Canada Mississauga Jamaat

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Bori85
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Canada Mississauga Jamaat

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Unread post by Bori85 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:09 am

I have heard from some sources that the previous Aamil , Janab Athari , who was thrown out from here and sent to Dahod now, has taken the jamat money , something in the range of 15 to 17000 Canadian dollars. I am wondering what action can be taken on him to get this money back or punish him, he is now in Dahod,

think
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Unread post by think » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:21 am

nothing. Here in southern U.S. many a amil have come and gone and on their departure have completely cleaned bowled the local jamaat of all the moneis that they had collected for their community. While they are the local jamaat's guest, huge amounts are collected by the jamaat for their luxuries and when they leave they take every penny with them because they do not know where they would be stationed next and if this kind of opportunity will ever come their way. They may be tranferred to yemen or some small town of India,Pakistan or Africa where such an opportunity to loot foriegn currency from guillable mumineen may not present itself.

Bori85
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Unread post by Bori85 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:17 pm

think wrote:nothing. Here in southern U.S. many a amil have come and gone and on their departure have completely cleaned bowled the local jamaat of all the moneis that they had collected for their community. While they are the local jamaat's guest, huge amounts are collected by the jamaat for their luxuries and when they leave they take every penny with them because they do not know where they would be stationed next and if this kind of opportunity will ever come their way. They may be tranferred to yemen or some small town of India,Pakistan or Africa where such an opportunity to loot foriegn currency from guillable mumineen may not present itself.
I thought the Jamat money is kept in a bank here and the committe members signature is needed to withdraw the money, then how can the Aamil saheb take or transfer the money from Jamat account?

Al Zulfiqar
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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:20 pm

why would you want him to give the money back or punish him??

were you born yesterday? dont you know that it is every amil's right to use the jamaat money as he likes? he is after all the representative of the dai=imam=nabi=allah. disobeying the amil is akin to disobeying the dai =.... allah.

surely you are a munafiq and trouble maker, intent on doing amanat ma khayanat.

think
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Unread post by think » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:14 pm

zulfiqar, indeed you are a true likeness of the sword zufiqar. with your powerful thoughts and writing you just cut people up without even they noticing they are bleeding.
This abde is talking about bank accounts. does he not know that money for kothar is gold nuggets or cash in a brief case.

Bori85
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Unread post by Bori85 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:38 pm

think wrote:zulfiqar, indeed you are a true likeness of the sword zufiqar. with your powerful thoughts and writing you just cut people up without even they noticing they are bleeding.
This abde is talking about bank accounts. does he not know that money for kothar is gold nuggets or cash in a brief case.
I have seen people (including my family) giving money for Sabil, Wajebaat, etc by cheques in the name of Jamaat, over here it is Anjumane Fakhri Mississauga, now this cheque is going to this AFM account, and how can the Aamil take money from this account and run away. I am sure some committee members are involved in this , somebody has signed the cheques to withdraw the money. Other this is that I know JZulfiqar is being sarcastic in his post, but I don't care, as I don't want to go off topic. I am really bothered to know about this fraud as even my families hard earned money is looted, I know some people will say , then why did you go to this abdes and give your money, now this is a different matter altogether, if it would be only my sole decision in my family then I would never go to them, but here I don't want to discuss that issue either.

MM Bukhari
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Unread post by MM Bukhari » Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:29 am

Bori85 wrote:
think wrote:zulfiqar, indeed you are a true likeness of the sword zufiqar. with your powerful thoughts and writing you just cut people up without even they noticing they are bleeding.
This abde is talking about bank accounts. does he not know that money for kothar is gold nuggets or cash in a brief case.
I have seen people (including my family) giving money for Sabil, Wajebaat, etc by cheques in the name of Jamaat, over here it is Anjumane Fakhri Mississauga, now this cheque is going to this AFM account, and how can the Aamil take money from this account and run away. I am sure some committee members are involved in this , somebody has signed the cheques to withdraw the money. Other this is that I know JZulfiqar is being sarcastic in his post, but I don't care, as I don't want to go off topic. I am really bothered to know about this fraud as even my families hard earned money is looted, I know some people will say , then why did you go to this abdes and give your money, now this is a different matter altogether, if it would be only my sole decision in my family then I would never go to them, but here I don't want to discuss that issue either.
dont mind jokers, these jokers are doing more harm on this forum then abdes them self, any ways I understand your concern and your worries, slowly try to find out how things are working in ur jamaat commitee and once u have some solid proof talk with some sincere elder respected community member to solve the issue.

systemic approach is way to solve this issues.

think
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Unread post by think » Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:57 am

whether it is check or cash if amil says ineed money by raza of dai then that is it.

Bori85
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Unread post by Bori85 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:22 am

MM Bukhari wrote:
Bori85 wrote: I have seen people (including my family) giving money for Sabil, Wajebaat, etc by cheques in the name of Jamaat, over here it is Anjumane Fakhri Mississauga, now this cheque is going to this AFM account, and how can the Aamil take money from this account and run away. I am sure some committee members are involved in this , somebody has signed the cheques to withdraw the money. Other this is that I know JZulfiqar is being sarcastic in his post, but I don't care, as I don't want to go off topic. I am really bothered to know about this fraud as even my families hard earned money is looted, I know some people will say , then why did you go to this abdes and give your money, now this is a different matter altogether, if it would be only my sole decision in my family then I would never go to them, but here I don't want to discuss that issue either.
dont mind jokers, these jokers are doing more harm on this forum then abdes them self, any ways I understand your concern and your worries, slowly try to find out how things are working in ur jamaat commitee and once u have some solid proof talk with some sincere elder respected community member to solve the issue.

systemic approach is way to solve this issues.
Thanks Mr.MMBukhari, but this is not as easy as said, being the youngest member of my family I cannot express my views to them, but still I will try my best to know more details , I know this will take some time as don't go to markaz that often, but I will try my best to dig into this in my own way. I hope somebody who is in Mississauga Jamat and reading this post on this forum can also find out what's going on with Jamat money, as they have started collecting for Masjid fund in this ramadhan, I wonder what is going to happen to that money as it's going to be in millions of dollars.

