Few Frank Questions To The "Anti-Mufaddal" Bohras.

[ghulam muhammed]

The broader consensus among Bohras and especially among members of this forum is that Mr. Mufaddal Saifuddin is a misfit in the Dai’s chair. He has been rightly condemned and criticised for his faux pass, his unislamic ways and his greed for money. Although Bohras openly criticise him but surprisingly prefer to ignore the same misdeeds which were a part and parcel of the last 2 Dais, this is sheer hypocrisy and double standards as what MS is doing is nothing but carrying on the legacy of his father and grandfather. He is doing exactly what the last 2 Dais had done during their reign. So if MS is guilty then the last 2 Dais are equally guilty and perhaps more……. 2 wrongs cannot make one right !

MS is reprimanded for his shikar trips and hunting of wild animals for sport whereas it is a known fact that the 52nd Dai had killed 10 times more animals then MS.

MS is criticised for extorting money from his followers 24x7 and having marathon Ziafats whereas the 52nd Dai had extorted 100 times more money then MS and has taken much more marathon Ziafats too (refer the thread on ‘Ziafat’). In fact what MS is charging for Ziafats is meagre as compared to the 52nd Dai as the Ziafat rates during SMB’s reign had gone as high as Rs.1.52 crore which in today’s terms (considering the inflation) could be Rs.10 crores. A relative of mine had paid Rs.7 lacs for “Chamar” services (waving a fur wand around the Dai as was done for Mughal kings like Akbar when he was in durbar) some 15 years back and Shaukat Sarkar had paid Rs.21 lacs and gifted a luxury car to SMB some 25 years back. The Sheikh title was sold to someone in Dubai for Rs.27 lacs by SMB some 15 years back and some filthy rich abdes from western countries have reportedly paid as high as Rs.52 lacs.

MS is criticised for purchasing a sea facing bungalow in Sri Lanka whereas SMB owned a bigger bungalow in the picturesque hills of Khandala, the lawn of which is as big as a football ground, he had purchased one in Aligarh (when he was felicitated by AMU). His followers were so hypnotised by him that they gifted him bungalows in Pune, Indore, Sidhpur etc.

MS is criticised for his approach towards Bohra women whereas SMB was a mute spectator when he allowed the women of Udaipur to be manhandled, molested and beaten by his team of Burhani guards in Galiakot when the women had sought an audience with him. The 51st Dai had crossed all limits when his goons exhumed the body of Peerbhai’s wife from the grave and threw the naked corpse on the footpath of Charni road (This was reported in local newspapers also).

MS is criticised for the stampede in Saifee Mahal during the death of SMB whereas many such stampedes have taken place during SMB’s reign and many Bohras have lost their lives too. One such incident happened in Mohammedi/Tayyabi Manzil, opp Raudat Tahera when the balcony on the second floor gave way and many Bohras were crushed in their zeal for deedar of their beloved Mola, the Ahmedabad stampede and death of a couple of Bohras during Shz Huzefabhai saab’s funeral is also well documented and reported in media.

MS is criticised for forcibly taking signatures of Bohras to prove his Nass whereas STS had done something similar when he forcibly took signatures of Bohras and some trustees of Faize Huseini, Karachi in order to usurp the trust and its properties.

MS is criticised for speaking lies in the court of law when he claimed that he had never prevented SKQ and his family from coming to Raudat Tahera and had never abused him anytime whereas STS did a similar thing and lied in the court of law when he said that the Imam is a an imaginary figure which has no basis in Islamic scriptures.

MS is criticised for his delay in announcing the venue for his Mohurrum vayez as the bidding process is underway and the vayez will ultimately be sold to the highest bidder. This was exactly the case with SMB who also selected the venue based upon the money offered to him. His vayez in Colombo was sold for Rs.40 crores and it was reported that his last few vayezs fetched him around Rs.100 crore each coupled with the numerous Ziafats which started right after Ashura, the numerous Sheikh and other titles sold for astronomical sums to rich NRI bohras and the millions of dollars collected in the garb of ‘Imam Hussein a.s. ni niyaz’.

SMB also had the dubious distinction of being the only Dai to have been barred from entering Tanzania and Saudi Arabia for money laundering and unislamic acts respectively.

