Police investigating FGM in community

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Re: Police investigating FGM in community

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:28 pm

EVEN BBC NEWS CHANNEL EXPRESSES DOUBTS OVER THE ISIS FGM FATWAS.

Doubts grow over Isis 'FGM edict' in Iraq

Doubts are growing about the authenticity of an edict attributed to the Sunni Islamist group Isis controlling the Iraqi city of Mosul about female genital mutilation (FGM).

A top UN official quoted from a statement saying that Isis wanted all females aged between 11 and 46 in the northern city to undergo the procedure.

Jacqueline Badcock said the decree was of grave concern.

But media analysts say the decree seen on social media may be a fake.

It has typos and language mistakes and is signed by "The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant", a name the group no longer uses, instead referring to itself as the Islamic State.

Some bloggers suggest that the alleged fatwa, which has been circulated on social media for about two days, may have been aimed at discrediting Isis.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28466434



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Unread post by Ozdundee » Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:25 pm

Women still struggling for their rights



http://newsroom.macleay.net/womens-rights-worldwide/
Australians who thought they didn’t need to be concerned by “third world problems” would have been shaken earlier this year when a group of western Sydney residents were charged with soliciting and performing acts of genital mutilation.

Non-medical practitioners, such as traditional circumcisers, typically perform the procedure. The majority of countries practising FGM have prohibited it but the laws are inadequately forced.

FGM can cause infections, infertility and childbirth complications, and there are 140 million females worldwide living with the consequences today.

Even though the practice has been damned as “a violation of a girl’s rights to health, well-being and self-determination” by deputy executive director of UNICEF Geeta Rao Gupta and other leading international and national figures, FGM continues and has even occurred in Australia.

Three members of the Dawoodi Bohra Muslim Community – a Shi’a Muslim priest, a mother and a retired nurse – were charged in NSW in 2012 with female genital mutilation. Two girls aged six and seven were circumcised in a Sydney home by the accused. The nurse and mother have not yet given any statements on the charge or provided the court with evidence in their defence. Sheikh Shabbir Vaziri faces charges of hindering a police investigation and acting as an accessory after the fact.



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#153

Unread post by qutbiranglaya » Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:12 am

FGM case in Australia has reached higher court of NSW and the hearing is on 3 October 2014.
Sydney Amil and the nurse are in deep trouble. The case has been on going from September 2014
and everybody in Australia is worried as to who is bank rolling this expensive court proceedings.
I am told Dawate Hadiyah Trust UK is financing the costs.
People in Sydney hope that these two are jailed and Amil deported after completing his jail term.
Let us see.



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Unread post by Ozdundee » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:53 pm

QRL , who ever is bank rolling the High Court case will mean more expensive criminal lawyers and more experienced state prosecutors

Bank rolling , £30 million in dawat e hadiya may come handy

Timing wise what a coincidence that while Australia is in daily media bombardment about terror and Islamic extremism , society and media will pounce on this again. Fuel to fire.

UNICEF is also aware of the case where the bohra case was mentioned and brand dawoodi is now famous globally as FGM.

Recently the media in Mumbai published in their article that they avoided fgm in the survey , that is sufficient signal to society that Bohra do not want to self abolish , so people externally cannot just watch on.

This is greater than the political or succession reforms that PDB or Qutbi are fighting for , this is systematic child sex abuse carried out under institutionalised ideology call bohra ism . Once physical abuse is solved them only we can mature to other forms of mental and communal abuse. It is also a sign of how shallow our feelings are if we ignore the plight of a child and our own women are happy to focus on roti making and men only focus in so called abuse of the money and pocket.

A child who we systematically abuse is not yet a Bohra or make her own judgement ,in western society it is the law that steps in to protects her from her parents and priests.

All these incidences and discussion are useless if some bohra girl somewhere right now is being prepared for fgm , like polio until the last child is free we can not claim mission accomplished.



