Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

[Fatema MN]

@fulan ibn fulan
He is a proud father and he is very proud that his children have earned their doctorates. They are all well deserved, so what's wrong if he wants their names to be said correctly with the 'Dr.'? The video you are referring to is part of an official majlis, so I guess protocol demands that all names be announced with respect and with all the associated titles.

[SBM]

KQ definately doesn't like it when you don't refer to them as doctor. Have you not seen the video where they don't referto BT as Dr and he starts waving his hands around telling them to correct it. So while they may not kill you I am sure they will ask for forgiveness and possibly some dirty looks as well

They got their Ph D working hard and studying while Qaid Chor bought the fake PhD and then all the abdes did special Darees and felicitated him at the big show off event arranged by Kothari Goons (find the pictures at Zeninfosys)
Do not be such a hypocrite and double talker, if Kothari Goons do then it is ok but if some one else does it then it is otherway What do you expect from a brain wahsed Abde

[fulan ibn fulan]

It is right to call someone by their title, agreed. But if, by mistake someone forgets to, is it worth stopping the whole majlis just for one word?
And once again SMB you surprise me, have you seen the certificate to know that it is fake? Do you work at that university to know it was bought and not earned? I highly doubt it. So please take you ridiculous theories and flush them away. It is absolute garbage. Heads of the uni came to give the PhD to Qaid-Johar Bhaisaheb. it wasnt some sort of dark ally transaction. It was official
On the topic of Qaid Johar Bhai Saheb, his Laqab is Ezuddin. I was in a majlis with him and someone gave a differeent name but he didnt start waving his hands asking them to correct it. He, like any other human being, realised it was a mistake and just let it go.

[shehzada]

Agreed Fulan, the stories of QJ's piety and humbleness are repeated throughout the world. He is extremely down to earth and has never uttered an ill word ever. QJ with his Laqab Ezuddin is the most interesting man in the world.

[Bohra spring]

Ok so we are at stage 2 of SMS propaganda where QJ is better than the former mazoon. What a pity SMB could not even pick the 2nd best person as his mazoon in the last 10 years

Abdes was the mazoon even qualified to be the 3rd best or SMB made a catastrophic blunder and picked an am admi ?

[fulan ibn fulan]

Look at you, can't think of a response so just belittling what I say and putting words in my mouth. did I ever say he was better than mazoon?

[ghulam muhammed]

And once again SMB you surprise me, have you seen the certificate to know that it is fake? Do you work at that university to know it was bought and not earned? I highly doubt it. So please take you ridiculous theories and flush them away. It is absolute garbage. Heads of the uni came to give the PhD to Qaid-Johar Bhaisaheb.

The abdes are sharing the news of Qaid Johar getting doctorate from the University of East London oblivious of the fact that he has joined the ranks of Dizzee Rascal, an English rapper who was also granted doctorate this year. So, expect Qaid Johar to dance with that rascal and sing "Ghanoo Jiyo Ghanoo Jiyo"
The university has also conferred doctorate on Subhash Chandra of Zee TV. In 2010, it had conferred doctorate to Preety Zinta. So, no big deal. Most probably, it must be getting huge donation as most of these celebrities are filth rich and don't mind paying a few millions for name and fame.
This university is relatively unknown and was established only in 1992
Mubarak ane mohanna thaaey

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[M Taha]

believe it or not, London is full of crap universities, and most of these paise wala anpad log try to get doctorate from their for status.

[zinger]

And once again SMB you surprise me, have you seen the certificate to know that it is fake? Do you work at that university to know it was bought and not earned? I highly doubt it. So please take you ridiculous theories and flush them away. It is absolute garbage. Heads of the uni came to give the PhD to Qaid-Johar Bhaisaheb.

