Names of 72 Shaheed in Karbala

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Names of 72 Shaheed in Karbala

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Unread post by Aftaab » Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:42 pm

1 Hazrat Imam Hussain (A.S)
2 Hazrat Abbas Bin Ali (A.S)
3 Hazrat Ali Akber Bin Hussain (A.S)
4 Hazrat Ali Asghar Bin Hussain (A.S)
5 Hazrat Abdullah Bin Ali (A.S)
6 Hazrat Jafer Bin Ali (A.S)
7 Hazrat Usman Bin Ali (A.S)
8 Hazrat Abu Baker Bin Ali (A.S)
9 Hazrat Abu Baker Bin Hasan Bin Ali (A.S)
10 Hazrat Qasim Bin Hasan Bin Ali(...A.S)
11 Hazrat Abdullah Bin Hassan (A.S)
12 Hazrat Aun bin Abdullah Bin Jafer (A.S)
13 Hazrat Mohammad Bin Abdullah bin Jafer (A.S)
14 Hazrat Abdullah Bin Muslim Bin Aqeel (A.S)
15 Hazrat Mohammad BIN Muslim (A.S)
16 Hazrat Mohammad Bin Saeed bin Aqeel (A.S)
17 Hazrat Abdul Rehman Bin Aqeel (A.S)
18 Hazrat Jafer Bin Aqeel (A.S)Bani Asad
19 Hazrat Uns Bin Hars Asadi (A.S)
20 Hazrat Habib Bin Mazahir Asadi (A.S)
21 Hazrat Muslim Bin Ausaja Asadi (A.S)
22 Hazrat Qais Bin Masher Asadi(A.S)
23 Hazrat Abu Samama Umru Bin Abdullah (A.S)
24 Hazrat Boreer Hamdani (A.S)
25 Hazrat Hanala Bin Asad (A.S)
26 Hazrat Abis Shakri (A.S)
27 Hazrat Abdul Rehman Rahbi (A.S)
28 Hazrat Saif Bin Hars (A.S)
29 Hazrat Amer Bin Abdullah Hamdani (A.S)Jahbi
30 Hazrat Junada Bin Hars (A.S)
31 Hazrat Majma Bin Abdullah (A.S)
32 Hazrat Nafey Bin Halal (A.S)
33 Hazrat Hajjaj Bin Masrooq (A.S) Moazzin of Kafla-e- KerbalaAnsari
34 Hazrat Umer Bin Qarza (A.S)
35 Hazrat Abdul Rehman Bin Abd-e-Rub (A.S)
36 Hazrat Junada Bin Kab (A.S)
37 Hazrat Amer Bin Janada (A.S)
38 Hazrat Naeem Bin Ajlan (A.S)
39 Hazrat Saad Bin Hars (A.S)Bijli & Khas-ami
40 Hazrat Zuhair Bin Qain (A.S)
41 Hazrat Salman Bin Mazarib (A.S)
42 Hazrat Saeed Bin Umer (A.S)
43 Hazrat Abdullah Bin Basheer (A.S)Kandi & Ghaffari
44 Hazrat Yazid Bin Zaid Kandi (A.S)
45 Hazrat Harb Bin Umr-ul-Qais (A.S)
46 Hazrat Zaheer Bin Amer (A.S)
47 Hazrat Basheer Bin Amer (A.S)
48 Hazrat Abdullah Arwah Gahffari (A.S)
49 Hazrat Jhon (A.S) Ghulam Abu Zar GhaffariQalbi
50 Hazrat Abdullah Bin Ameer (A.S)
51 Hazrat Abdul Aala Bin Yazeed (A.S)
52 Hazrat Saleem Bin Ameer (A.S)Azdi
53 Hazrat Qasim Bin Habib (A.S)
54 Hazrat Zaid Bin Saleem (A.S)
55 Hazrat Noman Bin Umer (A.S)Abdi
56 Hazrat Yazeed Bin Sabeet (A.S)
57 Hazrat Amir Bin Muslim (A.S)
58 Hazrat Saif Bin Malik (A.S)Tameemi & Tai
59 Hazrat Jabir Bin Hajjaji (A.S)
60 Hazrat Masood Bin Hajjaji (A.S)
61 Hazrat Abdul Rehman Bin Masood (A.S)
62 Hazrat Baker Bin Haee (A.S)
63 Hazrat Ammar Bin Hassan Tai (A.S)Taghleebi
64 Hazrat Zurghama Bin Malik (A.S)
65 Hazrat Kanana Bin Ateeq (A.S)Jahani & Tameemi
66 Hazrat Aqaba Bin Sult (A.S)
67 Hazrat Hur Bin Yazeed Tameemi (A.S)
68 Hazrat Aqaba Bin Sult (A.S)-Miscellaneous Martyrs
69 Hazrat Habala Bin Ali Sheebani (A.S)
70 Hazrat Qanab Bin Umer (A.S)
71 Hazrat Abdullah Bin yaqter (A.S)
72 Hazrat Ghulam-e-Turki (A.S) Ghulam of Imam-e-SAJJAD A.S

