Humsafar wrote:No, there is no answer to my question in your post. I'm not playing any games, I don't have to.
What are you so afraid of my friend? Nobody is forcing you to reply, so if you do then debate properly, otherwise why bother at all? Here let me show you again how easy it is... just take each point and make a comment about it :-
I'm not putting up an act here like you are by pretending to be smart and superior and know-all.
Actually you very much are bro... all I'm doing is giving you a dose of reality, which is something you'd rather not face. This is understandable as arrogant people always want to believe they are perfect and can do no wrong. Unfortunately, the only way to move forward is to accept that we are imperfect and should try and do things better if they aren't working (which they clearly aren't). Thinking that everything is just fine and that amazing progress is being made, will, is, holding us back.
You think you can impress people here by your swagger. Fat chance.
Your famously arrogant ego rears its ugly head again my friend. Please keep your feet on the ground bro. I am not important and neither are you - nobody is trying to impress anyone. We are just pixels on a screen which disappear when the computer is turned off. Get a grip Hero!
By the way, when you say swagger, you must mean my humiliation of Sunni Snakes... why does that bother you; have you become a Sunni too? I took you for an intelligent man H, why would you do such a thing? We are supposed to be trying to rid the DB community of the Kothar, not the Panjatan...
You have won over only zinger
The Zingster is a cool dude and a far better man than me. He is one of the few people worthy of respect around here and both of us can learn much from him and his eminently fair and balanced perspective. The fact we agree on many things is due to our God-given intellect and personal character - not because he's won me over or I've won him over. As time passes I'm sure me and Zinger bro will disagree on many things too, however when that happens, I'll put it down to the fact that people have their own individual opinions - I won't start saying that you have "won" him over now lol!
Honestly man, it's a shame you think of this forum as a fight against each other... instead of a fight against the Kothar.
and that unfortunately is not saying much.
Why dude why? What was the point of you saying something so nasty about one of the most polite and level-headed dudes on the forum? (I would understand if Zinger was a Sunni Snake, but he isn't!)
It's you and me arguing here, yet you decided to spit in the face of someone else, whom I've never seen say a bad word about you. What the hell is wrong with you Apostates? Don't take the anger you have at me, out on other people... you got shit to say, say it to me, I'm right here in front of you!
And you seem to be trying too hard. You don't have to.
Yes I do - it's holiday time so I've got to waste my time doing something lol!
There is no need be confrontational and aggressive because you have not earned the right to be so.
I'm not confrontational at all - I am reactive... cause and effect dude. By the way, who gives out this imaginary "right" you speak of... you?
You have done nothing to demand better things and greener pastures.
Hold your horses there big guy... the fact that Samma Pux youngsters don't even know how to pray Namaaz, are involved in every vice imaginable, are living in sin with White girls and running away with Black guys... is somehow my fault? Are you freaking serious?
The reason why the Kothar is so powerful today is because we DBs, particularly our ancestors, were too weak and foolish to stand up to them. We lacked any vestiges of unity so the Goondas easily picked us off one by one. As the years and generations have gone by, the Kothar slowly but surely, gained such a strong-hold that they are now fully entrenched. Kinda reminds me of how a tiny island like England, managed to rule over a vast nation like India for so long...
Anyway before I get distracted lol... the point I'm making is that this situation is our own fault - DBs allowed all this shit to happen to our community. I'm as guilty as the next man, as are my parents and grand parents and great grandparent (and indeed yours). Therefore I personally and completely accept my share of the blame for this mess... which is why I'm looking to make amends. It was our garden, and we are the ones responsible for the grass dying beneath our feet, nobody else.
In exactly the same manner, you people are 100% responsible for your own garden too, You have to clean it up yourselves. And Yes, I can, and will, demand (beg!) that you do clean it up - in the same way that you expect DBs to make every effort to stand up for themselves.
The biggest issue to remember though, is what happens if we fail :-
For me, the Kothar will continue to drain us financially, but we can live with that by working harder. They will continue to twist Islam to serve their own agenda, but we can survive by using the Quran and the Ahlul Bayt as our guide instead of the corrupt Kothar.
For you, the future is bleak... because you'll not survive at all my friend, a few generations from now, you will become extinct - this is happening as we speak and you know it.
If you guys solve these problems and do make your side of the fence greener - you will find an avalanche of new supporters and outright converts... if you don't, shit just stays the same as it has for years now.
Besides, if you don't like what reformists are doing or have done, then that's fine. If you don't want to go down that road that's fine too. Forge your own path. Do something for yourself by yourself.
That is eventually what will happen, without any doubt whatsoever... if/when the current Reform Movement fizzles out, it will be replaced by a "New" Reform Movement run by a smarter and more productive generation... hopefully I'll be alive to be part of it, but most certainly my children will be (whereas your children probably won't, if you don't act now to repair the ongoing damage).
Actually, seeing as I want my kids to grow up to be lawyers, they may well be the "leaders" of the NRM - man that would be sweet, wouldn't it! You know for sure they'll be kicking ass in the real world, instead of just wasting time on the internet like you and me lol!
Then you will feel less stuffed-up and may even begin to notice that our objectives - end of religious and financial corruption of the Dawat - are the same.
I have never thought otherwise - why is it that you do?
We can work together instead of against each other.
Like I said above, lets drop the arrogance and petty squabbling and give it a shot. (I'd rather reserve that for the Sunni Snakes lol!)
You're educated and intelligent, use your good fortune to do something meaningful instead of squandering it away by picking up silly egotistic arguments.
Somebody has to respond to the Ugly Sunni Propaganda around here lol - I don't see you doing much so you must be "won" over by them, right? Which reminds me, I really should start a thread about Aisha...
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