Forcing Bohras to keep beard (dari)

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Al Zulfiqar
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Re: Beard : Token of Your Faith ?

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:54 pm

humanbeing wrote: It restraints youngsters from worldly distractions (discos, pubs, bars etc) as bearded man is considered pious, and it’s a shame to be seen at such places.
• It is a sign of male bravado, a distinctive feature of “Be a Man” grrrrr !!
• It instils a sense of compassion, makes men; milder, kinder, softer in character.
• It is a sign of faithfulness, obedience, righteousness in Islam / Prophet / Dai.
• It represents knowledge and wisdom
• It commands respects from general populace

beard looks good on certain personalities, when groomed and managed after a particular age or phase of life, we see elders keep beards, they look graceful, respected and wiser by virtue of experience and knowledge. Also they are keeping beard out of own will, understanding and maturity.
humanbeing,
usually you post sensibly, now with this post you seem to be slipping and sliding all over the place. do you really believe this nonsense? gandhi, jinnah, lincoln, mandela, nehru, dalai lama, the list can go on and on, what about their beards?

this topic is as full of crap as is the kothar's farman to keep beards. unfortunately in our bohra culture of today, outward and superficial symbolism of slavery has become more important than your inward piety and faith.

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Re: Beard : Token of Your Faith ?

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Unread post by humanbeing » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:15 am

HI AZ

Don’t jump the gun pal !! read my post !!
There are several advantage listed as per DB philosophy, I was told these by elders who encourage to keep a full growing beard:
Feel the humor !!
It is a sign of male bravado, a distinctive feature of “Be a Man” grrrrr !!
And then my POV
In my POV, we grow with age and mature as per our life’s experiences. Every phase of our growing we go through several outlook towards life, as we grow from childhood we wish to be smart, stylish, savvy and attractive as per our perception / experience / orientation / exposure to grooming through the phases. As we grow from one phase to another we change our appearance and outlook as per maturity and understanding.

Beard looks good on certain personalities, when groomed and managed after a particular age or phase of life, we see elders keep beards, they look graceful, respected and wiser by virtue of experience and knowledge. Also they are keeping beard out of own will, understanding and maturity.

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Re: Beard : Token of Your Faith ?

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Unread post by sixfeetunder » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:17 am

'Kahi hum galti se Aashiq-e-Rasool ke bajaay Aashiq-e-Abu Jahl to nahi paidaa kar rahe hain? Kyunki daadhi toh Abu Jahl ki bhi thi!'

- Khuda kay liye (movie)

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Re: Beard : Token of Your Faith ?

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Unread post by seeker110 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:11 pm

A man should be able to decide what he wears.Nobody should dictate unless it regards to cleanliness.

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Re: Beard : Token of Your Faith ?

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Unread post by JC » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:15 pm

Abdes just love to HATE Saudis ......... Care to see how similar you all are to Saudis .......... Royal Family, Not touching Royals, Kissing hands, living in Palaces, Hanging Photos EVERYWHERE, thinking is is only their WAY or Highway, Keeping Dharee ... :lol: wearing standard clothes everywhere, Gotra/Tope, Thoub/KurtaSaya, there are hundred of similarities .......... oh ....... Mazhub Kay Thaikaydar ........ Al-Saud, Qare Aali, Custodian of Holy Mosques, Servants of Ahl-e-Bayt, all Maliks, all Shahzadas, Royal Family members at Key Posts, Royal Family Members are Rulling Class (all positions of authority rests with them), NO ACCOUNTABILITY, ........

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Re: Beard : Token of Your Faith ?

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Unread post by humanbeing » Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:54 am

During last Muharram, when Shehzada Malek-ul-ashtar Bhaisaab was presiding over the muharram waaz, he narrated an incident on topic of obedience.

A young man came rushing to Dar-ul-Imarat (dewri) with excitement to express his devotion and love for sayedna sahib, he wanted to meet with sayedna sahib and earn sharaf of kadambosi. In his excitement and fervor he was expressing his desire to do anything to impress sayedna sahib and earn his blessings, as narrated by shehzada saab;

young man said : “Saheb, maula par mara jaan ane maal kurbaan kari nakhu, mein garden (neck) katavaa tayyar chu, mara maula par mein nichaavar thai jaau, aap mane maula ni hazrat ma java do”

Seeing such devotion, office holders informed Shehzada Malek-ul-ashtar bhai saab and he came out to meet this lad. Seeing him, bhaisaab smirked and told him

“Bhai aap garden (neck) katava tayyar cho ! lekin pehla baal to kataavi do and dadhi (beard) to raakhi lo, pachi jaan ane maal ni waat karjo.”

This narration amused the crowd and bearded people were grinning looking left and right enjoying their achievement of bushy beard and shaved head appearance of piety and obedience.
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I saw a sad irony in this incident.

Young man came rushing to the dewri with zeal and love in his heart to express his devotion and seek blessing of sayedna sahib, and he was advised to keep an outwardly appearance of beard and shaved head to show his expression of devotion.

Incident was narrated as a light humor to ridicule young boys and girls of their thoughts. Bayaan followed further with insistence on obedience to beard / shaved head / topi and rida farmaan.

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SINCE WHEN DID THE BEARD BECOME COMPULSORY

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Unread post by genesis » Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:16 am

WE have come across many photographs of Bohras in the early seventies with clean-shaven faces and wearing colorful shirts, lungies and shervanis in the masjids. Since when did the beard and the white dress become compulsory and why ?? Why the sudden awakening and change ? Why has appearance become foremost ?

