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Al Zulfiqar
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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:55 pm

i have been told by die-hard abdes and even other shias that this site mocks imam hussain and maatam to mourn his shahadat.

my question is, and this should be a no-brainer for any right thinking individual who cares to reflect on the deeper, underlying philosophy of the tragic events of kerbala; are the reformists doing wrong objecting to and ridiculing the way kothar has made maatam a convenient tool to subjugate and dumb down abde bohras, making it into an opiate for the brainwashed masses, or is the kothar the one mocking the memory of hussain and the martyrs of kerbala, thus blatantly and cold-bloodedly belittling the ultimate sacrifices of the shohoda?

these annual moharram tamashas have become like abde picnics, where tens of thousands congregate to shed crocodile tears, shop, sight-see, and enjoy the cultures and cuisines in exotic locations, while enjoying all creature comforts based on an abde's spending (and licking) power and color of ejamaat cards! the kothar uses moharram as a spectacle to demonstrate its power and boost its public image, while sardonically making the shahadat of hussain and his fellow martyrs as a time to rake in massive amounts of money, playing cleverly on the emotions and faith of simple and gullible bohras.

to add insult to injury and to heap further insults and scorn on the shohoda, the saifee mahal mafia twist the frantic and earth-shaking maatam meant to mourn hussain into a dedication for their dai's long life!! this implies that hussain and 72 others gave up their very lives on the scorched desert of kerbala, hungry, thirsty and bedraggled, so that the bohra dai could enjoy a long life as a sultan???


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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:24 pm

Al Zulfiqar wrote: i have been told by die-hard abdes and even other shias that this site mocks imam hussain and maatam to mourn his shahadat.
This is an age old tactic adopted by kothar to propogate against anyone who is a threat to their hidden agenda which is to subjugate abdes and extort monies on any and every occassion especially the solemn month of mohurrum wherein the dai even CHARGES amount in crores just to deliver sermons. The rational and right minded shias/bohras are aware of this tactic and no amount of false propaganda is going to convince them into believing the kothari lies. It is only the brain washed abdes and some illiterate shias who fall prey to these false rumours and help the kotharis into achieving their ulterior motives.

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:27 pm

SBM wrote: Is that Yazid's army welcoming him
While on the subject of the Surat Mohurrum tamasha, it is ironic that Imam Hussain's zikr is made in the land ruled by the Yazid of today.

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:28 pm

its hard to believe how low our community has fallen in its acceptance to slavery! i cannot even begin to countenance how elderly grandfathers can stand there looking so much like sheep to the slaughter, grovelling and scraping in front of that pre-pubescent kid.

that kid should be pulled up by the scruff of his saaya and given a sound hiding to bring his arrogance and disrespect down to earth with a bang.

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:19 pm

While on the subject of Mohurrum vayez, a friend of mine from the western suburbs of Malad narrated the following excerpts of the Malad amil's bayan :-

"Aliqadar Mufaddal mola ne jaare khabar padhi ke marol ni jamat ye Ashara mubaraka ni poori tayyari kari deedhi chhe to aap ghana khafa thaya ke raza vagar aam kem kidhu ane ena baad aap ghana jalal maa aavi ne elaan kidhu ke marol ma vayez nahi thai ane pachi surat taraf enayat farmavi................ Mumino Aliqadar Mufaddal mola burhani nathi, aap to saifudin chhe ane aap ma saifudin no jalal chhe............. Ya Hussain Ya Hussain".

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by jamanpasand » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:30 am

This kid will be the next mansoos after the present mansoos. A long term deal in kothar.

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by asad » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:41 am

jamanpasand wrote:This kid will be the next mansoos after the present mansoos. A long term deal in kothar.
In all prbablity next mansoos will be Husain Saifuddin son of Mufaddal saheb, He has been groomed for the role since he was a kid, He is a hafiz e Quran, a good qari and very down to earth person, really keeps to himself. He is the face of Quran hifz programme and was the only grand kid who had maximum access to current dai.

