Why They Hate Syedi Mazoon Saheb - www.zahirbatin.com

[seeker110]

I have seen the power of justice in the Peerbhoy family. I have seen the unjust power of qasre Ally.

Nothing can match the combined stupidity of children of Saify and Badri Mahal.

[Crater Lake]

You are a little slow...So let me explain why. Everyone on these tapes is more or less admitting that batin Mazoon is different. Whereas Burhanuddin Aqa kept insisting that was not so and he himself took Mazoon's name in misaaq till the very end. In effect, everyone in Saifee Mahal was contradicting Aqa Moula - including MS. Get it? Apparently your mastery of of the twisted uloom of Haqaiq that you received from those people did not help you deduce this little thing.

I think you might be a bit 'slow'. From what i have heard of the tapes posted, nothing of the sort(batin Mazoon is different.) was ever admitted, she just said that a zahir- batin rutba can be different, (or it could be the same too) and nobody but the imam knows.

And i am really curious to know whether the tapes posted was the extent of it or was there more content?

Actually why would they be different slowpoke? Did Burhanuddin Moula say they were different? In fact he insisted they were the same. So the people in the tapes were still contradicting Burhanuddin Moula.

[Universaldad]

Hello Crater lake, Why does it matter? KQ was the Mazoon under SMB for whatever hikmat. The fact is that he was never the Mansoos and never had Nass been conferred upon him privately and publicly.

The only Batin - Zahir conversation that makes sense is as follows:

Batin Fact : KQ's animosity of Aqa Moula and his dawat was Batin. He did everything with a grudge and kept away and showed ambiguous signs of accepting the Public and Private Nass on SMS. (For 3 years kept running here and there like a rat with out coming in the presence of SMB)

Zahir Fact : Upon the wafat of SMB, KQ's animosity towards SMB and Aqa Moula SMS and his dawat became Zahir.

As a result of this animosity and dimag ne masti he himself jumped down from the rutba of Mazoon and washed away what little public duniyavi reputation that he had.

Sadly KQ now is over and out. Earlier a few people close to him who could see the traits of nifaq in him and hated him, Now when it all became Zahir the Entire Dawoodi Bohra community hates him.

[Crater Lake]

Hello Crater lake, Why does it matter? KQ was the Mazoon under SMB for whatever hikmat. The fact is that he was never the Mansoos and never had Nass been conferred upon him privately and publicly.

The only Batin - Zahir conversation that makes sense is as follows:

Batin Fact : KQ's animosity of Aqa Moula and his dawat was Batin. He did everything with a grudge and kept away and showed ambiguous signs of accepting the Public and Private Nass on SMS. (For 3 years kept running here and there like a rat with out coming in the presence of SMB)

Zahir Fact : Upon the wafat of SMB, KQ's animosity towards SMB and Aqa Moula SMS and his dawat became Zahir.

As a result of this animosity and dimag ne masti he himself jumped down from the rutba of Mazoon and washed away what little public duniyavi reputation that he had.

Sadly KQ now is over and out. Earlier a few people close to him who could see the traits of nifaq in him and hated him, Now when it all became Zahir the Entire Dawoodi Bohra community hates him.

It mattered to you a couple of days ago when you were defending the tapes.

If your venom above is true:

Why did Burhanuddin Moula's ask MS and all his brothers and all Mumineen to do sajda to SKQ TUS after the first Misaq? Why did he continue to allow sajda to him for 25 years after - until the time MS and gang stopped the sajda practice? SKQ was in Burhanuddin Moula's presence plenty all the way up to 100mi milad when he held a shandaar ziyafat for him and had done bousa to him in bhar majlis. I was there.

It was only after the stroke that SKQ TUS was prevented from meeting Muqaddas Moula. Of course he did not do sajda to MS. THAT's how a true mansoos behaves. You don't do sajda to the snake that lays a claim to being Dai.

True Mumineen revere SKQ TUS. We know from the emails /phone calls/ messages that are sent to us to take mumineen's dua arzi to him. They have only given Misaq to your snake because he is sitting on our properties and he held a gun to their heads that if they did not give him misaq, baraat would be done on them.

[Universaldad]

Crater lake,

I am not going to convince you for sure... It appears you are greatly influenced by KQ. A result of being close to him for so many years I guess. Pity you were not close to SMB and his Mansoos SMS.

I guess time will show how KQ clan and it's followers will go into oblivion.

Btw what happens when you lose the case that you folks filed?

Have a good day. Try to not let the truth bother you too much on this work day.

