Dutch Islamophobe Reverts To Islam.

[ghulam muhammed]

Dutch Islamophobe reverts to Islam, offers prayers at Prophet’s Mosque

Madinah, April 22: Former Dutch Islamophobe and a former leading member of far-right Dutch politician Geert Wilders’ party Arnoud Van Doorn visited the Prophet’s Mosque in Madinah to pray and say sorry for becoming part of a blasphemous film.

Doorn was among the Freedom Party leaders who produced the blasphemous film, Fitna. Last month he reverted to Islam after an extensive study about the religion and the Prophet (peace be upon him).

He said that the worldwide outrage against the film made him study about the Prophet (pbuh) and that eventually led to his conversion.

He headed for Makkah to perform Umrah after meeting the two imams of the Prophet’s Mosque, Sheikh Ali Al-Hudaifi and Sheikh Salah Al-Badar, who enlightened him on how to lead the life of a good Muslim and confront challenges facing Islam in the West.

A member of the Dutch parliament and The Hague City Council, Doorn announced his decision to accept Islam on his Twitter profile. He also posted a tweet in Arabic declaring that “there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet.”

At first, other users took the news as a joke. After all, an active supporter of a notorious Dutch hater of Islam, Wilders, he repeatedly approved Islamophobic statements and public actions, and personally participated in them.

But Doorn, who now serves as a regional adviser at the City Hall in The Hague, personally confirmed his decision to practice Islam in an official letter to the city mayor.

Most recently, the politician filed a formal application to the mayor of the city to allow him to perform prayers obligatory for Muslims during his working hours.

“I can understand people are skeptic, especially that it is unexpected for many of them,” Doorn told Al-Jazeera English satellite channel.

“This is a very big decision, which I have not taken lightly.”

“In my own close circle people have known that I have been actively researching the Qur’an, Hadith, Sunnah and other writings for almost a year now,” he said.

“In addition, I have had numerous conversations with Muslims about the religion.”

Driven by his party’s anti-Islam discourse, Doorn decided to dig in for the truth about the religion himself.

“I have heard so many negative stories about Islam, but I am not a person who follows opinions of others without doing my own research,” he said. “Therefore, I have actually started to deepen my knowledge of Islam out of curiosity.”

The 46-year-old has continued on The Hague Council as an independent candidate since splitting from Wilders’s party. Doorn’s decision to embrace Islam has won mixed reactions in the Netherlands.

“According to some people I am a traitor, but according to most others I have actually made a very good decision,” he told Al-Jazeera.

“The reactions are generally positive and I also received quite some support via twitter.

“It feels good that people who do not know me personally have understanding of my situation and support me in my choice.”

Asked if he now regretted joining the Freedom Party, he replied: “I have learned that every experience in life has a purpose. However, with the knowledge I have today, I would have undoubtedly made a different choice.”

For the Dutch politician, finding Islam was finally guiding him to the true path in his life. “I have made mistakes in life as many others. From these mistakes I have learned a lot,” Doorn said.

“And by my conversion to Islam I have the feeling that I finally found my path. I realize that this is a new start and that I still have much to learn as well.”

http://muslimmirror.com/eng/dutch-islam ... ts-mosque/

[shapur]

“And by my conversion to Islam I have the feeling that I finally found my path. I realize that this is a new start and that I still have much to learn as well.”
Even the prophet became a Muslim and a believer only at 40.
Allah be praised. This quote of Van Doorn needs to be spread far and wide.

[Aymelek]

Even the prophet became a Muslim and a believer only at 40.

Br. Shapur,

So wat was prophet before age of 40, was he a non-believer?? Please clarify...

We Shias believe it otherwise.

[shapur]

Even the prophet became a Muslim and a believer only at 40.

Br. Shapur,

So wat was prophet before age of 40, was he a non-believer?? Please clarify...

We Shias believe it otherwise.

Br. Aymelek, I do not know why you have made the statement "WE SHIAS......." in an exclusive sense. Am I to believe that anyone who discusses Islam or Quran or the Prophet or Muslims is by default a non-shia ? While I attempt to clarify your query I request YOU to please open your heart and clarify this.