The abdes are sharing the news of Qaid Johar getting doctorate from the University of East London oblivious of the fact that he has joined the ranks of Dizzee Rascal, an English rapper who was also granted doctorate this year. So, expect Qaid Johar to dance with that rascal and sing "Ghanoo Jiyo Ghanoo Jiyo"
The university has also conferred doctorate on Subhash Chandra of Zee TV. In 2010, it had conferred doctorate to Preety Zinta. So, no big deal. Most probably, it must be getting huge donation as most of these celebrities are filth rich and don't mind paying a few millions for name and fame.
This university is relatively unknown and was established only in 1992
Mubarak ane mohanna thaaey

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GM bhai, aap ne pan Mubarak ane mohanna thaaey.

Now, i have just one simple request from you. why dont you dig into this a little and figure out how true or fake this degree is please? We do not have your journalistic instinct or your contacts on the inside.

why dont you prove it is just a piece of paper and close this topic once and for all?

Dont ask us to prove it is true, i already told you that we do not have the same skills as you do.

thanks
Z

[Maqbool]

Now, i have just one simple request from you. why dont you dig into this a little and figure out how true or fake this degree is please? We do not have your journalistic instinct or your contacts on the inside.

why dont you prove it is just a piece of paper and close this topic once and for all?

Dont ask us to prove it is true, i already told you that we do not have the same skills as you do.

There is no need to find out even if it is real. The quotation here is, has he have qualification to get this doctorate degree even if you consider not academic but social.

[Nietzsche]

An audit in 2005 by the Quality Assurance Agency for Higher Education concluded that "broad confidence can be placed in the soundness of the university's present and likely future management of the quality of its programmes and the academic standards of its awards". It also made recommendations for improvement in certain areas.[51]
In the most recent Research Assessment Exercise (RAE) in 2008, 78% of UEL's submission was judged to be of at least internationally recognised quality, with a proportion rated world-leading, in terms of originality, significance and rigour.[52][self-published source?]
In the National Student Survey (NSS) results released by HEFCE in 2011, UEL recorded an overall student satisfaction rating increase from 76% to 81%, making this the highest student satisfactory rating ever recorded at the University of East London. In this latest survey, UEL also experienced a rise of 21 places in the table of UK universities and recorded a 97% satisfaction rating in relation to its teacher training.[53]
Statistics announced in January 2011 by the University and Colleges Admissions Service showed that UEL had experienced a 13% increase in applications in the previous year, compared to 5% nationally.[54][55]

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The anecdotal reviews I've read online are fairly poor. Not the best source of evidence, but with the number of lukewarm reviews I've read online, it doesn't seem like a very good university. However, it is accredited... it's not a fake place that gives out degrees for money, from what I've read. Does not seem like a name that carries much weight.

[Nietzsche]

It's an honorary doctorate, he didn't need to study to earn it; does anyone have specifics as to the meritoriousness of QJB for this award?

[zinger]

Now, i have just one simple request from you. why dont you dig into this a little and figure out how true or fake this degree is please? We do not have your journalistic instinct or your contacts on the inside.

why dont you prove it is just a piece of paper and close this topic once and for all?

Dont ask us to prove it is true, i already told you that we do not have the same skills as you do.

There is no need to find out even if it is real. The quotation here is, has he have qualification to get this doctorate degree even if you consider not academic but social.

Maqbool bhai, that is my question too. how do you guys know that he is NOT worthy of the degree? you arent clarifying that are you?

everyone here is bent on calling it a fake, but no one wants to take the trouble of proving it.

why not put your money where your mouth is and prove it to be a fake. that would atleast shut me up for one then

[zinger]

It's an honorary doctorate, he didn't need to study to earn it; does anyone have specifics as to the meritoriousness of QJB for this award?

now you're talking. this is the kind of response i want. thanks Nietzsche.

now can someone confirm it was honorary? is it mentioned in the original thread or the post or the university website perhaps? i might have missed it

[Fatema MN]

Yes it was honorary zinger.
http://www.malumaat.com/media/images/14 ... oharam.jpg
Here is some more information in this regard...
The Chancellor of this university is Lord Noon. A Dawoodi Bohra who I guess has good relations with the Shehzadas of Burhanuddin Moula. Here is some basic info about him...
Lord Gulam Noon has been Chancellor of the University of East London (UEL) since January 2013.