There are countless other examples which proves that what MS is doing is nothing but just following his father’s footsteps but some people have objections to his ways but all praises for the earlier 2 Dais, they ridicule him but the same acts of earlier 2 Dais are treated as divine and full of “Hikmat”. What a hypocrisy and double standards !!

The Nass controversy is a God sent blessing and an eye opener for Bohras to relook at their faith and understand as to how the deen of Islam has been hijacked by the Bohra clergy since decades in their nefarious designs to amass enormous wealth to fund their ayyash lifestyles. The earlier 2 Dais were not God sent emissaries but were master strategists who hypnotised the community and made a mockery of religion by turning their followers into slaves who deemed slavery as an honour instead of being ashamed of being reduced to slaves. Its high time that Bohras review the acts of the past 2 dais and MS with an unbiased mindset and only then will they realise that they have been taken for a jolly ride since almost 100 years and this is not a recent phenomenan. A glance at the thread "Archives from the PDB website concerning Bohra issues" will give the Bohras a better understanding of how they are mere pawns in the hands of Bohra clergy : viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8319

It is correct to say that MS has gone overboard with his stupid roti making obsession which has reduced even the male bohras into zoombies and the Dabba/Thaali scheme has also turned out to be more of a money making scheme for which his PR and marketing team headed by a Professor of Sydhenam College has to be blamed. Even his bayans are laughable and ridiculous but that’s because he is new to the game and he will acquire the required skills on his way up. Bohras liked SMB’s bayans and the reason was that he had the necessary oratory skills which could keep his audience spell bound and hypnotised for hours together. This is an ART which can be learnt by anyone and is not restricted to SMB alone, history is witness to many great orators like Adolph Hitler and even Bal Thackerey who kept his audience spellbound for hours during his annual Dassera speech at Shivaji Park, Mumbai. Now does that mean that good orators are always righteous ?

Hence, it is better if Bohras come out of their SMB/STS hangover as soon as possible and start practising the true Islam as preached by our great Prophet (s.a.w.) and Mola Ali a.s. whose teachings were diagonally opposite to that of the last 2 bohra Dais who have used Islam only as a tool to amass enormous wealth and subjugate their followers.

[seeker110]

A stupid producing factory. MS is the show piece. Other one has few scratches and dents.

[ghulam muhammed]

MS is reprimanded for his shikar trips and hunting of wild animals for sport whereas it is a known fact that the 52nd Dai had killed 10 times more animals then MS.

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Shikaar akhbar

A summary of shikaar safar of huzer e aala 1429 (as collected from different sources)

Theme of 1429 shikar trip was MASWA JUNGLE ONCE MORE.

As aqa moula arrived in the same jungle of 1428 shikar trip on Wednesday 22nd of October. Aqa moula arrived in maswa jungle in a charter plane.

The first shikar was itself an ejaaz of huzur e aala as it was the hunt of an enormous elephant which was described by the professional hunter as one of the best trophies in Tanzanian history.

As it was very huge and had one of the longest task ever seen in Tanzanian jungle, also the hunt was an ejaaz as hunting of elephant in that particular block was banned by the block owner and the government, but it was just the respect and shaan of huzur e aala, that government and the block owner gave the permission just to aqa moula to hunt elephant.

After that two huge size buffalos were shot by shehzada sahebs, aqa moula after magrib came to have a look at them and said "HAWEY LION BAAQI CHE".

After that aqa moula hunted a buffalo, and an ostrich was shot by shehzada saheb, also some Thomson (Gazelle), Elen, Topi (Damaliskus lunatus) , were shot by qasre ali sahebs.

Hizb-us-saeed gave zyafat to Aqa moula on Saturday night, and also for ziyafat and maqdam of aqa moula were held together by dare es salaam jamat and momineen.

Aqa moula did bayan and especially said;

"Aaa aale rasul ni rida ane baitul batul ni ata tamne yaqinan jannat ma pohchawi desey, tame tamara bawa shafeeq ne khush karwa waste kisam kisam ni khidmat karo chho jaan si, maal si, zaat si.. garaz ekaj chhe ke moula khush thai jaay, aaj me tamne kahu chu ke me tamara si ghano khush chhu, tame saghla ye ghanu behter intezam kidu hatu 'extra ordinary' ".

Aqa moula stayed for 12 days and it was the second longest stay of aqa moula in any jungle.