Secondly,I am not sure in what context you are referring to the word "non-believer".Is it belief in the existence of God,or the unity of God,or the revelation of God ? Because when I used the word"believer" I meant it as one who has given shahadah(declaration) to the existence and unity of God. Before the initiation of revelation, Mohammad's condition was of "one who was searching for the right path" and he was subsequently bestowed the divine guidance to the right path.The Quran adequately explains this condition in sura 42,verse 52:- " And thus did we reveal to you a book inspired by our command. You did not know what the book was, nor what faith was, but we made it a light guiding thereby whom we please of our servants and most surely you show the way to the right path" .The propagation of the whole message of Islam coming from the prophet was in fact a comprehensive proclamation of shahadah from the prophet thereby making him a "believer"in that sense. So much for the word"believer".

As for the word"Muslim" which I used. The word "muslim" has two separate connotations. In its general sense,the word is used for the conviction of submission to God.In this sense the prophet was a Muslim since the beginning and so was Adam and all the other prophets. But in its legal sense it is used for the person who believes in one God and recognises the prophethood of Mohammad. In this sense, obviously no one could have been a "Muslim" before the initiation of revelation- including the prophet himself.

[Aymelek]

Br. Aymelek, I do not know why you have made the statement "WE SHIAS......." in an exclusive sense. Am I to believe that anyone who discusses Islam or Quran or the Prophet or Muslims is by default a non-shia ? While I attempt to clarify your query I request YOU to please open your heart and clarify this.

Br. Shapur, Any person of any faith (muslim, non-muslim, sunni, shia, etc.) can discuss Islam or Quran or the Prophet. The context of using WE SHIAS ..was that Shias dont share the belief or rather do not subscribe to the belief that Prophet was a non-muslim or did not believe in God (Allah) before the revealation.

Because when I used the word"believer" I meant it as one who has given shahadah(declaration) to the existence and unity of God. Before the initiation of revelation, Mohammad's condition was of "one who was searching for the right path" and he was subsequently bestowed the divine guidance to the right path.

Br. in your statement below you have already mentioned that Prophet was a muslim from beginning in the sense he had submitted to the will of God which means he recognised the Tawheed of God. Then he is already a believer from beginning.

The word "muslim" has two separate connotations. In its general sense,the word is used for the conviction of submission to God.In this sense the prophet was a Muslim since the beginning and so was Adam and all the other prophets.

To add Shia theological perspective, they rely on the haidth from the Prophet where he has said that his Noor was the first of creations. Further, another hadith says that he was a prophet even before creation of Adam. Now if he was a Prophet how can he be not a believer in God's existence and unity. What happened in Cave of Hira was that Angle Gabriel informed Prophet that now is the time to declare his Prophetood. Shias do not believe that prophetood was bestowed in the Cave of Hira rather it was just a declaration of the existing status.
From the historical perspective, the whole of Sunni ummah agrees that Prophet before the revealation was on the religion of Abraham. Abrahamic religion was all about unity of God and accepting existence of one God. So in that sense all, Prophet was a believer.

In its legal sense it is used for the person who believes in one God and recognises the prophethood of Mohammad. In this sense, obviously no one could have been a "Muslim" before the initiation of revelation- including the prophet himself.

As I said above, he was already a Prophet before the creation of Adam, in that sense he was aware of his Prophethood and also believed in existence and tawheed of one God so he was a Muslim rather a Mumin even before creation of Adam.

Br. Shapur,
Shia Islam and Sunni Islam (leaving aside Wahabis) believe in the noorani aspect of Prophethood and in theology looks at the Prophet as a Noor who came as human in flesh and blood just to be a Guide to mankind.

I hope I have made it clear, anyways this discussion was never part of the Topic in which it is. This was only from academic point of view. My apologies for derailing this topic of conversion to Islam.

[shapur]

Br. Aymelek's quote :-
Br. Shapur,
Shia Islam and Sunni Islam (leaving aside Wahabis) believe in the noorani aspect of Prophethood and in theology looks at the Prophet as a Noor who came as human in flesh and blood just to be a Guide to mankind.


