Ten Years that wrecked the Character & Mentality of Bohras

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S. Insaf
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Ten Years that wrecked the Character & Mentality of Bohras

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:18 am

1962 to 1972 - Ten Years that wrecked the Character & Mentality of Bohras
The Civilized, Self-respected and Upright, Dawoodi Bohras
turned in to Brute, Boot-licking, and Spineless

50th Dawoodi Bohra Dai, Sayedna Abdullah Badruddin Sahib prepared and sign the Nass document in favour of his eldest son, Tayyeb Bhai Sahib as he was critically ill. But Tayyeb Bhai Saheb Sahib dies a mysterious death on 10th Safar 1333 (23th December 1914). A month after Tayyeb Bhaisahib Zainuddin's death, Abdullah Badruddin Sahib died on 10th Rabiul Awwal 1333 (24th January 1915). Immediately his second son, Taher Baisaheb Saifuddin assumed the office of Dai. Sayedna Taher Saifuddin was intelligent, cunning, over-ambitious, scheming and ruthless. Immediately after assuming the office of Dai he left the dilapidated old devri, in Zanpa Bazar, Surat and came down to Bombay, the commercial capital of India. On one side he projected his image as exclusively great religious and divine personality by stage-managing meetings with world-dignitaries and by acquiring hounorary titles and degrees, on the other side he parted with traditional simplicity, God-fearing and honest life and started a life of extreme luxury. Soon he turned in to a filthy materialist, robbing community's trust funds and properties. The Dawoodi Bohra Community was on the right path of Islam when prosperity had not come in the community. But around early 19th century due to Government tenders and contracts to honest and hardworking Dawoodi Bohras during first and second world wars wealth and prosperity came in the community. The credit must be given to 48th Dai Sayedna Abdul Husain Hushamuddin that he persuaded newly-rich Bohras to construct masjids and rest-houses (Musafarkhanas) at various centers of pilgrimage for Bohras. The most properties of the community were built or establish and they were on 99 years lease which were due to expire somewhere in 1950s or 1960s. Sayedna Taher Saifuddin set his eyes on these properties and floated various temporary trusts in his own name, such as Dawat-e-Hadiyah Trustee, Saifee Foundation Trust etc. He made his family members trustees in these newly formed trusts and he became the Sole-Trustee of these Trustee with absolute powers. Having done this Taher Saifuddin now let loose his religious mafia gang to pressurized the original honest trustees to declare Mullaji Saheb as sole trustees of their trusts and properties and Then Taher Saifuddin compelled the original trustees to resign so that his own family members and his stogies can become the trustees in their place. Having done this Taher Saifuddin ordered the new trustees (his family members) to take the fresh lease directly in favour of the newly-formed secular trusts through misrepresentations and by gaining favour of various government officials through corrupt practices. This was in order to wipe out the original religious and charitable objects of these trusts and also to acquire total control over these properties. In order to establish his supremacy, Taher Saifuddin who was called Mullaji Saheb in the initial period of his Dai-ship soon started addressing himself as Dai-ul-Mutlaq, Sultanul-Bawahir, Shamud-Duatul-Mutlaqeen, Naib-e-Imam, Ilahul-Ard (God on earth), Owner of soul, body, mind and properties of his followers, Divine and Spiritual personality and All-knowing, and infallible, and above all supreme authority to allot choicest accommodation in the heaven to his loyalists.
As for as Dai was concerned Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb raised himself to the level of God, but as for as Bohras were concerned he lowered them down to the level of bonded slaves.
After becoming Dai the first thing he did that he altered the text of Misaq. He introduced "Dai" with Imam and imposed the Misaq for Dai as most essential part of Dawoodi Bohra Faith, though Misaq Imam and had remained a customary practice. He also made the condition harsher in the Misaq such as:-
"You shall accept the orders of Dai in all things. You shall love him/her whom the Dai loves. You shall be enemy to him/her against whom the Dai is hostile.
You shall war against him/her against whom the Dai makes war."
These inhuman conditions made Dawoodi Bohras absolute slaves of Sayedna. The peace-loving community became hatred monger, violent and revengeful. The civilized Bohras became uncivilized and brute who went up to the extent that at the instigation of Sayedna Taher Saifuddin, they exhumed the dead body of Sir Adamji Peerbhoy's daughter-in-law from her grave, removed its shroud and threw the naked on the footpath, they burnt Abbas Aurangabadi alive in brought day light, student violently attacked their senior teacher, they enjoyed stoning the dead bodies and torturing their own blood relations. This act was one of the biggest sin committed by Sayedna Taher Saifuddin.
He further invented a lethal weapon "Jamat Kharij" to install permanent fear in the minds of the Bohras.
Even then few courageous and upright Bohras kept on challenging him for his wrongdoings. But the verdic of Supreme Court on 10th January 1962, declaring excommunication purely on religious ground invalid, was a shot in arm for Sayedna Taher Saifuddin. After celebrating "great victory" (Fateh Mubeen) he most vigorously worked usurping the community's funds and properties and further suppressed the community.
He also introduced the system of "Raza" and snatched away all the freedom from the Bohras. Now Bohras were required to seek Dai's or his Amil's Raza for naming a child, performing Aquiqa, Nikah, burial, majlis, ziyarat, social functions, opening a shop, establishing charitable institution, school, college, even namaz, hajj, niyaz-e-Husain and reciting marsiyah/nohas etc.
Fortunately he lived just four more there after. But he insured that his large family live in utmost luxury in palaces and are known as Shahzadas and Shahzadis.
His son and 52nd. Dai, Sayedna Mohammad Burhanuddin Saheb ruled the community on his father's footsteps till the mass-revolt in Udaipur in 1972. Then in order to prevent the community from the influence of the Bohra Youth reform movement he further imposed the dress-code and e-Jamaat cards. All these innovations forced on the community especially from 1962 t0 1972, for the sake of absolute control over the community by Dai and his family, wrecked the character & mentality of Bohras and turned the civilized, self-respected and upright, Dawoodi Bohras in to brute, boot-licking, and spineless.