He has a long-standing relationship with UEL. He was awarded an Honorary Doctorate by the University in 2009, in recognition of his achievements as an entrepreneur, and has helped the University create and run a centre for diversity in business.

Lord Noon developed his own business from a sweetshop in Mumbai into a multimillion pound food empire employing thousands of people in the UK, and he is credited with introducing the British palate to Indian food on a large scale.
(for more refer to http://www.uel.ac.uk/about/governance-a ... hancellor/)

I think he has good relations with the Shehzadas because he was present in Raudat Tahera during the dafan of Burhanuddin Moula (RA). I have seen an image of this too and will try to post it here.
This is an image of Lord Noon conferring the honorary doctorate to Sh. Qaid Johar bs. http://www.malumaat.com/media/images/14 ... %20(2).jpg

I am just posting the info that I have. Not trying to imply that the doctorate was not well deserved. After all Sh. Qaid Johar bs is a very good business man. Also, I do not know Lord Noon personally, and I was really not even aware of his existence until a few weeks ago, so I cannot be a good judge of his character.

[Fatema MN]

Here is the picture of Lord Noon in Raudat Tahera.
He wrote a nice blog about Burhanuddin Moula (RA) and his passing, which I read a few weeks ago and also commented on. Here's the link to the post..
http://lordsoftheblog.net/2014/02/07/de ... rhanuddin/

and my comment/question ...
http://lordsoftheblog.net/2014/02/07/de ... ent-212429

[zinger]

Yes it was honorary zinger.
http://www.malumaat.com/media/images/14 ... oharam.jpg
Here is some more information in this regard...
The Chancellor of this university is Lord Noon. A Dawoodi Bohra who I guess has good relations with the Shehzadas of Burhanuddin Moula. Here is some basic info about him...
Lord Gulam Noon has been Chancellor of the University of East London (UEL) since January 2013.

He has a long-standing relationship with UEL. He was awarded an Honorary Doctorate by the University in 2009, in recognition of his achievements as an entrepreneur, and has helped the University create and run a centre for diversity in business.

Lord Noon developed his own business from a sweetshop in Mumbai into a multimillion pound food empire employing thousands of people in the UK, and he is credited with introducing the British palate to Indian food on a large scale.
(for more refer to http://www.uel.ac.uk/about/governance-a ... hancellor/)

I think he has good relations with the Shehzadas because he was present in Raudat Tahera during the dafan of Burhanuddin Moula (RA). I have seen an image of this too and will try to post it here.
This is an image of Lord Noon conferring the honorary doctorate to Sh. Qaid Johar bs. http://www.malumaat.com/media/images/14 ... %20(2).jpg

I am just posting the info that I have. Not trying to imply that the doctorate was not well deserved. After all Sh. Qaid Johar bs is a very good business man. Also, I do not know Lord Noon personally, and I was really not even aware of his existence until a few weeks ago, so I cannot be a good judge of his character.

thanks Fatema Ben. Time for me to zip it now

[SBM]

Well I have question for Zinger
How is that Ghulam Noon being a Dawoodi Bohra allowed inRaudat Tahera without SAYA and Qomi Libas while ordinary Bohras are not allowed to do even ziyarat if they do not have STD. On my last visit about 5 years ago I wanted to go inside but was denied as I did not have STD

[Akhtiar Wahid]

they belong to the league of extra ordinary Bohras

[ghulam muhammed]

Now, i have just one simple request from you. why dont you dig into this a little and figure out how true or fake this degree is please?

