Dawat in Pakistan?

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Nafisa
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Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by Nafisa » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:38 am

Dawoodi Bohra masses in Pakistan are in clutches of Mufaddali clergy, who have no concern with real Islam.
If Hazrat Khuzaima Qutbuddin is interested to invite Bohras towards Siraat al Mustaqeem he should contact electronic media. Like Dr. Tahir ul Qadri, his daughters can start Qur'an Fehmi series of lectures. People of the world can take benefits from it, Inshallah.

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by voice » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:48 am

Nafisa wrote:Dawoodi Bohra masses in Pakistan are in clutches of Mufaddali clergy, who have no concern with real Islam.
If Hazrat Khuzaima Qutbuddin is interested to invite Bohras towards Siraat al Mustaqeem he should contact electronic media. Like Dr. Tahir ul Qadri, his daughters can start Qur'an Fehmi series of lectures. People of the world can take benefits from it, Inshallah.
Why to depend on people like Tahir ul Qadri who himself is running a business in name of religion. Dawat towards Siraat al mustaqeem is must and only authentic source for it, is Quran. Brother Nouman Ali Khan, Dr Farhat Hashmi are far better and excel in same.

ARB
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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by ARB » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:22 am

Most of the disgruntled bohris in Pak are from the upperclass, who dont care whether it is SKQ or SMS at the top. They would rather remain silently within the current power structure, maybe until SKQ's influence grows. They would only switch as a business decision, as it is all about survival and social status. The poorer bohris who wish to leave SMS will get crushed, everyone knows that.

Having said that, there must be a few actual SKQ well-wishers in Pak, and unless there are some channels of actual contact with SKQ, it is way better for them to remain in hiding. Electronic media is probably the only tool for now, cuz SKQ will surely get killed if he comes personally to Karachi. His videos should be uploaded on unblocked websites like Vimeo, or shared through whatsapp. As far as lessons go, they can be conducted on Skype or other video conferencing or streaming websites. But think about it, how many poorer bohris in Pak have genuine access to the internet?

Haha I won't comment on the Tahirul Qadri remark. His speeches are fun though :D

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by salaar » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:12 am

people in karachi are happy in their lives and dont need any reforms as you people are thinking please stop worrying abt others because here the masses are very sentimental and any physical contact would trigger bloodshed therefore i advise them not to enter into this part of the jungle we dont like intruders

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:27 am

salaar wrote:people in karachi are happy in their lives and dont need any reforms as you people are thinking please stop worrying abt others because here the masses are very sentimental and any physical contact would trigger bloodshed therefore i advise them not to enter into this part of the jungle we dont like intruders

I am glad you described yourself as JUNGLEE.. :P :P What a self pride for a die hard Pakistani Abde :oops:

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Unread post by salaar » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:12 am

yes SBM if it comes to jungle animals we would opt to take the role of LION and leave the post of jackals for the rest hehehehe......

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by ARB » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:40 am

salaar wrote:people in karachi are happy in their lives and dont need any reforms as you people are thinking please stop worrying abt others because here the masses are very sentimental and any physical contact would trigger bloodshed therefore i advise them not to enter into this part of the jungle we dont like intruders
We all agree that they are sedated. Without access to proper education, this was bound to happen. Your comment is highly stereotypical of an average bohri youth of karachi.

yes SBM if it comes to jungle animals we would opt to take the role of LION and leave the post of jackals for the rest hehehehe......
Apni gali mein kutta bhi sher hota hai. :mrgreen:

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:43 am

"salaar
"yes SBM if it comes to jungle animals we would opt to take the role of LION and leave the post of jackals for the rest hehehehe......
Good to know Your DAI Loves killing Lions and Tigers so you are perfect for kill :mrgreen:

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by salaar » Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:06 am

SHAH E MARDA "SHAER" E YAZDAA QUWWAT E PARWARDIGAAR LA FATA ILLA ALI LA SAIF EILLA ZULFIQAR

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:18 am

salaar wrote:SHAH E MARDA "SHAER" E YAZDAA QUWWAT E PARWARDIGAAR LA FATA ILLA ALI LA SAIF EILLA ZULFIQAR
Abde Kothar, buzdil e Marde e Goons e yazdaa Befaqoofe e Pardwardigaar La NAJWA iLLA SAIF LA BURHANI EILLA MUFFDAL

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by salaar » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:17 am

iam sorry i hurt your feelings badly but dont loose hope carry on with your fruitless jahannami efforts till you last

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:21 am

Salaar
No-- you did not hurt my feelings Keep on going... When I Allaha as my Rehbar, I have no fear...