Tahermakka
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Re: Ten Years that wrecked the Character & Mentality of Bohr

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Unread post by Tahermakka » Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:11 am

In your dreams Mr insaaf,

one straight question to you, do u even pray salah? sorry but your face looks like a hindu and I dont see any sense/alamaat of Islam on it.

with this face talking fear of ALLAH doesnt suits you.
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Unread post by Tahermakka » Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:14 am

at least first look and behave like muslim, so people can pay any attention to your talk, with this hindufied look talking Quran doesnt makes sense.

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Unread post by Tahermakka » Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:17 am

read history of dawat and you will find, discipline and complete surrender to haq naa Dai is basic tenants of dawoodi bohra, and if you are not ready to follow this basic things there is no point to keep crying for it.

join chovisya wahabiya who are like iblis and they deny to bow down to adam of zamaan, just like how iblis denied to bow down to Adam.

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Re: Ten Years that wrecked the Character & Mentality of Bohr

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:37 am

My brothr Taher Makka, why are you showing such a hypocrisy, your current fake and dubious Dai Syedna Muffadal Saifuddin was made dai because some Hindu in some village of Gujarat had dream, he didn't hug any muslimeen sahebs who had visited during the demise of SMB(RA) but he happily hugged a Hindu Guru Baba Ramdev.
Please do not talk about hindufied and hindufying. Your Moula is Hindu it clearly shows,
please do not comment on looks, your moula looks like Muslim but behaves like Hindu!

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:39 am

one straight question to you, do u even pray salah? sorry but your face looks like a hindu and I dont see any sense/alamaat of Islam on it.
Tahermakka
Your Master SMS hugged Baba Ramdev, he gave shawl to NaMo, He gets Wadhwa done on him like Hindus do on Ganpati so tell us who is more Hindu
Saif Insaf or your Masters Kothari Goons?

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:39 am

Just like how Muffadal refused to bow down to the current 53rd Dai Syedna khuzeima Qutbuddin sahib, who was kept as mansoos and mazoon for 50 years!

Tahermakka
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Unread post by Tahermakka » Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:35 am

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:My brothr Taher Makka, why are you showing such a hypocrisy, your current fake and dubious Dai Syedna Muffadal Saifuddin was made dai because some Hindu in some village of Gujarat had dream, he didn't hug any muslimeen sahebs who had visited during the demise of SMB(RA) but he happily hugged a Hindu Guru Baba Ramdev.
Please do not talk about hindufied and hindufying. Your Moula is Hindu it clearly shows,
please do not comment on looks, your moula looks like Muslim but behaves like Hindu!
kyaa baat kar rahe ho akhtiar sahab, kyaa baba ramdev ke peeche pade ho.

woh syedna sahab ko milne aaya tha aur koi mehmaan aake gale mile to use dhakka nahi diya jata, watch the video on you tube and find out it was ramdev to hugged syedna mufaddal and not vice versa.

use brain and just dont curse for the sake of cursing.

