Here is something participants will find interesting. None of this BS about zahir and batin about the Koran which we are being fed everday.
Wednesday, October 23, 2003
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Aga Khan urges correct use of Koran teachings
LONDON, Tuesday
The Aga Khan at the weekend spoke about freedom of interpretation as a "generosity which the Holy Koran confers upon all believers".
He also spoke of what was needed to assure "the growth of future generations of our intelligentsia, so that we strengthen our own capacity to determine our destiny".
In a keynote address at an international meeting entitled "Word of God, Art of Man: The Koran and its Creative Expressions," the Aga Khan, spiritual leader of the the Shia Ismaili Muslims, said: "The revelation granted to the Holy Prophet Muhammad opened new horizons and released new energies of mind and spirit."
It was, he said, a message "still potent in the Muslim world today, although it is sometimes clouded over, distorted and deformed by political interests and by struggles for power over the minds and hearts of people."
There are attempts, he warned, "at transforming what are meant to be fluid, progressive, open-ended, intellectually informed and spiritually inspired traditions of thought, into hardened, monolithic, absolutist and obscurantist positions."
Later , speaking to postgraduate students in Islamic Studies and Humanities, the Aga Khan described the intellectual development of the ummah as an urgent challenge.
"In what voice or voices," he asked, "can the Islamic heritage speak to us afresh – a voice true to the historical experience of the Muslim world yet, at the same time, relevant to the technically advanced, but morally turbulent and uncertain world of today?"
He spoke of divides so readily perceived today. "On the opposite sides of the fissures," he said, "are the ultra-rich and the ultra-poor, the Shia and the Sunni, the Arab and the non-Arab, the theocracies and the secular states, those who search for and are keen to adopt modern, participatory forms of government, versus those who wish to re-impose supposedly ancient forms of governance."
He added: "What should have been brotherhood has become rivalry, generosity has been replaced by greed and ambition, the right to think is held to be the enemy of real faith, and anything we might hope to do to expand the frontiers of human knowledge through research is doomed to failure for, in most of the Muslim world, there are neither the structures nor the resources to develop meaningful intellectual leadership."
"Yet," said the Aga Khan, "there are many across the length and breadth of the Muslim world today, who care for their history and heritage, who are keenly sensitive to the radically altered conditions of the modern world."
The Aga Khan went on to describe a number of initiatives that he had launched in the areas of higher education to address the need to foster intellectual development in Muslim societies. These included the Aga Khan University with campuses in South Asia, East Africa and the United Kingdom and the University of Central Asia with campuses under development in Tajikistan, Kazakhstan and the Kyrgyz Republic.
Among the more significant new ventures he mentioned, was an international network of schools that he had launched across Africa and Asia, and that would provide education of the highest quality from the primary to the higher secondary levels on custom-designed campuses with the best facilities available.
The Aga Khan was in London to attend events marking the 25th anniversary of the establishment of The Institute of Ismaili Studies.
A Leader with brains and a vision
Re: A Leader with brains and a vision
On the flip side (for the Bohris feather in their topis and pagrsi), the following news from Mombasa, Kenya:
"The Burhaniya Bohra School, formerly Zenabbai Karimjee School, built by the illustrious and philanthrophist Karimjee Family of East Africa, is now taken over by the Kenya Government after the Bohra Community failed to run it professionally. After Kenya's independence, it had become a secular school - but Bohri kids to follow all the dictates of Bohrism, e.g. topis and ridas etc.
The School Buildings overlooking the Tudor Creek where the the most modern, and spacious on luxurious grounds and perhaps the only Bohra School with some kind of standards in the Bohra World when it opened and during the ra prior to 1963. It was built in 1958 and was opened by Sir Eveline Barring, the then colonial Governor of Kenya at that time".
The school was lately run by some Kothar appointed school committee, some of the members being school drop-outs and patronage Mullas and Sheikhs.
