Questions to Abde Syyedna Burhanuddin sahab

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Re: Questions to Abde Syyedna Burhanuddin sahab

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Unread post by progticide » Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:47 am

badrijanab wrote:FAO: Aala Hazrat Janab Progticide sahab

Proof: Bombay High Court - Citations# 84 Ind Cas 759, date: 19 March, 1921. Further refer to 'Judgement' point# 9 and 11.
Badrijanab,
Your above post is a proof that you are a LIAR and a CHEAT. Not only that but you do not have the humility to accept your folly and retire from this discussion in the face of refutation.

You are supposed to provide material evidence to support your claim mentioned by you within "_" quotes above by bringing forth evidence published by the office of the Dai. What you are providing as evidence is from a third party. When one says that the President of US has said so and so, one is required to provide the evidence in the form of audio/video/print published by the office of the President of US, not something published by the office of the President of Russia or the President of UN. Do you now understand or should we assume that you are dumb enough to not understand this simple logic also?

Now since you have no such evidence, it is established that you are an Imposter claiming to be DB, but in reality you are a LIAR and a CHEAT.

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Re: Questions to Abde Syyedna Burhanuddin sahab

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Unread post by badrijanab » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:10 am

progticide wrote:
badrijanab wrote:FAO: Aala Hazrat Janab Progticide sahab

Proof: Bombay High Court - Citations# 84 Ind Cas 759, date: 19 March, 1921. Further refer to 'Judgement' point# 9 and 11.
Badrijanab,
Your above post is a proof that you are a LIAR and a CHEAT. Not only that but you do not have the humility to accept your folly and retire from this discussion in the face of refutation.

You are supposed to provide material evidence to support your claim mentioned by you within "_" quotes above by bringing forth evidence published by the office of the Dai. What you are providing as evidence is from a third party. When one says that the President of US has said so and so, one is required to provide the evidence in the form of audio/video/print published by the office of the President of US, not something published by the office of the President of Russia or the President of UN. Do you now understand or should we assume that you are dumb enough to not understand this simple logic also?

Now since you have no such evidence, it is established that you are an Imposter claiming to be DB, but in reality you are a LIAR and a CHEAT.

Tahir Saifuddin sahib has made claims that (1) his powers are equal to Prophet Mohammed, that (2) he is infallible and (3) he is God indeed! - These are first hand information, MATERIAL DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE - contended by Tahir Saifuddin sahib and are recorded by Bombay High Court.

Progticide, you are like Haam, son of Prophet Nooh - flood water reached till his neck still he rejected offer of Nooh a.s. to board ark. Has not he realized the truth is with Nooh? He did, but in his heart was "kina", hate for ark and Nooh, let Progticide (Haam) get drowned in flood with lies (Kothar) but will not board (truth) ark.

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Re: Questions to Abde Syyedna Burhanuddin sahab

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Unread post by progticide » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:42 am

badrijanab wrote:Kothar preaches to their subject, "In satr of Imam, Dai Mutlaq is masoom and is equal in status (authority, power, etc) of Imam."
Badrijanab,
You are indeed a LIAR and a CHEAT. Let me prove it here and now for everyone on this forum to see:

You started this topic with the above argument. When challenged to bring forth the evidence to establish your claim, you failed miserably. This happened because you yourself framed the above claim and passed its ownership to someone else. This proves that you are a LIAR.

When confronted with the challenge to produce evidence in support of your above claim (which has already been proved to be a lie fabricated by you) you conveniently changed tracks and digressed from the point of discussion which was in present tense to that in past tense (bringing in the events of late Dai-e-Mutlaq pertaining to a different event) and started quoting material unrelated to the above claim that you have made yourself. This proves that you are a CHEAT.

The onus of establishing the proof w.r.t. the above claim is still on you since you have come to a public forum claiming that someone has claimed to be so and so. Now produce the evidence to this effect.


