "could be applied to all women, that would be very good", he was quoted as saying.

The religious leader was decorated by President Vladimir Putin in March at a ceremony in Red Square, where the two men embraced. He claimed FGM would not stop women from being mothers – their natural role – but "there would be less fornication".

The statements have provoked a backlash, AFP reported. As a result, Berdiyev attempted to play them down as a joke.

Adding fuel to the fire a Russian Orthodox Cleric responded to the Mufti's declaration saying Muslims had a right to a "time-honoured tradition". Vsevolod Chaplin said: "You probably don't need to 'circumcise' all women, there's no need with Orthodox women as they don't fornicate anyway".

The Russian government has immediately distanced itself from the statements. The head of the health ministry's public health department Oleg Salagai was quoted by the RIA Novosti news agency as saying FGM is "mutilating and not positive in any way".

The comments by both religious leaders highlighted the contents of the original report by the NGO Russian Justice Group. It said the cutting of girls' genitals in mountain villages in the North Caucasus region of Dagestan had carried on "without any attention whatsoever from the authorities".

"In Dagestan, most of society is still not ready to admit that this problem exists," the NGO stated. FGM has "almost total support" in some areas and is often seen as a "compulsory ritual".

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/russian-mufti- ... on-1576830#



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#97

Unread post by Ozdundee » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:19 am

Sayedna launches Appeal

More wajebat and ziafats funds to be used in challenging the judgement.

Show begins in 2017

https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision ... 596cb9f753



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#98

Unread post by Shk Mohammed Yamani » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:24 pm

Ozdundee wrote:Say dna launches Appeal

More wajebat and ziafats funds to be used in challenging the judgement.

Show begins in 2017

https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision ... 596cb9f753
Ozdundee bhai, salaam
Does this mean hes out on bail? If so, Muffy did dua on 8th night of Moharram that "ke koi bhi ghunawo na sabab aghar moomin jail ma hoi toe dua karu chu ke jaldi ehne jail si khuda chorawi dei" this means that khotta mufla mola ni dua kaam laghi ghai aah criminal bhaisab ne
Oh wow, if this bhaisab is out so that means even paedophiles like Shaikh Husain Master of UK's Bradford jamaat who was grooming 14 and 15 year old white girls by offering them drugs and beer can also come out out of the prison and do the crimes again??
Please check this out

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/n ... 5.display/

This master guy was originally from Kuwait
Did a big ghotalo in jamaat, he was already abusing bohra girls in Kuwait, married one of hes cousin from Sagwara in Bradford UK, settled and within a year or so got a container full of basmati rice from india, along with hashish and coke, somehow evaded the watchful eyes of UK customs and overnight became a millioner and in 2008 Late syedna Mohammed stayed at hes place whilst visiting Bradford for masjid iftitah.
This is how bohras have made their millions by stealing and by deceit, just like Taher Saifuddin stole saifee mahal from the adamji peerbhoy



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#99

Unread post by Ozdundee » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:50 pm

Dawaat are in advanced stages of launching an Appeal against the Sydney FGM convictions.

Senior dawaat officials are arriving and remotely advising the Appeal teams.

What is the drive for appeal. To clear Sayednas reputation damage in international fraternity.

If the Appeal fails they will dig themselves deeper. Far right groups are monitoring an Islamic group is so stubbornly fighting to preserve FGM



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#100

Unread post by Ozdundee » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:11 pm

Australia Appeal dates are in late 2017.

This will allow US cases to have progressed.



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#101

Unread post by Ozdundee » Tue May 16, 2017 3:22 am

A Sydney Jamaat committee and staunch SMS loyalist member was on trial on 15 May 2017 for perverting the course of justice regarding the Sydney FGM investigations.

Total of four 2 women and 2 men convicted.

More convictions to come.



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#102

Unread post by Shk Mohammed Yamani » Tue May 16, 2017 7:02 pm

Ozdundee wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 3:22 am
A Sydney Jamaat committee and staunch SMS loyalist member was on trial on 15 May 2017 for perverting the course of justice regarding the Sydney FGM investigations.

Total of four 2 women and 2 men convicted.