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by james » Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:23 pm

SBM wrote:
salaar wrote:SHAH E MARDA "SHAER" E YAZDAA QUWWAT E PARWARDIGAAR LA FATA ILLA ALI LA SAIF EILLA ZULFIQAR
Abde Kothar, buzdil e Marde e Goons e yazdaa Befaqoofe e Pardwardigaar La NAJWA iLLA SAIF LA BURHANI EILLA MUFFDAL
I long to see you being put in your place by the faithful plentiful followers of Khuzaima posting on this forum. Strangely, I am not holding my breath.

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:44 pm

James
I long to see you being put in your place by the faithful plentiful followers of Khuzaima posting on this forum.
Why you are not MARD enough to debate with me so you need some one else

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by salaar » Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:04 am

hey SBM we are the followers of Ali ibn Abi Talib and Abbas Allamdar never expect us to hide away frm the descendants of muawiya and yazeed, momin dont need to turn and hush the barking dogs let them do what they are destined for.

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:33 am

salaar wrote:hey SBM we are the followers of Ali ibn Abi Talib and Abbas Allamdar never expect us to hide away frm the descendants of muawiya and yazeed, momin dont need to turn and hush the barking dogs let them do what they are destined for.
And that is why you never answered many of the questions we asked Here I go again
If SMB was Infallable and Ghaiyab Na Janakar how come he did not know about SKQ that he was Lanaati. Did your 52nd made the mistake or you guys were misguided by a Dai who was not Ghaiyab Na Jankar
You sang and did Purjosh Mattam 24/7 for his life ta Qayamat but he died so do you believe those Mataami Raats were all useless.
What happens to all your dead relatives and friends who were given Ruku Chitti with SKQ as Mazoon

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:35 am

hey SBM we are the followers of Ali ibn Abi Talib and Abbas Allamdar
So you are not the followers of Allaha and Mohammed first, correct

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by salaar » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:46 am

for a momin he needs not to clearify to be a muslim its for you wahabies who claim to be muslims but i see no signs of muslims in you what to talk abt momin and for the questions that you have asked i have a number of answers but will that cast any difference on you wahabies not at all

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:50 am

Only a leader of true Mumin will ask his followers to say Laanat on another Mumin
Only a leader of true Mumin will hug Baba Ramdev
Only True Mumin will celebrate HOLI while dressed in Noorani Clothes like RIDA
Only True Mumin will be standing in front of Ganesh Murti with folded hand in Saya Topi and Dadhi
and the list goes of the actions of TRUE MUMIN

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:52 am

salaar wrote:for a momin he needs not to clearify to be a muslim its for you wahabies who claim to be muslims but i see no signs of muslims in you what to talk abt momin and for the questions that you have asked i have a number of answers but will that cast any difference on you wahabies not at all
No-- you do not have answers and that is why you cop out again .

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by ARB » Sun Mar 23, 2014 1:43 pm

Salaar there is one more question for you? Why is our Dawat in Pakistan so fond of MQM?

My guess is : street muscle. money laundering. police influence. land mafia links. ""protection"".

What do you think? You can add more to the list. MQM might just have thrown closing Saddar for a day as a freebie :mrgreen:

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by DMY » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:09 pm

salaar wrote:people in karachi are happy in their lives and dont need any reforms as you people are thinking please stop worrying abt others because here the masses are very sentimental and any physical contact would trigger bloodshed therefore i advise them not to enter into this part of the jungle we dont like intruders
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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by salaar » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:12 pm

Hey SBM iam replying your question why Syedna Mohammad Bhrhanuddin maula carried mazoon sahib along while on the ruku chitthi KQ name was written so what now, well we know how RasoolAllah carried some fitnati characters throughout his life knowing that they were bend to create differences within the ummah and we also believe in the judgements of daiul mutlaq and accept his orders comprehensively, before the demise of our maula KQ was the designated mazoon ud dawat and we accepted him so, it is in bohra theology that even when Imam uz Zaman comes out of seclusion and tells us that iam the Imamuz zaman we will wait for the commands of our dai, if he says so only then we would accept that, therefore we were accepting KQ as our dai said so but now when the instructions have changed we have turned our faces, by the way for ruku chitthis the namaz offered in the direction of masjid aqsa were not wasted if the direction was changed towards kaaba, therefore the ruku chitthi stands valid for that period by the way where would you take the ruku chitthi frm the imaam of memon masjid hehehehe

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by monginis » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:24 pm

salaar wrote:Hey SBM iam replying your question why Syedna Mohammad Bhrhanuddin maula carried mazoon sahib along while on the ruku chitthi KQ name was written so what now, well we know how RasoolAllah carried some fitnati characters throughout his life knowing that they were bend to create differences within the ummah and we also believe in the judgements of daiul mutlaq and accept his orders comprehensively, before the demise of our maula KQ was the designated mazoon ud dawat and we accepted him so, it is in bohra theology that even when Imam uz Zaman comes out of seclusion and tells us that iam the Imamuz zaman we will wait for the commands of our dai, if he says so only then we would accept that, therefore we were accepting KQ as our dai said so but now when the instructions have changed we have turned our faces, by the way for ruku chitthis the namaz offered in the direction of masjid aqsa were not wasted if the direction was changed towards kaaba, therefore the ruku chitthi stands valid for that period by the way where would you take the ruku chitthi frm the imaam of memon masjid hehehehe
yeah but none of them were on any official positions or their name was written in ruku chittii.