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#155

Unread post by WiththenameofAllah » Sat Sep 27, 2014 2:13 am

Life of a bohra girl is already doomed. Since birth she is a victim of FMG , some cruelty done to her when she is innocent enough to not even understand this. Education is not her right she is kept busy in masjid or outside masjid only flaunting in her beautiful ridas. If she even dares to think she is excommunicated. She cannot say a word against mola. Our community is a prison , a prison where you cannot think, thinking is not for dawoodi bohras. If she gets engaged she is made to do haram things and there is no body to stop that. And the leader is sleeping ! I wonder he is ghaib na jankar why he does not see these ills that are happening in the community?
Isn't it ironical that most of the individuals on this forum are men ? women as she stays home and spend more time with the children is responsible for enriching the children with the islamic disciplines and virtues.But sadly dawoodi bohra religion is only limited to the dai and dai made disciplines .



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Unread post by chocoman » Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:12 am

So what's the verdict for the court hearing held in 3rd of oct



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#157

Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:06 pm

Even the Shafi school of thought advocates FGM :

http://www.shafiifiqh.com/what-is-the-r ... for-women/
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Unread post by Ozdundee » Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:36 pm

as the media will archive the story a copy

First female genital mutilation case to go to trial in NSW Supreme Court

Louise Hall
Published: December 9, 2014 - 3:01PM

An elderly woman has pleaded not guilty to performing female genital mutilation on two young sisters.

The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, will stand trial next year alongside the girls' mother and a man.

Chief Justice Tom Bathurst has allowed the case to be heard in the Supreme Court as it is the first time in NSW - and possibly Australia - that a person or people have been prosecuted for such an offence.

On Tuesday, senior Crown prosecutor Mark Tedeschi, QC, said the case would tackle a number of "significant legal issues" including the scope of female genital mutilation covered under the Crimes Act. The maximum penalty is 21 years' jail.

The woman is charged with mutilating the clitoris of a young girl between October 18, 2010 and October 20, 2011 at Wollongong.

She is also charged with mutilating the clitoris of that victim's younger sister between January 1, 2012 and August 29, 2012 at Baulkham Hills.

She is also charged in the alternative with two counts of assault occasioning actual bodily harm in company.

Using a walking stick for support, the woman entered pleas of not guilty to all four charges.

She has previously been described by police as a retired nurse.

Mr Tedeschi said there was a question as to the girls' competency to give evidence during the trial.

He said a solicitor representing the girls had indicated there would be an application to allow them to avoid taking the stand.

The girls are now aged about 10 and 8.

Mr Tedeschi said the case would rely on medical evidence, evidence from the girls as well as telephone intercepts.

While the Crown is no longer pursuing charges against the girls' father, Mr Tedeschi alleged he was recorded having conversations about the practice.

"He [the father] has been taped having some phone discussion in which he acknowledges female genital mutilation has occurred."

During the intercepted conversations, it is alleged the word "khatna" was used.

"I would anticipate some dispute between what that term means and what that term involves," Mr Tedeschi said.

Female genital mutilation, sometimes called female circumcision, includes procedures that intentionally alter, remove or cause injury to female genitals for non-medical reasons.

It has no health benefits and can cause severe problems including problems urinating, infertility and complications in childbirth.

It is recognised internationally as a violation of human rights. However, it still occurs, mostly in Africa and the Middle East.

The trial is scheduled for August next year.

This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/first-female- ... 237h7.html



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Unread post by Ozdundee » Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:38 pm

NSW launches zero tolerance blitz on female genital mutilation
Minister for Citizenship and Communities Victor Dominello, said the campaign was focused on breaking down the silence that existed around the practice within migrant communities but wasn't targeted at any particular group.

Listen to Peggy Giakoumelos speaking with Minister for Citizenship and Communities Victor Dominello


"I don't want to name any community over another but if any group or any sub-set, or any element of society thinks it's appropriate, well then think again, because it's not and that's why we've increase the laws around it."

Early in 2014, the NSW Government increased the maximum sentence for people convicted of performing FGM from seven to 21 years.

“If you are engaged in the practice of FGM you can expect to get a maximum penalty of up to 21 years imprisonment.”

“This barbaric ritual .. is just not acceptable, it is just not tolerable in our society.”

“We need to make sure that people that come to our country, or people that have been in our country, or people that think it is one of those things you can import, should think again.”

The government also made it an offence to remove someone from the state with the purpose of performing FGM.

