Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#841

Unread post by shehzada » Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:55 pm

is someone keeping a list of the important people moving to the SKQ camp?
1) Former Indian Supreme Court Judge (AM Ahmadi )
2) Khorakiwala Family
3) ?...

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#842

Unread post by shehzada » Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:57 pm

voice wrote:Unconfirmed reports but interesting to know,

1) Mr.Ahemadi
(Former Chief Justice of India)
has joined Qutbi Dawat and advising SKQ

2) Habil Khorakiwala
(Wokhardt Chairman)
joined Qutbi Dawat .He is reachest man of bohra community..

3) Mr Muchala
(Advocate Supreme Court)
joined Qutbi Dawat for property cases

4) Shk Mohsinbhai Ezzy
(Industrialist San Francisco USA)
also joined Qutbi Dawat.

Sorry - just saw this...Let's keep this going:)

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#843

Unread post by Mazakyo » Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:06 pm

shehzada wrote:is someone keeping a list of the important people moving to the SKQ camp?
1) Former Indian Supreme Court Judge (AM Ahmadi )
2) Khorakiwala Family
3) ?...

3. Shehzada

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#844

Unread post by shehzada » Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:31 pm

Mazakyo wrote:
shehzada wrote:is someone keeping a list of the important people moving to the SKQ camp?
1) Former Indian Supreme Court Judge (AM Ahmadi )
2) Khorakiwala Family
3) ?...

3. Shehzada[/quote


Nice:) - I wish I had that much conviction and belief to take a stand for either side. This drama however did introduce me to this blog....

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#845

Unread post by seriousnessisamess » Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:58 am

shehzada

its a critical situation for a lot,of,family.So don't say its a drama.Lots of things are on,steak .

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#846

Unread post by Fakhruddinsuratwala » Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:08 am

Jamali wrote:
trvoice wrote:Pretty much unconfirmed truth. But if its correct then these are the 1%ers that control pretty much 99%, and are absolutely the best people in the game, This game is getting really interesting.

[/i]

Well it seems the intelligent folks seem to know where the truth lies. This in perspective proves the mentality and intelligence of the rest of the Community in general. The so called 1% of the elite chooses a side and these are intelligent people for sure as otherwise they wouldn't have such achievements to support them. I so hope this info is true as then there is hope that the community can be made to think and analyse their religious choices too.
Well well...I dont think it is about bieng intelligent...It is above making the right choice and do you know what is the right choice...Judges or Industrialist dont make the community...It needs a lot more than that...Lets wait and watch.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#847

Unread post by white_pigeon » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:35 am

1) Mr.Ahemadi
(Former Chief Justice of India)
has joined Qutbi Dawat and advising Khouzema

2) Habil Khorakiwala
(Wokhardt Chairman)
joined Qutbi Dawat .He is reachest man of bohra community..

3) Mr Muchala
(Advocate Supreme Court)
joined Qutbi Dawat for property cases

4) Shk Mohsinbhai Ezzy
(Industrialist San Francisco USA)
also joined Qutbi Dawat..
Laanat na mushtahik thai gaya aa badha... insan bani Dai ni dua levu raas na aayu...khuda ni lanaat aa badha par

The Lannat party is ALL OUT ONCE AGAIN.
LAANAT-E-DAWAT should be the new name of Muffy Camp.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#848

Unread post by Jamali » Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:25 am

In perspective; this rift is actually a blessing in disguise as this will truly differentiate who is truly religiously inclined in terms of reasoning and right verses wrong. I am not saying that Maula Khuzeima is on the right path but one thing is for sure; Maula Mufaddal is not. Maula Mufaddal has not shown any quality of a true Dai and all we hear from him is Laanat. I am sure if you observe a street hooligan who is challenged will always in most cases resort to foul language and you really cant help making comparisions. A persons character is also somewhat represented by the people he is associated with and Qaiz Johar is akin to the Mafia. People who know him and have dealt with him know of his arrogance and attitude towards Momineen and he is a very power hungry man. He is an astute businessman who love for money sees no bounds.