Compare this to what
Observer wrote:
"The Aga Khan went on to describe a number of initiatives that he had launched in the areas of higher education to address the need to foster intellectual development in Muslim societies. These included the Aga Khan University with campuses in South Asia, East Africa and the United Kingdom and the University of Central Asia with campuses under development in Tajikistan, Kazakhstan and the Kyrgyz Republic.
Among the more significant new ventures he mentioned, was an international network of schools that he had launched across Africa and Asia, and that would provide education of the highest quality from the primary to the higher secondary levels on custom-designed campuses with the best facilities available.
The Aga Khan was in London to attend events marking the 25th anniversary of the establishment of The Institute of Ismaili Studies. "
"The Burhaniya Bohra School, formerly Zenabbai Karimjee School, built by the illustrious and philanthrophist Karimjee Family of East Africa, is now taken over by the Kenya Government after the Bohra Community failed to run it professionally. After Kenya's independence, it had become a secular school - but Bohri kids to follow all the dictates of Bohrism, e.g. topis and ridas etc.
The School Buildings overlooking the Tudor Creek where the the most modern, and spacious on luxurious grounds and perhaps the only Bohra School with some kind of standards in the Bohra World when it opened and during the ra prior to 1963. It was built in 1958 and was opened by Sir Eveline Barring, the then colonial Governor of Kenya at that time".
The school was lately run by some Kothar appointed school committee, some of the members being school drop-outs and patronage Mullas and Sheikhs.
Compare this to what
Observer wrote:
"The Aga Khan went on to describe a number of initiatives that he had launched in the areas of higher education to address the need to foster intellectual development in Muslim societies. These included the Aga Khan University with campuses in South Asia, East Africa and the United Kingdom and the University of Central Asia with campuses under development in Tajikistan, Kazakhstan and the Kyrgyz Republic.
Among the more significant new ventures he mentioned, was an international network of schools that he had launched across Africa and Asia, and that would provide education of the highest quality from the primary to the higher secondary levels on custom-designed campuses with the best facilities available.
The Aga Khan was in London to attend events marking the 25th anniversary of the establishment of The Institute of Ismaili Studies. "
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jahrastafari
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Re: A Leader with brains and a vision
Please provide your source so i can see for myself if those were the words really used. Or have you conviniently spun them to suit your own ends.... I wonder???"The Burhaniya Bohra School, formerly Zenabbai Karimjee School, built by the illustrious and philanthrophist Karimjee Family of East Africa, is now taken over by the Kenya Government after the Bohra Community failed to run it professionally. After Kenya's independence, it had become a secular school - but Bohri kids to follow all the dictates of Bohrism, e.g. topis and ridas etc.
The School Buildings overlooking the Tudor Creek where the the most modern, and spacious on luxurious grounds and perhaps the only Bohra School with some kind of standards in the Bohra World when it opened and during the ra prior to 1963. It was built in 1958 and was opened by Sir Eveline Barring, the then colonial Governor of Kenya at that time".
The school was lately run by some Kothar appointed school committee, some of the members being school drop-outs and patronage Mullas and Sheikhs.
Re: A Leader with brains and a vision
The source is a letter from a friend in Kenya - who I may add belongs to the Kothari Jamaat.
Re: A Leader with brains and a vision
Jah
So you want to sit in judgement. A favourite Bohora pastime. Go and suck on some rocks.
So you want to sit in judgement. A favourite Bohora pastime. Go and suck on some rocks.
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jahrastafari
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Re: A Leader with brains and a vision
observer
Don't cuss... makes you look like a chump
I am not looking to judge, just see the facts for myself.
There have been too many "letters from friends who belong to Kothari jamaats " on this board for me to trust.
Mumineen..
I am not convinced you have a reliable source for your statements re: burhaniya school. Happy for you to try and prove me wrong
Don't cuss... makes you look like a chump
I am not looking to judge, just see the facts for myself.
There have been too many "letters from friends who belong to Kothari jamaats " on this board for me to trust.
Mumineen..