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Re: SINCE WHEN DID THE BEARD BECOME COMPULSORY

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Unread post by abde53 » Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:58 pm

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Let us look at the benefits of males wearing a beard. Doctor Daniel G. Freeman, of University of Chicago, did research on the reproductive value of male beardedness. To test his theory Doctor Freedman and his graduate students asked a group of undergraduates about their feelings about beardedness by giving them questionnaires and interviewing them. Furthermore, one of the graduate students interviewed seven women about their feelings towards men with beards. The female students rated a bearded male face as more masculine, independent, sophisticated and mature compared to a clean-shaven male face. They concluded from their studies that beard increases "sexual magnetism" and attractiveness and makes men more appealing to women. The presence of a beard makes a man appear more masculine to women, and she feels more feminine towards him.

This research carried out by Doctor Freedman in the field of social psychology shows that the presence of a beard on man's face makes him more sexually attractive to women.

MAN'S PERSONALITY
In a 1973 issue of psychology , Robert J. Pelligrini, a psychologist from California State University published the results of an experiment on the perception as a function of different state of beardedness or beardlessness. To carry out the experiment, Pelligrini hired eight full-bearded young men from the ages of 22-25 years, who were willing to have their beards completely shaved off. All men were professionally photographed in each of the following states:

Full beard
Goateed
Mustached
Clean shaven

Upon completion of the photographic sessions, there were a total of thirty two photographs i.e. four photos of each of the eight men. In the experiment, those photos were randomly distributed to subjects who were asked to rate their first impression based on a number of personality traits. The subjects who evaluated the photos compromised 64 male and 64 female psychology students. Hence, each photo was judged by two males and two females.

The result of this study by Pelligrini indicated a generally positive correlation between the amount of hair on the person's face and his being perceived as masculine, good looking, dominant, mature, courageous, liberal, non-confirming, older healthy and attractive.

MEDICAL BENEFITS
According tot he researches of herbalists, allowing the beard to grow prevents a person from contracting diseases of the throat and of the gums.

AN AMERICAN DOCTOR CHARLES HOLMES...
States, "I don't understand why people feel uncomfortable growing a beard. When people have hair on their heads then what is the problem with keeping the hair on the face. If a person is suffering from loss of hair on the head then the person feels shy but it is astonishing that people today shave their beard with pleasure. A long beard saves a person from the cold affects reaching the neck....

We find that the beard is not only a command of the sacred law but beneficial for a person too. The Doctors and Philosophers of many years ago would keep a beard; take for instance, Charles Darwin, Louis Pastar, Abrahim Lincon and many others. It is only recently people have been removing it

THE JOB INTERVIEW
A person went for an interview once and he got the job with the condition that he removed the beard. The person refused and left the interview room. On his way out he saw a picture depicting Jesus on the wall. Taking this off he presented this to the interviewers and said, 'If Jesus came to the interview, would you have told him the same.' The interviewers were dumbfound, the person left leaving the picture with them. This is the attitude Muslims should have, meaning, if you want our expertise then you take us as we are physically and spiritually.

MYTHS
You may hear that some people say that bacteria grows in the beard is unhygienic. The answer tot that is shaving the beard rid natural cells from the face, hence leading to cancer of the face. The question to ask is that how can the beard have bacteria when one washes it five times a day whilst doing ablution.

SAVE YOURSELF
Another benefit of the beard is that it saves a person from a sin. For instance you can change your clothes and become one of the common people, however, the beard differentiates from a believer to a non-believer. So a person will think twice before going to a place which are disallowed.

TIME WASTED IN SHAVING
Doctor Herbert Mescon from Boston University calculated that if a teenager begins shaving at the age of 15, then in his 55 or so years of shaving, he is likely to spend approximately 3350 hours, equivalent to 139 days, at this task in his lifetime.

WHERE DOES THE HAIR GO?
A man should think, how can he possibly place the hair which Allah, The Exalted, has commanded him to keep and practice of the Messenger, May Allah bless him and grant him peace, down the same drain pipe as one urinates, Is this the respect we have for the practice loved by the Prophet? We are so weak in faith that we want to follow the practices of the west rather than the Prophet. We are living in such a time where the women are wearing shirt and pants and trimming their hair, whilst the male are disfiguring themselves with rings on their faces. If a person does not keep a beard then how can he be recognized as a male, may Allah have mercy on us.

Scientific benefits for having a Beard
1

A beard protects the face from harmful chemicals, and pollution in the air, which will cause cell damage, and increase wrinkling and bad skin. So keeping a beard protects your skin from the elements, reduces wrinkles, ageing, and bad skin.
2

The beard covers the skin, which protects the sebaceous glands from being infected by acne vulgaris bacteria, thus preventing acne/spots/pimples!
3

Keeping your face warmer and protects your chin from dangers.
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It prevents disease of throat and gums.
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Most of the respiratory problems are prevented by keeping beard.
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It is the identity for a man with respect to woman.
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Research says the longer and thicker the beard the wiser the person is supposed to be.
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What is the total time spent in shaving by a man in his whole lifetime? Dr. Herbert Mescon from Boston University did research to give an answer to this question. Dr. Mescon calculated that if a teenager begin shaving at the age of 15, then in his 55 or so years of shaving, he is likely to spend about 3350 hours (which are equivalent to about 139 full days) at this task in his lifetime. That is an incredible amount of time which literally goes down the drain. You can add to it thousands of dollars one spends during his lifetime on products for shaving (razors, shaving gels, after-shave lotions etc).



Quotes:

He that hath a beard is more than a youth, and he that hath no beard is less than a man.
- William Shakespeare

How womanly it is for one who is a man to comb himself and shave himself with a razor, for the sake of fine effect, and to arrange his hair at the mirror, shave his cheeks, pluck hairs out of them, and smooth them!...For God wished women to be smooth and to rejoice in their locks alone growing spontaneously, as a horse in his mane. But He adorned man like the lions, with a beard, and endowed him as an attribute of manhood, with a hairy chest—a sign of strength and rule.
- St. Clement of Alexandria

Conscíous
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Re: SINCE WHEN DID THE BEARD BECOME COMPULSORY

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Unread post by Conscíous » Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:39 pm

abde53 bhai..
I'm sorry to give you this news,, The research you've posted, does not include "untrimmed beard with curls nor untrimmed beard with a knot under the chin like you abde's have,, so we can just disregard the research, when we are talking about the beard you guys have..