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Re: Names of 72 Shaheed in Karbala

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:11 pm

Hazrat Usman Bin Ali (A.S)
Hazrat Abu Baker Bin Ali (A.S)
Hazrat Abu Baker Bin Hasan Bin Ali (A.S)


Although the above personalities were the sons of the most revered figures of Shia/Bohra faith but one will never hear a mention of it in any of their vayez.

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Unread post by kseeker » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:09 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:Hazrat Usman Bin Ali (A.S)
Hazrat Abu Baker Bin Ali (A.S)
Hazrat Abu Baker Bin Hasan Bin Ali (A.S)


Although the above personalities were the sons of the most revered figures of Shia/Bohra faith but one will never hear a mention of it in any of their vayez.
I have asked a revered scholar about the reason for this. He has mentioned that in this Daur e Fatarat, it is very easy to go astray.. especially with no one to guide us.. Imaam being in parda and Dai-ship in crisis for a couple hundred years...

One method we use to 'stay on the path' is to associate ourselves with names of people who we follow and completely disassociate from those who have had negative roles in our history to avoid any sort of attachment or empathy towards them... it is one of the main reason why we don't keep names such as Abdul Rehman... few names can be better than that however it is associated with the assassin of Ali (AS)...

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Unread post by think » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:32 pm

finally something to jog our thoughts other than moula, mloula and moula moula. Just go through each name and ponder over their families.

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Unread post by anajmi » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:34 pm

it is one of the main reason why we don't keep names such as Abdul Rehman
Allah's hikma is unique. As soon as the bohras stopped using the beautiful names of Allah, he made them abde syedna instead of Abdur Rahman.

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Unread post by kseeker » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:38 pm

anajmi wrote:
it is one of the main reason why we don't keep names such as Abdul Rehman
Allah's hikma is unique. As soon as the bohras stopped using the beautiful names of Allah, he made them abde syedna instead of Abdur Rahman.
Those names were stopped being used for many hundreds of years... bohras have become abde syedna since the 51st dai...

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:55 pm

kseeker wrote:One method we use to 'stay on the path' is to associate ourselves with names of people who we follow and completely disassociate from those who have had negative roles in our history to avoid any sort of attachment or empathy towards them
It will be interesting to see what funda does the Dai use to ban names like Asghar Ali (Engineer) and the most recent one being Khuzema but most of all how will they ban the name Saifuddin (Insaf) :mrgreen:

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Unread post by anajmi » Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:12 pm

Those names were stopped being used for many hundreds of years... bohras have become abde syedna since the 51st dai...
Well, it is a pity. If they hadn't stopped calling themselves slaves of Allah, maybe HE would've prevented them from becoming the slaves of a human!!

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Unread post by DisillusionedDB » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:15 am

kseeker wrote:
ghulam muhammed wrote:Hazrat Usman Bin Ali (A.S)
Hazrat Abu Baker Bin Ali (A.S)
Hazrat Abu Baker Bin Hasan Bin Ali (A.S)


Although the above personalities were the sons of the most revered figures of Shia/Bohra faith but one will never hear a mention of it in any of their vayez.
I have asked a revered scholar about the reason for this. He has mentioned that in this Daur e Fatarat, it is very easy to go astray.. especially with no one to guide us.. Imaam being in parda and Dai-ship in crisis for a couple hundred years...

