zinger wrote:You said "Maybe with cash, status, visas to Kuwait, Dubai who knows.". Really? you think so? You think that the Reformists imaan is bikau (open to buy/sell)? Wasnt that a trait that you attributed to us Dawoodi Bohras? 137 isnt a small number like maybe 5 or 10, its a pretty significant numbers. 137 people is almost like 35 families
Anyone's imaan can be bikau, reformists have same weakness and failings as any other human. Who knows what goes on in the human heart, what motivates people to cross sides, change allegiances. Your guess is as good as mine. The figure is 143. For us even 1 is a significant number. But we tend to see at as a good riddance. After that exodus reformists in Udaipur have become more committed and focused. Hence the utter failure of Muffadal saheb this time around.
zinger wrote:You then said "But it is still a puzzle why Ghulam Hussain betrayed us. Most of us have met him after the fact but he just doesn't talk". I am also extremely curious why your leader would desert you like this. Was he perhaps threatened? I think you guys really need to dig deeper to figure it out. i am of the opinion that Kothar had done some hanky-panky, but that is something that you guys need to figure out
It is speculated that all kinds of pressures were brought upon him. He was very popular and people sort of had blind faith in him. He thought if he went reformists will follow him blindly. But that did not happen. He miscalculated, big time.
zinger wrote:You said "It is not as easy as it seems to come back, they have to deal with shame, loss of face - and perhaps also the same pulls and pressures that caused them to leave in the first place.". Honestly, IMHO, i think if it was so easy for them to move over in the first place, it should be just as easy for them to come back. Shame and loss of face from whom? The Dawoodi Bohra community will definitely try to hold them back. Then will they face loss of face from the reformist community? Again, shouldnt you welcome them back with open arms, the prodigal son returning and all??? Wouldnt that be an awesome victory for you guys to shove it in the face of the Kothar and rub their noses in?
Don't you think there is shame in wanting to return to the group which you abandoned and dissed? Yes, they are always welcome.
zinger wrote:And yeah, if they were dissatisfied, they should have come back in 2 or 3 years. why wait for 15? They always knew what they were getting into even then? Now... if they went over to the other side in promise of something in return... well they were... a) foolish to believe that the kothar would reward them and b) sold their souls, dont you think?
Why 15 years, only they can answer. a) and b) being exactly the reasons for shame and loss of face.
zinger wrote:again, IMHO, these guys who shifted over were neither loyal to the reformist cause nor are they aligned to the Dawoodi Bohra faith. if they want to come back, by all means, you must accept them back as they are, but i would never trust them to not do a "palti" again
Right, they will be welcomed but not trusted.