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Re: SINCE WHEN DID THE BEARD BECOME COMPULSORY

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:44 pm

Bro genesis,

This topic has been discussed many times on the forum and as you rightly said that Beard and even saya/topi for men and rida for women were not compulsory till the time of the 51st Dai's era. This can be proved with photographs of that time. Bohra women wore black sleeveless burkha known as "Khes" as Rida was the sole prerogative of the zaadis and other royals in saifee/badri mahal as they always wanted to be different and superior then the average bohras with a different type of an expensive attire having embroidery and expensive lace on it. With passage of time this tactic misfired on them as they could be easily spotted in cinema halls, 5 star hotels, beach resorts etc. which made them very conscious and uncomfortable.

Hence they came up with the old time tested method of making the dai do a farman laced with emotions. A farman was subsequently made saying "Mola ye mumenin par ghanu ehsan ane karam farmayo chhe ane pota na ghar na logo no libas peherwani izaazat mumenin ne aapi chhe". This was enough for the amtes to go hysterical and treat it as a great compliment from their shafiq bawa not realising that they were actually fooled by the saifee mahal mafias who did it for their own personal motives.

The zaadas/zaadis heaved a sigh of relief as now they could go anywhere be it cinema halls, pubs, beach resorts or Las Vegas without being identified as it became difficult for the general public to ascertain their identities as they perfectly camouflaged themselves with other bohras.

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Re: SINCE WHEN DID THE BEARD BECOME COMPULSORY

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Unread post by lawyer » Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:56 pm

rida topi and beard, are very reputed dresses and I am proud of this great attire, but again its all about the common sense of people to how use it....


beard can be washed combed and trimmed to proper islamic size and can be kept as a sunnah....Beard shud be maximum of feast size, but people are asked to keep it till there knees, now thats extremism.


most bohra are just taught to keep beard but not the sunnah part of it.......ultimately they end up looking like monkeys.

if u look closer to malumaat pics, even MB mufaddal and all his billion relatives does trims there beard(to certain sizes), but common bohras are asked not to even touch there beard, so that royals can look royals and all other look monkeys.

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Re: SINCE WHEN DID THE BEARD BECOME COMPULSORY

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Unread post by shapur » Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:21 pm

Abde 53 wrote " THE female students rated a bearded male face as more masculine, independent, sophisticated and mature compared to a clean-shaven male face. They concluded from their studies that beard increases "sexual magnetism" and attractiveness and makes men more appealing to women. The presence of a beard makes a man appear more masculine to women, and she feels more feminine towards HIM."

Apart from the stunning explicit revelations from bro KM1 in this forum about kothar some 3 weeks back which were promptly deleted by the admin., we have'nt come across express experiences to prove this theory. Because if the claims were true then girls chasing bohras everywhere like the AXE effect must be a familiar scene. Or at least we should experience the DADI effect in our own lives, but personally I must confess I have'nt although I dont know about others. Perhaps bro Zulfi could throw some light on this.

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Re: SINCE WHEN DID THE BEARD BECOME COMPULSORY

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Unread post by asad » Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:26 am

The Hadith of Beard has a line in it that goes something like do opposite of what pagans do, todays Bohras tie their beard as Sikhs do, I have not seen a single Muslim till date who does that, and when you argue with them they have a ready excuse of Dai's son and brothers doing it like Qaid johar and Ali Asger sahab even Moiz his son in law used to tie his beard.

So who teaches Bohras their bad practices its Kothar and more precisely Qasre Mawali itself.

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Re: SINCE WHEN DID THE BEARD BECOME COMPULSORY

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Unread post by genesis » Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:39 am

GM bhai,
You and others have missed the essence of the question - WHEN was the compulsory sporting of beard firmaan introduced and why out of the blue ? Our seniors tell us that not only in the time of Muqaddas mola but even till the end of seventies the sporting of beard was only voluntary and often followed by only sheikhs and mullahs ( that too 24 carat types). Then how come a sudden euphoria and compulsion for it ? what sparked the sudden directives demanding a complete change-over of appearance and dress code for both genders specially the males ?
One present day sheikh I know ( 24 carat type which is now a rare commodity ) attributes this to a set of global developments during the end of the seventies and beginning of eighties like the Iranian revolution and mass allegiance of the world shias to then orthodoxy of Khomeini, and also to the declaring of ahamaddiyas as non-muslims by the muslim countries and the Saudi ban in particular from their entry into Makkah.

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Re: SINCE WHEN DID THE BEARD BECOME COMPULSORY

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Unread post by hsnhussain » Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:29 am

I don't know when the beard and kurta hijar topi was started, but i clearly remember that around March in 1998 when i visited raudat tahera, was the first time the khidmat guzar stopped me from entering without a saya. Earlier I used to visit Raudat Tahera regularly at intervals of 2-3 months without a saya.
Last year in october when we went there with our 1year old son the khidmat guzar stopped my wife from entering pointing that our son is not wearing kurta hijar (which unfortuntely was spoiled with chocolate stains as a one year old does and we could not wash as we were travelling). Finnaly even after a lot of pleading he was not listening, so we had to dress him with dirty cloths to enter.

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Re: SINCE WHEN DID THE BEARD BECOME COMPULSORY

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Unread post by lawyer » Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:32 am

yesterday I met khadim of mosque and he had tied his beard in very embarrassing manner, and he looked pale, I told him Muhammed(s) wanted to see his ummah in beautiful and healthy state, and he liked beauty, he never wished to see his ummah in monkey state.

he was so impressed, he promised to maintain his beard and keep it in ISLAMIC way, ALHUMDOLILLAH.