One method we use to 'stay on the path' is to associate ourselves with names of people who we follow and completely disassociate from those who have had negative roles in our history to avoid any sort of attachment or empathy towards them... it is one of the main reason why we don't keep names such as Abdul Rehman... few names can be better than that however it is associated with the assassin of Ali (AS)...
So for the bohras, the martyrdom of these courageous people was in vain. We do not even want to mention their names on Ashura day. I have heard a few times they say "Kaho nau jawan ke upar rehmatullah". Now who is that nau jawan ? Did any one ponder upon the fact that despite 1-2-3 going against Ali, he still named his children with the same names ? He even married off his daughter Umm Kulsum to Umar. Maybe they had their differences in their times, but the sheer animosity and raw hatred that we are preached now was nowhere to be seen.

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Unread post by kseeker » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:31 am

anajmi wrote:
Those names were stopped being used for many hundreds of years... bohras have become abde syedna since the 51st dai...
Well, it is a pity. If they hadn't stopped calling themselves slaves of Allah, maybe HE would've prevented them from becoming the slaves of a human!!
And yet He did not prevent ibn Muljim from assassinating a person who was dedicated to Him unlike any other? That is not how the world works....

I understand the point you are trying to make... and I have too become indifferent to these criminals abusing the rank of Daai... but we cannot use this as an excuse to criticize work and knowledge of the Daais that were true...

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Unread post by kseeker » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:39 am

DisillusionedDB wrote:
kseeker wrote: I have asked a revered scholar about the reason for this. He has mentioned that in this Daur e Fatarat, it is very easy to go astray.. especially with no one to guide us.. Imaam being in parda and Dai-ship in crisis for a couple hundred years...

One method we use to 'stay on the path' is to associate ourselves with names of people who we follow and completely disassociate from those who have had negative roles in our history to avoid any sort of attachment or empathy towards them... it is one of the main reason why we don't keep names such as Abdul Rehman... few names can be better than that however it is associated with the assassin of Ali (AS)...
So for the bohras, the martyrdom of these courageous people was in vain. We do not even want to mention their names on Ashura day. I have heard a few times they say "Kaho nau jawan ke upar rehmatullah". Now who is that nau jawan ? Did any one ponder upon the fact that despite 1-2-3 going against Ali, he still named his children with the same names ? He even married off his daughter Umm Kulsum to Umar. Maybe they had their differences in their times, but the sheer animosity and raw hatred that we are preached now was nowhere to be seen.

Their martydom will never be in vain... Bohras could curse 1-2-3, Mawia, Marwan and Yazid for all eternity and that would not make their punishment on the day of judgement any worse... similarly, the sunnis can pass salaams and salwaats to 1-2-3, Mawia , Marwan and Yazid and that too would not make them go to Jannat..... Allah is just.. you reap what you sow... those brave men gave their lives for us... they don't need our praises and songs to glorify them... they will always be glorious....

The prophet married Ayesha and Sumaiyya(daughter of umar).. Imam hussain married Yazid's sister ( mother of Ali Akbar (AS) )... Abbas (AS) mother was Shimr's brother.... all of them have families linked... thats how the arabs roll... they keep marrying in each other's family to avoid conflict... moreover, the prophet's marriages and Ali (AS) decision to not fight 1-2-3 are with great hikmat which have helped Islam on the whole....

My point, not praising them will not make them any less glorious... but us finding attachment to those names might soften our view for them and make us go astray...... yes, it is an extremist behaviour.. yet a very effective one...

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:40 pm

but us finding attachment to those names might soften our view for them and make us go astray
Bohras have already gone astray. They are mired in shirk from birth to death. They should start keeping these names that they have rejected so that they may soften their hearts and get back to the right path. They should not waste their time in hatred of humans or the love of humans. Start devoting more time to the hamd of Allah. These names depict hamd of Allah, not of a human. To reject names that have Allah's qualities in them for the sake of humans, is another example of shirk.

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:45 pm

And yet He did not prevent ibn Muljim from assassinating a person who was dedicated to Him unlike any other? That is not how the world works....
I said "maybe". Sometimes, people are destined to go astray. ibn Muljim went astray by killing Ali and the bohras went astray by worshipping the Dai. Unfortunately for the bohras, Allah says in the Quran that shirk is Zulmul Azim.

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Unread post by kseeker » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:34 pm

anajmi wrote:
And yet He did not prevent ibn Muljim from assassinating a person who was dedicated to Him unlike any other? That is not how the world works....
I said "maybe". Sometimes, people are destined to go astray. ibn Muljim went astray by killing Ali and the bohras went astray by worshipping the Dai. Unfortunately for the bohras, Allah says in the Quran that shirk is Zulmul Azim.


