Police investigating FGM in community

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ozmujaheed
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Police investigating FGM in community

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:12 am

Police from the State sex crime unit are visiting many homes in the last week in Australia delivering formal notices and pamphlets that they are investigating FGM in the Bohra community and living information how to report , the notice reminded it is criminal offense and penalties for breaking the law.

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Unread post by think » Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:44 pm

when will India, Pakistan and Africa learn from Austrailia? These are the places where bohri's practice this heinous ritual in full form and the crooked quacks (bohri women who perform fmg without any knowledge of hygeine ). Its way over due that word spreads to these countries.



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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:30 am

Waiting for a copy of the notice, once ready will try to upload it !



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Unread post by sixfeetunder » Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:18 am

Did anyone read 'Femina' Indian edition dated August 22?

It features a story called 'Circumcised against her will', a story about the forced circumcision of Farida Dariwala.

The media is giving the issue due coverage but to take the matter forward, Bohras need to speak up, if any change is to be brought.



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#5

Unread post by stopfgm » Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:57 am

ozmujaheed i would like this FGM stopped right away. I have been researching in the Sydney jamat for quite a while now i have all the information regarding FGM and who carries out the procedure etc. I am going to go a step further and get these people arrested this is illegal and a mutilation which is done by brainless bohris which have no brain and will cut anything syedna tells them to even the whole female/male genital. I would like to talk through email with you. Also please upload the letter and pamphlets that were sent via mail, please keep us updated.



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Unread post by think » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:52 pm

The hypocrisy of this pracitice is gross. The mother tells the little child"chal dikra tane chocolate peppermint apava lai jai" the innoscent victim trusting her mother is least aware that her private parts would be butchered by a quack bohri women and she will end up bleeding and crying. being deprived of all enjoyment bestowed from Allah for man and women.



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Unread post by stopfgm » Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:23 pm

@think it is very obvious that if burhanuddin tells then to cut their whole genital (Penis,Vagina) they will do so and not question it at all. If our private parts are impure and we don't want our women to feel anything while having intercourse and just use it for urination then there is no use of having those organs, so better off for these abdes to just cut it off and sew it. Anyone agree with me? :wink:



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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:31 pm

Stopfgm please send me a private message via this site.

Sorry I cannot give you my direct contact details.

The notice mentions that people with more information can report To Crime Stoppers 1800 333 000 or call the department on +61-2-8835-7830 if calling from overseas. Callers can remain anonymous . Callers will need to say they are referring to FGM in Dawoodi Bohra Community.

I have Received the scanned copy of the notice from my contact in sydney but after reading it, it is signed by the head of the police investigations , investigating fgm on young female children , and i have asked him to check with the police department and see if they mind I publish it here. It mentions details of the investigations and is very specifically addressed to certain members so do not want to interfere with police actions. If I don't post it then I may have not got their permission. This is a very sophisticated police unit , called the Sex Crimes Squad.

Sex Crimes Squad description of the Internet

Whilst all police have a role in protection of children, clear areas of responsibility have been established for the investigation of child abuse matters. The Sex Crimes Squad and the Joint Investigation Response Squad (JIRS) were established to ensure provision of a specialist adult sexual assault and child protection service to support Local Area Commands across NSW. These services are offered in partnership with Community Services (formerly Department of Community Services), and the Department of Health.

The Sex Crimes Squad Commander is the Corporate Spokesperson for Sex Crimes. The Commander has a key role in focusing Local Area Commands and Regions response to this crime type through State-wide monitoring.

The aim of the Squad is to:
investigate sex crimes that are protracted, complex, serial and serious in nature.
identify crime trends, and develop Operational Strategies, Programs and Policies.
maintain the Child Protection Register in accordance with Legislative and Policy requirements.
provide consultancy in local investigations if necessary.



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#9

Unread post by ozmujaheed » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:13 am

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/four-charged- ... 25ubq.html

People are being charged. Investigations are ramping up very rapidly.




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Unread post by stopfgm » Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:09 am

This is definitely our victory ozmujaheed :D :D :D :D i cant show how happy i am today! please PM with further details ASAP with information including names of the 2 girls and the mother.



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Unread post by stopfgm » Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:32 am

ozmujaheed can you please give me a way to contact police crime squad to give further information regarding FGM in Sydney Dawoodi Bohra Community. The method of contacting should be online and anonymous. Please send me a link or details soon.



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#13

Unread post by ozmujaheed » Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:20 pm

Media running wild !

Now headline news in the daily telegraph and editorials running.



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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:03 am

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/o ... 6473719363

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-14/f ... ection=nsw

Radio stations across Australia has got it on air.