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Re: SINCE WHEN DID THE BEARD BECOME COMPULSORY

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:16 am

hsnhussain wrote:I don't know when the beard and kurta hijar topi was started, but i clearly remember that around March in 1998 when i visited raudat tahera, was the first time the khidmat guzar stopped me from entering without a saya. Earlier I used to visit Raudat Tahera regularly at intervals of 2-3 months without a saya.
Last year in october when we went there with our 1year old son the khidmat guzar stopped my wife from entering pointing that our son is not wearing kurta hijar (which unfortuntely was spoiled with chocolate stains as a one year old does and we could not wash as we were travelling). Finnaly even after a lot of pleading he was not listening, so we had to dress him with dirty cloths to enter.
Hsnhussain...if you went to Rasullah saw nobody would stop you as long as you were wearing modest clothing..even if your head is uncovered...

I was hoping your story ended with that ...after the khidmat ghuzar stopped you went away for good in disgust ...so you bowed down to his pressure...

As long as they know you will bow to their oppressiveness , no one will insist...they will win...

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Re: SINCE WHEN DID THE BEARD BECOME COMPULSORY

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:16 am

A modern Muslim scholar is of the opinion that growing beards might be encouraged, but it is not mandatory in Islam. He argues 1 " that Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, had reasons for his time only, 1400 years ago, to address his companions to grow beards and this doesn't mean that these reasons have to exist today. Islam is a rational religion. Growing beards can actually cause trouble to some of the Muslims who live in the West today. If growing beards was mandatory in the Noble Quran, then we would have nothing to argue about. But since it was mentioned in the Sayings of our beloved Prophet peace be upon him, then it is important to know whether this law should apply to all times and all places or not. Some of our Prophet's Sayings and laws were made only to solve situations that occurred 1400 years ago. These few Sayings don't necessarily have to be applied today. Only the Noble Qur'an's laws are all 100% applicable for all times and all places. Prophet Muhammad's Sayings, yet most of them should be applied for all times and all places, but few of them shouldn't."

Afghan Diplomat

Haron Amin, a one-time anti-Soviet and anti-Taliban fighter in Afghanistan, who is now his country's top diplomat in Washington, said to CNN News " Well, I think -- remember that growing a beard in Islam is not dictated in the Holy Koran. It's a tradition by the Prophet. In other words, it's not one those mandatory things that one must do.
I don't grow a beard and I'm a -- and I'm a perfect Muslim here in the sense that, you know, I practice and I have my own convictions. So it's not a big thing."

SHAVED HEADS AND BEARDS 2

In Egypt, many centuries before Christ, barbers were prosperous and highly respected. The ancient monuments and papyrus show that the Egyptians shaved their beards and their heads. The Egyptian priests even went so far as to shave the entire body every third day. The Bible tells us that when Joseph was summoned to appear before Pharaoh, a barber was sent for to shave Joseph, so that Pharaoh's sight would not be offended by a dirty face.
In Greece, barbers came into prominence as early as the fifth century, BC. These wise men of Athens rivaled each other in the excellence of their beards. Beard trimming became an art and barbers became leading citizens. Statesmen, poets and philosophers, who came to have their hair cut or their beards trimmed or curled and scented with costly essences, frequented their shops. And, incidentally, they came to discuss the news of the day, because the barber shops of ancient Greece were the headquarters for social, political, and sporting news. The importance of the tonsorial art in Greece may be gathered from the fact that a certain prominent Greek was defeated for office because his opponent had a more neatly trimmed beard.
In the third century, BC, the Macedonians under Alexander the Great began their conquest of Asia and lost several battles to the Persians who grabbed the Macedonians by their beards, pulled them to the ground and speared them. This resulted in a general order by Alexander that all soldiers be clean-shaven. The civilians followed the example of the soldiers and beards lost their vogue. Barbers were unknown in Rome until 296 BC, when Ticinius Mena came to Rome from Sicily and introduced shaving. Shaving soon became the fashion and the barber shop became the gathering place for the Roman dandies. No people were better patrons of the barbers than the Romans. They often devoted several hours each day to tonsorial operations, which included shaving, hair cutting, hairdressing, massaging, manicuring and the application of rare ointments and cosmetics of unknown formulas. The great ladies of Rome always had a hairdresser among their slaves and the rich nobles had private tonsors, as they were then called. Barbers were so highly prized that a statue was erected to the memory of the first barber of Rome.
When Hadrian became emperor, beards became the fashion again -- and for a very good reason. Hadrian had a face covered with warts and scars. He allowed his beard to grow to cover these blemishes. The people of Rome imitated the emperor and grew beards whether they needed them or not.
The fashion changed again to clean-shaven faces. We know that Caesar was clean-shaven. As we will see repeated in history many times, the leaders of the state were the leaders of fashion and the people were always ready to follow the prevailing styles. There are many passages in the Bible referring to the barber profession. Moses commanded that all who recovered from leprosy should be shaved. This was done as a health precaution, because throughout history the Jews have honored the beard as a badge of manhood. To this day, the orthodox Jews have little respect for clean-shaven men. During periods of mourning, the ancient Jews allowed their beards to go untrimmed, but ordinarily their beards were trimmed regularly. The prophet Ezekiel refers to an ancient custom in these words: "Take thou a barber's razor and cause it to pass upon thy head and upon thy beard." The razors of those days were made of flint and oyster shells.
Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi 3

"We see that there are three views on shaving the beard. First, shaving beard is prohibited. This is the view of Ibn Taimyiah. Second: it is Makruh (reprehensible), that is `Iyad’s view. The Third view is that there is no problem in shaving the beard. This view is held by many contemporary scholars.

