book of Imam Ali

[AmmarHussaini]

In the name of most merciful Allah.

when I was teen I use to hear Imam Ali has wrote a book in which he has mentioned names of all duat (I personally know this is bull crap) and Imam Ali has not wrote any such thing (because this whole concept of dai ship is man made).

but any ways lets assume Imam Ali has wrote such book, then where is it? why such big fight over daiship? just go grab that book and read the name and move ahead?

[DisillusionedDB]

In the name of most merciful Allah.

when I was teen I use to hear Imam Ali has wrote a book in which he has mentioned names of all duat (I personally know this is bull crap) and Imam Ali has not wrote any such thing (because this whole concept of dai ship is man made).

but any ways lets assume Imam Ali has wrote such book, then where is it? why such big fight over daiship? just go grab that book and read the name and move ahead?

You are talking about the Dais .. they come much later. The ithna-asheris even claim that they have written proof that Rasulullah had specifically mentioned the names of their 12 imams. Go figure.

[AmmarHussaini]

In the name of most merciful Allah.

when I was teen I use to hear Imam Ali has wrote a book in which he has mentioned names of all duat (I personally know this is bull crap) and Imam Ali has not wrote any such thing (because this whole concept of dai ship is man made).

but any ways lets assume Imam Ali has wrote such book, then where is it? why such big fight over daiship? just go grab that book and read the name and move ahead?

You are talking about the Dais .. they come much later. The ithna-asheris even claim that they have written proof that Rasulullah had specifically mentioned the names of their 12 imams. Go figure.

so what is your point?

it is obvious Imam must have been mentioned, but if dai is also mentioned according to bohras, why are these guys fighting? just go and read the name?

and if there is no such book, it means these guys were cheating bohras and creating fake stories and this whole bohrism is fake.

if there is any such book this is a high time to bring it on surface.

[DisillusionedDB]

My point is .. Which book will you follow ? The one with 12 ithna-asheri imams that bohras don't believe in OR the book which has the 21 imams + duats .. Both claim to be the authentic truth.

[AmmarHussaini]

My point is .. Which book will you follow ? The one with 12 ithna-asheri imams that bohras don't believe in OR the book which has the 21 imams + duats .. Both claim to be the authentic truth.

it doesnt matters what ithna asharis believe, right now bohras are in leadership crises, so if they posses any such book they should surface it.

[Munira_RV]

Ithna Asheri are in leadership crises since the day childless young Hasan Asakri passed away without appointing his successor.

[AmmarHussaini]

Ithna Asheri are in leadership crises since the day childless young Hasan Asakri passed away without appointing his successor.

Salaam munira bhen/bhai

badrijanab was better username, but any ways I am bohra so I am more concern about bohras.

[Munira_RV]

I'm Munira and not badrijanab.

Bohras has no such books that says, "Ali has forecasted names of all Dai's." Someone has misinformed you.

[DisillusionedDB]

I'm Munira and not badrijanab.

Bohras has no such books that says, "Ali has forecasted names of all Dai's." Someone has misinformed you.

Even I have never heard of such a thing. But the ithna-asheri claim is true. They do have it in their hadith about the 12 imams names

[AmmarHussaini]

I'm Munira and not badrijanab.

Bohras has no such books that says, "Ali has forecasted names of all Dai's." Someone has misinformed you.

really?

as far as I know there is a book which they say " alaa martaba no kitab" but any ways if there is any such book they should bring it on.

[AmmarHussaini]

got this information from this thread

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6160

[AmmarHussaini]

.. we have a book in dawaat which is written by maula Ali and he has written name of all DAI in his book which will come untill the Imam makes zuhoor.

is these true?name of 53rd dai is mentioned in this book?

This is 100% true. What book does Da'awat not have? So, when Sayedna's sons came along he named one of them according to the name assigned in the book for the 53rd Dai. It is clear that Mufaddal bhai Saheb has also named one of his sons and one of his grandchildren according to the names assigned in the book. Thus, those in the know are aware of the names of all the Dais until Imam's zuhoor.

You also omitted to mention that names of all the Imams are also in the book.

The book is called:

الاسماء الائمة و الدعاة المطلقين من اللبتيدأ الى القيامة

"Al-asma al-a'immat tahireen wal dua'atu mutlaqeen min al-ibtida ila al-qiyama".

[Munira_RV]

Porus was posting jokes.

[DisillusionedDB]

Porus was posting jokes.

It seems AmmarHusaini didn't get the "tongue-in-cheek" part

[AmmarHussaini]

Porus was posting jokes.

not a very good subject to joke, but any ways if I am not wrong there is a mosque in Cairo where all names of Imam is mentioned on Qibla of masjid, so when dai is so important after Imam, there must be some kind of forecast of signs to recognize dai in crises of nass?

[alam]

To increase the credibility of anything, write it in lisanud Dawat script, or lisan ud Dawat lingo (Qamoos is a good app for lingo of Dawat no zabaan).

You write or transmit something in the script, and you can promote just about anything as authentic.

This is 100% true. What book does Da'awat not have? So, when Sayedna's sons came along he named one of them according to the name assigned in the book for the 53rd Dai. It is clear that Mufaddal bhai Saheb has also named one of his sons and one of his grandchildren according to the names assigned in the book. Thus, those in the know are aware of the names of all the Dais until Imam's zuhoor.

You also omitted to mention that names of all the Imams are also in the book.

The book is called:

الاسماء الائمة و الدعاة المطلقين من اللبتيدأ الى القيامة

"Al-asma al-a'immat tahireen wal dua'atu mutlaqeen min al-ibtida ila al-qiyama".

[asad]

In Bohra Theology its called Kitabul Ilm. When Bohras recite Ghanu jivo they read one line "Kitabul ilm ma Moula Ali yeh ghani kidi kher khwani".

No such book exists in physical form but Bohras believe Imam or Dai is the Kitabul Ilm and when he appoints his successor its as if Moula ALi has appointed him.

[AmmarHussaini]

In Bohra Theology its called Kitabul Ilm. When Bohras recite Ghanu jivo they read one line "Kitabul ilm ma Moula Ali yeh ghani kidi kher khwani".

No such book exists in physical form but Bohras believe Imam or Dai is the Kitabul Ilm and when he appoints his successor its as if Moula ALi has appointed him.

Thanx a lot, now my confusion is clear, jazakallah.