Bohras have already gone astray. They are mired in shirk from birth to death. They should start keeping these names that they have rejected so that they may soften their hearts and get back to the right path. They should not waste their time in hatred of humans or the love of humans. Start devoting more time to the hamd of Allah. These names depict hamd of Allah, not of a human. To reject names that have Allah's qualities in them for the sake of humans, is another example of shirk.
I took your 'maybe' into account in my statement... like i said, it doesn't work that way.....Ibn Muljim went astray long before that... killing Ali (AS) was just an outcome....I reiterate, the problem is not with names, it is with what the name combined with historical context does to a person.... Allah also says in the Quran that finding liking or softening towards those who have displeased him will also displease Allah.... its not something which HAS to be avoided.. however if it COULD prevent a possible astraying.. why not avoid it?

Shirk means to make anyone/anything shareek with the qualities of Allah (in equal proportion or more)... not using one of his names does NOT make one a mushriq...

What I fail to understand is why you keep bringing in main stream dawoodi bohra comparisions into the picture.... though you do sound like a smart person, it also makes you sound like a rookie athiest who just keep targeting religions rather than explaning why there can be no creator

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:01 pm

Shirk means to make anyone/anything shareek with the qualities of Allah (in equal proportion or more)... not using one of his names does NOT make one a mushriq...
Doing that for the sake of a human makes one a mushrik. Why are you rejecting the name which depicts the Quality of Allah? Because of a human correct? Hence you are committing shirk. Allah says in the Quran not to make haram out of that which he has made halal. You are doing that for the sake of humans. Hence you have now associated partners with Allah.
however if it COULD prevent a possible astraying
Obviously, in the case of bohras, it hasn't prevented any astraying has it?

I am not a smart person. Just smart enough.

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Unread post by kseeker » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:05 pm

I have never implied, neither has dawoodi bohra or ismaili theology ever implied that it is haram to use those names... In islam, Niyat (Niyyah) is very important and can trump amal ( not in all cases).. My niyat is to not displease Allah by softening myself to those who have displeased him... Keeping away from a good name used by a bad human does NOT make one guilty of shirk..

"Obviously, in the case of bohras, it hasn't prevented any astraying has it?"

Again you go back to attacking bohras.... they might have gone astray in many departments, but creating fondness for the enemies of ahl-e-bayt is not one of them..

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:12 pm

Keeping away from a good name used by a bad human does NOT make one guilty of shirk.
but creating fondness for the enemies of ahl-e-bayt is not one of them..
Both idiotic arguments. If a bad human has the name Mohammad, are you going to stop using that name? Well, obviously you are. I am sure there were some people in Yazid's army named Mohammad. Hey, even the leader of the Taliban was named Mohammad!!

Giving more importance to humans and their names than Allah himself is what makes you a mushrik. I am sorry I wasted my time with you.

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Unread post by Muslim First » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:41 pm

The prophet married Ayesha and Sumaiyya(daughter of umar).. Imam hussain married Yazid's sister ( mother of Ali Akbar (AS) )... Abbas (AS) mother was Shimr's brother.... all of them have families linked... thats how the arabs roll... they keep marrying in each other's family to avoid conflict... moreover, the prophet's marriages and Ali (AS) decision to not fight 1-2-3 are with great hikmat which have helped Islam on the whole....
Do you know history or just take notes in your Sabaks?

Sumaiyya(daughter of umar)
It's Hafsa not Sumayya

Abbas (AS) mother was Shimr's brother....
What Shimr's brother.... Or sister?

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Unread post by kseeker » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:48 pm

Nope.. cause the impact of Mohammed is stronger on the good side than the bad one.... The prophet was born and died on 12th Rabi ul Awwal yet we celebrate it instead of mourning it.... because his birth was more important than his death.... no matter how many evil Mohammeds or Alis you bring, people will not stop keeping these names because the impact of the good ones on us are stronger than the bad ones... If a day comes that an Abdul Rehman leave a stronger postive impact than the negative one Ibn Muljim left, yes... there will be Abdul Rehmans all around.....

