The History of Saifee Mahal That Needs To Be Told
After the Africa incident, SKQ’s maternal family abandoned him. But what’s interesting is that before the incident, these same family members were responsible for highlighting him in every way possible and in many instances, it was obvious to many that these family members were giving him more importance than they were to SMB. This behavior is what initially laid the foundation for bringing down SKQ.
After the wafaat of SMB, meetings were held daily in Saifee Mahal led by Idris bs. In these meetings, SKQ was bad-mouthed by various family members. One of the maternal sisters actually accused SKQ’s immediate family of being very ruthless in their dealings with her and her children. This is the same complaint raised by other maternal SKQ siblings and their children (who are the children of Amena Aisaheba, STS’s fourth wife). Especially the grandchildren of Amena Aisaheba are vehemently anti-SKQ and have been for decades. They complain of being disrespected by SKQ’s children and hence breaking away from them entirely.
While all this movement from pro-SKQ to anti-SKQ developed within Amena Aisaheba’s family, SKQ’s children became more and more isolated and participation in family activities with SMB and Saifee Mahal in general became almost zero. This self-isolation eventually led to the rest of Saifee Mahal actually isolating them on purpose and not only avoiding them, but name-calling and laughing at almost everything that they did. The rest of Qasre Aali (family members of SMB and children of STS aka Saifee Mahal) began a campaign to downplay the role of mazoon during this time. Ridiculing SKQ’s family had gone down to such a level that even their dress habits were criticized.
This is what laid the foundation to the split we are seeing today. All of this time, the shehzadas of SMB were becoming stronger and almost god-like in the eyes of the public – especially Mufaddal bs. At the same time, the sons of SKQ were becoming the opposite. A campaign in Saifee Mahal against SKQ’s sons was amplified when Aziz bs refused to marry Umama bs (Huzaifa bs’ daughter) in Surat – leading to a hateful campaign led by Qasim bs to label SKQ as “not being with Mola” and being against “Mola’s khushi”. This Surat episode was the beginning of an all-out public campaign against mazoon himself. This campaign also included a major criticism by the powers that were that SKQ and his children made little mention of SMB in any of their speeches.
To come back to the present time, the sons of SKQ have an uphill battle – as is obvious from their perception described above. To go from persona-non-grata to shehzada in a matter of days is a daunting task. So in Saifee Mahal, it is not only the downgrading of SKQ that impacts any possible support for him, but the perception and deep resentment of the sons of SKQ that makes SKQ himself downgraded especially in the eyes of the young generation of bhaisahebs.
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The Case Against Bombay Mumineen
For years after the wafaat of Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA, Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA would perform Ashara in Mumbai. Then suddenly, something began to change. Yusuf bs Najmuddin began a campaign against the mumineen of “Bombay”. This was a campaign against Mukasir Saleh bs Safiyuddin as well. Saleh bs was quite liberal compared to Yusuf bs. In effect, Yusuf bs began lobbying the shehzadas of Burhanuddin Mola against Saleh bs. The same sort of venom that was used for Syedna Qutbuddin was - in a much more diluted form – used for Saleh bs. The claim: Saleh bs was not acting according to the “khushi” of Burhanuddin Mola.
This campaign against the well-loved Syedi Saleh bs was also a campaign against the mumineen of Mumbai. Outright and in public, Yusuf bs claimed that Mumbai mumineen’s “ikhlaas” was questionable. At one point in time, Burhanuddin Mola was in Surat; this was before Yusuf bs’ Multaqa. Yusuf bs claimed that Burhanuddin Mola was very angry at the mumineen of Bombay particularly and that he was not willing to speak to anyone! The pressure on Saleh bs was full-force. He was heard to say that I can hardly wait for that day that I can be taken away from all of these people (the family of Yusuf bs).
There was a big shake-up in Saifee Mahal and especially the family of Amena Aisaheba was a target. The claim was that Amena Aisaheba’s family especially was not fulfilling the wishes of Burhanuddin Mola. This is when the campaign for rida/topi/etc. had been launched. The climax of this campaign was Yusuf bs’ Multaqa – which transformed the Bohra community to what it is today. At the same time, Syedi Saleh bs was downgraded – for “not following the wishes” of Burhanuddin Mola, and Amena Aisaheba’s family – who was always on the forefront of education and modernism – was downgraded to the same level. The claim: Amena Aisaheba’s family did not have enough “ikhlaas” like Yusuf bs’ family (Fatema Aisaheba’s family).
Yusuf bs prepared the Multaqa in such a way that Burhanuddin Mola had to give his stamp of approval. He was left no choice. And during the campaign and before the Multaqa, Yusuf bs told all of Saifee Mahal to come to Surat and ask for “maafi” from Burhanuddin Mola because he was very angry at everyone. For the first time, there was real confusion and insecurity in all of Saifee Mahal – especially in the non-Fatema Aisaheba families – the children of Amena Aisaheba and Wazira Aisaheba. One after the other, adult and child alike, came to Burhanuddin Mola and asked for “maafi”. Most did not even know what the “maafi” was for – but they had no choice. Nobody could question the campaign and nobody could ever question the campaigner – at least not in public! From this point on, Ashara were hardly held in Mumbai.
For years after the wafaat of Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA, Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA would perform Ashara in Mumbai. Then suddenly, something began to change. Yusuf bs Najmuddin began a campaign against the mumineen of “Bombay”. This was a campaign against Mukasir Saleh bs Safiyuddin as well. Saleh bs was quite liberal compared to Yusuf bs. In effect, Yusuf bs began lobbying the shehzadas of Burhanuddin Mola against Saleh bs. The same sort of venom that was used for Syedna Qutbuddin was - in a much more diluted form – used for Saleh bs. The claim: Saleh bs was not acting according to the “khushi” of Burhanuddin Mola.