May allah grant our beloved moula a long and prosperous life till the day of qayamat. Aameen

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4282&p=53025&hilit=qasre+ali#p53025

[Al Zulfiqar]

after reading the above, what else can anyone say, except LAANAT?

after shooting and killing dozens of magnificent creatures, all allah's handiwork, the dai has the heart to say, me ghano khush chhu????

[Akhtiar Wahid]

Koi aa Muffu no Shikar karo please.....anni Joker pandi ghani thai gai che!

[Adam]

I DO NOT agree with the comments posted by Gulam Mohammed.
But I do agree that the concept that the Dawat of the 51st, 52nd and 53rd Dai (Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS) are the same - and this is what the KQ team tries to deliberately twist.

The hanges are being done by KQ, the claimant.

[Ozdundee]

I DO NOT agree with the comments posted by Gulam Mohammed.
But I do agree that the concept that the Dawat of the 51st, 52nd and 53rd Dai (Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS) are the same - and this is what the KQ team tries to deliberately twist.

The hanges are being done by KQ, the claimant.

Adam what part of GMs comments you don't agree with?

That he SMB was gifted and showered money, he had urge to hunt, his oratory skills, his affluent lifestyle?

Regarding KQ do you accept he was STS son? And what is it that KQ twisting...the ideology or his inheritance ?

SKQ has gone on record that he will continue STS legacy ..which may be an issue for reformists but abdes should be rejoicing.

[haqniwaat]

Mr. Mufaddal and company have spewed hatred against Syedna Qutbuddin when he was mazoon of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA. After Syedna RA wafaat, they spewed laanat on him. What part of this massacre of credibility is so difficult to understand? !

[Al Zulfiqar]

I DO NOT agree with the comments posted by Gulam Mohammed.

OMG!! the greatest defender of the dawat and the most erudite scholar of obscure bohra history - adam - does not agree with bro. gm!

surely now this is a sign of qayamat. the entire qayenaat will soon come to an end. i am surprised that earthquakes, tsunami's, cyclones and destructive forest fires, massive volcano eruptions, famines and revengeful alien invasions haven't yet been unleashed by allah, angered that his dai's representative DOES NOT AGREE and has been upset by bro. gm.

have su ne su thai jaase... aaaaa hu dekhu se chu..ke hamara aqa ane mola ghana khafa thaya che, ke emna mureed and fedayeen nabi adam ni beizzati thai chhe.. have e misal no zalzalo thaase ke munafeqeen no koi valvalo kaam nahi aave..

[ghulam muhammed]

The 51st Dai had crossed all limits when his goons exhumed the body of Peerbhai’s wife from the grave and threw the naked corpse on the footpath of Charni road (This was reported in local newspapers also).

Peerbhai's wife should be read as Peerbhai's daughter-in-law... Sorry for the typing error.

When Amtullah bai, the daughter-in-law of Sir Adamji died on 12th July 1930, Taher Saifuddin Maula refused her burial in the Bohra Kabrastan at Charni Road, then her body was buried in the nearby plot behind Sir Adamji Peerbhoy Sanatorium owned by Sir Adamji's family. Taher Saifuddin Maula sent four Bohra fanatics in the dead of night who dug her grave and threw the naked body on the footpath in front of the Sanatorium. Bombay Samachar wrote a front page Editorial with the photograph of the body lying on the footpath. Morarji Desai who was the Home Minister of Bombay Province then was first person to see it. So he moved a motion in the assembly for prevention of excommunication stating that "Bohra Mullaji's powers are "Monstrous" (Shaitanic).

[ghulam muhammed]

I DO NOT agree with the comments posted by Gulam Mohammed.

What does the great Adam have to say about the above mentioned post ???

[Al Zulfiqar]

I DO NOT agree with the comments posted by Gulam Mohammed.

What does the great Adam have to say about the above mentioned post ???

bro gm,

you should know this weasel well by now. ask him any uncomfortable questions and he will disappear with his tail between his legs.

[maethist]

The 51st Dai had crossed all limits when his goons exhumed the body of Peerbhai’s wife from the grave and threw the naked corpse on the footpath of Charni road (This was reported in local newspapers also).

Peerbhai's wife should be read as Peerbhai's daughter-in-law... Sorry for the typing error.