[SBM]

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It appears you are greatly influenced by KQ. A result of being close to him for so many years I guess

So Universdad
So You were not close to SKQ for last 50 years then why did you take your Misaq and whose Rukku Chitti did you get for loved one who departed from this world? So it proves that you Misaq to Dai and his Mazoon was FAKE.. oh boy you are bound to hell.. Repent Repent Repent.....

[Crater Lake]

Crater lake,

I am not going to convince you for sure... It appears you are greatly influenced by KQ. A result of being close to him for so many years I guess. Pity you were not close to SMB and his Mansoos SMS.

I guess time will show how KQ clan and it's followers will go into oblivion.

Btw what happens when you lose the case that you folks filed?

Have a good day. Try to not let the truth bother you too much on this work day.

It's funny how you cannot prove yourself to be true by answering my questions but just want me to believe your smoke and mirrors dawat without argument. It is quite clear to me that you do not let the truth bother you ever. Too bad you never had the taufeeq to recognize Burhanuddin Moula's mansoos.

Case Shmase. For the brave mumineen who are with SKQ openly right now, the outcome of the case is spiritually irrelevant. We have answered the dawat of Burhanuddin Moula's mansoos and we are at peace. Those who seek that peace will continue to be drawn by SKQ TUS whether or not they have properties to congregate in. MS' ranting from the takhat has already put-off thousands. How can a people be peace when their leader is so troubled?

It is quite clear that when confronted by the tough questions MS lackeys run with their tail between their legs. They simply cannot answer why MS did sajda to SKQ for 25 years. How can you accept a dai that did sajda to someone else and now calls that same person a munafiq?!!!

[Universaldad]

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It appears you are greatly influenced by KQ. A result of being close to him for so many years I guess

So Universdad
So You were not close to SKQ for last 50 years then why did you take your Misaq and whose Rukku Chitti did you get for loved one who departed from this world? So it proves that you Misaq to Dai and his Mazoon was FAKE.. oh boy you are bound to hell.. Repent Repent Repent.....

Yes I was never close to KQ, I was close to the dai SMB. And after he announced his Mansoos, I have been close to SMS. I respected and took KQ as mazoon till the day he broke his misaq on the day of wafat going against SMB Nass on SMS.

I hope the above helps you understand.

[Universaldad]

Crater lake,

I am not going to convince you for sure... It appears you are greatly influenced by KQ. A result of being close to him for so many years I guess. Pity you were not close to SMB and his Mansoos SMS.

I guess time will show how KQ clan and it's followers will go into oblivion.

Btw what happens when you lose the case that you folks filed?

Have a good day. Try to not let the truth bother you too much on this work day.

It's funny how you cannot prove yourself to be true by answering my questions but just want me to believe your smoke and mirrors dawat without argument. It is quite clear to me that you do not let the truth bother you ever. Too bad you never had the taufeeq to recognize Burhanuddin Moula's mansoos.

Case Shmase. For the brave mumineen who are with SKQ openly right now, the outcome of the case is spiritually irrelevant. We have answered the dawat of Burhanuddin Moula's mansoos and we are at peace. Those who seek that peace will continue to be drawn by SKQ TUS whether or not they have properties to congregate in. MS' ranting from the takhat has already put-off thousands. How can a people be peace when their leader is so troubled?

It is quite clear that when confronted by the tough questions MS lackeys run with their tail between their legs. They simply cannot answer why MS did sajda to SKQ for 25 years. How can you accept a dai that did sajda to someone else and now calls that same person a munafiq?!!!

Crater lake, all arguments that you are looking for are available on

http://qutbibohras.blogspot.ae/

Yes 100% of mumineen have rejected KQ and his clan.

As for sajda to the then mazoon, there was nothing wrong. but this Mazoon KQ went against the Nass of the dai, he did not accept this Nass. The day he KQ decided to go against the dai he seized to be mazoon.

Get it into you head KQ was never Mansoos.

[Sceptical]

Yes 100% of mumineen have rejected KQ and his clan.

And accepeted a mansoos who is not even able to remember his "nass" date?
Do you think 100% of Bohra are so stupid?

[haqniwaat]

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Notice what it says under Aamil Saheb Name.

[saminaben]

Haqniwaatbhai
What does this jpeg image mean? Amil Saheb name is showing Taizoon Bs - but not clear whose Ejamaat card is blocked? Someone in California?