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:38 am

Off course his son ...how can you say he is down to earth...

Does he take an auto rikshaw does he live in a one bedroom flat, says no when someone does Salam , eats in thal with rest of bohras in the heat and hard floor,

Interesting the imam u zaman even then will see no other bohri youth to make a leader...

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Unread post by asad » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:27 am

Bohra spring wrote:Off course his son ...how can you say he is down to earth...

Does he take an auto rikshaw does he live in a one bedroom flat, says no when someone does Salam , eats in thal with rest of bohras in the heat and hard floor,

Interesting the imam u zaman even then will see no other bohri youth to make a leader...
We all know who decides so lets keep Imam uz zaman business out of this. I have known the guy for close to 20 years now and is not like most of the qasre mawali sorts. family of Mufaddal saheb are known for their reclusive nature and Husain Saifuddin till now has not courted any controversy. GM can verify.

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:31 pm

asad wrote: family of Mufaddal saheb are known for their reclusive nature and Husain Saifuddin till now has not courted any controversy. GM can verify.
Bro asad,

I cannot vouch for the family of Mufaddal bhaisaab but can only say that he is supposed to be much more calm then the other zaadas especially qaid johar who is very arrogant and thinks too high of himself. The best groomed kids are of the Mazun, they are intelligent, highly educated and down to earth. They also do a lot of charity work and dont believe in publicising the same due to which many bohras are not aware of it.

The YN lobby which consists of his sons, Kher and Badri Jamali played a very important role in getting the coveted post for Muffy as he is their jijaji and by which they could gain major control over the dawat. Mazun was the most prefered choice by Burhanudin saab as his father, the late Taher Saifudin saab is supposed to have specifically expressed his desire in a written document to Burhanudin saab. Some years back, kher, who was the surat amil had organised a physical attack on mazun's car but the entire matter was hushed up due to their clout in the corridors of power.

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by asad » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:51 am

between where is Mazoon saheb, no news, pictures on Propaganda websites. Mukasir is ill. and rest of the sons of STS have followed the tide and are in attendance in Surat

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:16 am

I heard a reckless bayan today from the Amil who was reading off a scripted bayan that is sent worldwide from Surat

When describing the story of Rasullullah the Amil literally mentioned " Abbubakr , Umar ane Usman , khuda in lanat" and everyone in the marcuz said khuda in lanat

Now Abdes please explain who is endangering the lives of fellow bohras...are you guys not asking for trouble ..how can you go on like these when you are under attack from radicals in Pakistan.

Sop blaming PdB if this utterance have consequences.

Let us know if this gets repeated elsewhere.

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by accountability » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:05 pm

yes it is right they dont care. Cursing, abusing for historical events are utter ignorance. But it has and will fall on deaf ears. Having said that you did not have to copy it here, atleast explicitly. it was pertinent to point out that it is still going on, without copying the actual text. I f Kothat does not care, the least we can do is show them that progressive are different and they care for ordinary bohras and their lives.

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by accountability » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:12 pm

Mazoon saheb is in Toronto, he is delivering waaz there. it is really hard to make out what he is saying, and he just keeps on and on and on. I had heard that mazoon saheb is different and their family is educated one, but here I dont see much difference. he has no time limit, may be his bayan is full of wisdom, but due to past thyroid problems, his voice is not clear, and cant understand anything. last night he kept on going till 12 in night.

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by accountability » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:17 pm

SBM, the kid is son of Malik Ul Ashter. it is really shame, and mocking whole muharram's solemn pledge, that a kid is delivering bayan or waaz, if you can call it a waaz. I dont know what manner and civilities these kids are taught, they dont feel ashamed of sitting in front of people of his grand father's age, standing like sub human. shame on these grown ups too. what they will teach their own kids. I have seen this in houston. very shameful.