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Re: Questions to Abde Syyedna Burhanuddin sahab

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:40 pm

progticide wrote:
badrijanab wrote:FAO: Aala Hazrat Janab Progticide sahab

Proof: Bombay High Court - Citations# 84 Ind Cas 759, date: 19 March, 1921. Further refer to 'Judgement' point# 9 and 11.
You are supposed to provide material evidence to support your claim mentioned by you within "_" quotes above by bringing forth evidence published by the office of the Dai. ...
pesticide,

let me understand your statement. are you trying to say that the office of the 52nd dai should have published the transcripts of the above mentioned bombay high court case and highlighted in them the claim (under oath) of syedna taher saifuddin that he is ILAH UL ARDH? i.e. provide proof in their own words that sts was a mushriq? do you or anyone in his right mind seriously expect his office to shoot sts in the foot? in fact they would have done all they could to hide and obfuscate his kufr filled statements, just as you are doing now, and just as sts tried to deceive and mislead the bohra world into believing that he had won the case by taking out a huge procession in the streets of bombay and declaring his fateh mubin! he could have fooled the world but not the high court, which cited him for contempt of court and warned him that if he did not desist he would be arrested and jailed.

your vehement protestations and attempts to bully members in bold caps only shows how desperate you and your slave masters are to throw a blanket of silence on this issue. let us get one thing clear, you and your fellow fanatic abdes, this is not your masjid/jamatkhana that you can hope to hoodwink us with your bullshit, lies and trickery. this is a forum of independent, fearless and intelligent non-abde bohras and muslims, who have the sense, smarts and reasoning to see through the garbage you spew out here.

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Re: Questions to Abde Syyedna Burhanuddin sahab

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Unread post by Anonymous2011 » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:04 pm

I missed this "bringing forth evidence published by the office of the Dai" portion of the post. Apparently, the statements recorded by the court of law is not proof enough for this abde! How can one argue with such a nut job?

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Re: Questions to Abde Syyedna Burhanuddin sahab

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:18 pm

you cannot and should not argue with such nuts. their place belongs inside a mental asylum, aka abde bohra jamaat!

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Re: Questions to Abde Syyedna Burhanuddin sahab

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:26 pm

Pesticide has put his foot in the mouth :mrgreen:

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Re: Questions to Abde Syyedna Burhanuddin sahab

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Unread post by progticide » Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:48 am

Anonymous2011 wrote:Apparently, the statements recorded by the court of law is not proof enough for this abde! How can one argue with such a nut job?
How can one argue with such an illiterate moron like you and all others above?

Now since you have acted oversmart let me show you your real place - Open the above link posted by you and read the second paragraph carefully and everyone else on this forum can read the same as well. Let me paste the same here, " As Sir Thomas Strangman, the Advocate-General, who filed the suit and appeared for the plaintiff throughout the trial, observes in his book "Indian Courts and Characters",
Infact the last paragraph establishes that this article is an account of the case by Strangman and not actually the verdict , "Concluding his account of this extraordinary case Strangman remarks".

So you morons, what are you really celebrating? This is not a Court judgement that you have pasted above. What you have produced above is an extract from the book written by the Advocate-General who filed the suit and appeared for the plaintiff. And the article itself gives the name of the author and the book.

So now who needs to rush to the mental asylum and who's put his foot in the mouth?

Badrijanab,
Short-lived excitement. You are established as a LIAR and a CHEAT.

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Re: Questions to Abde Syyedna Burhanuddin sahab

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:26 am

pesticide,

so you think you have found your eureka moment and can start jumping up and down in an orgasmic frenzy is it? well, here's your rebuttal:

if strangman's book contained inaccuracies and lies, WHY DID'NT TAHER SAIFUDDIN CHALLENGE HIM IN COURT? also if sts wanted to, HE COULD HAVE PUBLISHED HIS OWN VERSION of the events, but instead he chose to remain silent and hide his head in shame.

sts was a most murderously vindictive person, he would have never taken any false accusations lying down and would have done everything in his power to vindicate his reputation and self-claimed position as ilah ul ardh. the fact that he chose the path of silence clearly establishes his guilt, as was already proven in court.

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Re: Questions to Abde Syyedna Burhanuddin sahab

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Unread post by badrijanab » Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:13 am

progticide wrote:
Anonymous2011 wrote:Apparently, the statements recorded by the court of law is not proof enough for this abde! How can one argue with such a nut job?
How can one argue with such an illiterate moron like you and all others above?