The awareness campaign will be implemented by NSW Health's Education Program on FGM with the aim of educating communities about the practice as well as encouraging girls and women who are affected to seek help.

Minister Dominello said everyone, including men, were being targeted in the campaign, which will commence in 2015.

"Whether it's men women, practitioners, we are targeting young girls who may be subjected to it, they still have a chance of expressing a voice. We're reaching out to them, saying 'listen this is wrong. You don't need to be subjected to this. If you need help there is a hotline here."



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Unread post by Ozdundee » Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:40 am

Letters Patent

ELIZABETH THE SECOND, by the Grace of God Queen of Australia and Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth:

TO

The Honourable Justice Peter David McClellan AM,
Mr Robert Atkinson,
The Honourable Justice Jennifer Ann Coate,
Mr Robert William Fitzgerald AM,
Dr Helen Mary Milroy, and
Mr Andrew James Marshall Murray

GREETING

WHEREAS all children deserve a safe and happy childhood.

AND Australia has undertaken international obligations to take all appropriate legislative, administrative, social and educational measures to protect children from sexual abuse and other forms of abuse, including measures for the prevention, identification, reporting, referral, investigation, treatment and follow up of incidents of child abuse.

AND all forms of child sexual abuse are a gross violation of a child’s right to this protection and a crime under Australian law and may be accompanied by other unlawful or improper treatment of children, including physical assault, exploitation, deprivation and neglect.

AND child sexual abuse and other related unlawful or improper treatment of children have a long-term cost to individuals, the economy and society.

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a. what institutions and governments should do to better protect children against child sexual abuse and related matters in institutional contexts in the future;

b. what institutions and governments should do to achieve best practice in encouraging the reporting of, and responding to reports or information about, allegations, incidents or risks of child sexual abuse and related matters in institutional contexts;

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AND We appoint you, the Honourable Justice Peter David McClellan AM, to be the Chair of the Commission.

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AND We declare that in these Our Letters Patent:
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related matters means any unlawful or improper treatment of children that is, either generally or in any particular instance, connected or associated with child sexual abuse.

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ELIZABETH THE SECOND, by the Grace of God Queen of Australia and Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth:

TO

The Honourable Justice Peter David McClellan AM,
Mr Robert Atkinson,
The Honourable Justice Jennifer Ann Coate,
Mr Robert William Fitzgerald AM,
Dr Helen Mary Milroy, and
Mr Andrew James Marshall Murray

GREETING

WHEREAS We, by Our Letters Patent issued in Our name by Our Governor-General of the Commonwealth of Australia, appointed you to be a Commission of inquiry, required and authorized you to inquire into certain matters, and required you to submit to Our Governor-General a report of the results of your inquiry, and your recommendations, not later than 31 December 2015.

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Dated 13 November 2014
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#162

Unread post by qutbiranglaya » Fri Feb 06, 2015 7:03 am

Good work OD bhai,
Keep the fire burning. These people need to be brought to justice.



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Unread post by Ozdundee » Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:27 am

qutbiranglaya wrote:Good work OD bhai,
Keep the fire burning. These people need to be brought to justice.
Bhai QRL I am only relaying messages from here and there for general readership, people may misunderstand my involvement by your comments , please pardon my need for clarification and establish a realism.

the complements should be more directed to those who are not related to our children but are expending overtime and resources to sincerely protect them from abuse, abuse from those we would normly assume to be biological or society gauradians and protectors . what I perceive they willl leave no stone unturned . They are doing a thankless job !

sad reality and pity that our own Champions of freedom, justice or upliftment whether it be PDB , reformists , SKQ or SMS have yet to overcome their ignorance, neglect silence and see the moral side of this pathetic ritual and lead the change . let us see if they Show the same zeal and pomp that they have for other less or superficially intrusive social matters .

I am encouraged by your and handful of keen supporters that the David vs Goliath battle is possible and we remain motivated and hopefull. we do what we can . it is long and techerous journey don't dispair

while we write this and comment a bohra girl some where is being booked or undergoing fgm. the statistics are staggering ,out of 500,000 bohra women, of which 7,000 - 10000 are in annual age group across the world were they may undergo fgm. that is a stagerring 150 girls per week who have their genitalia shredded without their consent or being a child cannot fight back all because of weak doctrine .