This campaign against the well-loved Syedi Saleh bs was also a campaign against the mumineen of Mumbai. Outright and in public, Yusuf bs claimed that Mumbai mumineen’s “ikhlaas” was questionable. At one point in time, Burhanuddin Mola was in Surat; this was before Yusuf bs’ Multaqa. Yusuf bs claimed that Burhanuddin Mola was very angry at the mumineen of Bombay particularly and that he was not willing to speak to anyone! The pressure on Saleh bs was full-force. He was heard to say that I can hardly wait for that day that I can be taken away from all of these people (the family of Yusuf bs).
There was a big shake-up in Saifee Mahal and especially the family of Amena Aisaheba was a target. The claim was that Amena Aisaheba’s family especially was not fulfilling the wishes of Burhanuddin Mola. This is when the campaign for rida/topi/etc. had been launched. The climax of this campaign was Yusuf bs’ Multaqa – which transformed the Bohra community to what it is today. At the same time, Syedi Saleh bs was downgraded – for “not following the wishes” of Burhanuddin Mola, and Amena Aisaheba’s family – who was always on the forefront of education and modernism – was downgraded to the same level. The claim: Amena Aisaheba’s family did not have enough “ikhlaas” like Yusuf bs’ family (Fatema Aisaheba’s family).
Yusuf bs prepared the Multaqa in such a way that Burhanuddin Mola had to give his stamp of approval. He was left no choice. And during the campaign and before the Multaqa, Yusuf bs told all of Saifee Mahal to come to Surat and ask for “maafi” from Burhanuddin Mola because he was very angry at everyone. For the first time, there was real confusion and insecurity in all of Saifee Mahal – especially in the non-Fatema Aisaheba families – the children of Amena Aisaheba and Wazira Aisaheba. One after the other, adult and child alike, came to Burhanuddin Mola and asked for “maafi”. Most did not even know what the “maafi” was for – but they had no choice. Nobody could question the campaign and nobody could ever question the campaigner – at least not in public! From this point on, Ashara were hardly held in Mumbai.
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Br Haqniwaat and Br GM
It would be interesting if you and others can put more light on the inner working of Saify Mahal and more details about number of Dependents on hand outs,
number of Non Bohra working and serving the masters
Admin: Please make sure that non relevant posts on this topic gets removed so ordinary Bohras understand how their Masters live the life of Yazidi era.
It would be interesting if you and others can put more light on the inner working of Saify Mahal and more details about number of Dependents on hand outs,
number of Non Bohra working and serving the masters
Admin: Please make sure that non relevant posts on this topic gets removed so ordinary Bohras understand how their Masters live the life of Yazidi era.
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Bring Them All In Line
So around the time of the Multaqa, [Link DELETED - considered UnSafe by Admin group] most adult members of Saifee Mahal had to fend for themselves - live in the real world. Some left India for better pastures and the ones who were still in Mumbai, were struggling to make ends meet - just like the rest of us. Some had jobs and some had small businesses. Once again, Yusuf bs to the rescue. A new campaign of bringing everyone in line - a witch hunt had started. Those who held jobs, especially, were considered the worst. If you are not in "khidmat", you are a nobody. Saifee Mahal was once again torn apart by this new shake-up. Those who had passed the age of attending Jamea, were excused and "strongly coerced" to become aamils. Those who were in college and school were told to go to Jamea - "if they wanted to remain a bhaisaheb". There was no choice. It was the highest degree of peer pressure.
After his father-in-law's death, Mufaddal bs continued this campaign of Jamea and amaalat. Those who really could not do amaalat were sent to offices in Badri Mahal. The handful of those men who were not a part of the campaign, were persona non-grata. They were simply tolerated but not respected - not even by Kothar. Eventually, even this handful ended up doing something or another - following a shehzada wherever he went as his personal assistant, or hanging around Badri Mahal hoping to get scraps here and there.
Coming back to today, now we can see why not a single bhaisaheb in Saifee Mahal will dare to open his mouth against Mufaddal bs. And the new generation of bhaisaheb Jamea graduates - the totally unprepared for the outside world - are the new aamils and "leaders" of Mufaddal bs' raj. This new generation are the great grandchildren and great-great grandchildren of Syedna Taher Saifuddin. Unfit to survive in the outside world and unable to comprehend you and me - especially the new generation of westernized and modernized mumineen. This was not the dream that Syedna Taher Saifuddin had of the future.
So around the time of the Multaqa, [Link DELETED - considered UnSafe by Admin group] most adult members of Saifee Mahal had to fend for themselves - live in the real world. Some left India for better pastures and the ones who were still in Mumbai, were struggling to make ends meet - just like the rest of us. Some had jobs and some had small businesses. Once again, Yusuf bs to the rescue. A new campaign of bringing everyone in line - a witch hunt had started. Those who held jobs, especially, were considered the worst. If you are not in "khidmat", you are a nobody. Saifee Mahal was once again torn apart by this new shake-up. Those who had passed the age of attending Jamea, were excused and "strongly coerced" to become aamils. Those who were in college and school were told to go to Jamea - "if they wanted to remain a bhaisaheb". There was no choice. It was the highest degree of peer pressure.