Maula Khuzeimas side has been keeping a low profile but the educational background of his children is pretty impressive. With support of these few emminent people in the community, it surely brings out an educated version of the dawat. I think the Bohras have come to a cross roads where they have to chose from being associated with the educated kind who may or may not progress the community verses an uneducated side who is surely headed for doom. Interesting to watch....

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#849

Unread post by white_pigeon » Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:45 pm

Jamali wrote:In perspective; this rift is actually a blessing in disguise as this will truly differentiate who is truly religiously inclined in terms of reasoning and right verses wrong. I am not saying that Maula Khuzeima is on the right path but one thing is for sure; Maula Mufaddal is not. Maula Mufaddal has not shown any quality of a true Dai and all we hear from him is Laanat. I am sure if you observe a street hooligan who is challenged will always in most cases resort to foul language and you really cant help making comparisions. A persons character is also somewhat represented by the people he is associated with and Qaiz Johar is akin to the Mafia. People who know him and have dealt with him know of his arrogance and attitude towards Momineen and he is a very power hungry man. He is an astute businessman who love for money sees no bounds.

Maula Khuzeimas side has been keeping a low profile but the educational background of his children is pretty impressive. With support of these few emminent people in the community, it surely brings out an educated version of the dawat. I think the Bohras have come to a cross roads where they have to chose from being associated with the educated kind who may or may not progress the community verses an uneducated side who is surely headed for doom. Interesting to watch....
SKQ knows he is dealing with a hooligan.
Hooligans usually get screwed over because of their own acts.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#850

Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:22 pm

Asalam'alykum Brothers and Sister,

This is an excerpt from believesyednaqutbuddin.com
Reason # 36: The Illustrious Histories of Past Mazoons AQ In Da‘wat – True Paragons of True Khidmat
Of all the 56 personalities that adorned the High station of Mazoon (that this scribe could locate) two stand out like a sore thumb; Ali bin Ibrahim & the present ex-Mazoon Khuzaima Qutbuddin. Ali bin Ibrahim’s followers (the Alawi Bohras) claim that he never served as the Mazoon of the 29th Dai Syedna Abdul Tayyeb Zakiuddin RA since he claimed that position (the rank of the 29th Dai) for himself. To justify his claim that “The Dai only appoints as Mazoon one who is a true embodiment of imaan and one who he trusts implicitly”, the present Muddai will undoubtedly have to explain the anomaly in the case of Ali bin Ibrahim by either claiming esoteric knowledge hidden from others or by championing the false belief advocated by the Alawi Bohras that Ali bin Ibrahim wasn’t appointed to the position of Mazoon (a belief refuted by all Dawoodi Bohras and attested to in our books for more than four centuries). In any case he will surely repudiate and reject historical facts in lieu of his whimsical and farfetched interpretation.

HEIGHT OF HYPOCRISY......AND DAY BEFORE ALAVI'S CAME TO MEET MUFFY!

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#851

Unread post by Sceptical » Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:30 pm

great hypocrisy is here
The name of the blog was chosen from the inspiring narrative of the only one Syedna Qutbuddin al-Shahid RA, the 32nd Dai, who stood strong in the face of tyranny and oppression and reminded us that although one can try and harm your body they can never harm your soul. He showed us how truth always prevails and ultimately brings about harmony and peace. Please take the content on this website to unite together in an bounding love which is so enduring and everlasting that its presence itself can show others who wish to separate and divide us that their efforts will go in vain. That is our only message.
nb : I'm not in SKQ's camp nor SMS's camp at this time, I'm just seeking for truth.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#852

Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:45 pm

It seems that Muffy's PR agents have told him in no uncertain terms that he has made himself a laughing stock by encouraging Laanats and abuses on SKQ and that this move of his is actually backfiring on his camp !! Hence they have now coined a new word for SKQ.......... "Daavedar" (Claimant)

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#853

Unread post by SBM » Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:52 pm

JUST GOT NEWS THAT MURTAZA DAHODWALA ALSO JOINED SKQ CAMP, can anyone verify?
If that is the case all the smart and intelligent people are joining SKQ while Ghetas are staying with SMB