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:52 pm

“I have heard about the online campaign but Bohra women should understand that our religion advocates the procedure and they should follow it without any argument".

– Qureshi Raghib, Dawoodi Bohra community spokesperson


Need to Criminalise FGM

In light of recent judgements of the court, I am inclined to argue there is an incredibly strong case for legal intervention.

Article 25 guarantees every citizen the fundamental right to preach, practice and profess one’s religious beliefs. In Javed vs State of Haryana (2003) and in Khurshed Ahmed Khan vs State of UP (2015), the court ruled that “what was protected under Article 25 was the religious faith and not a practice which may run counter to public order, health or morality”. It was also observed “that a practice did not acquire sanction of religion simply because it was permitted”.

These lead me to the firm belief that FGM clearly fails on all counts and must go. Syedna Burhanuddin passed away in January 2014 and a bitter succession battle has ensued between Mufaddal Saifuddin and Khuzaima Qutbuddin for leadership of the Dawoodi Bohras, including litigation. While the two battle it out, may I plead that our courts intervene sua sponte/suo motu and criminalise FGM immediately.

http://www.thequint.com/2015/apr/07/fem ... ept-secret



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Unread post by dawedaar » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:50 pm

Though the issue is debatable, one of the comment on that page by an abde is spot on. Here is the comment..

"The writer's motive is not clear, showing beautiful pictures of marriages and then pointing to a topic without proper study on it, saying serious health risk, but what. Physical and psychological ramifications, but what! This article seems to be hypocrisy by saying there's a battle for leadership, which not a fact, and then connecting it to the topic, as the advantage is to be taken of such situation, if any. This kind of articles shall be well scrutinised before publication under the light of religion. Tomorrow they might question male circumcision as that also is not mentioned in religious scripture!"

The article is not written in a professional manner and has a lot of shortcomings. Showing those pictures is a bad thing to do! Mentioning the leadership battle was another bad point to include in this article!
ghulam muhammed wrote:“I have heard about the online campaign but Bohra women should understand that our religion advocates the procedure and they should follow it without any argument".

– Qureshi Raghib, Dawoodi Bohra community spokesperson


Need to Criminalise FGM

In light of recent judgements of the court, I am inclined to argue there is an incredibly strong case for legal intervention.

Article 25 guarantees every citizen the fundamental right to preach, practice and profess one’s religious beliefs. In Javed vs State of Haryana (2003) and in Khurshed Ahmed Khan vs State of UP (2015), the court ruled that “what was protected under Article 25 was the religious faith and not a practice which may run counter to public order, health or morality”. It was also observed “that a practice did not acquire sanction of religion simply because it was permitted”.

These lead me to the firm belief that FGM clearly fails on all counts and must go. Syedna Burhanuddin passed away in January 2014 and a bitter succession battle has ensued between Mufaddal Saifuddin and Khuzaima Qutbuddin for leadership of the Dawoodi Bohras, including litigation. While the two battle it out, may I plead that our courts intervene sua sponte/suo motu and criminalise FGM immediately.

http://www.thequint.com/2015/apr/07/fem ... ept-secret



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Unread post by dawedaar » Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:27 am

An amte's comment on the article (link posted by GM)

I second that Yusuf! The motive of the entire article does not seem to be FGM as it deviates to a totally unrelated topic of leadership issues. Anyways, I wish people educated themselves well before writing on such delicate issues, ramifying it and in turn hurting religious sentiments. For those who are unaware of how female circumcision is done in our community, I would like to shed some light on it and then go on to the benefits of the same: The term barbaric is too harsh for it. First of all, the entire clitoris in not cut or injured. (That happens within a few African Tribes.) What exactly happens in the Dawoodi Bohra community: • The prepuce which is a very thin covering on the clitoris is removed...prepuce is similar to the covering on the head of a penis. (the same is removed during circumcision in men...hope people are aware of benefits of circumcision in men) • This is done at a very tender age so there is minimal pain or no pain at all. • Remember, when medical was not as advanced as today...even child birth was done at home by mid-wives...similarly...decades a ago circumcision was done at home....now it is done by gynaecologists and under safe medical conditions... Coming to the benefits of circumcision in females: • It does not kill the sexual desire or pleasure...in fact a woman attains orgasm much faster as compared to the females who have the prepuce attached. • The prepuce lengthens the time that a woman takes to reach orgasm...the male sometimes in unable to keep the erection for so long...in turn woman remains discontented...resulting in psychological issues!! • The removal of prepuce  prevents unpleasant odours...  reduces incidence of urinary tract infections...  many a times it rules out incidence of infections of the reproductive system all of which result from foul secretions beneath the prepuce... I think the above should be enough for now...for more information read book published on traditions of Islam by the world health organization in 1979.  I apologize for hurting any person’s sentiments!!