This is a sad day for all bohras. But the blame solely is with the leadership for not preparing us better . How could they have thought that they could go on forever arrogantly ignoring that they cannot flaunt laws whether it be this , money, suppression. Unfortunately they have no public statement, no guidance complete silence.



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Unread post by stopfgm » Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:25 am

ozmujaheed there are more people involved in the Sydney community and need to be arrested ASAP. There needs to be further investigation as there is only one case that has been caught by the Police which i understood as a far more intelligent unit. There have been many cases undetected in the Sydney Bohri community this case is not the only one.



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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:04 am

Stopfgm please read your private message.

Get in touch with me immediately or contact the authorities. They need your information to make progress.



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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:53 pm

Broader Islamic community distances itself from Bohras

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/s ... 6474484560

Still no support or announcement from Mansoos if his Amil Saheb is in trouble!



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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:51 pm

Stopfgm please continue to look at your private email regularly. Hang in there , do not loose hope or patience.



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Unread post by stopfgm » Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:47 pm

Does muffy know about this yet? I mean this is a serious news that have been broadcasted over the world. And why isn't syednas name included in the news anywhere? which makes me sad that the person who promotes it to be done hasn't been exposed yet!? If the Police don't know yet, please do let them know that all these practices are directly linked to muffy and his father. The day all this will stop is when muffy and his father will be in jail. Remember my words



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#20

Unread post by MM Bukhari » Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:12 am

what is wrong with fgm?

even sunnis practices it.



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#21

Unread post by MM Bukhari » Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:14 am

btw what could be benefit of kothar for practicing fgm? apart that its a sunnah and they are just trying to protect it?



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Unread post by stopfgm » Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:39 am

MM Bukhari you are a brainwashed animal. Think about this, if Allah gave you ears, hands or legs he gave them all for a reason right? Then why would he tell you to cut them off? This is the same as FGM, if you have read the Quran tell me one place in the Quran that it is written to do circumcision of a female?

Read this

2) Allah tells us that He has created human beings perfectly:
In numerous Verses of the Qur'an, Allah tells us that He has created everything, including human beings, in the most perfect form. In the following verse, Allah explicitly states this with regards to the human creation:

"We have indeed created man in the 'best of moulds'." (Qur'an 95:4)
This means when a baby leaves the mother's womb, he or she is in the most perfect of shape down to the finest detail. Nothing needs alteration. With regards to the development of the baby, Allah states the following:

"Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the 'Best of all Creators!' " (Qur'an 23:14)

Notice that Allah states that He is the best creator - the resulting completed creation of the baby is thus in its optimal form.
In another verse, Allah states:
"The work of Allah who has 'perfected everything' (He created)." (Qur'an 27:88)

Also in two other Verses, in relation to human beings, Allah says the following:
"The One Who has 'perfected everything' He has created and began the creation of human beings from clay" (Qur'an 32:7)
"Allah is the One who made the Earth a habitat for you, and the sky as a structure, and He designed you, and has perfected your design. " (Qur'an 40:64)
"Allah created the heavens and the Earth for a true purpose, He designed you, and has perfected your design. You will all return to Him." (Qur'an 64:3)

Closer look at 32:7

الَّذِي أَحْسَنَ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ خَلَقَهُ وَبَدَأَ خَلْقَ الإِنْسَانِ مِنْ طِينٍ

"The One who has PERFECTED EVERYTHING HE HAS CREATED and began the creation of mankind from clay" (32:7)

In this verse Allah states He has أَحْسَنَ everything He made. The word originating from حَسَن (good) is in superlative form, when applied in this manner, it means the infinitely highest form of حَسَن. Thus, the translation is "PERFECTED" everything (the same goes for 40:64). "Everything", translation of كُلَّ شَيْءٍ means EVERYTHING Allah has made, stars, moon, plants, animals, the human being. Thus the male genitalia is perfected by Allah.

40:64 is in direct reference to human beings ("perfected your [i.e. human kind's] design").



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Unread post by MM Bukhari » Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:42 am

stopfgm wrote:MM Bukhari you are a brainwashed animal. Think about this, if Allah gave you ears, hands or legs he gave them all for a reason right? Then why would he tell you to cut them off? This is the same as FGM, if you have read the Quran tell me one place in the Quran that it is written to do circumcision of a female?
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according to ur logic

why did Allah asked Ibrahim to do male circumcision?



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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:20 am

MMB the point in the Australia case is not whether it is religious or cultural...it is illegal full stop. Don't break the law.

Mmb Quran does not explcitely state FGM is required. Anyway other threads have discussed this point.

I support the cause that FGM on a child is a crime.