When Amtullah bai, the daughter-in-law of Sir Adamji died on 12th July 1930, Taher Saifuddin Maula refused her burial in the Bohra Kabrastan at Charni Road, then her body was buried in the nearby plot behind Sir Adamji Peerbhoy Sanatorium owned by Sir Adamji's family. Taher Saifuddin Maula sent four Bohra fanatics in the dead of night who dug her grave and threw the naked body on the footpath in front of the Sanatorium. Bombay Samachar wrote a front page Editorial with the photograph of the body lying on the footpath. Morarji Desai who was the Home Minister of Bombay Province then was first person to see it. So he moved a motion in the assembly for prevention of excommunication stating that "Bohra Mullaji's powers are "Monstrous" (Shaitanic).

If Sayedna Taher Seifuddin is responsible for this monstrosity then it is simply beyond words to express abhorrence towards this inhuman, outrageous and horrendous act.

[ghulam muhammed]

When you have a problem tree in the orchard, chopping branches won’t help. Get to the roots of the problem.

---- Anonymous.

[JC]

Biggest qualifications for abdes and amtes ........... hypocrites, non-believers and liars ............

Maula tamnay munafik, mushrik anay jhuta thawoo Mubarak anay mohana karjo .......

Mubarak Munafik, Mubarak Mushrik, Mubarak Jhota ........... Mubarak, Mubarak, Mubarak Aaa Zilat Anay Ghulami Nee Zindagi, Mubarak, Mubarak .........

[Ozdundee]

The 51st Dai had crossed all limits when his goons exhumed the body of Peerbhai’s wife from the grave and threw the naked corpse on the footpath of Charni road (This was reported in local newspapers also).

Peerbhai's wife should be read as Peerbhai's daughter-in-law... Sorry for the typing error.

When Amtullah bai, the daughter-in-law of Sir Adamji died on 12th July 1930, Taher Saifuddin Maula refused her burial in the Bohra Kabrastan at Charni Road, then her body was buried in the nearby plot behind Sir Adamji Peerbhoy Sanatorium owned by Sir Adamji's family. Taher Saifuddin Maula sent four Bohra fanatics in the dead of night who dug her grave and threw the naked body on the footpath in front of the Sanatorium. Bombay Samachar wrote a front page Editorial with the photograph of the body lying on the footpath. Morarji Desai who was the Home Minister of Bombay Province then was first person to see it. So he moved a motion in the assembly for prevention of excommunication stating that "Bohra Mullaji's powers are "Monstrous" (Shaitanic).

Gmbhai...i could not come to terms to liking your article because I don't want to like such a disgusting act as it is....I know conspiracy theories will blossom from die hard abdes...but regardless this is a really bad act from STS or his era.

Is that the naked body ....my Allah I cannot believe how low we can stoop in our issues. This questions whether we need to for once and all uproot this false administration . If abdes and Bohras wish to elevate these evil family to be their saviours then as I have mentioned we need to leave them and let them to decay into oblivion.

I cannot read Gujarati and rely on your translation...

The 4 fanatics who are they any clues ...they must be old but their families must be somewhere ....

The families of the fanatics are not guilty but they carry the shame of this absolutely inhuman act...I have no words to describe how abhorrent their actions are.

And if it is true as it says and STS is the mastermind ....then this increases my resolve to severely punish and shame this kothar STS and SMB administration ....now SMS .

including SKQ is not guilt free he needs to show integrity if he has, to absolutely and unequivocally denounce the actions of his fathers administration for inflicting such oppression...by not standing up he is harming his gain to the leadership claim.

[DisillusionedDB]

Ozdundee,
I would disagree on just the last point. You cannot expect SKQ (or even SMS) to denounce this heinous act of oppression. Come to think of it, in effect, they would be saying that STS's act was a gross wrong-doing, whereas, in bohra beliefs, the Dai is infallible. How could they denounce this act and yet accept infallibility of Dai ? They have to choose between the two. Either STS did the right thing or he was not fit to be Dai which again would cast a doubt over the existence and Dai-making decision of Imam. So to continue eulogising the past Dais, they cannot condemn this act.
Furthermore, just by condemning the men who carried it out would be like killing the proverbial messenger. We have to understand that they acted on someone's order. Who gave the order may be a contentious issue.

[ghulam muhammed]

I cannot read Gujarati and rely on your translation...

Bro Ozdundee,

The paper clipping says the following :-

HRUDAY KAMPAAVNARO BANAAV

ALIBHAI SIR ADAMJI PEERBHAI NA BAIRO LADY AMTULLAH BAI NI LAASH NAGN (NAKED) HAALAT MA CHARNI ROAD NA FOOTPATH PAR.