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Unread post by Tahermakka » Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:41 am

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:Just like how Muffadal refused to bow down to the current 53rd Dai Syedna khuzeima Qutbuddin sahib, who was kept as mansoos and mazoon for 50 years!
how many mazoon siblings joined him? first I thought mazoon is on haq, but now I can see he was just looking for importance, no wonder not even his siblings or mukasir is supporting him.

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:57 am

woh syedna sahab ko milne aaya tha aur koi mehmaan aake gale mile to use dhakka nahi diya jata,
Achaa esi baat hei tau jaab SKQ key bachey Raudat Tahera mein ziyaraat karney aey they us waqt aap ki Mehman Nawazi kahan chali gayee thi?

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:33 am

bro taher
since when looks become important?
and what is hindufied way by the way
and why do u hate hindus so much.
ur maula actually praises them.
offering salah is personal between him and allah.
do u want to intercede on behalf.
i dont know if he prays or not, but that has nothing to do with what he says.
come to the fact bro and dissect his speech.
not his looks
do muslims have any other face than normal humanbeings?

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:36 am

osama bin laden and shahruk khan have very distinctly different face from each other.
both r muslims in general sense of word.
do u accept both r muslims from their looks?

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:41 am

Mohammed Ali, the champ---Malcolm X---Kareem Abdul Jabbar--Hakim Iljawohn---they are all black and very good Muslims better Muslims then some of our Mumin Brothers

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:42 am

Tahermakka wrote: how many mazoon siblings joined him? first I thought mazoon is on haq, but now I can see he was just looking for importance, no wonder not even his siblings or mukasir is supporting him.
Wasn't it the former mukasir who so openly used to DEFEND Syedna Qutbuddin when he was mazoon?! How quickly we forget! Either ms has done some "kaalu jaadu" on him via his mother-in-law and/or threatened him - which they're very good at doing.

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Unread post by topiwala » Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:59 am

All those names are wahhabi converts , so you set them as examples?

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:28 am

topiwala wrote:All those names are wahhabi converts , so you set them as examples?
Where do you live? Do you only deal with Dawoodi Bohra in your daily life, business,. work or school..

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:45 am

I think so he is from the bohra fraternity, who sleeps, eats, works and does mataam 24/7, his life starts with bohra and ends with bohra.....the world is unknown to him.
Moula Muffadal has bestowed topiwala name to him he has got azeem sharaf of doing " ISKE TOPI USKE SAR"

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Unread post by adna_mumin » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:16 am

As usual the hatred for 51st and 52nd dai - the sole reason the few people that come here to engage will seem badly repelled. Mr. Insaf in his ripe age has to resort to hearsay and one factual error after another to try to keep his belief. But he may be entitled to them.

Example:
"Immediately his second son, Taher Baisaheb Saifuddin assumed the office of Dai. "

Whose son was Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA? :)

"50th Dawoodi Bohra Dai, Sayedna Abdullah Badruddin Sahib prepared and sign the Nass document in favour of his eldest son, Tayyeb Bhai Sahib as he was critically ill. "

If you are in posession of such a document, isn't it about time you came out with it? What have you done with it?
Or if you do not possess it as is likely or else you would already have publicised it, stop spreading lies and hatred and fear Allah TA.

That is about all the time i would wish to waste on this filth.

Wallaho Aalam.

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Unread post by subcon111 » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:45 am

51st Dai, Syedna Taher Saifuddin was the nephew of the 50th Dai and the son of the 49th Dai Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin. I don't know enough about the Bohra history to know whether the 50th Dai planned to do nass on his own son over his nephew.

As to changing of the misaq document, SKQ side claim that the misaq document wasn't changed since first compiled till SMS put the word 'mansoos' in the document. It is conceivable that the 51st Dai would modify it to strengthen his hold on the Bohras.

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Unread post by canadian » Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:07 pm

Tahermakka wrote:In your dreams Mr insaaf,

one straight question to you, do u even pray salah? sorry but your face looks like a hindu and I dont see any sense/alamaat of Islam on it.

with this face talking fear of ALLAH doesnt suits you.
Well, we are all converts from Hinduism, so should we not look like Hindu?

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Unread post by Tahermakka » Sun Oct 26, 2014 1:09 pm

canadian wrote:
Tahermakka wrote:In your dreams Mr insaaf,

one straight question to you, do u even pray salah? sorry but your face looks like a hindu and I dont see any sense/alamaat of Islam on it.

with this face talking fear of ALLAH doesnt suits you.
Well, we are all converts from Hinduism, so should we not look like Hindu?
our forefathers were converts, not the present generation, we are born muslims and we should respect islamic attire and looks.