Kaka Akela
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Unread post by Kaka Akela » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:19 pm

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Bori85: I thought the Jamat money is kept in a bank here and the committe members signature is needed to withdraw the money, then how can the Aamil saheb take or transfer the money from Jamat account?


Dear Bori85: you are so naive to think that all monies are in bank accounts and under signature of two people, NO. Only sabeel money is that way.
All other monies raised on all occasions are in the vault in every Aamils home, yes every Aamil has a vault and they will play dumb if you ask them about it. Now they have started to collect fakhera najwa for three people on any happy occasion, part of wajebaat which is not zakaat is also in his vault, other collections he makes in the name of dawat i.e, haqqun nafs (on deaths), now they are collecting funds evcery friday night for qarzan hasana for 2 different funds, no one one knows how much he collects and part of it goes on his vault, all najwa collected in the name of dai, mansoos and imamuz zaman etc very little of it is reported rest goes in his vault.
all this adds up to thousands of dollars, since no one knows about it in the jamat, it is easy for him to abscond with it, he is only human not a farishta.

Bori85
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Unread post by Bori85 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:37 pm

Kaka Akela wrote:
Bori85: I thought the Jamat money is kept in a bank here and the committe members signature is needed to withdraw the money, then how can the Aamil saheb take or transfer the money from Jamat account?


Dear Bori85: you are so naive to think that all monies are in bank accounts and under signature of two people, NO. Only sabeel money is that way.
All other monies raised on all occasions are in the vault in every Aamils home, yes every Aamil has a vault and they will play dumb if you ask them about it. Now they have started to collect fakhera najwa for three people on any happy occasion, part of wajebaat which is not zakaat is also in his vault, other collections he makes in the name of dawat i.e, haqqun nafs (on deaths), now they are collecting funds evcery friday night for qarzan hasana for 2 different funds, no one one knows how much he collects and part of it goes on his vault, all najwa collected in the name of dai, mansoos and imamuz zaman etc very little of it is reported rest goes in his vault.
all this adds up to thousands of dollars, since no one knows about it in the jamat, it is easy for him to abscond with it, he is only human not a farishta.
I don't know about Aamil having vault's in their homes or not, butt this Amil (triple A) has taken around 17 or 18000Cdn $ of the Jamat money and left for Dahod, and the surprising thing is that some jamat members gave him this money, aren't the jamat member's answerable to the people of Mississauga, who have given their hard earned money as sabil and wajebats. Who gave them authority to give away this money to this departing Aamil?

think
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Unread post by think » Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:55 am

Dear bohri 85, according to mm bukh hari this is a mojeza that the amil had the sharaf and duaa of the dai to take money to dahod. su eni nerali shan.
In the first place when you give money for a religious cause you assume honesty and that money would be spent in doing god's work. Now you know this is far from the truth for this kothar. The very reason that created this doubt in you to track your money is proof. And your doubt is correct and many like you doubt because they have gone through the same suffering. They have also seen their hard earned money being spent in buying expensive gifts . The other day one zada gifted another zada with a 300,000 rs. parrot. This is how your hard earned money is squandered. So don't give them money . by giving them money you give them more power to ruin your lives with their whims and fancies.in the south, the height of stupidity; one has to take raza of amil to do zabiha.

ghulam muhammed
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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:08 pm

Moazzaz Mumineen,

Ba'ad afzalus salaam,

As per misaal mubarak of Al Vazarat us Saifiyah, all mumineen are requested to lay the barakati gilaaf mubarak of Al Hayy al Muqaddas Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA turbat mubarak on quboor of their marhoom relatives (incl. family, friends etc.) and do ziyarat on Friday.

All mumineen whose marhoom parents or relatives who are madfoon at Beechwood Cemetry are requested to come at 10:30 AM on Friday, April 18, 2014. They will be given gilaaf mubarak to lay on the qabar and do ziyarat.

This is a very important Amal and Farman where the marhoom will get the shafa'at of Al Hayy al Muqaddas Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA & Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS and mumineen will get the barakat by doing ziyarat.

We urge all mumineen to come and take the azeem barakat, irrespective of weather if they have their relatives madfoon in Canada

All mumineen are requested to come definitely tomorrow for ziyarat and gain sawab.

Abeed e Syedna TUS

Anjuman e Fakhri, Mississauga

Bori85
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Unread post by Bori85 » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:24 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:Moazzaz Mumineen,

Ba'ad afzalus salaam,

We urge all mumineen to come and take the azeem barakat, irrespective of weather if they have their relatives madfoon in Canada

All mumineen are requested to come definitely tomorrow for ziyarat and gain sawab.

Abeed e Syedna TUS

Anjuman e Fakhri, Mississauga

How much to pay for this "azeem barakat"?