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:52 pm

accountability wrote: I f Kothat does not care, the least we can do is show them that progressive are different and they care for ordinary bohras and their lives.
accty, your concern is misplaced. when progressives try to show that they care for ordinary bohras, what happens to them? they are reviled, abused and attacked physically and verbally.

let the kothar do what it does best and let the foolish and gullible abdes suffer the consequences, as they themselves yearn for this slavery and disrespect. you do not have to take responsibility for the stupidity and criminal actions of the kothar. its not your duty nor your obligation.

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by juzerali » Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:45 pm

I have attended a lots of Wayezes and Majalises all my life. What I feel about them is they are really there to keep us in a make-believe world. It gives us vibes that we are still living in the times of Muhammed (PBUH), Haz. Ali and Imam Hussain. Thus isolating us from the real world that is around us. We are made to believe that we are under thanda saaya of Maula. We have blessings of Panjatan. And that we shall conquer in the end.

The hard truth is...

We live in a time wherein we are a minority. There are lots of factors around us which directly or indirectly influences our life. Like politics, scams, crime, resource movement, domestic and foreign trade etc. etc. etc. A quintessential bohra (including me) would know very little about any of these things. Hence the sole purpose of this Tamasha is much like Cricket. It gets all our attention, successfully keeping us from real issues around us. It is our duty to know and acknowledge the world around us and take informed decisions. Waaz and Majlis are trying very hard to keep us incompetent.

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by asad » Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:06 am

accountability wrote:Mazoon saheb is in Toronto, he is delivering waaz there. it is really hard to make out what he is saying, and he just keeps on and on and on. I had heard that mazoon saheb is different and their family is educated one, but here I dont see much difference. he has no time limit, may be his bayan is full of wisdom, but due to past thyroid problems, his voice is not clear, and cant understand anything. last night he kept on going till 12 in night.
Mazoon sahab is known to extend his waez, he likes to keep it at odd hours. regarding his kids you can get more info at http://www.tahiyaat.com/

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:34 pm

Muffy and gang have made it a point to parade the Dai in palkhi almost everyday for a few moments during the surat vayez in order to maintain the momentum and euphoria which the dai is able to create as he realises that the dai is the main crowd puller as otherwise his vayez was likely to get a lukewarm response. After all, the dai is now not only the crowd puller but also the ultimate marketing product as he also has the "Sympathy" factor behind him.

However on Ashura it was a terrible sight to see the fragile dai being literally "Forced" to perform the "act of shahadat", a trend which was started by this 52nd dai some years back. This "Act of Shahadat" which more appropriately can be called "Mocking of Shahadat" is an act wherein the vayezin bends on the takht (like performing sujood) and runs his hand on his neck, thereby signifying (more approrpiately mocking) the act of shimr who beheaded Imam Hussain (a.s.) when he was in sujood on the day of Ashura during the battle of karbala. As the same has been made almost mandatory by the 52nd dai when he was fit, muffy too aped the dai but not before forcing the Dai himself to perform this act in his sick and fragile condition.

The scene was witnessed by lakhs of bohras on TV screens wherein one could see the dai's plight and his inability to perform this act due to his weak physical condition. One could see Muffy literally instructing the dai's jamai Moiz to bend the dai and put his hand over his neck which the dai found extremely difficult to do. Moiz tried his best but could not succeed as the dai was totally unable to perform such acts and inspite of Moiz putting maximum pressure on the dai's neck, the dai just couldnt bend but bounced back like a spring. After having failed to do so, he gave the mike in the dai's hands wherein he uttered some words which were totally inaudible and one could hear only some murmurs.

The above incident is highlighted not with the intention of mocking the Dai but to show to the world the extent to which the zaadas can go to in order to achieve their motives which is just to emotionally charge the abdes and gain their sympathies which results in more pumping of cash and strengthens their vice like grip over the abdes !! How can any son put his ailing, sick and aged father in such terrible hardships ? This is totally inhuman which the stupid abdes sadly fail to realise.

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:01 pm

BACK TO BUSINESS IMMEDIATELY AFTER "ASHOORA"...............