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Dawoodi Bohra succession issue: former chief justice pledges

#854

Unread post by sumi » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:41 am

So how can the chief justice help :

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 78939.aspx

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra succession issue: former chief justice ple

#855

Unread post by true_bohra » Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:15 am

This reply of the former CGI has made KQ's stand very loose. He pledged that he maintained the nass ni amanat till Syenda Mohammed Burhanuddin breathed his last and declared himself to be the true dai only after that. While the article mentions that CGI had seen all the documents and gave his support to KQ during Syedna Muqaddas life only. So can we believe in KQ and his claims.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra succession issue: former chief justice ple

#856

Unread post by sumi » Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:38 am

This qutbi bohra issue was never a secret and i found this was discussed a long time back in this very forum before SMB DIED. One of the qutbi spokepersons on this forum had clearly stated that we will raise this issue only after the daee dies.
KHUZEMA just did not want to make an issue while the daee is alive as they would use the comatose body of SMB to get false signatures and thumb prints. I am sure khuzema is not lying on this matter. Ideally the central govt should sieze control over these institutions like khawaja durgah act 1955 and place educated people among the reformists like Poonawala, Insaf, Humsafar etc on governing body.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra succession issue: former chief justice ple

#857

Unread post by true_bohra » Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:11 am

ya but havent you heard his video saying that I maintained the amaanat of nass. If he was true he should have raised an objection publicly at that time only.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra succession issue: former chief justice ple

#858

Unread post by sumi » Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:53 am

this secret was like a scent for him . It was not possible to keep it secret.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra succession issue: former chief justice ple

#859

Unread post by true_bohra » Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:14 am

then why is he hopping so much about it in his videos. If this scent was not possible to be kept secret, then his kids must have smelled it. Then why abdeali in his video stating that nass was done on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra succession issue: former chief justice ple

#860

Unread post by trvoice » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:02 pm

sumi wrote:So how can the chief justice help :

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 78939.aspx
I have met Justice Ahmedi back in 90's, so to answer how can he help ? He is an ex CJ of India
Well connected
Highly respected
Government trusted
His opinion is more than just words, they might be considered an encryption in stone
With his past services to Govt of India, no lawyer not even ram jethmalani would doubt his opinion.
Again CJI are known to be under oath and are considered Oath keepers.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#861

Unread post by Confusd_DB » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:13 pm

What will be the expected attendance in skqs misaaq

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#862

Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:18 pm

If supposedly bohras give mithaq to SKQ saheb, then matters will get more complicated since both the parties will have figures to show, and then it will become more confusing because till now SMB saheb RA and SMS names were in oath and even SKQ sahebs name. so in court of law each parties will show followers of them, to obtain the trust (dawat e hadiya), but i think dawat e hadiya will be won by SKQ he is the right successor according to me and secondly SKQ had been mentioned for past 50 years of dawat, SMS had just made a recent entrance.

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ghazal explaining SKQ sahebs condition!

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:52 pm

Ghazal wriiten by Faiz Sahab

sung by Ghazal singer Abida Parveen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrGaeg_PXsI

english translation

Your sorrow needed blood to nurture, (alas!) your sacrificial enthusiasts have left. Those who were longing for their turn, (alas!) they were swept away by the time’s tide.

After being defeated by your deafening apathy, (alas!) the night of longing elapsed. At my dogged determination, all my sympathizers left.

There left no question of blissful communion, nor the renditions of sorrow, neither tales nor complaints. In your reign, all the rights of bemoaning heart subsided.

It was me who was cloaked in the robe of accusation. But proudly wearing those scars I reached the counsel of my beloved.