More convictions to come.
How come Australian media aren't picking up on these stories? If these Bohris were on trial, wasn't there any reporter's to report the events or are have they been silenced by the Quid Johnys AKA Qaeed Chor BS and Co?



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#103

Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Wed May 17, 2017 12:36 am

Ozdundee wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 3:22 am
A Sydney Jamaat committee and staunch SMS loyalist member was on trial on 15 May 2017 for perverting the course of justice regarding the Sydney FGM investigations.

Total of four 2 women and 2 men convicted.

More convictions to come.
Any link to news reports? What was the nature and length of the conviction?



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#104

Unread post by Ozdundee » Wed May 17, 2017 6:11 pm

Serious criminal cases are normally finalised in the higher courts such as the District or Supreme courts.

However, you may have noticed that defendants in serious cases attend the Local Court at the start of the proceedings.

Why is that?

It’s because all criminal cases will normally start off in the Local Court, no matter how serious they are.

They will not all be finalised there, in fact some offences cannot be finalised in the local court – they must go up to a higher court. These are called ‘strictly indictable offences’.

The first step in the court process for serious offences is to go through the local court process and to reach a committal hearing.

At the start, the case will be listed for a ‘mention’ and the local court magistrate will order that police must give you all of their ‘evidence’ within a certain time period, normally 6 weeks. That ‘evidence’ will usually consist of witness statements, police statements, photos, forensic evidence, expert statements, phone records, CCTV footage, surveillance records etc.

Unfortunately, where forensic evidence is involved, the case is likely to be significantly delayed and the case may not reach a committal hearing for several months, or sometimes even more than a year.

Committal hearings are basically the stage where the prosecution have to prove that a case is strong enough to actually progress towards a trial.

The magistrate doesn’t deliver an official verdict during a committal hearing as to whether the defendant is guilty or not; instead committal hearings serve a more administrative purpose.

The point of a committal hearing is to decide whether there is enough evidence to determine whether or not the person should go to trial at all.

According to the Criminal Procedure Act NSW, a magistrate’s job is to decide whether or not there is a reasonable possibility that a reasonable jury, properly instructed, would convict you. This is called the ‘prima facie test’.

If not, the magistrate must immediately order the defendant’s discharge.

The other matter which may be decided at a committal hearing is whether or not the defendant will receive bail.

However, this does not mean that the many rules surrounding court procedure don’t apply.

You (or your lawyer) must still turn up.

Committal proceedings are normally held in an open court, so the public can attend, and all the strict rules surrounding evidence still apply.

Do I have to plead at a committal hearing?

No, you don’t have to but you can.

If you plead guilty, the magistrate can decide whether or not to accept the guilty plea.

If the plea is accepted, the magistrate will commit you to the district or supreme court for your sentencing proceedings.



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#105

Unread post by bohrispy » Wed May 24, 2017 4:14 am

There was a very big fight in Sydney masjid and fgm was mentioned a few times. Does anyone know what was going on?



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#106

Unread post by Ozdundee » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:56 pm

The 3 FGM convicted and already sentenced lodged an Appeal to the Court of Appeal, panel of 3 Judges . The hearing was conducted over 3 days in Oct 2017. The 3 Judges are considering the case and will provide a decision within 6 months.

The result could go 3 ways, revised sentencing, retrial or judgement of previous remains.

The dawaat and Australia Bohras are paying indirectly big time for massive legal costs to support these 3.

If it goes for retrial it will be in the news and media all over again. A retrial would be a good outcome for anti FGM cause as it would bring Bohra FGM back into spot light.

Detroit and Sydney FGM would be in competition on the front pages next to Trump and Kim Kardashian. This is a zero sum game...you lose we win you win we win anyway ....we have won.



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#107

Unread post by Ozdundee » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:07 pm

dal-chaval-palidu wrote:
Wed May 17, 2017 12:36 am
Ozdundee wrote:
Tue May 16, 2017 3:22 am
A Sydney Jamaat committee and staunch SMS loyalist member was on trial on 15 May 2017 for perverting the course of justice regarding the Sydney FGM investigations.

Total of four 2 women and 2 men convicted.