What you seriously fail to understand is that these names are being avoided in order to NOT becoming fond of one who displease Allah.. note, the subject of the matter is Allah.

bohras love for the syedna has made them unable to reason.. your hatred for these bohras has left you unable to understand.... two sides of the same coin *sigh*

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Unread post by kseeker » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:49 pm

Muslim First wrote:
The prophet married Ayesha and Sumaiyya(daughter of umar).. Imam hussain married Yazid's sister ( mother of Ali Akbar (AS) )... Abbas (AS) mother was Shimr's brother.... all of them have families linked... thats how the arabs roll... they keep marrying in each other's family to avoid conflict... moreover, the prophet's marriages and Ali (AS) decision to not fight 1-2-3 are with great hikmat which have helped Islam on the whole....
Do you know history or just take notes in your Sabaks?

Sumaiyya(daughter of umar)
It's Hafsa not Sumayya

Abbas (AS) mother was Shimr's brother....
What Shimr's brother.... Or sister?

The first was a lapse in memory and the second was a typo... *claps hard* bravo, muslim first, im sure that post of yours must have given your life some meaning....

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Unread post by Muslim First » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:50 pm

Their martydom will never be in vain... Bohras could curse 1-2-3, Mawia, Marwan and Yazid for all eternity and that would not make their punishment on the day of judgement any worse... similarly, the sunnis can pass salaams and salwaats to 1-2-3, Mawia , Marwan and Yazid and that too would not make them go to Jannat..... Allah is just.. you reap what you sow... those brave men gave their lives for us... they don't need our praises and songs to glorify them... they will always be glorious....
similarly, the sunnis can pass salaams and salwaats to 1-2-3, Mawia , Marwan and Yazid

Favorite Fairy tale of Rafadis,
Show me Sunni prayer ritual where Salwaat is recited on 1-2-3, Mawia , Marwan and Yazid?
BTW most Sunni Salah is described here. You might increase your knowledge if you just read and understand it,

The Prophet's Prayer (saws)
From The beginning To The End As Though You See It
http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/prayerprophet.htm

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Unread post by Muslim First » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:58 pm

... no matter how many evil Mohammeds or Alis you bring, people will not stop keeping these names because the impact of the good ones on us are stronger than the bad ones... If a day comes that an Abdul Rehman leave a stronger postive impact than the negative one Ibn Muljim left, yes... there will be Abdul Rehmans all around.....
brother
Go find couple of Abdul Rahman from Sunni Maholla.

Ask them or their parents who Ibn Muljim was?
I bet you will get blank stares.

Wallowing in mud of history is job one for Rafadis.

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:00 pm

If a day comes that an Abdul Rehman leave a stronger postive impact than the negative one Ibn Muljim left, yes... there will be Abdul Rehmans all around.....
And that is precisely the reason why you are a mushrik. You want a good human Abdur Rahman before you name yourselves Abdur Rahman. You fail to understand the simple fact that Abdur Rahman is a good name irrespective of which human has it. Same is the case with Mohammad. Consider the fact that the biggest cause of bohra's religious deviance from Islam and adoption of shirk was a man named Mohammad Burhanuddin!!

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:01 pm

Ask them or their parents who Ibn Muljim was?
I bet you will get blank stares.
Good point. Other than bohras and shias, no one even remembers him!!

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Unread post by kseeker » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:14 pm

brother muslim first, I assume you have yet to attend a saudi imaam led sermon praising the deeds of "Ameer ul Momineen Muawiya ibn Abu Sufiyan" and his son who had "some bad habits"... never got offered any niyaaz of muaiwiya??.... never heard people in madinat shouting salawat on Abu Bakr and Omar while passing their graves?.... like i said, no amounts of laanat will ever hurt them neither will any amounts of praises will help them....

those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.... people forgetting is the biggest problem.... Hussain (AS) stated on the battleground of Karbala, calling out to those amongst yazid who were there when the prophet said " Hassan and Hussain are the sardaars of Jannat".. and yet they went out to get his life....

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Unread post by kseeker » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:19 pm

anajmi wrote:
If a day comes that an Abdul Rehman leave a stronger postive impact than the negative one Ibn Muljim left, yes... there will be Abdul Rehmans all around.....
You fail to understand the simple fact that Abdur Rahman is a good name irrespective of which human has it. Same is the case with Mohammad. Consider the fact that the biggest cause of bohra's religious deviance from Islam and adoption of shirk was a man named Mohammad Burhanuddin!!