It seems to me that the closest of these three views is the one that deems shaving beard as Makruh. As the stated reason for growing the beard is to be different from the non-believers, it is similar to the matter of dyeing gray hair in order to be distinct from the Jews and Christians; it is known that some of the Companions of the Prophet did not dye their gray hair, signifying that it was commendable rather than obligatory. Similarly, growing the beard may be regarded as commendable but not obligatory, and, accordingly, shaving it would be classified as Makruh rather than Haram. It is true that none of the Companions was known to have shaved his beard. Perhaps there was no need to shave, and perhaps growing the beard was a custom among them."

Sheikh Ahmad Kutty 4

Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and an Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, who states: "no Muslim should take the issue of the beard lightly. At the same time, we must also state categorically that one should not conclude from what has been said earlier that growing a beard in Islam has the same religious significance as that of the other prescribed rituals. This is definitely not the case. Thus it is important for us to recognize that we are not allowed to ostracize men who do not have beards nor are we to question their basic faith.

Since beard is undoubtedly a great Sunnah, every Muslim male should try to practice this Sunnah according to the best of his ability. Allah does not take us to task for what is beyond our power or ability. We are told to fear Allah as best as we can." Shaving the beard is a way of imitating the disbelievers, and the Prophet of Allah has commanded us in numerous hadiths to contradict the people of the book (Jews and Christians) and to contradict the pagans and Magus. So since shaving the beard is a tradition practiced by non-Muslims, it makes it mandatory for the Muslims to contradict them by growing it. Let us see the Jewish perspective.

JEWISH PERSPECTIVE 5

Ian Posner says, "Muslims wear beards to emulate the practices of Mohammed, it does not explain where Mohammed got the idea of wearing a beard from. A clue is given in the clause relating to Islam being "...a continuation of the prophetic tradition...".

Wearing of beards is actually a Judaic tradition, which derives from the notion of avoiding doing anything, which could be possibly result in a transgression of God's commandments to the Jews (of which there are 613). One of those is the prohibition against suicide and self-harm. In that respect religious Jews are precluded from cutting any hair growing around the jawbone in case (in the days of cut-throat razors) they should slip and kill themselves!

In my personal opinion, many of the traditions in modern day Judaism stem from pragmatic rulings to ensure survival in times past. However the tragedy of Judaism today is the seeming inability of any of the orthodox rabbinates to overrule decisions made by their predecessors. After all, I challenge anyone to sever their jugular vein with an electric razor!

CHRISTIAN PERSPECTIVE 6

It is better for a man to have a beard than to not have one. He who has a beard should not think less of him who does not, and vice-versa. It is mandatory for a Christian presbyter to have a beard.

Here are some witnesses from the authority of the Church:

1.Ye shall not round the corners of your heads; neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard. Leviticus 19:27

2.Wherefore Hanun took David's servants, and shaved off the one half of their beards, and cut off their garments in the middle, even to their buttocks, and sent them away. When they told it unto David, he sent to meet them, because the men were greatly ashamed: and the king said, Tarry at Jericho until your beards be grown, and then return. 2 Samuel 10:4-5

3.And although it is written, "Ye shall not mar the figure of your beard," he plucks out his beard, and dresses his hair; and does he now study to please any one who displeases God? St. Cyprian of Carthage, Treatise III: On The Lapsed, AD 250

4."Men may not destroy the hair of their beards and unnaturally change the form of a man. For the Law says, "You shall not mar your beards." For God the Creator has made this decent for women, but has determined that it is unsuitable for men."
The Apostolic Constitutions, AD 390

5."How womanly it is for one who is a man to comb himself and shave himself for the sake of fine effect, and to arrange his hair at a mirror, shave his cheeks, pluck hairs out of them, and smooth them! For God wished women to be smooth and to rejoice in their locks alone, growing spontaneously, as a horse in his mane. But He has adorned man, like the lions, with a beard, a sign of strength and rule."

"For it is not lawful to pluck out the beard, man's natural and noble ornament. "A youth with his first beard: for with this, youth is most graceful." By and by he is anointed, delighting in the beard "on which descended" the prophetic, "ointment" with which Aaron was honoured. And it becomes him who is rightly trained, on whom peace has pitched its tent, to preserve peace also with his hair."

"But the hair on the chin is not to be disturbed, as it gives no trouble, and lends to the face dignity and paternal terror."
St. Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor: Book III, AD 195

6."The beard signifies the courageous; the beard distinguishes the grown men, the earnest, the active, and the vigorous. So that when we describe such, we say, he is a bearded man." St. Augustine, Commentary on Psalm CXXXIII (133), 4th Century

7."When a stripling Theodoret was blessed by the right hand of Aphraates the monk, of whom he relates an anecdote in his Ecclesiastical History, and when his beard was just beginning to grow was also blessed by the ascetic Zeno. At this period he was already a lector and was therefore probably past the age of eighteen." Prolegomena to the Life of St. Theodoret of Cyrrhus, 5th Century

8.Metropolitan Gabriel (Petrov) of Petersburg and Novgorod was once going to a service, where the Archpriest Andrew Samborsky, whose beard was shaved off, was supposed to serve together with him. Seeing Samborsky, the Metropolitan said: "What kind of man are you? Our Church does not accept those who shave the beard. Get out!" Little Russian Philokalia, Vol. 3, St. Herman. Pages 71-72

9."You, young men, honor those with beards. And if there is a man of thirty with a beard and one of fifty, or sixty, or a hundred who shaves, place the one with the beard above the one who shaves, in Church as well as at the table. On the other hand, I don't say that a beard will get you to heaven, but good works will. And your dress should be modest, as well as your food and your drink. Your whole conduct should be Christian so that you will be a good example for others" St. Kosmas Aitolos, 1700's AD

Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi 7

To a question with regard to the permissibility of shaving the beard, Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi wrote " The Prophet -peace be upon him- never shaved his beard. He not only kept a full beard, but he also told his companions to grow the beards. Not only the Prophet -peace be upon him- had beard, but also all his companions and almost all Muslim Imams, 'Ulama always had beards. The growing of beard is not just a custom or cultural practice among Muslims, it is a Sunnah of the Prophet -peace be upon him. According to some jurists, it is a Sunnah Mu'akkadah, i.e. an emphasized Sunnah; and it is a sin to neglect it.
According to some others it is a Sunnah 'Adiyah, i.e., a general Sunnah which should be done, but its negligence is not a sin. Muslims should grow beards, urge others to follow this and other Sunnis of the Prophet -peace be upon him. We, however, should not abuse or defame those of our brothers who neglect this Sunnah."