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#167

Unread post by againstfgm » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:46 pm

At least the media is picking up on this. Shame on the woman who says FGM is good for you.



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:12 pm

dawedaar wrote:Though the issue is debatable, one of the comment on that page by an abde is spot on. Here is the comment..

"The writer's motive is not clear, showing beautiful pictures of marriages and then pointing to a topic without proper study on it, saying serious health risk, but what. Physical and psychological ramifications, but what! This article seems to be hypocrisy by saying there's a battle for leadership, which not a fact, and then connecting it to the topic, as the advantage is to be taken of such situation, if any. This kind of articles shall be well scrutinised before publication under the light of religion. Tomorrow they might question male circumcision as that also is not mentioned in religious scripture!"

The article is not written in a professional manner and has a lot of shortcomings. Showing those pictures is a bad thing to do! Mentioning the leadership battle was another bad point to include in this article!
ghulam muhammed wrote:“I have heard about the online campaign but Bohra women should understand that our religion advocates the procedure and they should follow it without any argument".

– Qureshi Raghib, Dawoodi Bohra community spokesperson


Need to Criminalise FGM

In light of recent judgements of the court, I am inclined to argue there is an incredibly strong case for legal intervention.

Article 25 guarantees every citizen the fundamental right to preach, practice and profess one’s religious beliefs. In Javed vs State of Haryana (2003) and in Khurshed Ahmed Khan vs State of UP (2015), the court ruled that “what was protected under Article 25 was the religious faith and not a practice which may run counter to public order, health or morality”. It was also observed “that a practice did not acquire sanction of religion simply because it was permitted”.

These lead me to the firm belief that FGM clearly fails on all counts and must go. Syedna Burhanuddin passed away in January 2014 and a bitter succession battle has ensued between Mufaddal Saifuddin and Khuzaima Qutbuddin for leadership of the Dawoodi Bohras, including litigation. While the two battle it out, may I plead that our courts intervene sua sponte/suo motu and criminalise FGM immediately.

http://www.thequint.com/2015/apr/07/fem ... ept-secret
The abde has rightly pointed out some flaws in the article as the writer has gone a bit overboard by unnecessarily dragging the issue of succession but at the same time he has raised some valid points with regard to FGM and readers should look at the larger picture of the menace carried out in the garb of religion rather then crib over an issue which has no relevance to the subject matter.



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Unread post by dawedaar » Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:16 am

Yes, but you can't write about such sensitive and religious issues without due diligence, proper study, facts, editing etc. This article is flawed from the word go. Do u think blind abdes to accept or even acknowledge that something is wrong with FGM when u mix leadership issues within this article!

ghulam muhammed wrote:
dawedaar wrote:Though the issue is debatable, one of the comment on that page by an abde is spot on. Here is the comment..

"The writer's motive is not clear, showing beautiful pictures of marriages and then pointing to a topic without proper study on it, saying serious health risk, but what. Physical and psychological ramifications, but what! This article seems to be hypocrisy by saying there's a battle for leadership, which not a fact, and then connecting it to the topic, as the advantage is to be taken of such situation, if any. This kind of articles shall be well scrutinised before publication under the light of religion. Tomorrow they might question male circumcision as that also is not mentioned in religious scripture!"