Maa mayaalu bohra kom ma hruday kampaavnaro ek banaav gai kaale 20 December na roj ye banyo chhe. Mumbai na maaji sharif ane sakhi-saudagar Sir Admaji na bahu ane temna dikra Alibhai Sir Adamji Peerbhai na bairo Lady Amtullah bai ni laash nagn haalat ma charni road na footpath par padeli jova ma aavi hati.

Sir Adamji na dikra o ye bohra kom na vada mullaji saame Mumbai High Court ma ek case karyo hato jeno chukaado haal 1921 ma aavi chuko chhe. Aa case ma paraajay pachi vada mullaji ye temna baalpan na mitra Sir Adamji na parivar ne jamaatkharij karyo chhe.

Tem chhata 20 mi December ye jyaare temna putra Alibhai na bairo guzri gaya to teni laash ne Dawoodi Bohra Qabrastan ma dafan karva vada mullaji ne araz karva ma aavi pan vada mullaji raaji na thaya. Sir Adamji na charni road par sanatorium ni paachal Sir sahib no ek khaangi plot chhe tema laash ne dafan karva ma aavi.

Nagn haalat ma footpath par feki deva aavi hati. Kabar khodi laash kaarnar 4 bohrao ma thi be Ismo, Ismail Bapadwala ane Nooro Lungiwala ni shanaak police ye kari chhe ane teo ni talaash sanatorium ma rehta ek Muslim yuva ni madad thi kari rahi chhe. Post mortem pachi laash fari dafan kari deva ma aavi chhe je upar police no 24 kalaak no pehro besaadva ma aavyo chhe.

Aa Kaavatra ma vada mullaji nu naam aava thi temne chaaro taraf thi Pitkaar mali rahi chhe temaj bohra kom ma dehshat no vaatavaran felaayo chhe.

Morarjibhai Desai Mumbai ma temna dikra Kantibhai na marine lines wala flat ma mukaam raakhe chhe ane dar roj savaare marine lines charni road na footpath par jogging karva nikle chhe. Gai kale teo ye aa laash joi ane police ne khabar kari hati. Aa baabat e Mumbai ma ghani charcha thai rahi chhe. Vada mullaji aa banaav bane te pehlaaj chhelli khatmi na bahaane Surat na Dumas mukaam e ravaana thai gaya hata. Jamat na amuk motera o aa sharam naak ghatna ne dabaavi deva prayatno kari rahya chhe. Dharm ni aavi Raakshasi satta ne logo vakhaadi rahya chhe.

[canadian]

Ghulambhai:

Thank you. God bless you.

[Ozdundee]

GM Bhai thank you...that makes a big impact ...between you and I , I trust you and would rely without doubt, but what you have disclosed verbatim has to make an impact to the naive.

Admin please see how can we store the scanned clipping and translation in a gallery..this is a masterpiece that shows, you have evidence that the oppression goes beyond 1920s......., that is a worry we are soon reaching or have passed a century of reform fight ...

I am still disturbed by that image ..I think we should send a link to our abde contacts...this will help chip away the stupidly affinity they have for these evil family.

.please someone tell me that that was the worst recorded atrocity, if there is I will be heartbroken ...is there evidence of anything worse cruelty within our community than the above story ...I remember the beating of women in udaipur, What else ?

Where are the people mentioned..or their descendants ?

Ismail Bapadwala ane Nooro Lungiwala

Are they still abdes or have they realised their mistakes ?

[ghulam muhammed]

please some tell me that that was the worst recorded atrocity ...is there evidence of anything worse cruelty than the above story ...

There are scores of such inhuman atrocities committed by the 51st and the 52nd Dai, herein below are excerpts of some articles posted on this forum :-

1) After the humiliating defeat in the Chandabhoy Galla Case, Taher Saifuddin Maula went to Surat but he managed a murderous attack on Ebrahimji Adamji Peerbhoy and when Ebrahimji was admitted in Cama Hospital he sent flowers and wished him well as a childhood friend.

2) In June 1966 Burhanuddin saab went to Karachi and sent his men to kill Mulla Abbas Aurangabadi who entered in his house, tied him with a chair and burnt him alive by pouring petrol on his body in broad day light. Mulla Abass died in the Karachi's Civil Hospital next day after giving his dying declaration naming Burhanuddin Maula and his brother Yusuf Najmuddin as conspirators.