I am not convinced you have a reliable source for your statements re: burhaniya school. Happy for you to try and prove me wrong
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MOHD HUSSAIN
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Re: A Leader with brains and a vision
Let me tell you mr Jah- This is the state of affairs of all schools run by kothar in general -Yes run by Unexperienced Mullas & Chamcha Shaikhs -Just go & visit them -because I did few months ago & found it out -I was repeatedly pursued for a big donation to improve the school-
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jahrastafari
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Re: A Leader with brains and a vision
Until some of you show me some evidence i will not accept your accounts. Time and again you make stuff up and spin it to meet your own ends.
Mohd Hussain when have you ever seen for yourself the school which is being referred to above or any other bohra school for that matter
Spin some more .......
Mohd Hussain when have you ever seen for yourself the school which is being referred to above or any other bohra school for that matter
Spin some more .......
Re: A Leader with brains and a vision
BOHRAS DEFY AMILS
Alumni of Karimjee School meet at Toronto reunion despite ban
By Naseem Jivanjee
From Toronto, Canada
On July 31,1999, Toronto, Canada was the venue of a grand High School Reunion. Ex-students and the teachers who had studied at the well-known Karimjee Secondary School (later renamed as Usagara School), Tanga, Tanzania, met for a wonderful, nostalgic weekend of activities. It was very successful. It took the committee of seven persons one year to organise the event. Thanks to the web-site, 370 alumni (students) came from all over the world. Eleven teachers also came down to attend it. It was a unique opportunity as many had not met for 40 years.
Although all Asians took advantage of this school and studied there, the Bohras comprised a significant number. The school was a government school but the Karimjee Jivanjee family of Tanzania donated half the money. By all accounts, the alumni had prospered and were very keen to voice their thanks to the school which gave them a good start in shaping their lives. About two months before the event, Bohra Alumni all over the world began to be told by their respective Jamaats not to attend. As usual they were told that this function was being held without the Sayedna's raza. People were called for personal interviews and were given the third degree.
The alumni who had already paid their money were in a dilemma. It is a tribute to the most of the Bohra alumni of the school that they did not bow down to the bullying and they attended the reunion in full force. Only a handful of couples made excuses and sold their tickets - and souls. They lost out on a wonderful experience. Now the grateful ex-students are helping their alma mater financially.
Those alumni who did not attend - where has their humanity gone? So many thousands benefited from the charity of a philanthropic family - the family who has never boasted regarding its generosity - never uttered a word. It is regrettable that the educated people who benefited from the school could not celebrate a key part of their childhood without enduring the nonsense and harassment by their amils.
Talk about the sorry state of the Bohra mentality.
Alumni of Karimjee School meet at Toronto reunion despite ban
By Naseem Jivanjee
From Toronto, Canada
On July 31,1999, Toronto, Canada was the venue of a grand High School Reunion. Ex-students and the teachers who had studied at the well-known Karimjee Secondary School (later renamed as Usagara School), Tanga, Tanzania, met for a wonderful, nostalgic weekend of activities. It was very successful. It took the committee of seven persons one year to organise the event. Thanks to the web-site, 370 alumni (students) came from all over the world. Eleven teachers also came down to attend it. It was a unique opportunity as many had not met for 40 years.
Although all Asians took advantage of this school and studied there, the Bohras comprised a significant number. The school was a government school but the Karimjee Jivanjee family of Tanzania donated half the money. By all accounts, the alumni had prospered and were very keen to voice their thanks to the school which gave them a good start in shaping their lives. About two months before the event, Bohra Alumni all over the world began to be told by their respective Jamaats not to attend. As usual they were told that this function was being held without the Sayedna's raza. People were called for personal interviews and were given the third degree.
The alumni who had already paid their money were in a dilemma. It is a tribute to the most of the Bohra alumni of the school that they did not bow down to the bullying and they attended the reunion in full force. Only a handful of couples made excuses and sold their tickets - and souls. They lost out on a wonderful experience. Now the grateful ex-students are helping their alma mater financially.
