Dubai Sabeel and recent Scam

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dawedaar
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Dubai Sabeel and recent Scam

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Unread post by dawedaar » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:46 pm

Hi, I heard that, in Dubai, once a family member reaches the age of 18/19, they have to pay separate sabeel irrespective of any extra income or job status. That is, even if a person is not working and has reached the age of 18/19, he has to pay separate sabeel. This is a big scam. I wonder how people are tolerating and still paying. Isn't sabeel according to the number of gas stoves in a household.

Also heard of recent embezzlement of funds in Dubai jamaat by the members. Anyone with more details on this and the double sabeel thing?

ghulam muhammed
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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:23 pm

Dubai is one of the most lucrative market for the Saifee Mahal mafias as regards extortion and surprisingly the locals are a gullible lot inspite of the country being very strict when it comes to such issues. It requires only 1 bold person to stand up and approach the government authorities after which the Kothari thugs will have to shut shop for good !!

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Unread post by think » Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:48 pm

one of the most corrupt dawoodi bohra jamaats in the world today is the dubai jamaat. just think, how can sabeel be calculated on the number of stoves in one's house or apartment. the kothar mafias are minting over here because of the mass illiteracy prevalent in this jamaat. mostly they comprise the vaswalas and sagwalas. If the sheikh gets even a slight whiff of what is going on , he will surely shut this kothar dukaan down for good.

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Unread post by Al-Noor » Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:25 am

think wrote:one of the most corrupt dawoodi bohra jamaats in the world today is the dubai jamaat. just think, how can sabeel be calculated on the number of stoves in one's house or apartment. the kothar mafias are minting over here because of the mass illiteracy prevalent in this jamaat. mostly they comprise the vaswalas and sagwalas. If the sheikh gets even a slight whiff of what is going on , he will surely shut this kothar dukaan down for good.
you mean in thousands not even one man?

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Unread post by jungle999 » Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:25 am

I have heard its not only dubia jamaats but even in uk they have to pay in each Sabeel per person this has been going on for long time this is just money for big amils and his goons and the sabeel is going up soon I hope uk people wake up.

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Unread post by Al-Noor » Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:13 am

I would like to clarify one very important point here, lets stop accusing Amils for these high sabils and all other problems, actually muffy himself is directly involve in all these scams, he himself promotes these corrupt amils and he encourage them to loot people and sell Masjid places and all other scams. unless people realize who is main culprit nothing is going to get change. in bohra world nothing happens without the permission of main leader. these amils directly reports every thing to muffy.

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Unread post by dawedaar » Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:15 am

The Dubai Sheikh is a big fan of Maula (at least he was of 52nd Dai). The Kotharis/Jamaat have close relationship with him. So I don't think Sheikh would do anything! The Dubai Sheikh it seems cares least about religion or Islam. Dubai is all about money, glamor, ayyashi! To show the world that it is Islamic, they have kept few laws like kissing in public is banned etc.. Otherwise, Dubai me sab chalta hai!
think wrote:one of the most corrupt dawoodi bohra jamaats in the world today is the dubai jamaat. just think, how can sabeel be calculated on the number of stoves in one's house or apartment. the kothar mafias are minting over here because of the mass illiteracy prevalent in this jamaat. mostly they comprise the vaswalas and sagwalas. If the sheikh gets even a slight whiff of what is going on , he will surely shut this kothar dukaan down for good.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:10 pm

think wrote:one of the most corrupt dawoodi bohra jamaats in the world today is the dubai jamaat. just think, how can sabeel be calculated on the number of stoves in one's house or apartment. the kothar mafias are minting over here because of the mass illiteracy prevalent in this jamaat. mostly they comprise the vaswalas and sagwalas. If the sheikh gets even a slight whiff of what is going on , he will surely shut this kothar dukaan down for good.
To get an idea of a Dubai Bohra's psyche, let me produce below some old posts which appeared on this forum :-

DUBAI FANATICS.

EVENTS THAT HAPPEN IN DUBAI :-


1. 365 Days Jaman, Jaman, Jaman

2. Fakhir Najwa cover distribution on every occassion, if you miss....you can collect it from Jamaat office (A Few stupid Abdes actually go there and collect it!!!). All Abdes should now call themselves as "SABDE Syedna"

3. Few years back, they distributed a "Form" wherein, you have to write all your "Gunha's" so that TUS can grant his forgiveness!!!. This form was issued after a bayan, which goes like this.......There 3 types of Gunhas Type 1 between Allah and Mumineen, Type 2 Between Haq na saheb and Mumin and Type 3 amongst Mumin. So by giving in writing all your Gunhas, they will be done ARZ in TUS's hazrat and he will forgive all Gunhas. And all these stupid abdes filled the form and rushed to deliver their Gunha ka kaccha chittha.

4. During Sherullah, they asked bohras to stand up one by one and kiss the Vazarat Saifiya (message from Saify Mahal) received in original to get the barakat.

5. Dadhi -- It was announced few months back in Dubai Mosque, that Janab Aamil will not attend any Darees or for that matter will abandon from such darees if a single person is seen without dadhi. It does not stop here, no Taziyat will be given to the family members of a deceased if anyone from the family is missing the dadhi and there will be boycott by all on giving Taziyat to that family.