More convictions to come.
Any link to news reports? What was the nature and length of the conviction?
Bohra Lawyer pleads guilty for perverting the course of justice regarding the Sydney FGM investigations. Judgement due in next few months.



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#108

Unread post by Ozdundee » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:31 am

The prestigious lowy institute mentions it.

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-inter ... n-in-india

A lady has worked tirelessly, self funded, deep in night behind the scenes, the mastermind of Indian operations to achieve this milestone. She deserves prayers and congratulations .

Allah swt please reward her deeds. She will save thousands of girls from the knife.

After success in Australia operations, followed by USA and now we can smell the victory in India.



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#109

Unread post by Ozdundee » Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:02 am

Among the many events we host, the annual Lowy Lecture is the Lowy Institute's signature event, at which a prominent individual reflects on Australia’s role in the world and the world’s influence on Australia. Past Lowy Lecturers have included Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull; H.E. Dr Angela Merkel, Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany; General David Petraeus AO, former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency; Rupert Murdoch AC, Executive Chairman of News Corp; Lionel Barber, Editor of the Financial Times; and Prime Minister John Howard OM AC,



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#110

Unread post by level_headed » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:09 am

Australian FGM case. All have been acquitted.
Maula Maula Mufaddal Maula !!!



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#111

Unread post by Ozdundee » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:06 am

The courts last comment
The Court emphasised the need for legislative amendment to make clear (if that be the
intent of the legislature, as seemed apparent from the materials in evidence) that ritualised
female circumcision is to be prohibited in this State.



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#112

Unread post by allbird » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:27 am

level_headed wrote:
Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:09 am
Australian FGM case. All have been acquitted.
Maula Maula Mufaddal Maula !!!

Sukar Allah the innocents are free but its not due to DUA of Syedna but TONS of $$$ poured in through recent trips of Singapore and Malaysia.



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#113

Unread post by Ozdundee » Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:02 pm

OZD will comment soon on other issues there are cases still in progress.

All I can say the intent, as I stated many years ago, was not to jail individuals and that's not how reform is made, the intent was not to make martyrs. The affected parties should count their good fortunes.

The cases brought a difficult matter a very discreet topic to be discussed in very public global way. It forced the hand of orthodox when it was being ignored.

Yes during the case debates on this site no premature concessions are discussed and hard words were used. This was a serious mission. But Abdes too have their hypocrites who silently wanted the case to go another way. These are the spectators who bet on both sides.

Excommunication of those women who don't want FGM is yet to be resolved. That is next big thing. The case exposed other difficult findings.

Meanwhile it was for law enforcement and justice system to determine if crime was committed and law was breached. Police or Judges do not make laws, they apply laws, do not criticize them and Au judges are not corrupt at all , infact the politicians dislike them as they follow law through very narrow definition forcing parliament to update laws. The defence successfully convinced law was not broken through the long process.

You can read the Appeal recommendation. It also concludes the girls were and are touched ritually. There was evidence verbal, psychological and meficsl by victims that is undeniable.

There is 1000s of articles, surveys, media, Jamaat instructions, SMS and STF speeches on record that Bohra do perform an act that interferes with women's sexuality for good, enhancement or suppression whatever, but young girls have no choice. It is imposed on them. This can only be fought as a freedom or human rights issue.

But Au case was not about human rights or religious freedom, Though US is trying to flick it using DBWRF. It was specific on a form of FGM was commited . These religious freedom angle, what about individual freedom.

Was there FGM , was there evidence during appeal, it was not without doubt. Hence appeal outcome.

Court goes further which is a bonus to directly instruct state parliament to tighten the law on FGM so courts can apply it clearly. The legislative process takes these instructions very seriously especially when it comes from an Appeal court. I expect definition of FGM to be broadened very soon so future cases can be determined with expediency. So as any landmark case the future will benefit. Watch this space now that the case is over parliament will get involved. No risk of interference in a court process.

Yes I would have preferred a guilty outcome with suspended sentence , not jailing people, to be a deterrent.
So whoever thinks they can now go with license to khafz making khafz in Australia , it is not legal, will be met with full force of the public opinion and will land the community in deep trouble. I don't know if SMS has several $millions to bailout his Abdes over and over.