Now since you have acted oversmart let me show you your real place - Open the above link posted by you and read the second paragraph carefully and everyone else on this forum can read the same as well. Let me paste the same here, " As Sir Thomas Strangman, the Advocate-General, who filed the suit and appeared for the plaintiff throughout the trial, observes in his book "Indian Courts and Characters",
Infact the last paragraph establishes that this article is an account of the case by Strangman and not actually the verdict , "Concluding his account of this extraordinary case Strangman remarks".

So you morons, what are you really celebrating? This is not a Court judgement that you have pasted above. What you have produced above is an extract from the book written by the Advocate-General who filed the suit and appeared for the plaintiff. And the article itself gives the name of the author and the book.

So now who needs to rush to the mental asylum and who's put his foot in the mouth?

Badrijanab,
Short-lived excitement. You are established as a LIAR and a CHEAT.
Haam (= Progticide) Sahab,

Proof I have provided is the "Judgement - point# 9 & 11" of the Bombay High Court - Citation # 84 Ind Cas 759, date: 19 March, 1921.

I have NOT provided proof as the summary of same posted on the Bombay High Court website.

Samze O' Progticide Ji, duniya ke sabse IMAANDAR aur AQALMAND insaan?! :)

Refer the ORIGINAL judgement (point# 9 and 11) and not to the summary quoted by Sir Strangman. The summary on Bomay High Court website is one page long without any "Judgement Point numbers". Refer the original judgement, it runs in dozen pages and in it refer to Judgement point# 9 and 11 - their you will learn blasphemy, lies and sin committed by Tahir Saifuddin sahib.

Now the DOCUMENTARY PROOF IS THERE OF BEIMAANI AGANIST FATIMI DAWAT COMMITTED BY TAHIR SAIFUDDIN SAHAB, SO LETS SEE PROGTICIDE FIRST LOYALTY IS WITH FATIMI DAWAT (i.e. with Allah) OR WITH ENEMY OF FATIMI DAWAT (= TAHIR SAIFUDDIN SAHAB)?

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Re: Questions to Abde Syyedna Burhanuddin sahab

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:32 pm

Let us look at the main observations :-

As Sir Thomas Strangman, the Advocate-General, who filed the suit and appeared for the plaintiff throughout the trial, observes in his book "Indian Courts and Characters", the case is remarkable not only for its length, but for the amazing claims put forward on behalf of the Mullaji, the like of which have never been put forward in any Court of Law.

The question turned upon certain peculiar religious tenets of the Dawoodi Borahs and the peculiar position of the Mullaji Saheb in the eyes of his followers. According to the contentions put forward on his behalf there could be no trust enforceable in a Court of Law in regard to these properties, for the Mullaji, as ultimate representative of God on earth, was infallible and immaculate; he was accountable only to the "Imam in seclusion", whose immediate representative he was.

In the 16th century the Dai ceased to be Sultani in Yemen and migrated to Guzerat. The Mullaji against whom the suit was filed was the Fifty-first Dai, the line having been carried on by the holder of the office appointing, during his lifetime, his successor. As Sultanis in Yemen the Dais no doubt had sovereign powers: it was not claimed that any of these sovereign powers survived after their migration to India.

Although the defendants admitted that on the death of the Dai the properties passed on to his successor in office, they still argued that there was no charitable trust enforceable in a court of law, and that the Mullaji Saheb was not accountable to anybody except the Imam in seclusion. The argument was based on the tenet that the Mullaji Saheb was the representative of God on earth and as such was infallible and immaculate; he was also the Master not only of the property, but also of the mind, body and soul of each of his followers who were bound to obey him implicitly and could not question his acts. The defendants contended that infallibility was inconsistent with accountability as a trustee, and mastership was inconsistent with trusteeship. The Dai was the absolute owner of the Gulla offerings given to him as "Dhani", "Malik" or owner.

In the earlier stages of the trial, it was contended for the defendants that the Mullaji Saheb was in fact God, or for all practical purposes God, and that this suit was a sacrilege. This contention was, however, eventually withdrawn.