6. All programs, whether it is TUS news or Burhani Expo or any presentation or whatever, it is relayed on two big projector screen installed in the mosque, thus converting it into a Cinema Theatre.

7. Wajebaat - Once bohras were waiting for paying Wajebaat and all of them were called in a room for a short bayan....and ofcourse, it was none other than this crap- "Je Daulat tamara paase che, Ye Saglu konu che tame jaano cho? Ye saglu aa Moula ye tamne aapelu che, To pachi tame ehne pachu appva ma itlu kem socho cho, Em samjho ke aa to moula ni vastu che aney tame ehni rakhwali karo cho, AA saglu maal mola noj che". If anyone asked this jamia ka ustad to name one of his properties to TUS, what would be his reaction....He might kill him!!

8. Noorani Kaleymah.....almost on every occassion urs majalis there is a Noorani Kaleymah audio video recap episode.

9. Raza - utho to Raza, Betho to Raza, Hago-Pado to Raza......everything is with Raza.

10. A latest trend is....distributing TUS and his Fathers pictures in different forms. So everytime TUS goes anywhere, bingo.....a new picture is born.

11. For all occassions....scan your Ejamaat and you may be a lucky winner in one of the draws.. Last time on TUS's birthday it was for Ziyarat of Mumbai Raudat Tahera

THERE ARE MANY MORE PAAGALPAN EVENTS.


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English translation of the circular signed by then Syedna Saheb's Udaipur Aamil Salman Raseed is as under:=

There is Sawaab of Haj and Umra in coming to Imami court (darbar) of Aqa Maula Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin (TUS). A Mumin who does the deedar of Daiz-Zaman he sees a light of Panjetan, Imams and Dais on his mubarak forehead. He does the Qadambosi (kissing Syedna's feet) he gets more Sawaab then he gets by kissing Hajre-Aswad. Dua mubarak (blessings) of Maula will give you the success of both the world (Deen and Duniya). The Mumin men, women and their children in large numbers should remain present in the court of Huzure-Aala and get Sawaabe-Azeem (greatest Sawaab) and raza of their Lord.

They will get another great Sharaf in doing the Ziyarat in Raudat Tahera in company of Maula Burhanuddin (TUS).
Date: 21/2/96
Note: On Wednesday bus will start from Udaipur . Come to Amil's office and get your name registered by paying the amount.

Abde-Syedna
Salman Raseed

dawedaar
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Re: Dubai Sabeel and recent Scam

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Unread post by dawedaar » Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:55 pm

Watch the German movie 'Downfall' which shows the downfall of Hitler. The Germans had total faith in Hitler and Nazis in spite of his Holocaust and genocide which the Germans approved off. Hitler promised a lot to Germans which was later found to be un-attainable. But what happened later, the Nazis were crushed by the Russians and other allies. Similarly, today Bohras are acting like Germans living in this false world of supremacy believing that their supreme leader will save them no matter what!

think
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Unread post by think » Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:33 pm

save them from what?. It is the other way around. The mumineen have to be saved from muffy mafia.

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Re: Dubai Sabeel and recent Scam

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Unread post by summer123 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:25 pm

As salaam alaikum,

Dubai mai 20 yrs ya above male member ke liye sabeel compulsory hai....Agar sabeel pay nahi ki toh family ke sabhi members ke e-jamaat Id block ho jaate hai. ..Agar ek family mai 4 male members above 20 yrs hai toh sabhi ki sabeel compulsory pay karna hota hai...minimum dhs 552 hai....

Iske alawa agar head of family ki shop hai toh....uski bhi sabeel compulsory hai....business sabeel dhs 1400 to dhs 27000 ya Isse bhi jyada. ...depend karta hai party kaisee hai......iske alawa every majlis ya doosre mikaat par 4 covers dete hai. ....iski wasooli ke liye gate or paas hee goons khade rahte hai. ...Agar koi nahi lekar gayaa ho toh Aise dekhte hai ki jaise koi doosre planet se Banda aa gayaa ho.....

Wajebaat ke liye uae aur gulf countries. ....creamy market hai. ....poore saal hee wajebaat ki takmeem hoti hai. ...shz ali asgar bs sabaq dene ke liye aate rahte hai aur salaam mai sirf gold coins demand karte hai. ....abde bechara jannat ya dikhawe ki lalach mai. ..gold coins se hee salaam karte hai. ...

Ramadan mai khane ke liye line lagtee hai.....Muslims ko aisa lagta hai ki....jaise hum fakeer ho. ...jinke paas khane ke liye kuchh nahi hai. ...toh Aise line lagaa kar khade hai. .....wo achhi nigaah se nahi dekhte. ...dubai mai Ramadan mai zakaat ya sadke ke tor par. ...khana masjido aur bahut saari jagah takseem hota hai. .....

think
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Unread post by think » Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:33 pm

khuda ke lia dubai ke govt. authorities ko complain kare. yeh zulm jo aap logo ke uper ho raha hai yeh parah kar hame bohot afsoos hota hai.yeh aliasgar zada ko mai achi tarah janta hoon. mumineen bhuke hote hain aur yeh fruit kha rahe hote hain.