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:31 pm

salaar wrote:by the way where would you take the ruku chitthi frm the imaam of memon masjid hehehehe
The memons and ALL other sects are not fools to believe in a piece of paper which claims that an ordinary and mortal Dai of a miniscule community has the sole right of Jannat and that the flight to Jannat takes off ONLY from a Bohra qabrastan and Allah (swt) is so naïve as to believe in a Dai rather then use His own wisdom with regard to a person's deeds !! Only the fools of the highest order would ever believe in such stupid and laughable claims and there is no dearth of it when it comes to Bohras !

BTW, kindly prove that the Dais prior to 51st ever gave 'ruku chithi' (Jannat permit) to their followers and if so then kindly produce the text also !

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Re: Dawat in Pakistan?

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Unread post by salaar » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:13 pm

then why are you pretending to be a fool keeping ejamaat card in your pocket are you yourself a fool or are you making fool of others, on the day of judgement you would be running around like a candidate who lost his admit card for entering the examination hall.

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Mufaddal's forthcoming March towards Pakistan

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Unread post by Saeed al Khair » Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:01 am

From Pakistani sources got information that around 15th April Mufaddal Saifuddin will be in Pakistan with his Choor Qafila. Purpose of his forthcoming visit of Pakistan is to protect more than 3000 Bank accounts and trusts in Pakistan. His two corrupt family members are ruling ruthlessly over Pakistani Dawoodi Bohras, Naeem Mansoor and Kumail Yunus. They are minting trillions of dollars from Pakistani sources but not spending for the welfare of the community in reality, instead they deals them as medieval era slaves.

It is correct time and someone should file case in superior judiciary of Pakistan to draw their attention towards the mishandling of the public funds on huge scale and transferring money on very large level from Pakistan. It is also necessary to inform the media regarding the creed of Dawoodi Bohra clergy propagate in Masjids, based on heresy and open shirk. Lot of materiel available as evidences in form of uttering of mulla's Sabaq, Biyaan, Waez and Mufaddali sermons. Nooruddin is a satanic representative of Mufaddal in half Karachi. Another strong representative is mustansir mansoor, a very arrogant. Both are playing with religion like concubine.

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Re: Mufaddal's forthcoming March towards Pakistan

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Unread post by salaar » Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:51 am

as i have warned earlier dont even think of entering this part of the jungle INTRUDERS ARE NOT WELCOME your opinion can be just a point from your wishlist but it holds no ground bro

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Re: Mufaddal's forthcoming March towards Pakistan

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Unread post by JC » Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:44 pm

Pakistan is an unfortunate country and her people have suffered at the ends of all types of leaders ......... Military, Religious, Political, all sorts .......... the general populace is helpless and has lost all hope in all type of leaders. You think Bohras are with MS .......... may be but not actually. Everybody there is looking for some safe exit, some short cuts....... this has beocme norm of life ............ secondly they are USED to being RULED by Danda ........ currently MS has big danda in his hands and hence ruling .......... he better keeps it in his hands only, else you know... :wink:

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Re: Mufaddal's forthcoming March towards Pakistan

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Unread post by salaar » Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:49 pm

although this is not the topic but i would like to shed light on the lowering graph of education in our community esp in pakistan, well due to a very conservative, monotonous lifestyle and without any initiative frm jamaat elders i have noticed that the level of education is rapidly decreasing, for an average bohra family the fixed mentality is APNAY KOUN SA BACHAO SI JOB KARAWEES AAVI NE DOOKAN PAR AJ BETHWA NOU CHE this is literally what poor folks have in their minds and with no interests in higher education their children ends up somewhere near grade 10, only yesterday when i was travelling from a densely populated area i saw a person our momin bhai probably after 20 years, unfortunately he is blind but the painful part is that he was accompanied by a young man around 18 or 20 he had identical features so i presume he was his son and they were both wearing old kurta pajama and you can clearly see the sorry state of affairs for them, i thought that ok this man had his limitations but if his son would have attained good education the situation would have been different, no emphasis is given on education even the schools which are run by jamaat are commercialised for profit making and only deliver secondary level of education and there is a dearth of specialization and higher education in general in the community, i feel sad to see young boys behaving in a typical kakajee way and going to shops or unskilled services instead of going to universities, this is a very serious problem and remember if these children will not be educated or atleast skilled what good they are for their families or the community and are left with very limited options. i actually feel pity for them and hope that something positive could be done in this respect.