After his father-in-law's death, Mufaddal bs continued this campaign of Jamea and amaalat. Those who really could not do amaalat were sent to offices in Badri Mahal. The handful of those men who were not a part of the campaign, were persona non-grata. They were simply tolerated but not respected - not even by Kothar. Eventually, even this handful ended up doing something or another - following a shehzada wherever he went as his personal assistant, or hanging around Badri Mahal hoping to get scraps here and there.
Coming back to today, now we can see why not a single bhaisaheb in Saifee Mahal will dare to open his mouth against Mufaddal bs. And the new generation of bhaisaheb Jamea graduates - the totally unprepared for the outside world - are the new aamils and "leaders" of Mufaddal bs' raj. This new generation are the great grandchildren and great-great grandchildren of Syedna Taher Saifuddin. Unfit to survive in the outside world and unable to comprehend you and me - especially the new generation of westernized and modernized mumineen. This was not the dream that Syedna Taher Saifuddin had of the future.
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My Brother You Are Not
After the wafaat of STS, Saifee Mahal was still a big family. Everyone truly enjoyed as a normal family would. But the lingering cloud became thicker and grayer after SKQ was pronounced mazoon and Amena Aisaheba's family became very powerful. [Refer to a previous post about the 180 degree-turnaround of Amena Aisaheba children against SKQ] These were the younger shehzadas and shehzadis of Syedna Taher Saifuddin and were more worldly-educated and up-to-date with the times. Fatema Aisaheba's family felt like underdogs - often undone by this vibrant counterpart. So the jealousy festered and the pot brewed - in Biblical proportions. Yusuf bs was the star - the way out of being outdone.
But the twist was mystifying. Yusuf bs was not familial with his own family - the Fatema Aisaheba children. In fact, he had a real issue - or vice versa - with Qasim bs, his maternal younger brother. So great was the divide that when koserali (son of Yusuf bs) asked for the hand of Qasim bs' daughter, it was an unthinkable and impossible act. Qasim bs was always jealous of his brother and didn't mince words when he made it obvious at times. When Yusuf bs was in the USA in Chicago, he held a mini-Multaqa there. Qasim bs was furious that when he arrived to USA, a Multaqa was not held for him. So this is the mukasir of Mufaddal bs - Qasim bs; no further adjectives required here.
All this time, Burhanuddin Mola's shehzadas were mesmerized with Yusuf bs. He played all the cards very well. He would even say publicly in his speeches - he gave many - in front of Burhanuddin Mola in various majlis - that he was so blessed that Burhanuddin Mola had allowed him to sit above his own shehzadas. Talk about butter! But the shehzadas took it like bees to flower. The nectar was very sweet. None of the shehzadas would ever do anything without Yusuf bs' blessing. Burhanuddin Mola was simply a figure head for them - the real power lay in Yusuf bs. Anyone who experienced him can confirm this - no further need to elaborate.
Now, another bombshell. It was the "khushi" of Burhanuddin Mola that Saifiyah bs (daughter of SKQ) get married to Mufaddal bs. Note my word "khushi" here. But Yusuf bs' daughter, Johra bs, made such a ruckus that Mufaddal bs had to break it off. So much for using "khushi" for your own convenience. And you can fill in the blanks after this as to what happened.
After the wafaat of STS, Saifee Mahal was still a big family. Everyone truly enjoyed as a normal family would. But the lingering cloud became thicker and grayer after SKQ was pronounced mazoon and Amena Aisaheba's family became very powerful. [Refer to a previous post about the 180 degree-turnaround of Amena Aisaheba children against SKQ] These were the younger shehzadas and shehzadis of Syedna Taher Saifuddin and were more worldly-educated and up-to-date with the times. Fatema Aisaheba's family felt like underdogs - often undone by this vibrant counterpart. So the jealousy festered and the pot brewed - in Biblical proportions. Yusuf bs was the star - the way out of being outdone.
But the twist was mystifying. Yusuf bs was not familial with his own family - the Fatema Aisaheba children. In fact, he had a real issue - or vice versa - with Qasim bs, his maternal younger brother. So great was the divide that when koserali (son of Yusuf bs) asked for the hand of Qasim bs' daughter, it was an unthinkable and impossible act. Qasim bs was always jealous of his brother and didn't mince words when he made it obvious at times. When Yusuf bs was in the USA in Chicago, he held a mini-Multaqa there. Qasim bs was furious that when he arrived to USA, a Multaqa was not held for him. So this is the mukasir of Mufaddal bs - Qasim bs; no further adjectives required here.
All this time, Burhanuddin Mola's shehzadas were mesmerized with Yusuf bs. He played all the cards very well. He would even say publicly in his speeches - he gave many - in front of Burhanuddin Mola in various majlis - that he was so blessed that Burhanuddin Mola had allowed him to sit above his own shehzadas. Talk about butter! But the shehzadas took it like bees to flower. The nectar was very sweet. None of the shehzadas would ever do anything without Yusuf bs' blessing. Burhanuddin Mola was simply a figure head for them - the real power lay in Yusuf bs. Anyone who experienced him can confirm this - no further need to elaborate.
Now, another bombshell. It was the "khushi" of Burhanuddin Mola that Saifiyah bs (daughter of SKQ) get married to Mufaddal bs. Note my word "khushi" here. But Yusuf bs' daughter, Johra bs, made such a ruckus that Mufaddal bs had to break it off. So much for using "khushi" for your own convenience. And you can fill in the blanks after this as to what happened.
