London Sabeel raised from £390 to £500 per person

[Dumbledore]

Counter message forwarding as received

Maula muminin si naraz nathi thaya n na mumin ni raza band thai che .wrong info che.
London ma recession chali rahyu che ane waha na amil ye wajebat n sabil just double kari nakhi hati ye thi waha na logo ye charity commision ma complain kari hati ane newspaper ma pan ayu hatu aa badhu maula ne khabar padta maula waha na amil par ghana khafa thaya n waha na amil ni raza band kari nakhi n mumbai pacha bulawi lidha. But amil ye koi pan local authority ne raza na api jethi waha na logo wagar imamat si namaz parhi. Pachi maula ye idrishbhaisaheb na damad ne raza api london mate n now everything is normal. The audio was of request arzi to maula for sending someone there. This is updated news. Pls dont forward wrong info that maula ye london na logo ni raza band kari. Ewu kai nathi thayu. Maula amil thi naraz thaya hata.mumin si nahi.

[Dumbledore]

Is there recession in England like Greece?

Just wondering how beautifully and tactically the meaning of messages can be altered.

[dawedaar]

For bohras, it may be. Coz if you are salaried, then your salary doesn't increase the way the Jamaat taxes increase every year. So technically, you have less money than previous year which is recession!

Is there recession in England like Greece?

Just wondering how beautifully and tactically the meaning of messages can be altered.

[DisillusionedDB]

Since when did they start being concerned about recession ?? Or should I ask -- Since when did they start being concerned about the bohra aam aadmi ?? AFAIK, the word "recession" doesn't exist in their dictionary.

[kimanumanu]

Counter message forwarding as received

Maula muminin si naraz nathi thaya n na mumin ni raza band thai che .wrong info che.
London ma recession chali rahyu che ane waha na amil ye wajebat n sabil just double kari nakhi hati ye thi waha na logo ye charity commision ma complain kari hati ane newspaper ma pan ayu hatu aa badhu maula ne khabar padta maula waha na amil par ghana khafa thaya n waha na amil ni raza band kari nakhi n mumbai pacha bulawi lidha. But amil ye koi pan local authority ne raza na api jethi waha na logo wagar imamat si namaz parhi. Pachi maula ye idrishbhaisaheb na damad ne raza api london mate n now everything is normal. The audio was of request arzi to maula for sending someone there. This is updated news. Pls dont forward wrong info that maula ye london na logo ni raza band kari. Ewu kai nathi thayu. Maula amil thi naraz thaya hata.mumin si nahi.

Does not sound right - they are being asked to sign maafi-nama. Why the need for that if only Amil is the culprit?

[dawedaar]

Who told you that they are concerned about recession. Infact, they had increased the taxes which was the root cause of all this upheaval.

Since when did they start being concerned about recession ?? Or should I ask -- Since when did they start being concerned about the bohra aam aadmi ?? AFAIK, the word "recession" doesn't exist in their dictionary.

[ghulam muhammed]

After the massive uproar by Bohras on social networking sites like whatsup, Kothar is trying to salvage the situation and Muffy's marketing team is sending messages as under :-

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Maula muminin si naraz nathi thaya n na mumin ni raza band thai che .wrong info che.
London ma recession chali rahyu che ane waha na amil ye wajebat n sabil just double kari nakhi hati ye thi waha na logo ye charity commision ma complain kari hati ane newspaper ma pan ayu hatu aa badhu maula ne khabar padta maula waha na amil par ghana khafa thaya n waha na amil ni raza band kari nakhi n mumbai pacha bulawi lidha. But amil ye koi pan local authority ne raza na api jethi waha na logo wagar imamat si namaz parhi. Pachi maula ye idrishbhaisaheb na damad ne raza api london mate n now everything is normal. The audio was of request arzi to maula for sending someone there. This is updated news. Pls dont forward wrong info that maula ye london na logo ni raza band kari. Ewu kai nathi thayu. Maula amil thi naraz thaya hata.mumin si nahi.

[DisillusionedDB]

Who told you that they are concerned about recession. Infact, they had increased the taxes which was the root cause of all this upheaval.