Sheikh Muhammad Ali Al-Hanooti 8

With regard to growing beard or cutting short the beard, Mufti Sheikh Muhammad Ali Al-Hanooti (He is a member of the North American Fiqh Council. Current Position: Mufti and Fiqh Scholar, Islam Online),
says, " I myself don't believe that it is more than Sunnah. As a matter of usul al-fiqh, the action of the Prophet (SAAWS) doesn't mean anything more than you had better to follow it, but you have the option not to do it. The only moment we have obligation is when he gives a commandment. The hadith that says leave the beards is paraphrased through the understanding of some of the companion (RA) like Ibn Umar. There is a difference between a flying logic and a realistic fiqh. If I am mistaken brother, I am rewarded one reward and maybe, Insha Allah, you are rewarded twice. Maybe vice versa. But still, I didn't say what great scholars said, like al-Shartoot and Abu Zahra, who are absolutely great scholars from the 20th century."

However, leaving the beard to grow is not a condition for the correctness of the Salaah. Whoever shaves off his beard and prays, then his prayer is not void 9.



To a question whether growing a beard is highly recommended sunnah in which it is not mandatory but recommend or is it a Fard, Sheikh Muhammad Ali Al-Hanooti 10 (He is a member of the North American Fiqh Council. Current Position: Mufti and Fiqh Scholar, Islam Online) says, "I would say growing a beard is Sunnah. Those who say it is Fard, have a different opinion." Al-Muqnei Book of Fiqh Vol 1 says, "it is recommended to grow the beard."



Shaykh Hisham 11

Shaykh Hisham says "The question is sometimes asked: "In what circumstances is it allowable for a male Muslim to shave his beard off or not to grow one at all? Is military service a valid excuse?" To which we say: al-darurat tubihu al-mahzurat -- Necessities make prohibited things permitted. The question is to define necessity in this case. Protection of one's life, safety, livelihood, and religion all qualify as such, and in some countries military service is unavoidable except at unbearably high personal cost. Indeed in some countries the beard was made either illegal by law under threat of major punishment, such as in Republican Turkey, or a cause for harassment and persecution by the authorities as in other secular-oriented states. And Allah knows best."



Shehzad Saleem 12



When a question was asked if it is compulsory in Islam for men to keep beards, the learned scholar, Shehzad Saleem who is the Director of Al-Mawrid, Institute of Islamic Sciences (51-K, Model Town, Lahore, Pakistan) says, "Keeping a beard is a desirable act for men. The Prophets of Allah kept beards and expressed their liking for it since this is from among the norms of human nature. It is an expression of manliness and as such a sign, which distinguishes men from women. However, the Prophet (sws) did not regard keeping beards as part of the Islamic Shari‘ah. Also, it is not compulsory for men to keep a beard and if a person shaves his beard he may be deprived of some reward, but he is unlikely to be punished on this. This view also conforms to the Shafite jurists (See Dr Wahbah al-Zahili, Fiqhu’l-Islami wa Adillatuhu, vol. 1, p. 308.) and to many scholars of Hadith including Qadi ‘Ayad "( See Nawawi, Sharah Sahih Muslim, 2nd ed., vol. 3, [Beirut: Daru’l-Ahya al-Turath al-‘Arabi, 1972], p. 151) who regard shaving the beard as makruh (undesirable). (While defining makruh Abu Zuhrah says: The jurists say that the perpetrator of makruh is not to be condemned while a person who desists from it is praiseworthy. (Abu Zuhrah, Usulu’l-Fiqh, 1st ed., [Cairo: Daru’l-Fikr al-‘Arabi, 1958], p. 41).

There are three important principles of understanding the Shari‘ah.

I. The Almighty has blessed man with guidance in two ways. One of them can be termed as Innate Guidance and the other one as Divine Guidance.
Innate Guidance: Man has been given certain faculties and abilities (intuition, conscience, instincts, common sense and intellect), which are enough to guide him in deciding the right course of action.

The second sphere of guidance, Divine Guidance, generally pertains to areas where human beings are unable to decide the right course by themselves. So in order to complement and supplement the sphere of Innate Guidance, the Almighty has divinely guided man through His Prophets. The Qur’an and Sunnah (the established practice of the Prophet (sws)) are the primary sources of Divine Guidance.
II. In both these spheres of Innate Guidance and Divine Guidance, deeds and actions do not merely belong to the two categories of the prohibited and the allowed, but have various other categories as well. For example, a thing may be desirable which means that if a person adopts it, he will be rewarded and if he does not, he will not be held liable to it.
III. As far as Ahadith are concerned, they are not an independent source of Islam. They must have some basis in either or both of the two aforementioned categories: Innate Guidance or Divine Guidance. Consequently, if some Ahadith do not have such a basis they cannot be accepted.
Now, in the light of these principles, it is evident:
1. The issue of keeping a beard is not discussed anywhere in the category of Divine Guidance. In other words, the Qur’an and Sunnah are devoid of any such ruling.
2. As far as the category of Innate Guidance is concerned, some scholars place this directive in it and I (Shehzad Saleem) would tend to agree with them. Of course, someone may differ.
3. Several Ahadith and some historical reports however, clearly mention that men should keep beards. Consequently, if this directive is to be classified as a religious one, these Ahadith must have a basis either in the first category (Innate Guidance) or in the second category (Divine Guidance).