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Br Haqniwaat
Can you also put a family tree so one can relate to progeny at the Saify mahal as well can relate to Napotism in Dai's family
Can you also put a family tree so one can relate to progeny at the Saify mahal as well can relate to Napotism in Dai's family
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The Four Aisaheba of Syedna Taher Saifuddin & Their Children
(1) Husaina Aisaheba passed away when SMB was very young; he was then brought up by Fatema Aisaheba.
-- Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA.
-- Asma bs* (married to Taher bs) - son Moiz bs on SKQ side - Mohyuddin family (not to be confused with Huzaifa bs Mohyuddin, son of SMB).
-- Husain bs - sons: Abeezar, Abi Ali, Abil Fazl (die-hard Egyptian mufaddali), Abi Tameem, Abdo Abi Talib, Taher - very large Husamuddin family.
(2) Wazira Aisaheba
-- Tayyeb bs* - sons: Turab (USA king), Khidar, Behlul (new USA king), Adnan, Mudreka, Joon, Mustali; daughters insignificant - very large Zakiuddin family.
-- Ismail bs* - sons: Quresh, Murtaza, Shamoil - Shehabuddin family.
(3) Fatema Aisaheba
-- Yusuf bs* - sons: Juzar, infamous Badrul Jamali, Saeedul Khair, Koserali; daughters: Johratus Sharaf, Mariya - large Najmuddin family.
-- Qasim bs - sons: infamous Taha, Mukarram - Hakimuddin family.
-- Ali Asghar bs - no children - Kalimuddin family.
-- Maryam bs* (married to Yahya bs) - Ezzuddin family (not to be confused with Qaid Johar bs Ezzuddin) - grandmother of Taizoon.
-- Khadija bs* (married to Dawood bs) - sons: Mudar (Surat aamil), Luwai (Egyptian die-hard mufaddali) - Jamaluddin family (not to be confused with Ammar bs Jamaluddin, son of SMB).
-- Shere Banu bs (married to Dr. Idris bs) - daughter Johratul Majd married to Idris bs (son of SMB) - Zainuddin family - London.
(4) Amena Aisaheba
-- Hatim bs* - daughters married to Qusai bs (son of SMB), Ammar bs (son of SMB) and Abdeali bs (son of SKQ) - Hamiduddin family - Oxford, England.
-- Shabbir bs - daughters married to Mufaddal bs' son and Qaid Johar bs' son - Nooruddin family.
-- Abbas bs - sons: Najmuddin (ran away a long time ago after Africa episode), Saifuddin (die-hard mufaddali), Moiz; daughter married to Taha Hakimuddin - Fakhruddin family.
-- Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS (wife: Busaheba Sakina Aisaheba).
-- Mohammed ul Baqir bs* - severe health issues after Africa episode; passed away several years ago; youngest son of STS - Jamaluddin family (not to be confused with Ammar bs Jamaluddin, son of SMB).
* passed away.
(1) Husaina Aisaheba passed away when SMB was very young; he was then brought up by Fatema Aisaheba.
-- Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA.
-- Asma bs* (married to Taher bs) - son Moiz bs on SKQ side - Mohyuddin family (not to be confused with Huzaifa bs Mohyuddin, son of SMB).
-- Husain bs - sons: Abeezar, Abi Ali, Abil Fazl (die-hard Egyptian mufaddali), Abi Tameem, Abdo Abi Talib, Taher - very large Husamuddin family.
(2) Wazira Aisaheba
-- Tayyeb bs* - sons: Turab (USA king), Khidar, Behlul (new USA king), Adnan, Mudreka, Joon, Mustali; daughters insignificant - very large Zakiuddin family.
-- Ismail bs* - sons: Quresh, Murtaza, Shamoil - Shehabuddin family.
(3) Fatema Aisaheba
-- Yusuf bs* - sons: Juzar, infamous Badrul Jamali, Saeedul Khair, Koserali; daughters: Johratus Sharaf, Mariya - large Najmuddin family.
-- Qasim bs - sons: infamous Taha, Mukarram - Hakimuddin family.
-- Ali Asghar bs - no children - Kalimuddin family.
-- Maryam bs* (married to Yahya bs) - Ezzuddin family (not to be confused with Qaid Johar bs Ezzuddin) - grandmother of Taizoon.
-- Khadija bs* (married to Dawood bs) - sons: Mudar (Surat aamil), Luwai (Egyptian die-hard mufaddali) - Jamaluddin family (not to be confused with Ammar bs Jamaluddin, son of SMB).
-- Shere Banu bs (married to Dr. Idris bs) - daughter Johratul Majd married to Idris bs (son of SMB) - Zainuddin family - London.
(4) Amena Aisaheba
-- Hatim bs* - daughters married to Qusai bs (son of SMB), Ammar bs (son of SMB) and Abdeali bs (son of SKQ) - Hamiduddin family - Oxford, England.
-- Shabbir bs - daughters married to Mufaddal bs' son and Qaid Johar bs' son - Nooruddin family.
-- Abbas bs - sons: Najmuddin (ran away a long time ago after Africa episode), Saifuddin (die-hard mufaddali), Moiz; daughter married to Taha Hakimuddin - Fakhruddin family.
-- Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS (wife: Busaheba Sakina Aisaheba).
-- Mohammed ul Baqir bs* - severe health issues after Africa episode; passed away several years ago; youngest son of STS - Jamaluddin family (not to be confused with Ammar bs Jamaluddin, son of SMB).
* passed away.
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Amena Aisaheba (continued)
-- Amatuz Zehra bs* (married to Abdul Husain bs*) - daughters: Durriya, Lulua, Jumana.