Since when did they start being concerned about recession ?? Or should I ask -- Since when did they start being concerned about the bohra aam aadmi ?? AFAIK, the word "recession" doesn't exist in their dictionary.

The original "damage control" message itself mentions recession. It says that London is in recession but yet the Amil increased the Sabil.

[bohrabhai]

Counter message forwarding as received

Maula muminin si naraz nathi thaya n na mumin ni raza band thai che .wrong info che.
London ma recession chali rahyu che ane waha na amil ye wajebat n sabil just double kari nakhi hati ye thi waha na logo ye charity commision ma complain kari hati ane newspaper ma pan ayu hatu aa badhu maula ne khabar padta maula waha na amil par ghana khafa thaya n waha na amil ni raza band kari nakhi n mumbai pacha bulawi lidha. But amil ye koi pan local authority ne raza na api jethi waha na logo wagar imamat si namaz parhi. Pachi maula ye idrishbhaisaheb na damad ne raza api london mate n now everything is normal. The audio was of request arzi to maula for sending someone there. This is updated news. Pls dont forward wrong info that maula ye london na logo ni raza band kari. Ewu kai nathi thayu. Maula amil thi naraz thaya hata.mumin si nahi.

Yaar I am not able to understand that simple fact whether he knew beforehand as he is gaib na janakar or he came to know afterwards.

[bohrabhai]

msg recvd :

Bushra Bushra Bushra

Khus Khabar.


Pleased to inform all London Mumineen that with immediate effect Sabil amount is reduced to UK £53.00 to be paid by the head of the family only.

All Zakaat paying Momin is advised to pay Zakaat as per there income.

Other contribution are voluntary and it is not Mandatory.

Mufaddal Moula Zindabaad.

[DisillusionedDB]

msg recvd :

Bushra Bushra Bushra

Khus Khabar.


Pleased to inform all London Mumineen that with immediate effect Sabil amount is reduced to UK £53.00 to be paid by the head of the family only.

All Zakaat paying Momin is advised to pay Zakaat as per there income.

Other contribution are voluntary and it is not Mandatory.

Mufaddal Moula Zindabaad.

Once you go on the offensive, they will back down. It's high time people in cities all over the world stood up to them.

[hamhyd]

msg recvd :

Bushra Bushra Bushra

Khus Khabar.


Pleased to inform all London Mumineen that with immediate effect Sabil amount is reduced to UK £53.00 to be paid by the head of the family only.

All Zakaat paying Momin is advised to pay Zakaat as per there income.

Other contribution are voluntary and it is not Mandatory.

Mufaddal Moula Zindabaad.

Once you go on the offensive, they will back down. It's high time people in cities all over the world stood up to them.

is this really happen

[dawedaar]

If this is true, then I am sure it will be like most business models these days where the base price is kept low to attract maximum customers but then, the other hidden charges are very high for added service. I am sure the jamaat will cover up with charges elsewhere. They will increase all other charges. People will oppose if you increase one thing by say a unit of 10 but if you can distribute that 10 units increase you want across ten line items/things, then it is 1 unit increase in each thing and people will not oppose. There have been cases where fraudsters skimmed pennies/cents from each account. But when you multiply that pennies/cents by thousands of accounts, then it adds to a huge amount but nobody notices as no1 cares if a few pennies/cents go missing from their account.

msg recvd :

Bushra Bushra Bushra

Khus Khabar.


Pleased to inform all London Mumineen that with immediate effect Sabil amount is reduced to UK £53.00 to be paid by the head of the family only.

All Zakaat paying Momin is advised to pay Zakaat as per there income.

Other contribution are voluntary and it is not Mandatory.

Mufaddal Moula Zindabaad.

[Nafisa]

Naeem son of Mansoor Muhiyuddin(Karachi) has been appointed new Aamil of London. He is more nasty then the Ex-Aamil London. To protect Dr. Idris, Mufaddal has played a new trick. It is high time that London Mumineen should not come in the satanic net of Mufaddal,once again. Dr. Idris Zainuddin had controled the Dawat office as an Aamil for more then 45 long years. His family enjoyed life as a family of crown prince of UK, on the money of Mumineen.