While I agree with you that we should not digress from the subject-matter of this thread and leave this discussion at that, I feel constrained to counter your above quote before signing off.

What you have written above is exactly what the Christians say of Jesus - only they go few steps further and say "god" in the place of "noor' . I find this difficult to digest especially since Allah has made the status of Muhammad as a human and" a messenger who was entrusted with His message" expressly clear in abundant passages:-

"And Mohammad is no more than a messenger like the other messengers who have already passed away before him"(3:144)

"Say: I am not the first of messengers and I do not know what will be done with me or with you.I do not follow anything but that which is revealed to me, and I am nothing but a plain warner"(46:9)

"Say: I do not say to you that I have with me the treasures of Allah,nor do know the unseen, nor do I say to you that I am an angel......."(6:50)

"Say: I do not control any benefit or harm for my own soul except as Allah pleases, and had I known the unseen I would have had much of good and no evil would have touched me....." (7:188)

"Mohammad is not the father of any of your men but he is a prophet and the last of the prophet and Allah is aware of all things" (33:40)

[Aymelek]

Br. Shapur,

Sorry I cant continue this dialogue, but will give you my last few thoughts on this:

He was and is a Noor and was a human.

Quran 5:15
"Undoubtedly, there has come to you from Allah a light and a clear book from Allah"

Many tafsirs point our that light here refers to the Noor of Prophet Muhammad. I would divulge on further details.

Quran 4:41
"How then shall it be when We bring forward from every nation a witness, and bring you (Prophet Muhammad) to witness against those!"

Prophet Muhammad is a witness to whole of mankind including those before him and those after him.

Quran 33:7
"When We took covenant from the Prophets and from you, and from Nuh and Ibrahim and Musa and Isa son of Maryam and We took from them a firm covenant"

The above ayaahs have been interpreted to show that Prophet was created even before other prophets.

Further there is hadith from Prophet saying that He was a Prophet while Adam was being created.

In the end, Allahu Alam.

[Muslim First]

aymalek

shapur wrote:
The word "muslim" has two separate connotations. In its general sense,the word is used for the conviction of submission to God.In this sense the prophet was a Muslim since the beginning and so was Adam and all the other prophets.

To add Shia theological perspective, they rely on the haidth from the Prophet where he has said that his Noor was the first of creations. Further, another hadith says that he was a prophet even before creation of Adam. Now if he was a Prophet how can he be not a believer in God's existence and unity. What happened in Cave of Hira was that Angle Gabriel informed Prophet that now is the time to declare his Prophetood. Shias do not believe that prophetood was bestowed in the Cave of Hira rather it was just a declaration of the existing status.

From the historical perspective, the whole of Sunni ummah agrees that Prophet before the revealation was on the religion of Abraham. Abrahamic religion was all about unity of God and accepting existence of one God. So in that sense all, Prophet was a believer.

There was no Shia sunni division for nearly 100 years so I do not understad why Shia believe prophet's noor was created first and other 240000 prophets came later etc.
Please post actual Shia Hadith and comparable sunni Hadith.

[Muslim First]

aymalek
What happened in Cave of Hira was that Angle Gabriel informed Prophet that now is the time to declare his Prophetood.

According to what source?

aymalek
Shias do not believe that prophetood was bestowed in the Cave of Hira rather it was just a declaration of the existing status.

belief as per what?

[shapur]

Br. Muslimfirst :-
There was no Shia sunni division for nearly 100 years so I do not understand why Shia believe prophet's noor was created first and other 240000 prophets came later etc.
Please post actual Shia Hadith and comparable sunni Hadith.


Firstly, a small correction (maybe big) : its actually 1,24,000 prophets.
Secondly, i want to add another point to your above poser to br.aymelek :- Shias also believe that moulana Ali preceded the prophet and was already with Allah on shab-e-meraaj when the prophet reached there. So then Moulana Ali's noor must have been created even before prophet mohammad's ?

[Muslim First]

shapur
Firstly, a small correction (maybe big) : its actually 1,24,000 prophets.