If you go back and read my first post on this topic, you will see that I have said the exact same thing... As for your example, I agree, the wrong done by MB is absolutely horrendous! but his wrong can never overshadow the good done by our prophet...

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Unread post by Muslim First » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:06 pm

never got offered any niyaaz of muaiwiya??....
Explain, what is this?

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Unread post by Muslim First » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:08 pm

Ali's Gadi was stolen by 1-2-3
Biggest fairy tale.

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Unread post by fiate2000 » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:46 pm

All of the first four Khalifahs were rightly guided believers, and no one has taken the leadership by force. It is nothing short of mis-guidance to accuse any of these noble souls of taking the leadership by force or deceit.
There is absolutely no evidence in the Glorious Quran that the Messenger of Allah (saws) appointed anyone as his heir-apparent or 'wasi'. If this appointment was so pivotal to the establishment of Islam, Allah Subhanah would have revealed it in the Holy Quran, just as He, in His Perfect Wisdom and Knowledge, revealed everything else for our guidance. It is not imaginable that the All Wise, All Knowing would forget anything and leave us with hints and innuendoes to decipher ourselves; and then hold us accountable on the Day of Judgement! Those who claim this, actually imply that our Lord and Creator is Unjust and a Tyrant! In their prejudice and ignorance, they have just not recognized Allah!
The Messenger of Allah (saws) did not appoint an heir-apparent or 'wasi'; neither Abu Bakr, neither Umar, neither Uthman, nor Ali ibn Abi Taalib. All the companions had been given such a thorough training, and their level of piety and God-consciousness was developed under the guidance of the Messenger of Allah (saws) to a standard that was never witnessed by mankind. The office of Prophethood is not like a kingdom of this world, where the king must name a crown-prince to rule when he dies!
Many years after the death of the Prophet (saws) and Hadrat Ali (r.a.), some unscrupulous and power-hungry people, to justify their own power-base and create confusion in the Islamic Ummah created this whole appointment system of 'wasi' and succeeded in breaking the One Ummah of Islam into various sects and creeds according to their own whims and fancies!
These sects base their beliefs on this one hadith of Rasool-Allah.
When Allah's Messenger (saws) alighted at the pool of Khumm, he took Ali by the hand and asked those present, "Do you not know that I am closer to the believers than they themselves?" They replied, "Certainly." He then asked, "Do you not know that I am nearer to every believer than he himself?" They replied, "Certainly." He then said, " O Allah, he whose 'maula' I am, has Ali as his 'maula'. O Allah, be friendly to those who are friendly to him and hostile to those who are hostile to him."
Even if we are to believe that the Messenger of Allah (saws) said the above words, it is absolutely incorrect to claim that from this one episode, that the Prophet (saws) appointed Hadrat Ali (r.a.) as his heir-apparent. It is absolutely incorrect to claim that 70,000 from amongst the believers and companions of the Prophet (saws) gave allegiance to Hadrat Ali (r.a.) on this occasion as the appointed heir-apparent, and no sooner than the Prophet (saws) died, they ALL turned against this one order and commandment of the Messenger of Allah (saws) and held on to all the other commandments! It is inconceivable to imagine that from amongst the 70,000 believers and companions, not even a small percentage raised a voice! And we must remember that these believers and companions were the same, who on one command of Allah and His Messenger (saws), were ready to sacrifice all they had; their property, their lives, their family; everything... for the Cause of Allah and His Messenger (saws). It is absolutely inconceivable that all of them became renegade the moment the Prophet (saws) breathed his last!
The Messenger of Allah (saws) said several similar statements to honor the other close companions, but that did not make all of them his heir-apparent! These sects just disregard all the other hadiths and take this one hadith and form all their beliefs from it!
Many years after the death of the Prophet (saws) and Hadrat Ali (r.a.), these unscrupulous power-hungry people concocted stories of enmity between Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali!
Just imagine these facts of history and decide for yourself, if indeed there was any enmity between these noble companions of the Messenger of Allah (saws).
It is well known that Hadrat Ali ibn Abi Taalib (r.a.) married Hadrat Fatima bint Mohamed Rasool Allah (r.a.) and had two sons from this marriage; Imam Hassan ibn Ali (r.a.) and Imam Hussain ibn Ali (r.a.).