The passions of love and fidelity no longer exist; what would you do of gallows and chains then? Those who hailed the vice of love, (alas!) those transgressors have left.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#864

Unread post by shehzada » Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:10 pm

There are rumors that the Qutbi misaq ceremonies in the US locations (Feb 4th 2014) may take place at the current bohra Masjid/Markaz in Chicago, Bakersfield and the Philly Suburbs. The Abde's in those cities are encouraged to form human shields in those locations to prevent the "Munafiq's" from entering.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#865

Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:16 pm

QL,

thanks for your compliments.

yes, i am a man of action and i live by my principles and guts, but lets not forget that i have been very fortunate to be in that happy circumstance where i have carefully and very deliberately reduced (and even completely cut in certain instances), my ties with the bohra jamaat. whether it is business wise, socialising, religious need or slavish adherence to the whole regime of obtaining raza for everything. i stay in a western country where i personally have no close relations, my wife does though, but we couldnt care less about them as they are all mindless fanatics, i have a world-view outlook and am not dependent on the bohra jamaat for anything,

but it is also wrong to paint all those who cannot leave as being cowards and spineless hypocrites. i have personally seen many a family wanting desperately to break away, but held back because of a myriad factors: familial ties, business network which is closely intertwined with bohra traders, wives and mothers fearful of getting their daughters married, staying in a congested bohra locality and unable to move out due to lack of funds, old parents in frail health who will have to be buried soon, deep in financial trouble, and too caught up in personal and emotional turmoil to act on breaking away. it is but natural that one empathises with such folks who are trapped. no matter how hard one tries, one cannot bring oneself to hate them.

where it really gets my goat though, is where affluent well-educated bohras, who have all the right conditions to rebel and show spine, who should be aware that the darn amil and his henchmen need them and will hate to see their coffers deprived of such bohras' contributions, yet they do nothing to help the cause of reform. they will not speak up, will take pride in saying that 'hamein to varas ma be chaar vaqat aj jaiye chhe'. these people are well-connected in the corridors of power, move in elite social circles and yet kow tow to these kothari brigands.

those who talk a lot against the corrupt clergy, abuse them, ridicule them and show off their bravado - 'arey me to amil ne aam kidhu, ne olu kidhu', and then do not take any assertive/postive action are COWARDS and with their constant whining have become bitter cynics and nothing else. often i find myself in the midst of such garrulous harpies, all yapping away, showering the choicest gaali-galoch on the 'establishment', each taking pride in passing more shocking remarks than the other. i look on amusedly, and after all their bhadaas has died down, ask a very simpe and non-aggressive question, 'so what do you intend to do about it?' this is usually immediately followed by a very pregnant and prolonged silence, punctuated only by heavy sighs of resignation and pathos. the silence is only broken by some very brave soul who finally confesses, as if tacitly on everyone's behalf - 'bhai su karsu'. it goes without saying, then why sit around king arthur's round table and waste one's time and energy, a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing?

i have realised that the more one attempts to argue with die-hard abdes, the more they will reject you and hate you. the barriers in their ears, eyes and brains seal shut and all that they now perceive is an insult to themselves and their long held beliefs. the best example to them of courage is when you walk away, and show contempt for their slavish adherence to all these ridiculous and exploitative systems designed to turn them into worse than animals, if you can demonstrate in practical terms that you can live without all these suffocating restrictions, then the majority are aghast at your dare devilry. of course some quickly conclude that you are either stark raving mad or destined for hell! as if i cared for their opinions.

i am also asked mundane but also very practical questions by some - 'bachhao ni shadi kem karavso? pachi nikah nu su? koi guzri jaase to? tamne majlis karavi hase to? nava ghar ma darees nai karavo?' its hilarious, but at the same time so very pathetic that one feels sorry to realise how restricted they have become in their thinking. i have found ingenious and creative ways of avoiding all the wolves, predators and blood-thirsty vampires who would suck my blood, and still fulfill my religious needs if i want to.

i have met many supremely pious human beings, muslims, christians etc... of all stripes and faiths, who actually did not subscribe to any traditional, orthodox religious methodology, did not attend masjid, church or gurdwara, but were most ethical, moral and spiritual people. one could not but help admire their integrity, maturity and spiritual calm. such people leave a very powerful impression on your psyche.

i wish the bohras well as a community, always have, always will. they have for centuries been beacons of light, held up to other communities as an example of piety, simplicity, generosity, honesty, business acumen, love and care. they were highly respected by the hindu and muslim raja's over centuries and later even by the british. a sterling philantropic community of cultured, god-fearing and mild bohras has been turned into the grotesque distortions we see today.