Those alumni who did not attend - where has their humanity gone? So many thousands benefited from the charity of a philanthropic family - the family who has never boasted regarding its generosity - never uttered a word. It is regrettable that the educated people who benefited from the school could not celebrate a key part of their childhood without enduring the nonsense and harassment by their amils.
Talk about the sorry state of the Bohra mentality.
Re: A Leader with brains and a vision
Just read this news item again from Bohra Chronicle - January 2000
BOHRAS DEFY AMILS
Alumni of Karimjee School meet at Toronto reunion despite ban
By Naseem Jivanjee
From Toronto, Canada
On July 31,1999, Toronto, Canada was the venue of a grand High School Reunion. Ex-students and the teachers who had studied at the well-known Karimjee Secondary School (later renamed as Usagara School), Tanga, Tanzania, met for a wonderful, nostalgic weekend of activities. It was very successful. It took the committee of seven persons one year to organise the event. Thanks to the web-site, 370 alumni (students) came from all over the world. Eleven teachers also came down to attend it. It was a unique opportunity as many had not met for 40 years.
Although all Asians took advantage of this school and studied there, the Bohras comprised a significant number. The school was a government school but the Karimjee Jivanjee family of Tanzania donated half the money. By all accounts, the alumni had prospered and were very keen to voice their thanks to the school which gave them a good start in shaping their lives. About two months before the event, Bohra Alumni all over the world began to be told by their respective Jamaats not to attend. As usual they were told that this function was being held without the Sayedna's raza. People were called for personal interviews and were given the third degree.
The alumni who had already paid their money were in a dilemma. It is a tribute to the most of the Bohra alumni of the school that they did not bow down to the bullying and they attended the reunion in full force. Only a handful of couples made excuses and sold their tickets - and souls. They lost out on a wonderful experience. Now the grateful ex-students are helping their alma mater financially.
Those alumni who did not attend - where has their humanity gone? So many thousands benefited from the charity of a philanthropic family - the family who has never boasted regarding its generosity - never uttered a word. It is regrettable that the educated people who benefited from the school could not celebrate a key part of their childhood without enduring the nonsense and harassment by their amils.
Talk about the sorry state of the Bohra mentality.
BOHRAS DEFY AMILS
Alumni of Karimjee School meet at Toronto reunion despite ban
By Naseem Jivanjee
From Toronto, Canada
On July 31,1999, Toronto, Canada was the venue of a grand High School Reunion. Ex-students and the teachers who had studied at the well-known Karimjee Secondary School (later renamed as Usagara School), Tanga, Tanzania, met for a wonderful, nostalgic weekend of activities. It was very successful. It took the committee of seven persons one year to organise the event. Thanks to the web-site, 370 alumni (students) came from all over the world. Eleven teachers also came down to attend it. It was a unique opportunity as many had not met for 40 years.
Although all Asians took advantage of this school and studied there, the Bohras comprised a significant number. The school was a government school but the Karimjee Jivanjee family of Tanzania donated half the money. By all accounts, the alumni had prospered and were very keen to voice their thanks to the school which gave them a good start in shaping their lives. About two months before the event, Bohra Alumni all over the world began to be told by their respective Jamaats not to attend. As usual they were told that this function was being held without the Sayedna's raza. People were called for personal interviews and were given the third degree.
The alumni who had already paid their money were in a dilemma. It is a tribute to the most of the Bohra alumni of the school that they did not bow down to the bullying and they attended the reunion in full force. Only a handful of couples made excuses and sold their tickets - and souls. They lost out on a wonderful experience. Now the grateful ex-students are helping their alma mater financially.
Those alumni who did not attend - where has their humanity gone? So many thousands benefited from the charity of a philanthropic family - the family who has never boasted regarding its generosity - never uttered a word. It is regrettable that the educated people who benefited from the school could not celebrate a key part of their childhood without enduring the nonsense and harassment by their amils.
Talk about the sorry state of the Bohra mentality.