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:42 pm

MM Bukhari wrote: why did Allah asked Ibrahim to do male circumcision?
One can even ask as to why do we shave the hair near our private parts ? Or why do we trim the moustache ? After all Allah (swt) has made the human body in a perfect form and hair is part of it, isnt it ? Hence broadly speaking we need to use commonsense and analyse issues based on the lifestyle and sayings of Prophet (s.a.w.). If Prophet (s.a.w.) insisted on female FGM the way he recommended male FGM then muslims are bound to obey his commands but the very issue and authenticity of female FGM is highly controversial and doesnt appeal to any right minded person.

There are scores of modern literature which mentions various benefits in case of male FGM but the same is not the case when it comes to female FGM. Islam, as revealed by Prophet (s.a.w.) is the last and final religion of Allah (swt) hence it is the most modern religion which is widely based on scientific and medicinal benefits and one can see no benefits in the case of female FGM.



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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:57 pm

stopfgm wrote:Does muffy know about this yet? I mean this is a serious news that have been broadcasted over the world. And why isn't syednas name included in the news anywhere? which makes me sad that the person who promotes it to be done hasn't been exposed yet!? If the Police don't know yet, please do let them know that all these practices are directly linked to muffy and his father. The day all this will stop is when muffy and his father will be in jail. Remember my words
Australia abdes familiar with refunds should ask for wajebat refunds.

Still no support for Australia mummineen .

I checked overseas, no khatams, no Karze hassan being collected.Aust abdes are hurt that no moral support is coming through from mansoos. He dare sends any najwa request again?

But when kothar have trouble abdes go in middle of night to watch silly satellite transmissions.

People are already murmurring saying So when we are in trouble where is he still feasting , and please do not send bs dua Che and sabr karjo lip service.

Put your zadas on the plane that uae prince will release and your dignitaries to work. I mean the president of Tanzania or Modi should call the aus politicians, the zada should go with a copy of the photo they took together with bashir Asad and say how important bohras are ! If all fails the Shikari Mansoos wearing the lion skin arrive or send live message !

But may be manssoos must be shouting instructions to zadas that a australia gham be apna wajebaat collection mathi be gaya. Challo nano gam hatho, Canada UK , Us to haji hath Ma che ? Have bhai dhyan rakho kale Canada police commissioner sathe bethak rakho, najwa tayar Che....



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Unread post by MM Bukhari » Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:39 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
MM Bukhari wrote: why did Allah asked Ibrahim to do male circumcision?
One can even ask as to why do we shave the hair near our private parts ? Or why do we trim the moustache ? After all Allah (swt) has made the human body in a perfect form and hair is part of it, isnt it ? Hence broadly speaking we need to use commonsense and analyse issues based on the lifestyle and sayings of Prophet (s.a.w.). If Prophet (s.a.w.) insisted on female FGM the way he recommended male FGM then muslims are bound to obey his commands but the very issue and authenticity of female FGM is highly controversial and doesnt appeal to any right minded person.

There are scores of modern literature which mentions various benefits in case of male FGM but the same is not the case when it comes to female FGM. Islam, as revealed by Prophet (s.a.w.) is the last and final religion of Allah (swt) hence it is the most modern religion which is widely based on scientific and medicinal benefits and one can see no benefits in the case of female FGM.
who u are?

and on what authority u declare FGM has no benefits?



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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:36 am

Mmb whose authority do you have to justify the criminal activity ?



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:13 pm

MM Bukhari wrote: who u are?
and on what authority u declare FGM has no benefits?
Iam just an ordinary practising muslim like you and dont claim to be a scholar or an authority on female FGM. I have expressed my views which concurs with many on this forum. In case you feel otherwise and have evidence to prove multiple benefits of female FGM then please quote the same for the benefit of viewers.



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Unread post by pheonix » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:22 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
MM Bukhari wrote: why did Allah asked Ibrahim to do male circumcision?
One can even ask as to why do we shave the hair near our private parts ? Or why do we trim the moustache ? After all Allah (swt) has made the human body in a perfect form and hair is part of it, isnt it ? Hence broadly speaking we need to use commonsense and analyse issues based on the lifestyle and sayings of Prophet (s.a.w.). If Prophet (s.a.w.) insisted on female FGM the way he recommended male FGM then muslims are bound to obey his commands but the very issue and authenticity of female FGM is highly controversial and doesnt appeal to any right minded person.

There are scores of modern literature which mentions various benefits in case of male FGM but the same is not the case when it comes to female FGM. Islam, as revealed by Prophet (s.a.w.) is the last and final religion of Allah (swt) hence it is the most modern religion which is widely based on scientific and medicinal benefits and one can see no benefits in the case of female FGM.
And what the heck is male FGM :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Idiot