[Crater Lake]

WhatsApp jpeg received:

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Notice what it says under Aamil Saheb Name.

looks like Taizoon Bhaisaheb's ejamaat card has been blocked and he is being asked to contact his aamil Taizoon Bhaisaheb to get it unblocked....

Badri Mahal efficiency at work.

[noor5253]

WhatsApp jpeg received:

blocked.jpg

Notice what it says under Aamil Saheb Name.

looks like Taizoon Bhaisaheb's ejamaat card has been blocked and he is being asked to contact his aamil Taizoon Bhaisaheb to get it unblocked....

Badri Mahal efficiency at work.

See its easy for you Qutbis to make fun of Badri Mahal / Saifee Mahal / Dawat systems set up by Burhanuddin Maula AQ. You guys always had problems with anything that came from Burhanuddin Maula AQ. Though Badri Mahal has been used by four Dais.

Good job.

[noor5253]

. So Universdad
So You were not close to SKQ for last 50 years then why did you take your Misaq and whose Rukku Chitti did you get for loved one who departed from this world? So it proves that you Misaq to Dai and his Mazoon was FAKE.. oh boy you are bound to hell.. Repent Repent Repent.....

Yes I was never close to KQ, I was close to the dai SMB. And after he announced his Mansoos, I have been close to SMS. I respected and took KQ as mazoon till the day he broke his misaq on the day of wafat going against SMB Nass on SMS.

I hope the above helps you understand.

Not knowing details of the past, though, we always saw that KQ did things against the normal tenets of Dawat, we always excused it ke OK he is mazoon. Benefit of doubt for years.
Even the two years that he ran away.. after nass..
He didnt attend Burhanuddin Maula AQ 101st Milad in Surat. He didnt attend Burhanuddin Maula AQ Milad celebrations in Mumbai.
He didnt attend Janaza of Burhanuddin Maula AQ.
Once during the last Urs Mubarak of Syedna Taher Saifuddin AQ in presence of Burhanuddin Maula AQ, everyone CLEARLY saw that he walked out the back door, the moment Burhanuddin Maula AQ entered Raudat complex..

All present who saw this were appalled.. No one would do that unless he had no respect or love for their Dai. I was present there and saw it as well.

he did his ziyarat and left just as Burhanuddin Maula AQ eneterred the complex.
You guys have any reasons for that? I am sure you do...

It all looked so weird but we gave him benefit of doubt as a normal mumin..

But the day he declared himself a munafiq after wafat. Thats the day, Mumineen across the globe realized his true colors.

As appropriately said KQ spent 25 years in anticipation of Nass.. He spent 25 years in despair due to Nass not done on him. and past 2-3 years after nass on Mufaddal Maula TUS in planning for rebellion.

This is how he has spent his past 50 years.

[SBM]

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we always saw that KQ did things against the normal tenets of Dawat, we always excused it ke OK he is mazoon. Benefit of doubt for years.

So you are saying that SMB knew all along and you also knew about SKQ's disaggregations but SMB kept him as his Mazoon, and you kept on giving Misaq, so you just proved that SMB was not MASOOM or KULE MASOOM and you are bound for hell because you took the false misaq (oath) taking a Jhoti Qasam is the act Allaha most dislikes (go and refer the Quran)

[humanbeing]

you kept on giving Misaq, so you just proved that SMB was not MASOOM or KULE MASOOM and you are bound for hell because you took the false misaq (oath) taking a Jhoti Qasam is the act Allaha most dislikes (go and refer the Quran)

Does Misaak have legal submission in court of allah ?? misaak was a political necessity in a particular time, its terms and conditions do not hold relevance beyond a poltiical situation for which it was drafted. abdes are breaking the misaaak at drop of a topi ! this mazoon, mukasir, Dai kasam and "naam" is all a rituals, yet another ocassion by kothar to keep abdes busy with fakhera jaman and najwaas.

[saminaben]

looks like Taizoon Bhaisaheb's ejamaat card has been blocked and he is being asked to contact his aamil Taizoon Bhaisaheb to get it unblocked....

Badri Mahal efficiency at work.

See its easy for you Qutbis to make fun of Badri Mahal / Saifee Mahal / Dawat systems set up by Burhanuddin Maula AQ. You guys always had problems with anything that came from Burhanuddin Maula AQ. Though Badri Mahal has been used by four Dais.

Good job.

No need to use name of Burhanuddin Maula as your shield against Badri mahal inefficiency.

In fact better not to invoke Burhanuddin Maula name at all in these discussions, becaue most of time it's used to justify against other peoples actions, defend e actions o f the bureaucracy of Dawat, or as the trend seems to be these days, as a cover up for any wrongdoings.