-- Shirin bs (married to Hashim bs (son of Syedi Saleh bs) - sons: Mustafa (lawyer), Qaizaar.
-- Zainab bs (married to Abdul Qadir bs*) - sons: Lamak, Ma'ad; daughters: Durrat (married to infamous Saeed ul Khair), Hawra.
-- Fatema tus Sugra bs (married to Zoeb bs) - sons: Ubai, Al Azhar, Al Aqmar.
-- Amatuz Zehra bs* (married to Abdul Husain bs*) - daughters: Durriya, Lulua, Jumana.
-- Shirin bs (married to Hashim bs (son of Syedi Saleh bs) - sons: Mustafa (lawyer), Qaizaar.
-- Zainab bs (married to Abdul Qadir bs*) - sons: Lamak, Ma'ad; daughters: Durrat (married to infamous Saeed ul Khair), Hawra.
-- Fatema tus Sugra bs (married to Zoeb bs) - sons: Ubai, Al Azhar, Al Aqmar.
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There actually was no episode - the only episode was the fact that the Najmuddin family and the Hebatulla's got together and made frivolous statements about SKQ. Even though the Hebatulla's tried to deport SKQ, SMB shut the case not to create another episode like the one in STS time with the other powerful Africa family that finally quit Dawat - the Karimjee's. SKQ never mentioned it after that since SMB shut it, but the Fatema Aisaheba children created a mountain out of nothing which lead to what we see today.Biradar wrote:haqniwaat: Can you elaborate on "Africa Episode" in detail? There seems to be no coherent story about this and it seems to be the central turning point in this schism.
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Yes, he is the grand-nephew of Burhanuddin Mola, namely Khadija bs' grandson, Mustafa, who had his name changed to Abdul Qadir. Another Jameaite don't-know-anything-about-the-outside-world Mufaddal bs zombie.abde53 wrote:Do you or anyone knows about the story of Syedna Burhanuddin Moula's nephew or grandson who was either kidnapped or missing with lots of money.
It is a very old story and Mumbai Police never solved or were paid off to shut the case.
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He never talked about his mother because Burhanuddin Mola RA was very humble - and we all know that. Also, he didn't know his mother because Husaina Aisaheba passed away when he was very young. He was brought up by Fatema Aisaheba, along with his maternal siblings, Asma bs and Husain bs (mukasir of Burhanuddin Mola).abde53 wrote:We had been asking why Sydena Burhanuddin Moula never talked about his mother? Can you shed some light on it too. Who was she and why no mention about her
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He went to the USA for college with the financial aid of Qaid Johar bs - that was his ticket out of mayhem. From then on, his whereabouts are unknown however Abbas bs still keeps in contact with him and has not shunned him as a father - which is unlike what we would expect. He has also been seen coming to Saifee Mahal to visit his father. That is the difference between the Amena Aisaheba and Fatema Aisaheba children: the former group is much more liberal with its immediate family whereas the latter is die-hard mufaddal-bs-style throw him in the fire. This reflects the character of the self-proclaimed people of highest "ikhlaas". Taizoon Shakir is a prime example of what happens to a Fatema Aisaheba child who "goes astray".alam wrote:What is the story about najmuddin (son of Abbas Bs ) who ran away after Africa episode? How old was he then? Is he living among commoners, or his whereabouts and well-being unknown?
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A Summary of the Multaqa - http://akhbar.mumineen.org/archive/shar ... i_mutlaqa/
While the Multaqa brought about changes which were positive as far as mumineen returning to Shariat, it's negative aspects were really what allowed the shehzadas, bhaisahebs, aamils, and kothar to wield enormous power. This is when the red, yellow, green safai chithi was born. This is also when the attitudes towards the not-so-religious changed drastically. Instead of bringing people into the fold by liberal and loving means as was especially the practice of Syedi Saleh bs Safiyuddin, the modern day "mafia" and gundagiri rule began. Gone was the era of little or no enforcement. In came the era of George Bush - either you're with us or against us. They gray was gone.
This new strict enforcement was too much for some in the community to handle, so they simply left the faith or became two-times-attendance - you would only see them on Aashura Day and Lailatul Qadr. Gone were the days of encouraging worldly education. Yusuf bs wrote these verses:
Ghani degree jame kidi, magar phigri (paayo) qame (ukhaarwu) kidi - read the entire poem
Degrees were frowned upon and only certain ones were considered good i.e. doctors. The setup was so well done that we all thought - and many still think - that the Multaqa was ordained by Burhanuddin Mola. But it was the masterpiece of Yusuf bs.
While the Multaqa brought about changes which were positive as far as mumineen returning to Shariat, it's negative aspects were really what allowed the shehzadas, bhaisahebs, aamils, and kothar to wield enormous power. This is when the red, yellow, green safai chithi was born. This is also when the attitudes towards the not-so-religious changed drastically. Instead of bringing people into the fold by liberal and loving means as was especially the practice of Syedi Saleh bs Safiyuddin, the modern day "mafia" and gundagiri rule began. Gone was the era of little or no enforcement. In came the era of George Bush - either you're with us or against us. They gray was gone.
This new strict enforcement was too much for some in the community to handle, so they simply left the faith or became two-times-attendance - you would only see them on Aashura Day and Lailatul Qadr. Gone were the days of encouraging worldly education. Yusuf bs wrote these verses:
Ghani degree jame kidi, magar phigri (paayo) qame (ukhaarwu) kidi - read the entire poem
Degrees were frowned upon and only certain ones were considered good i.e. doctors. The setup was so well done that we all thought - and many still think - that the Multaqa was ordained by Burhanuddin Mola. But it was the masterpiece of Yusuf bs.