3) On 1st March 1973 the innocent women of Udaipur were molested and dishonoured in his presence. They were shouting Maula Bachao, Maula Bachao" but he kept smiling. That resulted in the mass revolt against Burhanuddin Maula in Udaipur.

4) Mohmedbhai Shamshuddin Cutpiecewala of Surat had given oral evidence in the criminal court at Surat 50 years ago against forcible signatures for exemption for the operation of the Wakf Act 1923. He was beaten up and he has been socially boycotted since then. Tayyabbhai M. Bolbol, Zakiruddin Kadarbhai Roker and Taherbhai Abdul Gafur Kinkhabwala aged 82 years, have been under Baraat since the Chandabhai Galla case. Besides ruining their business they had the other horrible experience of having dirt and human excreta thrown on their person.

5) Mrs. Fatimabai Saddiqali Tinwala aged 50 years from Udaipur states that because her family was with the reformist group, her son's wife from orthodox family deserted him and sent to them their six year old crippled girl. She was continuously crying for her mother. When they informed them their reply was "let her die"( bala jaye) and ultimately despite medical treatment she died. Before her death they informed her to visit their daughter. When she came with her brother she had already expired. They assaulted them and false complaint was made that they had poisoned the girl. After post-mortem they were declared innocent.

6) ‘In the name of religion and God, he (Syedna Burhanuddin, supreme head priest of the Bohra community) has structured an ungodly, irreligious and inhuman order, the likes of which will shame even the most despotic rulers. That he continues to defy even the minimum norms of free expression and freedom in an open democratic society like India is a slur on the nation and that he does it with impunity is a challenge to every thinking person.’
— From the ‘Report on Violation of Human Rights of Dawoodi Bohras’. Prepared by the two-member inquiry commission comprising of the former Chief Justice of Calcutta High Court, D.S. Tewatia and the president of the Citizens for Democracy, Kuldip Nayar, in 1993.

7) On 6 Muharram 1395 Hijri a brutal attack was launched in Moayyadpura mosque with lathis and knives by Shababis as they were called upon innocent men, women and children who had gathered there for the majlis of Imam Husain (AS). Blood was shed in the mosque, many were injured and one person was killed. It resulted in a series of court cases and Burhanuddin Sahib and his men fought hard for the re-possession of the Moayyadpura and other mosques which were now under the control of the reformist group including the shrines in Udaipur. After much bickering it was decided by the court that Mullaji will be allowed to share only the Moayyadpura mosque with the reformist group.

On 7-4-1417 AH/21-8-1996 AD they exhibited their unending cruelty and hatred by demolishing the grave of 29th Alavi Da’i Saiyedna Ali Shamsuddin Shaheed (aq), the son of S. Ibraheem and the grandson of Saiyedna Shaikh Aadam Safiyuddin Saheb (aq) – the 28th Da’i-e-Mutlaq. Saiyedna Ali Shamsuddin Shaheed (aq) is the most eminent and distinguished Da’i (missionary) because Alavi Bohras derive their name from him. The main purpose of demolition of the graves was to remove the signs of spiritual attachment of Alavis from the Bohra cemetery. This mean task was carried out on the behest of some envious anti-Alavi elements in the Da’wat hierarchy of Dawoodis.

9 )Atrocities on the 4 Jamea Ustads:-

The Mullaji Saheb first declared Baraat against Sajjad Hussain and his three colleagues. The Sayedna started the practice of presenting them as “Maloon” (hated being or Satan) and informed the followers accordingly in all places by a circular. He thereafter called the family members of the four teachers to his Devdi (Surat headquarter) and told them either to expel the four persons from their family or to leave them collectively and to curse (utter Laanat against) them. When they refused to do so, they were manhandled by the followers of Mullaji and Baraat was declared against the family members also. This resulted in the severance of relations of the community with them and made their lives miserable.

Before the dismissal of these four teachers from the college, they were called by the Sayedna on 1-1-1971. They kept them standing, surrounded by teachers and pupils of the college. The pupils as well as the teachers were then asked to utter ‘Laanat’ against them and to spit on them and also abuse them. After this they were pushed out and dismissed. On same day at night, a mob of 300 persons went to their houses and looted household property and religious books. At that time Sheikh Hasanali was called and severely beaten by the pupils. During religious occasions and especially during Moharram and Ramazan, the priestly class used to provoke the orthodox followers by falsely alleging that these four teachers were drinking alcohol and eating tobacco and that they will be murdered or their house will be looted and burnt if they did not apologize.