[jungle999]

Nafisa wrote[Naeem son of Mansoor Muhiyuddin(Karachi) has been appointed new Aamil of London. He is more nasty then the Ex-Aamil London.] if the amil comes to london LETS waite and see if london jummat will cowardley give in or go againest this amil.

[bohrabhai]

London problem explained by local

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[dawedaar]

Twisting the truth and facts as usual by the abdes to hide the actual happenings. Typical abde subterfuge.

London problem explained by local

london .mp3

[Al-Noor]

London problem explained by local

london .mp3

for a second I thought my sis is speaking her voice is exactly same.

2000 pounds sabil per month or a year?

[JC]

Karachi's gunda and chor Naeem is the new 'watchdog' of London .... watch out Londoners .............. kick his back too .......... Quid Choor will feel the pain

[think]

happy that londoners had the courage to report to the charity commission. The truth should be out. moula khafaa thaia because paisa kam avse. Only the charitable commission is powerful enough to question the money expenses and make everything transparent. Why should the londoners pay 500 sabil and the chamchas take a plane ride to bombay. Who is paying their plane tickets? This is some stupidity. Moula naraaz and mumineen have now to spend their cash in buying plane tickets etc for these chamchas to travel to bombay , just to say sorry big muffy we hear and obey and we will pay 500 if that makes you happy. what a bunch of bull crap is this.

[Ozdundee]

Karachi's gunda and chor Naeem is the new 'watchdog' of London .... watch out Londoners .............. kick his back too .......... Quid Choor will feel the pain

Londeners how is it possible for a Muslim priest who has served in Pakistan able to get a visa to work in UK with so much heightened security in UK

How would he get the visa so quickly , unless he is on a visitor visa and breaching the rules.

Someone needs to look into this !

[ghulam muhammed]

Naeem son of Mansoor Muhiyuddin(Karachi) has been appointed new Aamil of London. He is more nasty then the Ex-Aamil London. To protect Dr. Idris, Mufaddal has played a new trick. It is high time that London Mumineen should not come in the satanic net of Mufaddal,once again. Dr. Idris Zainuddin had controled the Dawat office as an Aamil for more then 45 long years. His family enjoyed life as a family of crown prince of UK, on the money of Mumineen.

[think]

is this the younger or older son of the late Mansoorbhai saheb? Know of late Mansoor bhai saheb who once was incharge of the saifee cycle works of Karachi. Have seen him many a times eating at shezaan restaurant during those old old days of karachi. sifee cycle of course is no more.

[New]

Congratulations Londoners. You really forced the issue. So go one step forward and ask for a transpert accounting and a democratic constitutation. Why not Momin Magna Charta?

[ghulam muhammed]

watsup msg :-

PAMPHLETS BEING CIRCULATED IN U.K. AS UNDER :-

It is with heavy heart and deep sorrow that you are being made aware of what is happening in Birmingham Jamaat (UK).
Although construction of Masjid is to be greatly applauded, following facts should be kept in mind;

1) Families who are grossly in Riba, they are the one who are contributing large sums of money for the fear of repercussions, and hence they are more plunging into Riba by building their so-called Empires and Portfolios.

2) Birmingham Amil saab is turning a blind to eye to this very important fact, simply because he himself wants to raise his false profile in the circles of Dawat, and make a name for himself. He refuses to give Safai Chitthi to those Mumineen who can't afford the amount of money which is forcibly demanded from them – albeit – this is a voluntary contribution and not a part of Compulsory dues.

3) Most recently qualified graduates and young professionals are buying their houses and businesses in Mortgages and consequently ever increasing Overdrafts, which is totally ignored by Birmingham Amil saab, and they are being blessed by him in his Waseelas.

4) Aqa Muqaddas Maula Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin has never ever discriminated any Mumineen in this way.

5) We may also bring to your kind information that each and every family has contributed towards the purchase of land for Masjid construction, then on what basis Amil saab is behaving against them. Moreover Birmingham has such a small community of Mumineen and vast majority of them are working class, it really has shocked and amazed other Jamaats that how can such a project of this magnitude and complexity was ever thought of without prior consultation of Mumineen and surprised that Raza was granted for its construction without proper funding and prospects of collecting funds for such a huge project.