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sun Oct 26, 2014 1:38 pm

Tahermakka wrote: sorry but your face looks like a hindu
tahermatka,

so anyone not keeping a beard is a hindu? that would make barack obama a hindu, pope francis a hindu, david cameron a hindu, nawaz sharif a hindu, pervez musharraf a hindu. but by the same token baba ramdev looks like a muslim mullah, also narendra modi like a bohra shaikh... no wonder mufatlal goes around hugging them.

now this much intelligent discussion is enough for your tiny brain. go back to raising your backside in reverse sajda to your allah on earth. hope you ask your darzi to stitch a patch of yellow cloth on the seat of all your hijaars?

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Unread post by canadian » Sun Oct 26, 2014 2:53 pm

^
Thank you AZ, for replying to Telemakka. I shall assume it was on my behalf.

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Unread post by think » Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:13 pm

tahir makka ; dadhi me islam nahi hai . just because one does not have a beard. you cannot judge.

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Unread post by haqniwaat » Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:18 pm

God Almighty, who is this Tahermakhi freak?! Another brainwashed muffy fan, of course! The glamour, the glitter, the Cinderella AC carriage - all doing their tricks! Muffy's magical wonderland!

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Unread post by zinger » Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:22 am

SBM wrote:
one straight question to you, do u even pray salah? sorry but your face looks like a hindu and I dont see any sense/alamaat of Islam on it.
Tahermakka
Your Master SMS hugged Baba Ramdev, he gave shawl to NaMo, He gets Wadhwa done on him like Hindus do on Ganpati so tell us who is more Hindu
Saif Insaf or your Masters Kothari Goons?

SBMbhai, have already informed Al Zul. Its our friend, the resident virus in a new avtaar

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Unread post by Mkenya » Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:49 am

Tahermakka: Tume yadd dilana zaroor chahata hun ke pehle tum tumari zabaan achhi tara dhul ke ye forum mein aana. Is forum mein meine kabhi bhi pehle eise lavz nahi dekhe. Maa behno pe jane se pehle tumari kalam larzai nahin? Kya tumahare paas koi aur dalil baki nahi rahi. Na ho to dafhe ho jao. Agar ho to insaniyat se pesh aao. Yeh forum pey tumahara theka nahi ke jo chaha woh likh diya. Kya tum agar amne samne hote to eise bolte kya? Sharm aani chahiye tumeh!

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Unread post by Tahermakka » Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:56 am

Mkenya wrote:Tahermakka: Tume yadd dilana zaroor chahata hun ke pehle tum tumari zabaan achhi tara dhul ke ye forum mein aana. Is forum mein meine kabhi bhi pehle eise lavz nahi dekhe. Maa behno pe jane se pehle tumari kalam larzai nahin? Kya tumahare paas koi aur dalil baki nahi rahi. Na ho to dafhe ho jao. Agar ho to insaniyat se pesh aao. Yeh forum pey tumahara theka nahi ke jo chaha woh likh diya. Kya tum agar amne samne hote to eise bolte kya? Sharm aani chahiye tumeh!
dalil unhe di jati hain to dalil maangte ho, ye gadhe ke bacche hain jo khuli dalil ko jhutlate hain, inka rehbar iblis ban chuka hain, aur inke dil imaan se farig hain, ab inhe gali do yaa kuch bhi karo ye sudharne wale nahi.

jab ye besharam Imam Hussain ki mazaak udhate hain tab tum kyaa karte ho? aur jab koi inhe inki aukaat dikhata hain tab tumhe bahot taklif hoti hain?

sharam karo besharmo!!!!!!!

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:33 am

bhai taher,
koi imam husain ki mazak nahi udaata,
acutally jo log imam husain ki mazak udaate hain, uski hum mazaak udaate hain. eg--SMS

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:06 am

Taher bhai,
Mazaak tab hota hain jab yeh Imam Hussain ke copyrights wale ghode nahee toh ghade banjate hain
Mazaak tab hota hain jab 24 ghante 7 din sirf Imam Hussain (AS) mataam ki behurmati ki jaati hain
Mazaak tab hota hain jab Yeh Imam Hussain (AS) ke dai Kehlane wale Yazeed ki tarah zindagi bashar karte hain
Mazaak tab hota hain jab Imam Hussain (AS) ke naam pe Wajebaat aur Qarze Hasanat li jaati or hisaab nahee diya jata hain
Mazaak tab hota hain jab Imam Hussain (AS) ka naam aisey liya jaatey hain Waaz or bayan mein ke woh unke Dost ho
Mazaak tum log bana rahey Shababey Jannat ka tum unhi mandli mein se Ho jismein Awal, Saani aur Salis shamil hain