There are Ahadith, which say that men must grow beards and clip their moustaches. However, an analysis of the context of these Ahadith reveals two important things.
Firstly, in all these narratives the directive of growing a beard occurs in tandem with the directive of clipping the moustache. This paired mention adds a certain stress to the whole directive. It has not been said: ‘Grow a beard’, in which case the directive would mean that as against the followers of these religious denominations, (who do not have beards) Muslims must grow beards; on the contrary, the addition of the second clause ‘clip the moustache’ adds the stress that if something is to be clipped it is the moustache and not the beard and if something is to be lengthened it is the beard and not the moustache.
Secondly, none of these narratives explicitly and unconditionally give these directives. Rather each of them begins with a negative note: ‘Do not follow idolaters, Majus (Magians), People of the Book…’ The addition of this note changes an explicit directive to a conditional one.

Abu ‘Umamah reports: The Prophet (sws) once came to some old men of the tribe of Ansar. These men had extremely white beards. Seeing them, the Prophet remarked: ‘O People of Ansar dye your beards in red or golden colors and do not follow these People of the Book’. They declared: ‘O Prophet these People of the Book do not wear shalwars and loin cloths’. At this, the Prophet said: ‘Wear shalwars and loin cloths and do not follow these People of the Book’. They declared: ‘O Prophet these People of the Book neither wear shoes nor socks [while praying] ((Abu Da‘ud, Kitabu’l-Salah). At this, the Prophet said: ‘Wear shoes and socks and do not follow these People of the Book’. They said: ‘O Prophet these People of the Book lengthen their moustaches and shave their beards’. At this, the Prophet said: ‘Clip your moustaches and lengthen your beards and do not follow these People of the Book’. (Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hambal, vol. 5 p. 264)

It is evident from the words of this Hadith that some Muslims of the Ansar were following the People of the Book in some of their practices thinking that they were obligatory. Besides other things, they thought that it was necessary to lengthen the moustache and shave off the beard. The Prophet (sws) told them that this was no religious directive. On the contrary, this was a religious innovation; so if they wanted, they could lengthen their beards and clip their moustache instead. Similarly, refraining from dyeing one’s hair was no religious requirement. If they wanted they could dye their hair as well. In other words, this Hadith is not asking men to grow beards; it is merely saying that keeping beards and clipping moustaches is not a condemned religious practice as certain people are contending. It is perfectly allowed in Islam. So, just as dyeing hair, wearing socks and shoes while praying have not become necessary directives as per this Hadith, keeping a beard as an obligatory directive cannot be deduced from it as well.
The third possibility is that this directive has a moral basis. There was something morally wrong in the practice of the followers of other religions. Obviously, keeping big moustaches and shaven beards makes one look arrogant and haughty which is clearly forbidden by both categories of guidance. So these Ahadith are describing to the Muslims the proper way of growing a beard and a moustache. Instead of having large moustaches and shaven beards, the appearance should be the other way round. In other words, the Ahadith are not directing Muslims to grow beards and moustaches; what they are saying is that if they want to grow both, then the proper way is to lengthen the beard instead of the moustache and clip the moustache instead of the beard.
Consequently, the outcome of all these three possibilities is that none of the Ahadith of the third category is asking Muslims to keep beards. This leaves us with the first and second category of Ahadith and as pointed out before these narratives classify the keeping of beard and as such place it the category of Innate Guidance present in a person. While being in this category, there can be two opinions about the nature of this directive. Someone can say that keeping a beard is obligatory in nature like some other directives of this category for example telling the truth or being honest. However, in my opinion, it does not belong to the class of obligatory directives. Rather it is a desirable thing, which will not hold a person liable if he does not follow it.

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:21 am

If a beard was recommended to be different from a pagan...who are current day pagans...

Do they wear jeans,
Do they wear Kurta Hijar
Do they wear sun glasses
Do they wear a wrist watch
Do they wear shoes and socks
Do they wear school uniform
Do they fly in aeroplanes
Do they use the Internet

This is a very interesting concept ....

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Unread post by asad » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:44 am

Bohra Spring,

differ from Pagans means in practices which are exclusive of those people. But what do you expect of Bohras today who follow and imitate pagans to the letter T. I dont need to go in details but we all know where present day bohra customs have originated.

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Unread post by hsnhussain » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:04 am

Bohra spring wrote:I was hoping your story ended with that ...after the khidmat ghuzar stopped you went away for good in disgust ...so you bowed down to his pressure...

As long as they know you will bow to their oppressiveness , no one will insist...they will win...
Actually in my case i did went away without any argument as i was a teenager then,
for my child i did call him stupid for asking kurta hijar for a 1 yr old child. I then suggested my wife to go ahead and i will wait for her outside with my son, but as it was our last day in there she insisted on going together and i had to choose between following her or spoiling the remaining days of my vacation.

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Unread post by shapur » Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:24 am

Genesis wrote : - " One present day sheikh I know ( 24 carat type which is now a rare commodity ) attributes this to a set of global developments during the end of the seventies and beginning of eighties like the Iranian revolution and mass allegiance of the world shias to then orthodoxy of Khomeini, and also to the declaring of ahamaddiyas as non-muslims by the muslim countries and the Saudi ban in particular from their entry into Makkah"

So whats your miasaab trying to say by attributing the timing of the beard and dress code firmaan to the above " global developments" ? By leaving it abruptly what conclusions you are trying to make one to draw ?