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Sidelining Burhanuddin Mola
In his pamphlet that he published (above) - and he published many - Yusuf bs notes here the accomplishments of Jamea. At the time of publication, remember that Yusuf bs is the Rector of Jamea or Ameer ul Jamea. There are many things to note in hindsight on this page from the booklet. First, notice where Burhanuddin Mola is standing. Yusuf bs is on the right side of Nehru. Second, note how he mentions the accomplishments of Jamea - which he himself is in charge of. And on the page below, he has a photo of himself in the back of the booklet - giving the booklet as a gift - to Burhanuddin Mola.
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Mufaddal BS Handpicked From The Beginning
Notice here the glorification of Mufaddal bs from the very beginning by his father-in-law, and...
notice the no-mention of the Mazoon of Imam uz Zamaan by name even though Yusuf bs had to show a photo of the mazoon (below) - be it on the back page - because remember - he was giving this booklet to Burhanuddin Mola. And you may ask: well, what were the accomplishments of mazoon saheb?! The answer is: there were many, but never publicized by Yusuf bs. Hindsight makes you think.
Notice here the glorification of Mufaddal bs from the very beginning by his father-in-law, and...
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For everyone's info.....all the above details given by haqniwaat are 110% accurate! I have been a privy to the happenings in Saifee Mahal for most of my life and known about the dirty games and politics that have been going on for over 3 decades!!!
The greed for more & more money combined with a lavish lifestyle have totally moved them away from Deen. They are enjoying the worldly pleasures in this Duniya! Prayers etc are only done for 'dikhawa' to the blind followers and to fool them 'Royally'..
The greed for more & more money combined with a lavish lifestyle have totally moved them away from Deen. They are enjoying the worldly pleasures in this Duniya! Prayers etc are only done for 'dikhawa' to the blind followers and to fool them 'Royally'..
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The Legacy of Burhanuddin Mola RA
The 50 years of Burhanuddin Mola RA brought about the most advancements that Dawat had seen in centuries. It was like the Imam himself had done zuhoor. From masjids to houses, mumineen around the world saw immense barakaat which was never before seen for centuries. And time and again, Burhanuddin Mola kept everyone happy. Everyone. He tried as hard as he could. But the angel that he was, the worldly restrictions were enormous. As you can see from the posts above, he tolerated the actions of many to keep harmony in Dawat. He did so with the guidance of Imam uz Zamaan, just as every Da'i before him has done. So why publicize the evils that existed in this golden era?
Why? Because we are now in a very different era. The safety net which Burhanuddin Mola provided for all of us is now a part of history. After the passing of every Da'i, the new Da'i is responsible for the faithful. But we are faced with a dilemma on who this new Da'i is. So to understand the present, we must understand the past. At the same time in the 50 years of the same golden age, there was an evil so powerful that flowed through the very veins of Dawat. So this new information makes us even more awe struck by the miracle of Burhanuddin Mola - that he provided us with a golden age in the midst of such evil.
This evil was the degradation and denunciation of the mazoon. Never before in the history of Dawat al Satr had such an evil struck with such force; and lasted so long. Imagine the months, the years, and the decades that Burhanuddin Mola's mazoon sat silent - holding tight to a secret that was only to be revealed upon the very death of the Da'i himself. How many humans could withstand such enormous pressure - from within his own family, from within his own faith, from within his own world. Burhanuddin Mola RA has provided all of us with the knowledge we require to use our "Aql" to understand what has happened. Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA says in his Philosophical Discourse:
العقل في الانسان اعلى الجوهر
متلالئ في نفسه كالازهر
Al Aql in man is the loftiest substance,
Luminous like the moon in his soul.
The moon has the capacity to receive light from the outside - the sun. In the same way, Al Aql in mankind has the capacity to receive light from the outside. However, Al Aql first has to be conditioned before the light from a Higher Source can be received. This conditioning is living and present in the misaaq itself. But in the last decades, the conditioning turned from truth to evil. The evil was the denunciation of the mazoon. Therefore, the light can no longer be received from the Higher Source - until and only when the condition is once again pure - the misaaq remembered and recounted.
The 50 years of Burhanuddin Mola RA brought about the most advancements that Dawat had seen in centuries. It was like the Imam himself had done zuhoor. From masjids to houses, mumineen around the world saw immense barakaat which was never before seen for centuries. And time and again, Burhanuddin Mola kept everyone happy. Everyone. He tried as hard as he could. But the angel that he was, the worldly restrictions were enormous. As you can see from the posts above, he tolerated the actions of many to keep harmony in Dawat. He did so with the guidance of Imam uz Zamaan, just as every Da'i before him has done. So why publicize the evils that existed in this golden era?
Why? Because we are now in a very different era. The safety net which Burhanuddin Mola provided for all of us is now a part of history. After the passing of every Da'i, the new Da'i is responsible for the faithful. But we are faced with a dilemma on who this new Da'i is. So to understand the present, we must understand the past. At the same time in the 50 years of the same golden age, there was an evil so powerful that flowed through the very veins of Dawat. So this new information makes us even more awe struck by the miracle of Burhanuddin Mola - that he provided us with a golden age in the midst of such evil.