In the name of Maula, what gunahs are committed, Allah protect us all from falling for this evil.

[Ibrat]

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[Akhtiar Wahid]

Ibrat milgai tujhe fursat!

[Al Zulfiqar]

.... always had problems with anything that came from Burhanuddin Maula AQ. Good job.

correct! mufatlal came from smb's loins. that is why he is a problem.

[noor5253]

.... always had problems with anything that came from Burhanuddin Maula AQ. Good job.

correct! mufatlal came from smb's loins. that is why he is a problem.

You have always been an a$$wolf..
So I wont even bother replying to you.

Your bitter torment surely awaits you.. For sure..

[Universaldad]

Yes I was never close to KQ, I was close to the dai SMB. And after he announced his Mansoos, I have been close to SMS. I respected and took KQ as mazoon till the day he broke his misaq on the day of wafat going against SMB Nass on SMS.

I hope the above helps you understand.

Not knowing details of the past, though, we always saw that KQ did things against the normal tenets of Dawat, we always excused it ke OK he is mazoon. Benefit of doubt for years.
Even the two years that he ran away.. after nass..
He didnt attend Burhanuddin Maula AQ 101st Milad in Surat. He didnt attend Burhanuddin Maula AQ Milad celebrations in Mumbai.
He didnt attend Janaza of Burhanuddin Maula AQ.
Once during the last Urs Mubarak of Syedna Taher Saifuddin AQ in presence of Burhanuddin Maula AQ, everyone CLEARLY saw that he walked out the back door, the moment Burhanuddin Maula AQ entered Raudat complex..

All present who saw this were appalled.. No one would do that unless he had no respect or love for their Dai. I was present there and saw it as well.

he did his ziyarat and left just as Burhanuddin Maula AQ eneterred the complex.
You guys have any reasons for that? I am sure you do...

It all looked so weird but we gave him benefit of doubt as a normal mumin..

But the day he declared himself a munafiq after wafat. Thats the day, Mumineen across the globe realized his true colors.

As appropriately said KQ spent 25 years in anticipation of Nass.. He spent 25 years in despair due to Nass not done on him. and past 2-3 years after nass on Mufaddal Maula TUS in planning for rebellion.

This is how he has spent his past 50 years.

Well said Noor.

A question to Crater .... since you were always around KQ, where were you on the day of urs of STS when KQ left Raduat Complex just before the arrival of SMB, did you leave with him or did you wait for SMB and is mansoos SMS?

[haqniwaat]

We gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were a mumin even though you cursed the very mazoon whose name you swore by in front of God almighty. Now all your benefits are burned in hell fire. Take your Bollywood film making and be off to the cave of ignorance where you and your shouting leader belong and go spew laanat at the world.

[Ibrat]

We gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were a mumin even though you cursed the very mazoon whose name you swore by in front of God almighty. Now all your benefits are burned in hell fire. Take your Bollywood film making and be off to the cave of ignorance where you and your shouting leader belong and go spew laanat at the world.

well you are also not dudh kaa dhula your muharram madeh is also full of lanat bazi and curse for opponents.

[Universaldad]

We gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were a mumin even though you cursed the very mazoon whose name you swore by in front of God almighty. Now all your benefits are burned in hell fire. Take your Bollywood film making and be off to the cave of ignorance where you and your shouting leader belong and go spew laanat at the world.

Sorry Haqniwaat, No one I repeat no one has cursed the Mazoon, Mukasir or any other rutba na saheb. KQ ceased to be Mazoon the day he thought in himself that he was worthy to be a Dai.... all he ended up becoming was a dawedaar. I and all Dawoodi Bohras certainly do curse this dawedaar...... this is Haqniwaat.

[noor5253]

Not knowing details of the past, though, we always saw that KQ did things against the normal tenets of Dawat, we always excused it ke OK he is mazoon. Benefit of doubt for years.
Even the two years that he ran away.. after nass..
He didnt attend Burhanuddin Maula AQ 101st Milad in Surat. He didnt attend Burhanuddin Maula AQ Milad celebrations in Mumbai.
He didnt attend Janaza of Burhanuddin Maula AQ.
Once during the last Urs Mubarak of Syedna Taher Saifuddin AQ in presence of Burhanuddin Maula AQ, everyone CLEARLY saw that he walked out the back door, the moment Burhanuddin Maula AQ entered Raudat complex..