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Unread post by Conscíous » Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:17 pm

shapur wrote:
Abde 53 wrote " THE female students rated a bearded male face as more masculine, independent, sophisticated and mature compared to a clean-shaven male face. They concluded from their studies that beard increases "sexual magnetism" and attractiveness and makes men more appealing to women. The presence of a beard makes a man appear more masculine to women, and she feels more feminine towards HIM."
Apart from the stunning explicit revelations from bro KM1 in this forum about kothar some 3 weeks back which were promptly deleted by the admin., we have'nt come across express experiences to prove this theory.
Ohh.. Now you've gotten me all curious.. I'm sure the Admin wouldn't mind, if you gave us a few hints..
shapur wrote:Because if the claims were true then girls chasing bohras everywhere like the AXE effect must be a familiar scene. Or at least we should experience the DADI effect in our own lives, but personally I must confess I have'nt although I dont know about others. Perhaps bro Zulfi could throw some light on this.
Haha.. What a great point.. It's one thing to start believing a research and another, how the world interacts with you.. Thanks for your honesty..

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:23 pm

the beard became compulsory among bohras when the 51st dai started taking a new form of misaq from abdes/amtes, whereby he made them total slaves to himself and abject objects of pity. in effect he emasculated them and affirmed his rights over the abde's wives, kids, properties, oxen and any other animals of labour. this was akin to a second khatna about which i have referred to dozens of times on this forum, the 1st khatna being physical and the second mental.

but in order to compensate for this loss of manhood among his loyal abdes, he felt it would be a smart move to force them to grow beards, atleast then the impotent abdes would feel in their minds that they still continued to be macho males. this ruse has worked and most successfully. look around and you will see that the wealthier and more loyal and rabid an abde, the longer and wilder his beard. in fact, such fanatics actually seek to shower money on the syedna and seek validation for their manhood by purchasing fancy sounding titles from the saifee palace supermarket.

several innovative uses for such humungous beards have emerged. one very prominent one is the deliberate trapping of wayward morsels of highly delicious foods, such as dal chawal palidu (DCP), which can be enjoyed later after shaking off one's luxurious tresses. the second one is the disguised 'invitation' by a nachto koodto dawoodi to an amte, wherein under the act of straightening out one's hairy curls, the gesture actually translates into a subtle signal to admiring females to 'come hither'... i am sure members have got the gist.

this whole strategem is similar to the goatee that most males tend to sport when they start losing hair on their head. in our case, the beard hides the fact that abdes have nothing else but their unkempt hair remaining...

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:44 pm

Al Zulfiqar wrote:purchasing fancy sounding titles from the saifee palace supermarket.
:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Unread post by londonwala » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:12 am

genesis wrote:WE have come across many photographs of Bohras in the early seventies with clean-shaven faces and wearing colorful shirts, lungies and shervanis in the masjids. Since when did the beard and the white dress become compulsory and why ?? Why the sudden awakening and change ? Why has appearance become foremost ?
Genesis
Going back to your original question, my memory tells me that the emphasis on beards began around 1979. It was at this time that Syedna issued his “irshadaat” and this was stressed to all bohras worldwide. I think there were seven points. As well as beards the irshadaat emphasised that women must wear ridas and bohras must stay clear of interest. I do not remember all the points, but I think they also included speaking dawat ni zaban and wearing saya-kurta.
You ask why this took place. I heard that Syedna had become very sad when he learnt that even his own children were involved in interest. They all asked for his forgiveness and subsequently the irshadaat was issued worldwide.

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Unread post by Rocksolid » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:56 am

forcing for beard and other things wont help, untill people are really taught about ISLAAM....

and moreover these things shud be taken as SUNNAH OF MUHAMMED(s) and not just an order by some religious scholar....

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:46 am

While on the subject of compulsory beard and RIDA I came across a comment from Mubarak which is as under :-

Book Name: Agr’rul Majalis
By: Shri Tahir Saifuddin (father of Burhannuddin sahib)
Published by: Sigtul Ishaat, Al Jamiya Saifiya, Surat, Gujrat, India
Precise Location: Last page of the book


When Molatina Umme Salma (r.a.) received the news of Imam Hussain (a..s.) martyrdom, (to mourn/grief) she placed black color clothed tent in Masjid-a-Nabwi and clad herself with black color cloths.

Shri Taher Saifuddin has issued this book and have categorically instructed all Aamils that during Moharram (Ay’yam-a-azadari) black color clothes should be used.

In the Fatimi Dawat literatures there is this statement that - in grief and mourn of Imam Hussain (a.s.) martyrdom the curtains of Kaba turned from some other color to black color .

Dawoodi Bohra Youth and Dawoodi Bohra Roshan Khayal Jamat be-hamdolillah clad themselves with black color clothes during ay’yam-a-azadari where as Burhannuddin sahib went against - the categorical and written orders of his own father and the established Islamic practice of all people beginning from Molatina Umme Salma (r.a.) wife of Prophet Mohammed (a.s.) and ordered his all followers a Yazeedi flavored order to wear colorful, rang-biranga clothes on martyrdom of Imam Hussain (a.s.) during ay’yam-a-azadari!!!

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... 25&p=56753

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Unread post by zinger » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:14 am

Al Zulfiqar wrote:

several innovative uses for such humungous beards have emerged. one very prominent one is the deliberate trapping of wayward morsels of highly delicious foods, such as dal chawal palidu (DCP), which can be enjoyed later after shaking off one's luxurious tresses.

haa haa haa, how did i miss this one :lol: :lol:

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:02 pm

zinger wrote:
Al Zulfiqar wrote:

several innovative uses for such humungous beards have emerged. one very prominent one is the deliberate trapping of wayward morsels of highly delicious foods, such as dal chawal palidu (DCP), which can be enjoyed later after shaking off one's luxurious tresses.
haa haa haa, how did i miss this one :lol: :lol:
you also missed the 2nd one:

"the second one is the disguised 'invitation' by a nachto koodto dawoodi to an amte, wherein under the act of straightening out one's hairy curls, the gesture actually translates into a subtle signal to admiring females to 'come hither'... i am sure members have got the gist. "