This evil was the degradation and denunciation of the mazoon. Never before in the history of Dawat al Satr had such an evil struck with such force; and lasted so long. Imagine the months, the years, and the decades that Burhanuddin Mola's mazoon sat silent - holding tight to a secret that was only to be revealed upon the very death of the Da'i himself. How many humans could withstand such enormous pressure - from within his own family, from within his own faith, from within his own world. Burhanuddin Mola RA has provided all of us with the knowledge we require to use our "Aql" to understand what has happened. Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA says in his Philosophical Discourse:
العقل في الانسان اعلى الجوهر
متلالئ في نفسه كالازهر
Al Aql in man is the loftiest substance,
Luminous like the moon in his soul.
The moon has the capacity to receive light from the outside - the sun. In the same way, Al Aql in mankind has the capacity to receive light from the outside. However, Al Aql first has to be conditioned before the light from a Higher Source can be received. This conditioning is living and present in the misaaq itself. But in the last decades, the conditioning turned from truth to evil. The evil was the denunciation of the mazoon. Therefore, the light can no longer be received from the Higher Source - until and only when the condition is once again pure - the misaaq remembered and recounted.
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Amaalat Or Bust
In a world where Islam itself is being challenged, we have aamils who are worldly challenged. The men of Saifee Mahal are either aamils or employed at an office in Badri Mahal. Though they believe they are in contact with the real world, they are living in a bubble ready to burst. Unable to handle the challenges of today and unable to answer the questions being asked, the reply given is to shut you up by calling you names and demoting you in your jamaat. This is not the dream of Burhanuddin Mola RA. Unfit to assist in personal and emotional crises of the faithful, unable to comprehend the issues facing our youth, and unwilling to understand the world we live in, both Mufaddal bs and his entourage of bhaisahebs in Saifee Mahal are leading the faithful on a road to nowhere.
Many of the children of Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA, including daughters and grandaughters, were brought up by a nanny who was Jewish. Yes, Jewish. When Israel was formed, this nanny - who so cherished Syedna Taher Saifuddin - left for what she considered her homeland and settled in a town called Ber Sheba. Today, we have Mufaddal bs in charge - who despises openly - people from other faiths, whom we consider Ahl al Kitaab. So, did Syedna Taher Saifuddin make a mistake - according to Mufaddal bs - by allowing this nanny to bring up members of Qasre Aali?! Yes, his last name may be Saifuddin, but that seems to be about the only thing Mufaddal bs seems to have in common with his grandfather. No further explanation required.
So imagine: you live in the West. You are sent an aamil from Saifee Mahal or from Jamea - who has little knowledge of the world you live in. And I know some will be ready to pounce every time Jamea is mentioned, but graduates of Jamea - according to Burhanuddin Mola's dream - were supposed to be not only highly educated in Deen but also in Duniya. Say you have a youth in crisis who is born and bread in the West. Would you take this young man or woman to an aamil for counseling?! You know the answer to this question, so no need to elaborate here.
So shouldn't it be the utmost interest of a leader to make sure that his aamils - especially if they are graduates of Jamea - be well equipped in handling modern day crises? But here, we have a leader who is bad-mouthing the West, telling people to stay away from groups, and encouraging all our youth to go to Jamea. Does he not realize that if everyone receives the same type of education, we will have a narrow-minded and narrow-versed leadership for the future? And how do we face the challenges of being minorities and Muslims in the West? In order to live in harmony in the world around us, we must first know the world around us, not shun it. This was not how Burhanuddin Mola taught us to be.
In fact, when Burhanuddin Mola RA visited the United States in 1986, in his bayaan in New York, he mentioned the importance of the Statue of Liberty and acknowledged its far reaching ethos. He even went further to admire America and the American spirit. Everywhere he went in the USA, people who met him were awestruck by his humbleness, his knowledge, and his spirituality. Yusuf bs himself was a highly educated worldly knowledgeable father-in-law of Mufaddal bs. Everyone who knew Yusuf bs can confirm his well-rounded education.
So now it's not hard to believe that nobody in Saifee Mahal is speaking up. How many of them would want to lose their amaalat and go out into the real world and work like the rest of us? How many would dare to speak up with the ever looming threat of violence from Badrul Jamali and Taha Hakimuddin - who are in charge of the Burhani Guards and Toloba?! Even Burhanuddin Mola's mukasir is afraid to speak up. We can all remember when this same mukasir vehemently tore down the zahir/batin ideology.
In a world where Islam itself is being challenged, we have aamils who are worldly challenged. The men of Saifee Mahal are either aamils or employed at an office in Badri Mahal. Though they believe they are in contact with the real world, they are living in a bubble ready to burst. Unable to handle the challenges of today and unable to answer the questions being asked, the reply given is to shut you up by calling you names and demoting you in your jamaat. This is not the dream of Burhanuddin Mola RA. Unfit to assist in personal and emotional crises of the faithful, unable to comprehend the issues facing our youth, and unwilling to understand the world we live in, both Mufaddal bs and his entourage of bhaisahebs in Saifee Mahal are leading the faithful on a road to nowhere.
Many of the children of Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA, including daughters and grandaughters, were brought up by a nanny who was Jewish. Yes, Jewish. When Israel was formed, this nanny - who so cherished Syedna Taher Saifuddin - left for what she considered her homeland and settled in a town called Ber Sheba. Today, we have Mufaddal bs in charge - who despises openly - people from other faiths, whom we consider Ahl al Kitaab. So, did Syedna Taher Saifuddin make a mistake - according to Mufaddal bs - by allowing this nanny to bring up members of Qasre Aali?! Yes, his last name may be Saifuddin, but that seems to be about the only thing Mufaddal bs seems to have in common with his grandfather. No further explanation required.