It can never be a fake but the credentials of that university are highly suspect considering the fact that it confers degrees on any tom, dick or harry like Dizzy Rascal, Bollywood actress Preity Zinta etc etc. which for obvious reasons could be in exchange for money. Hence, I think even you have a fair chance of joining the ranks of Qaid Johar provided you have the type of money that he has

[yuzarsif]

Well I have question for Zinger
How is that Ghulam Noon being a Dawoodi Bohra allowed inRaudat Tahera without SAYA and Qomi Libas while ordinary Bohras are not allowed to do even ziyarat if they do not have STD. On my last visit about 5 years ago I wanted to go inside but was denied as I did not have STD

Because he has Money,
Dhan Gora Ho Ya Kala Ho
Jag Uska Jo Paise Wala Ho
Bhagwan Ke Ghar Bhi Khot Chaley
Pooja Ke Liye Bhi Note Chaley
Jo Chahe Karwalo Dhan Se
Yeh Paisa Bolta Hai Yeh Paisa Bolta Hai.

[zinger]

Well I have question for Zinger
How is that Ghulam Noon being a Dawoodi Bohra allowed inRaudat Tahera without SAYA and Qomi Libas while ordinary Bohras are not allowed to do even ziyarat if they do not have STD. On my last visit about 5 years ago I wanted to go inside but was denied as I did not have STD

Sorry SBM bhai but you will need to check with the Kothar, or better yet with Mr. Gulam Noon for that. Last time i checked, i didnt have an INFORMATION board pasted on my forehead

You are, by the way, being quite silly again

BTW, why DID you want to go inside Raudat Tahera??? Was it so that you could come out and bemoan it again???

Wouldn't it go against your SHAAN??????

[zinger]

Now, i have just one simple request from you. why dont you dig into this a little and figure out how true or fake this degree is please?

It can never be a fake but the credentials of that university are highly suspect considering the fact that it confers degrees on any tom, dick or harry like Dizzy Rascal, Bollywood actress Preity Zinta etc etc. which for obvious reasons could be in exchange for money. Hence, I think even you have a fair chance of joining the ranks of Qaid Johar provided you have the type of money that he has

GM bhai, will you start calling me Dr. Zinger then?

Only then!

[Smart]

Well I have question for Zinger
How is that Ghulam Noon being a Dawoodi Bohra allowed inRaudat Tahera without SAYA and Qomi Libas while ordinary Bohras are not allowed to do even ziyarat if they do not have STD. On my last visit about 5 years ago I wanted to go inside but was denied as I did not have STD

Paisa pheko, tamasha dekho. Bhai, the question you have asked is based on the religion propounded by them, however everything is dispensible if money comes in. As the famous quote goes, "Read my lips, Its the economy stupid!"

[zinger]

SBM bhai, i have answered your question. my answer is " I DONT KNOW"

Now please answer my question.

Why did you want to go inside the Roza 5 years ago????

[tasneempati]

Where is SKQ & his followers ? Had they gone underground or disppeared from scene? This way they have left SMS goons unchecked. If they want to put something worth challenging SMS camp they shall come out in open.

[Ozdundee]

some people may think this is a circus and only know how to cheer

this is not a show andif you cannot tolerate silence before a storm turn on the TV

there is no show here you want to see action join the front line

[SBM]

SBM bhai, i have answered your question. my answer is " I DONT KNOW"

Now please answer my question.

Why did you want to go inside the Roza 5 years ago????

I already answered on other thread but again I wanted to see the architectural work inside like I have done with many Temples, Churches and of course Masaajids around the world.

[Mkenya]

It is widely known that universities the world over bestow honorary degrees to people who have made outstanding contributions to the arts, languages, sciences, humanities and so on. For all the mileage this topic has accumulated suffice it to say some people are not happy that SMB deserved the degree. Let us just rest the matter and get back to the topic.

One thought: Haven't we heard the following in Waez? "Takhat na dhani jene chahe buland kare, ane jene chahe gumarah kare". Perhaps this university has taken a page from Kothar!

[seeker110]

Barack Obama got the noble prize for peace. Ghulam Noon could be a partner in Dai conglomerate.