as a son cannot deny his biological links with his parents, so too i cannot deny my bohra roots. but to affirm my roots i do not have to lick anyone's soles nor be kicked and spat upon by rascals who will still rob and plunder me. it is possible to remain a bohra, but an uninvolved one, in isolation as it were, and watch the tamashas from afar.

p.s. my bold green fonts have been commented upon by many. i am neither trigger happy nor have an unhealthy addiction to green in large doses. it is just my puny little effort to deny that great charlatan - adam - his wish to mobilise all his fanatic colleagues on this forum by making them employ the green font! when i do not give a damn for a bloody 2 bit zaada, then who the hell is adam?? his stupid efforts to identify his co-retards are asking to be defeated by a resounding kick in the pants.


Qutbi-Londoner wrote:
Al Zulfiqar wrote:although i had lost all interest in bohra matters, having given up all relations with the bohra jamaat and relegating their issues to the back burner as no longer of my concern
Well done bro!

You've clearly shown that you are a man of principle, and more importantly, a man of action instead of just talk (like so many people on this forum)... you decided to leave Bohra'ism and took the drastic step of actually doing it - cutting all ties and without looking back. This takes real gumption and guts.

You stopped posting here immediately because, like you say, it is no longer of your concern - as you've found another, better, path for your faith and family... and I wish you the very best on your new journey. (Although I do hope you've joined another Shia community, and haven't gone over to the dark Sunni side now?)

You are an example to many on this site, who hate the Bohra Community with the utmost intensity... yet don't do anything about it - apart from wasting their time whining here for years on end. Even a few who have left, still post here... almost as if they regret their decision.

It's quite sad and makes me think of a guy who divorced his wife - but instead of forgetting about her and getting on with his life... he still keeps tabs on her, constantly watching what she's doing, where she's going, who she's seeing etc... such a tragically pathetic character who is obviously stuck in the past, and simply doesn't have the courage, strength and wherewithal, to move on.

You deserve a round of applause my friend - if you dislike the Bohra Community, you should forget they even exist and find a better home... it's a great shame that nobody else here has what it takes to follow in your mighty footsteps.

Once again, I wish you a warm-hearted farewell and hope you find happiness and contentment in your new religious life... so you never need to involve yourself again with any side of the Bohra community.

Live Long & Prosper Dude!

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A quote that fits the present situation in bohra world

#866

Unread post by wise_guy » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:07 pm

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."

- Margaret Mead

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#867

Unread post by voice » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:31 pm

white_pigeon wrote:So USA, INDIA and now UK Locations are confirmed for Misaq of SKQ officially on their website.
Hearing that many more countries are ready to follow too.

USA – West Coast:
Shehzada Taher bhaisab Qutbuddin
Bakersfield, CA
Phone: 661-221-5753

USA – Midwest:
Abduz Zahir bhaisab Mohyuddin
Chicago, IL
Phone: 630-880-8142

USA – East Coast:
Dr. Moiz bhaisab Mohyuddin
Stroudsburg, PA
Phone: 570-426-1091

United Kingdom:
Shk. Mohammed bhai Raja
Leicester, UK
Phone: 0-116-291-0243
So, all those who are in UK, please be updated.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#868

Unread post by Bohra spring » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:00 am

Seriously why does SKQ need misaq, their admins need to know misaq is a fake oath

How would they know if I took misaq at both camps

All they should care is registered members

Stop provoking arguments

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#869

Unread post by voice » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:13 am

wise_guy wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qutbi_Bohra

The Qutbi Bohra [3] trace their belief system back to Udaipur where it evolved from Progressive Dawoodi Bohra (PDB) :shock: :roll:

Who has written this page !
I think its deliberate attempt to make SKQ legally weak regarding Nass issue.

linaro
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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#870

Unread post by linaro » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:38 am

I just saw the waaz today where Mufaddal Saifuddin showed a proof of Nass write by SMB five years ago, and invited SKQ to join the dawaat once again.
p.s -> Now i guess the policy is changed by SMcamp.