JAK for correction. I am posting from hospital room where I am getting clean up job for my Implanted assist device. Must be too many meds.

shapur
Secondly, i want to add another point to your above poser to br.aymelek :- Shias also believe that moulana Ali preceded the prophet and was already with Allah on shab-e-meraaj when the prophet reached there. So then Moulana Ali's noor must have been created even before prophet mohammad's ?

Prophet saw as far as all Shias are concerned was just a medium to identify Hz Ali as Imam or real owner of Islam frenchise or even Allah (read some posts on Ismali net).
Bottom line is Shias do not agree among themselves what is real Shia Islam is!!!! Or which line of Hz Ali's progeny owns Islam frenchise. They just go on making Riwayats. After few rounds they become facts.

[shapur]

Bro. Muslimfirst :-
JAK for correction. I am posting from hospital room where I am getting clean up job for my Implanted assist device. Must be too many meds.

No wonder there are no posts from you since some 10 days now, I guess. In fact when JC and Spring went ga(y)-ga(y) over your "same sex marriages" thread I was wondering why theres no counter from you. Hope everythings fine now and wish you a speedy recovery.

But just on the lighter side, why has the implant made you almost double the number of prophets ?

Even had the number actually been so, the tough-nut humans would still have questioned the existence , unity, revelations and religion of God,

[Muslim First]

But just on the lighter side, why has the implant made you almost double the number of prophets ?

My mechenical implanted device needs cleanup from inside. It is like radiator clean up job at Jiffy Lube. They run various drugs thru IV, some times in both hands. It is difficult to type so I must have hit 2 instead of 1 and did not correct it in edit. my stay at panthouse suite in this hospital could be long and may last a month, I might need major surgery to get new implant and old one taken out.

BTW I have curtailed my participation to this site since I am not allowed to post in 2 forums related to Bohras.
Even the progressive like to live in system and do not want to persue real alternative and that is revert to real Islam. They should reserch how Hz Ali and Hz Hussain practiced Islam and follow it.

[ghulam muhammed]

Former Anti-Islam Film-Maker, Arnoud Van Doorn, Peforms Hajj After Becoming Muslim

A Dutch politician who once helped produce a film depicting Islam as evil and extreme has performed the Hajj after declaring his conversion to the religion earlier this year.

Arnoud van Doorn has said he bitterly regrets his actions and wants to make amends by producing a film showing Islam in a positive light.

While on the Hajj, he told the Saudi Gazette: "I found myself among these faithful hearts. I hope that my tears of regret will wash out all my sins after my repentance.

"I felt ashamed standing in front of the Prophet’s grave. I thought of the grave mistake which I had made by producing that sacrilegious film. I hope that Allah will forgive me and accept my repentance."

Van Doorn used to be a leading member of the Party for Freedom in Netherlands, headed by the notorious Geert Wilders.

In 2008 he helped market a short film produced by Wilders entitled 'Fitna' (sedition) in which Islam is portrayed as a religion that promotes violence and terrorism.

It also depicted the Prophet Muhammad with a bomb on his head.

The film was widely condemned and caused uproar in the Muslim world.

Van Doorn shocked many - not least his friend Wilders - when he publicly announced his conversion to Islam in March this year.

He told Al Jazeera: "I can understand people are skeptic, especially that it is unexpected for many of them.

He later added: "I have heard so many negative stories about Islam, but I am not a person who follows opinions of others without doing my own research,” he said.

“Therefore, I have actually started to deepen my knowledge of the Islam out of curiosity.

“My colleague Aboe Khoulani from the City Council in The Hague has brought me further into contact with the as-Soennah mosque, which has guided me even further."

Van Doorn is also hoping to establish the first Islamic political party in Europe to represent Muslims on the continent.

His former colleague, Wilders, was temporarily banned from the UK for his extreme views on Islam.

Geert Wilders

The 49-year-old politician has gained notoriety in Europe and beyond in recent years for his strident criticism of the religion arguing that "moderate Islam" does not exist and that Muhammad, if alive today, would be "hunted down as a terrorist".

He has also campaigned against the "islamification of Europe" and called for a ban on the Koran, which he has compared to Hitler's Mein Kampf.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10 ... 41718.html