The witness’s wife was forced to divorce him. His 4 month old daughter Nasrin was considered “Haram” i.e. bastard. Similarly the son-in-law of Sheikh Hasanali was forced to divorce his wife as he was serving in Mullaji’s establishment and had, therefore, to carry out their order even though he was deeply attached to his wife. The second son-in-law of Sheikh Ahmedali (one of the four teachers) was not forced to divorce his wife because he and his wife in the presence of Sayedna abused and uttered “Laanat” against all the four teachers including Sheikh Ahmedali.


In 1972, the wife of Sheikh Ali Ahmed expired after much humiliating treatment. Permission was granted for her burial. But all Bohras were asked not to participate in the burial. A condition was imposed that if any of the four boycotted teachers participated in the burial ceremony, the dead body would be thrown out from the graveyard. Consequently six young members of the family had to carry the dead body for about one and half miles in Ramazan when they were observing fast and were hungry as well as thirsty. The grave digger was sent away and the witness had to arrange for another grave digger. Even though the death took place at 10.00 a.m. the burial took place at 5.00 p.m. The same thing happened when the witness’s aunt late Fatima Sheikh Hasanali expired.

The priestly class kept on telling the orthodox followers that this rubbish (meaning 4 teachers) must be removed from Surat. On 22-11-1974 at night the teachers and pupils and other miscreants held a meeting at the school and after planning the assault they divided themselves into three groups and attacked the witness’ family ‘i.e. the family of his father Sajjad Hussain at about 10.00 p.m. The house of the witness’s uncle was raided but he and others were able to save their lives by closing the front door and escaping through the back door. They were saved by Hindus. All household furniture, utensils were looted and stones were thrown and food was destroyed and costly articles and glass-ware were broken. Sheikh Ali Ahmed and his family members also were protected by neighbouring Hindu families.

The witness and his father were surrounded by Bohras and the neighbouring families could not help them. Some of the raiders broke into the house and started beating the witness and his father, The witness tried to protect his father and so they concentrated on the witness. He was dragged out. The witness was beaten and asked to leave his father and utter Laanat against him. His clothes were torn and his body was bleeding. He lost consciousness. With great difficulty when he went to his house he saw that his father was in a semiconscious condition. Serious injuries were inflicted on him by the mob and his ribs were injured. His furniture, radio and sewing machine etc. were destroyed including food and water. Costly things were taken away. His 4 month old daughter was not spared. The wounded father of the witness expired on 25-11-1974 at the residence of a staunch reformist Sheth Taherbhai Abdul Gafoor Kinkhabwala. When the father died the priestly class celebrated his death and their victory by a show of fireworks from 2.00 to 10.00 p.m. and sweets were distributed.

[anajmi]

So now, if we were to follow this board's definition of a wahhabi, who is the actual wahhabi? The dawoodi bohra Dai is!!

[Ozdundee]

Wow...I fell of my seat...this is really sad log of events...the image of SMB , who I grew as ingrained in my mind by my parents is now shattered forever ...I had only mistrust and was ignoring his brutal side but the way you have summarised is mind turning . He had a very manipulative evil side...

I will use these material soon to raise awareness in bohra public, the young generation must know our history the good and the evil. They cannot continue naive way of ganu jivo and have the rosy picture . I cannot continue to accept and do nothing...they must be held accountable for their atrocities, ..the victims deserve our action...the best way is to erode their credibility amongst their followers and public.

Gmbhai thank you for your excellent response ...I pray Allah reward and bless you for your service

Zinger and Adam, and all the readers of who disagree with reformist agenda ...how can you continue your ideology in presence of such terrible events ....

I plea , Even if you are related to KasreAli , surely you have a conscience , you cannot ignore this and continue defending them. Join us in restoring civility in our community .

[haqniwaat]

First of all, I wonder how much of this "information" given in depth is exactly as it happened and not cream puffed, and secondly, Syedna RA was aware of how much of this and to what degree, knowing that, just like the najmuddins today, Yusuf BS was present then and controlled more than we can fathom. As we can clearly see how the Syedna's RA mazoon is being treated today.