The article is not written in a professional manner and has a lot of shortcomings. Showing those pictures is a bad thing to do! Mentioning the leadership battle was another bad point to include in this article!
The abde has rightly pointed out some flaws in the article as the writer has gone a bit overboard by unnecessarily dragging the issue of succession but at the same time he has raised some valid points with regard to FGM and readers should look at the larger picture of the menace carried out in the garb of religion rather then crib over an issue which has no relevance to the subject matter.



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:03 pm

Female Genital Mutilation among Bohra Muslims - A report

http://worldmuslimcongress.blogspot.in/ ... bohra.html



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Unread post by saminaben » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:00 am

The proponents of this practice in our Bohra community is "We the Women".
Here is the line of thinkin among the ordinary modern Bohra woman: "I went through this as a child. It was scary and shocking. I survived. It was over on a few days. All my sisters aunties, mother grandmothers have gone through this - this is part of my heritage. It's part of my identity. My sex life is normal. I have an obligation to my daughters to continue this heritage"

Rarely have I encountered male members among my family, friends or the community to speak about it, leave aside advocate it. Women are supported OR more accurately held accountable with other women (in their family) for continuing this criminal practice of FGM.

I personally know of women who refused to have their daughters go through this, and they were humiliated, pressured and ostracized to no end, and after a few years, the female relatives forget about it and leave the Mother alone . Also, there are other women I know who did Not have their daughters subject to this FGM, and No one in the family or the community interfered. No big deal.

Young Bohra girls who have escaped this FGM practice - due to their rational thinking mothers are becoming aware of thier narrow escape from this atrocity against their innocence. And they should start speaking up and speaking out.

So if you are a woman with a daughter, just say No and protect your daughter from interfering relatives, and keep her under your protection from visits to relatives who may take matters in their own hands without your permission, and subject your daughter to this crime, in the name of "heritage" or " religion".



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Unread post by SBM » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:21 am

Saminaben
While I agree with you that women can play a bigger part but men as FATHER should take a strong stand with their wives and mothers against this practice. At some point MEN have to show their responsibilities t00



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Unread post by saminaben » Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:42 pm

I think the men are sissys, when it comes to their wives and mothers - fathers and brothers, uncles and husbands have simply laid back and shown a policy of non-alignment for FGM.
While I agree men take an active role, the revolt will need to undercut the power of social influence that women exert over women. I also think it's the generation of younger women, new mothers, new dads too, regardless of their personal experience with FGM, who are going to have to take a stand, quietly and firmly, about their daughters, nieces, sisters, etc.

I don't think FGM has ever been preached from the Takhat, or any public Bataan, but I may be mistaken.



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Unread post by SBM » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:27 pm

I don't think FGM has ever been preached from the Takhat, or any public Bataan, but I may be mistaken
Our local Aaamil has preached that during his Bayan and even asked us to do the same for our daughter and even asked us to change her name. Luckily my wife took a very strong position and told Aamil's wife in no uncertain term that both of these propositions were NON NEGOTIABLE.



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Unread post by Ozdundee » Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:21 am

I have listened with my own ears a relayshown worldwide of a very old replay looked like vaaz in an African city , last Moharam, SMB instructing parents the requirements of children's upbringing . he used the word khafs for a 6-7 year old daughter instead of the word khatna .

i heard first hand from my relative who attends Bensahebs sabaqs , they were taught fgm is sunat, it is also claimed it is part of our kitabs and shariat.

a non bohra girl who was marrying a bohra boy was asked by jamaat that the girl needs to get fgm done before nikah is performed.

there are dozens and dozens of evidences of victims, details of who performs, which bensaheb said what, which city, country ...so many reports are coming via this site , it goes on and on. Police and medical authorities worldwide are recording which women are showing sighs of fgm.next time a woman goes to a in certain country the gynecologist , they are mandated to make a note. ..stats are being collected.. schools have been advised to detect signs of fgm cases

please don't even try to protect the clergy, the way the Catholic clergy are guilty of child abuse, so are our clergy. it is matter of time before the highest office holder is brought to justice it is only then out of fear the sayedna will be forced to discourage the practise

men. Being sissy disappointing remark . ..Please there are so many ,and I know bohra men doctors worldwide , in law enforcement done their part discretely , who have publicly denounced this practise, and are working behind the scenes protecting women , protecting victims , supporting witnesses etc.

this is no longer a reformist or bohra issue , it is a child abuse matter and a crime. it is partly because of Bohra case and publicity the UN was somehow involved to support it , international governments are involved, laws were enhanced ...multi 100s of million dollar programs are in place to address the fgm

it is a matter of time other cases are reported by victims and parents dragged to courts ...I give it 10 years .

hopefully the world is a safer place for a girl child....

now can we guarantee change overnight? no but the message is loud and clear. ..fgm culprits will be punished very severely when they are caught....how many times can one jump the traffic signal before getting caught !