He said that the Dai's powers were at least thrice delegated: viz. by God to the Prophet, by the Prophet to the Imam, and by the Imam to the Dai-ul-Mutlak. The Judge wound up this part of the defendants' case with the trenchant remark, "spiritual heads of communities are not generally remarkable for the modesty with which they state their pretensions".

Referring to the religious books on which the defendants relied, the judge observed that in none of those books was there any indication of the claim, which the Mullaji was specifically putting forward, as regards the Dai being the absolute owner of everything appertaining to the community.

Moreover, the defendants could not produce a single instance of such extreme claims having been exercised by any Mullaji prior to the present suit; and the defendants' own witnesses made it clear that these claims were at best purely theoretical.

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Re: Questions to Abde Syyedna Burhanuddin sahab

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Unread post by Maqbool » Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:39 am

So now it is proved that progti is not believing that Sayedna is masoom, Not a God on earth and hakiki Kaba!

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Re: Questions to Abde Syyedna Burhanuddin sahab

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Unread post by badrijanab » Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:05 am

badrijanab wrote:
progticide wrote: How can one argue with such an illiterate moron like you and all others above?

Now since you have acted oversmart let me show you your real place - Open the above link posted by you and read the second paragraph carefully and everyone else on this forum can read the same as well. Let me paste the same here, " As Sir Thomas Strangman, the Advocate-General, who filed the suit and appeared for the plaintiff throughout the trial, observes in his book "Indian Courts and Characters",
Infact the last paragraph establishes that this article is an account of the case by Strangman and not actually the verdict , "Concluding his account of this extraordinary case Strangman remarks".

So you morons, what are you really celebrating? This is not a Court judgement that you have pasted above. What you have produced above is an extract from the book written by the Advocate-General who filed the suit and appeared for the plaintiff. And the article itself gives the name of the author and the book.

So now who needs to rush to the mental asylum and who's put his foot in the mouth?

Badrijanab,
Short-lived excitement. You are established as a LIAR and a CHEAT.
Haam (= Progticide) Sahab,

Proof I have provided is the "Judgement - point# 9 & 11" of the Bombay High Court - Citation # 84 Ind Cas 759, date: 19 March, 1921.

I have NOT provided proof as the summary of same posted on the Bombay High Court website.

Samze O' Progticide Ji, duniya ke sabse IMAANDAR aur AQALMAND insaan?! :)

Refer the ORIGINAL judgement (point# 9 and 11) and not to the summary quoted by Sir Strangman. The summary on Bomay High Court website is one page long without any "Judgement Point numbers". Refer the original judgement, it runs in dozen pages and in it refer to Judgement point# 9 and 11 - their you will learn blasphemy, lies and sin committed by Tahir Saifuddin sahib.

Now the DOCUMENTARY PROOF IS THERE OF BEIMAANI AGANIST FATIMI DAWAT COMMITTED BY TAHIR SAIFUDDIN SAHAB, SO LETS SEE PROGTICIDE FIRST LOYALTY IS WITH FATIMI DAWAT (i.e. with Allah) OR WITH ENEMY OF FATIMI DAWAT (= TAHIR SAIFUDDIN SAHAB)?

Progticide Ji, gayab ho gaye! Lagta he Fatimi Dawat ki noorani roshni me Progticide Ji ke dil me Kothar ka kaala andhera gayab ho gaya!

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Re: Questions to Abde Syyedna Burhanuddin sahab

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:26 pm

all these vehement foaming-at-the-mouth abde fanatics share a common trait. they will come in swinging, yelling in caps, throwing so-called punches right and left, doing the mohammed ali dance, then when licked, beaten up and roundly defeated, retreat, hide somewhere for a few weeks/months and re-surface after having imbibed some phoonk nu paani and faize mawaid, hoping to have acquired miraculous powers and immunity.

the cycle is then repeated, the idiot is hammered, taken to saifee hospital, and sent into the ring again to receive some more pasting! either these retards have an amazingly inflated idea of their intellectual prowess or are actually perverts with sado-masochistic tendencies.