[ghulam muhammed]

So now, if we were to follow this board's definition of a wahhabi, who is the actual wahhabi? The dawoodi bohra Dai is!!

Let me reproduce my old post :-

Re: Are Kotharis different from Taliban or Corrupt Politicians

Talibans - They brainwash their subjects in Madrassas.
Kothar - They brainwash their subjects in Jamea and sabaks.

Talibans - Strict dress code, men without beard and women without burka are whipped and punished publicly.
Kothar - Strict dress code, men without beard and women without rida are denied their membership and have to forego various social gatherings, nikahs not performed, obstacles during burial of their near and dear ones.

Talibans - They produce suicide bombers with their brainwashing tactics.
Kothar - They produce slaves who dont demand their fundamental and democratic rights.

Talibans - Their followers proudly call themselves Mujahids.
Kothar - Their followers proudly call themselves Abdes (Slaves).

Talibans - They allegedly fund their organisations by arms trade, narcotics and extortion.
Kothar - They fund their cult by extorting moneis thru forced extortion and various unislamic taxes.

Talibans - They mislead muslims by falsely propagating a violent version of Islam.
Kothar - They mislead their followers by falsely propagating a greedy version of Islam.

Talibans - Their thrust is on prayers, fast, haj.
Kothar - Their thrust is on wajebat, mola and ONLY More-La.

Talibans - They market videos of their slain followers in order to attract other muslims.
Kothar - They market the battle of karbala in order to rake in more moolah during Mohurrum vayez.

Talibans - They attack anti muslim personals.
Kothar - They embrace and fund anti-muslim personals e.g.Modi, Thackerey, Advani etc etc.

Talibans - They operate from hilly terrains and tora borah.
Kothar - They operate from palaces like saifee mahal, khandala bungalows and other exotic european locales.

Talibans - There are media reports of some foreigners getting converted to islam during their captivity.
Kothar - There are ZERO conversions.

Talibans - They are ruthless killers who dont spare even women and shoot them in head in public grounds.
Kothar - They are ruthless animals who dont spare even women and dig their bodies from the grave and throw it on public footpaths.

Talibans - They cause sectarian strifes.
Kothar - They cause sectarian strifes.

Talibans - Their leader Osama Bin Laden had 4 wives.
Kothar - Their leader Taher Saifuddin saheb also had 4 wives.

Talibans - They are WITH majority of ummah who is against George Bush for his atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Kothar - They are AGAINST majority of ummah who are against Modi for his role in mass genocide in gujarat.

Talibans - Their leaders fight alongwith their followers.
Kothar - Their leader runs away leaving his followers in a lurch during a fight. (52nd dai running away in police van during bohra/sunni riots in mohurrum).

Talibans - They claim to be the only sect which is guaranteed paradise.
Kothar - They also claim to be the only sect which is guranteed paradise, they further their claim by way of a recomendation letter from their leader (ruku chithi).

More to follow.............

[Critical_Thinker]

I am sure there are many skeletons in many closets, but is there any proof? Without evidence, it is merely rumour which only a few people will believe.

[SBM]

I am sure there are many skeletons in many closets, but is there any proof? Without evidence, it is merely rumour which only a few people will believe.

But if there is smoke, there has to be fire

[JC]

I am sure there are many skeletons in many closets, but is there any proof? Without evidence, it is merely rumour which only a few people will believe.

But if there is smoke, there has to be fire

Bro the smoke is from BUKHUR ................

[Critical_Thinker]

I am sure there are many skeletons in many closets, but is there any proof? Without evidence, it is merely rumour which only a few people will believe.

But if there is smoke, there has to be fire

How do you define smoke? Unsubstantiated posts on the internet by an anonymous writer with no proof of anything?
In that case I can do the same too;
Ghulam muhammed is really a member of the saudi royal family and heavily involved with all their atrocities.
In your opinion, the above is smoke, therefore there must be fire.

[ghulam muhammed]

Sister Critical_Thinker,

Unsubstantiated posts on the internet by an anonymous writer with no proof of anything?

Most of the posts are by known writers although many of them operate on this forum on anonymous basis and regarding proofs, majority of the posts provide proofs which stare at your face and some are circumstantial. Even the court of law accepts circumstantial evidences as not everything can be proved in black and white.... It requires some common sense also which some people lack and for which nothing can be done !!