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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:34 pm

Can art help curb female genital mutilation?

Hibo Wardere underwent female genital mutilation aged six but now she's campaigning against it in her London borough with a little help from an amazing local artist.

The idea is to raise awareness about FGM – 66,000 women and girl are currently living with its consequences in the UK .

There were no words for what happened. I remember screaming so hard. Screams like that don’t exist in the world. The pain was the worst. You can’t breathe through it. You feel you’re going to drown any minute.

Wardere was subjected to type three FGM where the clitoris and vaginal lips are removed along with vaginal tissue, and then sewn up. Her waist was mummified for 12 days, and to this day she still experiences severe pains and can not orgasm.

Wardere has seven children – she had birthing complications for all of them because of the FGM – but has vowed to keep her three daughters safe. Her husband supports her.

“The only way I can compare FGM after it's been done is like when an earthquake happens and follows the tsunami. For me the tsunami was my emotions which I was drowning in and no one to help me swim through it.

“Imagine telling your husband that you cannot feel anything when you are making love, because that has been taken away from you. You don't have a connection to your own part of your body because they ripped your clitoris. Imagine been told that you can't have children because of damage they have done to your reproductive organs.

“You also suffer with constant infections, more than the normal woman because they have cut off completely your vaginal lips that protect from germs entering you. It's like your eye lids being ripped off and you suffer with dryness too. Imagine even after 10 years of being with your partner you still experience pain when you are love-making.

FULL ARTICLE :-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens ... ation.html



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Unread post by zinger » Sun Jun 14, 2015 11:42 pm

SBM wrote:Saminaben
While I agree with you that women can play a bigger part but men as FATHER should take a strong stand with their wives and mothers against this practice. At some point MEN have to show their responsibilities t00
yes, i completely agree with you and second what you say



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Unread post by zinger » Sun Jun 14, 2015 11:42 pm

saminaben wrote:I think the men are sissys, when it comes to their wives and mothers - fathers and brothers, uncles and husbands have simply laid back and shown a policy of non-alignment for FGM.
While I agree men take an active role, the revolt will need to undercut the power of social influence that women exert over women. I also think it's the generation of younger women, new mothers, new dads too, regardless of their personal experience with FGM, who are going to have to take a stand, quietly and firmly, about their daughters, nieces, sisters, etc.

I don't think FGM has ever been preached from the Takhat, or any public Bataan, but I may be mistaken.
i beg to differ. not all men are sissies. i know i was not!



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Unread post by alam » Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:21 am

Bro zinger, are you saying you were not s sissy when it came to FGM in your family or daughters? Hmm. Wow! Nice going Zinger bro!

I too agree there are exceptions to any namecalling - not all men are sissys when it comes to FGM. But perhaps bohra men don't talk to other Bohra men - in real life ( outside of this forum) regarding the topic of FGM as criminal or as child abuse, as Oz correctly coined it. If they opposed it secretly within their own families, well then, it's a good first step. . .



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Unread post by zinger » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:19 am

alam wrote:Bro zinger, are you saying you were not s sissy when it came to FGM in your family or daughters? Hmm. Wow! Nice going Zinger bro!

I too agree there are exceptions to any namecalling - not all men are sissys when it comes to FGM. But perhaps bohra men don't talk to other Bohra men - in real life ( outside of this forum) regarding the topic of FGM as criminal or as child abuse, as Oz correctly coined it. If they opposed it secretly within their own families, well then, it's a good first step. . .
yes bhai alam, i am saying that i was not a sissy when it came to FGM with an in incident in my family