The Dai took ZIAFAT from Qurbanhussainbhai Ezzi on 11th MOHURRUM.

The Dai took ZIAFAT from Hizbul Mashaikh on 12th MOHURRUM.

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:29 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:BACK TO BUSINESS IMMEDIATELY AFTER "ASHOORA"...............

The Dai took ZIAFAT from Qurbanhussainbhai Ezzi on 11th MOHURRUM.

The Dai took ZIAFAT from Hizbul Mashaikh on 12th MOHURRUM.
for the kothar, the 10 days of moharram are merely a minor roadblock in their quest for ziyafats and other money making rackets. its like the khandala ghat between bombay and poona, which slows down your high speed travel.

but hold on, they have turned the roadblock too into a massive money-spinning bonanza. to give another comparison, they are the beggars and scam artists at a major traffic signal, where they descend upon every hapless driver and try to sell them glittering but useless wares.

and in what may seem like an apocryphal and even slightly blasphemous analogy, hussain's shahadat has been turned by our mercenary mullahs into the cheap, gory, but highly effective scam wherein the traffic signal fraudsters show a kafan covered 'dead' body lying on the sidewalk and appeal tearfully for money to carry out its last rites!!

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by asad » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:23 am

AZ,
who said Muharram is a road block. ten days is the time when Kothar goes in hyper active mode to catch wealthy bakras who have come to attend waez. All these Bakras will be slaughtered enmass in coming days.

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:51 pm

THE HUNGER AND THIRST OF SHOHADAS IN KARBALA BEING CELEBRATED BY THE BOHRA CLERGY :-

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:46 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:THE HUNGER AND THIRST OF SHOHADAS IN KARBALA BEING CELEBRATED BY THE BOHRA CLERGY :-

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how happy hussain would be on seeing this sight! his sacrifice has not been in vain. if it had not been for his inhuman slaughter, abde bohras would have not been able to enjoy such lavish niyaz's.

su aali qadr maula ni niraali shaan chhe!! ena ehsaan ane karam beshumaar chhe, ke ey shaheed hussain na naam par salwaat padhe chhe ane labrez jaman nosh farmawe chhe!!!!

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:05 pm

GIFTS BEING SHOWERED DURING VAYEZ OF IMAM HUSSAIN (A.S.), 8TH MOHURRUM :-

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:04 pm

BUSINESS AS USUAL IMMEDIATELY AFTER ASHOORA :-

On 14th Mohurrum there were mass nikahs 'Rasme Saifee' wherein herds of abde grooms were slaughtered, although there were many poor abdes too from as far as Mumbra but the "Nikah Charges" were a minimum of Rs.8,000/- per groom plus 4 envelopes of salams plus the charges paid to the local amil for clearence (safai chithi). It was followed by a procession of abde grooms who came on horseback, elephant and some even prefered a camel cart ride. In case people forget, there are still 25 days left for the chellum of Imam Hussain (a.s.) !

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:30 pm

BUSINESS AS USUAL IMMEDIATELY AFTER ASHOORA :-

In all, around 400 nikahs were performed in Rasme Saifee and the "Minimum" charges were Rs.8,000/- for poor bohras living in Mumbra and slums of dharavi, kandivli etc, these nikahs were performed by a bunch of zaadas.

The "Premium Package" was nikah by mansoos and the minimum charges were Rs.2.52 lacs, he performed 32 nikahs and laughed all the way to the bank in a matter of a 2 hours as this was the time taken to finish his business in which he raked in around Rs.80 lakhs !!

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Re: Mohurrum Tamasha: Its Hurricane Muffy After Storm Sandy

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Unread post by trvoice » Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:38 pm

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: Its big business guys. And more addicting than crack or hasish, show me one thing from birth to death of a bohri that does not cost money. Personally I have denied any and every contributions to my jamaat because spending on ziyafats is somehow more important than helping a needy one to them. And thats sub human to me.