6) Birmingham Amil is a very stubborn, most arrogant and extremely childish person, who does not listen to, nor does he takes advise from anyone. He never stays locally and is so hard to find him in case of any Khushi or Ranjh events. On most occasions atleast more then 50 or sometimes 100 calls have to be made, before he is traceable and even then he will not give a clear time or decide, when the event should take place. He has become a real nightmare for the Mumineen. He never stays to perform the Imamat Namaz except in Ramzan and in fact he just walks out of the Markaz, just few minutes before actual prayer times.

7) In the event of Mumineen’s relatives death overseas, it is such a task for those grieving Mumineen to obtain Raza, as he never stays locally, they have to ring him in Oxford, and after several messages his wife Bahen saab will call and inform the person that Bhai saab is thinking about your request and will let you know either tonight or tomorrow sometime and most of the times Soyam passes by. You can imagine how frustrating this is for families of deceased. They really feel desponded and despair at this time.

He enjoys so much in humiliating hose helpless non-contributors in Majlis, starts to shout at them, treats them as dirt, pulls his face, which is totally contradictory to the farmaan of our Aqa Mola TUS, who always prays for the wellbeing of all mumineen, calling them their own children, and proclaims that if ever anyone hurts or humiliates my mumineen, they are hurting me, with tears in his eyes Mubarak. He often urges Ummals, committee members with Takeed to look after my mumineen, treat them with utmost respect and dignity and affection. We want to know is Amil of Birmingham is not aware of this or is he immune to Aqa Mola’s Farman Mubarak ? Or does he considers himself beyond reproach.

9) It is regrettable that Birmingham’s Raees, Mashaikhs, Ex-Walimullas are keeping their mouths shut and turning their eyes away from the plight of Aqa Mola’s Mumineen.

10) It is a known fact that there are many families who are not able to contribute the large, unrealistic amounts of money, forcibly demanded under duress, despite the fact they are willing and begging to contribute the amount, which they are able to afford.

11) We are sure Dawat is well aware of the fact that this Masjid building project is going on for almost over 10 years, and even now, it is not near completion. Amil saab is finding extremely difficult to raise funds and now he travels abroad to collect funds and takes with him 2-3 members which further adds the burden to the local Mumineen.

12) Our beloved Aqa Mola TUS, we mumineen of Birmingham beg you in your Qadam Mubarak to save us from this torment, we are living in fear, we are so scared to attend Majlis/Functions due to being humiliated by him and committee members.

13) He has even asked committee members that those who have not contributed towards Masjid fund, should not be invited to Khushi Jamans/Marriages. They are not allowed to have any Khushi jaman, he will not grant permission for their children’s Misaq or Nikah. Most recently he declined to perform Nikah of a mumineen’s daughter, and he had to inform Vazarat, and even they could not get hold of Amil, and they had to get in touch with Jamat secretary after almost 3 days.

14) Aqa Mola TUS, we mumineen of Birmingham beg you in your Qadam Mubarak to listen to our plight and save us and let us live happily in your Zamaan.

[SBM]

^^
My kind of Aamil Kudos to him for getting his way. Need more like him to teach these Abdes/Amtes to stay in line. These cowardice Abdes/Amtes deserve such a leader, no tears to be shed.

[think]

The reason he keeps going to oxford because his corrupt and cunning father is over there. Yes, these amils come in all kinds of garden varieties but he surely is a thorn in our bohri society and has to be kicked out. his cousin in leicester and Nottingham are also the same kind and have to be bycotted from bohri society.

[Al-Noor]

very bad situation and I can feel that writer himself is really frustrated with what he is writing ....amazingly muffy and his team is blind over it.

nothing happens in DB world without dai consent so it is obvious muffy is well aware of amil action, it is useless to beg to muffy to come and save, this guy is equally partner in all crimes against momeenin.

[humanbeing]

This coercion, undue influence, persuasions are the ehsaan and karam of muffy maula to shove the barakat down your throat. this is how he teaches how to make rova jevu mooh !

[jungle999]

I have heard about this amil what the writer has written is right but writting to mula its no,no . because it will come from ear and gone from other ear he is to busy hunting/jumping from one country to other country making money .The main problem is the big chamchaas who are pampering this aminl and his wife .