All present who saw this were appalled.. No one would do that unless he had no respect or love for their Dai. I was present there and saw it as well.

he did his ziyarat and left just as Burhanuddin Maula AQ eneterred the complex.
You guys have any reasons for that? I am sure you do...

It all looked so weird but we gave him benefit of doubt as a normal mumin..

But the day he declared himself a munafiq after wafat. Thats the day, Mumineen across the globe realized his true colors.

As appropriately said KQ spent 25 years in anticipation of Nass.. He spent 25 years in despair due to Nass not done on him. and past 2-3 years after nass on Mufaddal Maula TUS in planning for rebellion.

This is how he has spent his past 50 years.

Well said Noor.

A question to Crater .... since you were always around KQ, where were you on the day of urs of STS when KQ left Raduat Complex just before the arrival of SMB, did you leave with him or did you wait for SMB and is mansoos SMS?

They wont be able to answer any of the questions above regdg the 101st Milad/ 102nd Milad/ and Urs Mubarak incident and Janaza of Burhanuddin Aqa AQ..
Its ok ShaqqniWaat and CraterLate.. We all 99.99% Mumineen know the answer to these questions.. Why.. we know.. we dont need answers from you.

Except for KQ everyone was there at all these four events.

[noor5253]

We gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were a mumin even though you cursed the very mazoon whose name you swore by in front of God almighty. Now all your benefits are burned in hell fire. Take your Bollywood film making and be off to the cave of ignorance where you and your shouting leader belong and go spew laanat at the world.

Shaqqniwaat.. Thats all you can do. You can curse Mufaddal Maula whom you all called Mufaddal Maula TUS till wafaat of Burhanuddin Maula AQ, I am sure of it.

Overnight you changed your Maula.. The person whom you called Mufaddal maula TUS till wafaat overnight became your enemy..
Now dont deny this... Unless you were part of the planners who planned this a few months before wafaat after the Bakerfields event when KQ was there.

I know that about 80-90% of KQs followers did call Mufaddal maula as Maula and overnight changed their belief.

[noor5253]

In the video they published about the ziyafat done by KQ of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Maula AQ, we can clearly see KQ doing wadhawanu in such a way, that KQ almost hit Burhanuddin Aqa AQ with the thaali. Aqa Maula AQ moved back taken by surprise and he didnt seem too happy about it.

Any true mohibbeen would flinch on seeing that.
I couldn't find that video and probably they have already taken the video off.. If anyone has it, pls let me know.

At every stage of his existence as mazoon KQ just wanted to upset Burhanuddin Aqa AQ.

Whole world farmaan to do waaz in mornings, KQ would do his Ashara Waaz in afternoon with Qaza maghrib namaz in tow.

Arre, we can give hundreds of examples from normal mumineen who have seen this whenever he visited their town and everyone understands what he was doing was against dawat. But this benefit of doubt thing came in between always..

Always do things against farmaan was his long standing policy. His farmaans superceded all farmaan even if the original farmaan was from Burhanuddin Maula AQ.

Thanks to Allah, that doubt was cleared on January 18th.

[Crater Lake]

In the video they published about the ziyafat done by KQ of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Maula AQ, we can clearly see KQ doing wadhawanu in such a way, that KQ almost hit Burhanuddin Aqa AQ with the thaali. Aqa Maula AQ moved back taken by surprise and he didnt seem too happy about it.

Any true mohibbeen would flinch on seeing that.
I couldn't find that video and probably they have already taken the video off.. If anyone has it, pls let me know.

At every stage of his existence as mazoon KQ just wanted to upset Burhanuddin Aqa AQ.

Whole world farmaan to do waaz in mornings, KQ would do his Ashara Waaz in afternoon with Qaza maghrib namaz in tow.

Arre, we can give hundreds of examples from normal mumineen who have seen this whenever he visited their town and everyone understands what he was doing was against dawat. But this benefit of doubt thing came in between always..

Always do things against farmaan was his long standing policy. His farmaans superceded all farmaan even if the original farmaan was from Burhanuddin Maula AQ.

Thanks to Allah, that doubt was cleared on January 18th.

Yawn....do you remember when Burhanuddin Moula had to hit MS because he tried to force his hand over his neck on Ashura. He DEFINITELY did not seem too happy with his moronic son then. So please don't talk about any perceived flinching etc...also the first time the moron climbed up and settled himself on the takhat next to our Muqaddas Moula, Muqaddas Moula looked absolutely aghast. Any true muhibben of Burhanuddin Moula would have got up and slapped the jerk who was trying to force Moula's hand over his neck.....