After the death of Hadrat Fatema bint Mohamed Rasool Allah (r.a.), Hadrat Ali (r.a.) married several times and had in excess of 20 children, including 11 daughters. And in accordance of Islamic law, he had no more than four wives at any one time. At the time of his death, it is recorded that he had four wives and nineteen slave girls.
Hadrat Ali (r.a.) married a woman from the tribe of Banu Kilaab and her name was Muhaiyya bint Imr-ul-Qais. The children from this marriage were:
Abbas al Akbar bin Ali (Abbas Alamdar).
Uthman bin Ali.
Jaafar bin Ali.
Abdulla bin Ali.
Hadrat Ali (r.a.) later married Laila bin Masood Nashaliyyah and the children from this marriage were:
Abu Bakr bin Ali.
Obaidullah bin Ali.
Hadrat Ali (r.a.) also married a woman from the tribe of Banu Taglab and the children from this marriage were twins: a boy and a girl named:
Umar bin Ali
Ruqqayyah bint Ali
Hadrat Ali (r.a.) later married Asma bint Umais, who incidentally was the widow of Abu Bakr as Siddiq (r.a.).
I just want to point out something here:
The above is all recorded history, but the impression our clergy give is that Hadrat Ali (r.a.) only married Hadrat Fatema (r.a.). They mention Imam Hasan bin Ali and Imam Hussain bin Ali, but never talk about his other children, especially the ones named Abu Bakr bin Ali, Umar bin Ali and Uthman bin Ali.
If what some sects of Islam say about the relationship between Hadrat Ali (r.a.) and Abu Bakr as Siddiq, Umar Al Khattab and Uthman bin Affan is true, then why would Hadrat Ali (r.a.) keep the names of his sons Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman? Hadart Ali (r.a.) only married and fathered these children after the death of the Messenger of Allah (saws). If Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman were indeed enemies of Hadrat Ali (r.a.), as some people would have us believe, why would Hadrat Ali (r.a.) name his children after their names?
Some people have tried to explain this by saying that Hadrat Ali (r.a.) kept these names, despite his enmity with Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, because of political reasons! That is absolutely absurd! Those who claim this, actually dishonor and degrade the high position and the noble character of Hadrat Ali ibn Abi Taalib (r.a.), and have just not recognized the 'maqaam' of Hadrat Ali (r.a.). By explaining that Hadrat Ali (r.a.) kept these names for political reasons, they actually accuse Hadrat Ali (r.a.) of hypocrisy.... And I swear by Allah, whoever claims thus are liars!! Hadrat Ali's (r.a.) bravery, courage, boldness, daring, heroism and fearlessness have been praised by the Messenger of Allah (saws) himself, and has been appropriately recorded in Islamic history. The truth of the matter is that there was no enmity between all these noble companions of the Messenger of Allah (saws). This enmity was manufactured and invented by unscrupulous and venal people for their own political gains, years after the death of these noble and close 'sahabees' of the Messenger of Allah (saws)! And by doing so, they succeeded in breaking up Islam into various sects, and made each into a small kingdom of its own! May Allah take full retribution with the people who have played this mischief and caused chaos in the One 'ummah' of Islam.
The truth, in light of the Holy Quran and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (saws), is that the Messenger of Allah (saws) did not appoint anyone as his heir apparent or 'wasi'! The believers were trained enough to choose an 'Ameer' or 'Khalifa' between themselves in accordance with the Quran and Sunnah. The truth is that there was no enmity between the companions of the Messenger of Allah (saws), Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali, and they all respected and loved each other in the Islamic Brotherhood that was created by Allah and His Messenger (saws).

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Re: Names of 72 Shaheed in Karbala

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:20 pm

As for your example, I agree, the wrong done by MB is absolutely horrendous! but his wrong can never overshadow the good done by our prophet...
The prophet (saw) taught tawheed, the Dai taught Shirk. The Prophet (saw) taught us not to do sajda to anyone, the Dai made the bohras do sajda to him. The prophet (saw) asked us to give to the needy and the Dai taught the bohras to give only to him. Who do the bohras follow today? The Dai or the prophet (saw)? They follow the Dai. Hence the wrong done by MB has overshadowed the teachings of the prophet (saw) at least for the bohras. Hence, the bohras should no longer name their children Mohammad. But then the bohras actually follow the Dai, so they should name their children Mohammad, but not the Mohammad of the prophet (saw) but the Mohammad of the Dai!!

My head is spinning trying to grasp your logic!!