So imagine: you live in the West. You are sent an aamil from Saifee Mahal or from Jamea - who has little knowledge of the world you live in. And I know some will be ready to pounce every time Jamea is mentioned, but graduates of Jamea - according to Burhanuddin Mola's dream - were supposed to be not only highly educated in Deen but also in Duniya. Say you have a youth in crisis who is born and bread in the West. Would you take this young man or woman to an aamil for counseling?! You know the answer to this question, so no need to elaborate here.
So shouldn't it be the utmost interest of a leader to make sure that his aamils - especially if they are graduates of Jamea - be well equipped in handling modern day crises? But here, we have a leader who is bad-mouthing the West, telling people to stay away from groups, and encouraging all our youth to go to Jamea. Does he not realize that if everyone receives the same type of education, we will have a narrow-minded and narrow-versed leadership for the future? And how do we face the challenges of being minorities and Muslims in the West? In order to live in harmony in the world around us, we must first know the world around us, not shun it. This was not how Burhanuddin Mola taught us to be.
In fact, when Burhanuddin Mola RA visited the United States in 1986, in his bayaan in New York, he mentioned the importance of the Statue of Liberty and acknowledged its far reaching ethos. He even went further to admire America and the American spirit. Everywhere he went in the USA, people who met him were awestruck by his humbleness, his knowledge, and his spirituality. Yusuf bs himself was a highly educated worldly knowledgeable father-in-law of Mufaddal bs. Everyone who knew Yusuf bs can confirm his well-rounded education.
So now it's not hard to believe that nobody in Saifee Mahal is speaking up. How many of them would want to lose their amaalat and go out into the real world and work like the rest of us? How many would dare to speak up with the ever looming threat of violence from Badrul Jamali and Taha Hakimuddin - who are in charge of the Burhani Guards and Toloba?! Even Burhanuddin Mola's mukasir is afraid to speak up. We can all remember when this same mukasir vehemently tore down the zahir/batin ideology.
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Defenders of the Faith
One would imagine that the most knowledgeable group in Dawat are the graduates and students of Jamea. These are the true defenders of the faith. So where were they when the very rutba of mazoon which is in misaaq was being torn down piece by piece? Tearing apart even one part of the misaaq is the same as tearing apart all of it.
Imagine anyone in the world who looks at this with an open mind. Imagine that you are explaining this to a non-Bohri friend of yours. He asks you about misaaq.
You tell him that misaaq is the only way to salvation - without misaaq, there is no salvation; this is our belief.
Then he asks you what is in the misaaq.
You reply: various rules by which we must adhere to, similar to the ten commandments in Christianity.
Then he tells you that he heard about some dispute of taking people's names in misaaq.
You reply: what dispute? We only take three people's names in misaaq - like we have been doing for almost a millennium.
He says: really, you take people's names in misaaq? You mean the prophets?
You explain: no, the da'i, mazoon, and mukasir.
He says: who are these people?
You reply: the da'i is our spiritual leader and he appoints the mazoon and mukasir.
Then he asks: I heard that your mazoon had issues so you got rid of him.
You reply: yes, he had issues, so we don't really believe that he's the true mazoon.
He says: so then you no longer swear by his name in front of God Almighty or Allah?
You say: no, we still take his name for political reasons.
Your friend is awe-struck. He replies: how can you swear a lie in front of God?! Your friend who had lots of respect for the Dawoodi Bohras now has no respect left. And you have no answer to give him. Then he asks: don't you have a religious academy that would take up these matters?
You reply: yes.
He says: well, what do they say?
You reply: nothing.
What can you say?! Jamea - the defender of the faith - is the offender of the faith! It is Jamea's students who have picked up this whirlwind of zahir/batin, mazoon-bashing, mazoon-degrading, and finally laanat, and taken this evil message from house to house, and from faithful to faithful. Inside the walls of Jamea lay the very books which speak volumes about the mazoon yet they refuse to believe their own books. So are these books lying?! Has the faith suddenly been changed?! Have new books been written?! Who has changed the books?!
One would imagine that the most knowledgeable group in Dawat are the graduates and students of Jamea. These are the true defenders of the faith. So where were they when the very rutba of mazoon which is in misaaq was being torn down piece by piece? Tearing apart even one part of the misaaq is the same as tearing apart all of it.
Imagine anyone in the world who looks at this with an open mind. Imagine that you are explaining this to a non-Bohri friend of yours. He asks you about misaaq.
You tell him that misaaq is the only way to salvation - without misaaq, there is no salvation; this is our belief.
Then he asks you what is in the misaaq.
You reply: various rules by which we must adhere to, similar to the ten commandments in Christianity.
Then he tells you that he heard about some dispute of taking people's names in misaaq.
You reply: what dispute? We only take three people's names in misaaq - like we have been doing for almost a millennium.
He says: really, you take people's names in misaaq? You mean the prophets?
You explain: no, the da'i, mazoon, and mukasir.
He says: who are these people?
You reply: the da'i is our spiritual leader and he appoints the mazoon and mukasir.
Then he asks: I heard that your mazoon had issues so you got rid of him.
You reply: yes, he had issues, so we don't really believe that he's the true mazoon.
He says: so then you no longer swear by his name in front of God Almighty or Allah?
You say: no, we still take his name for political reasons.
Your friend is awe-struck. He replies: how can you swear a lie in front of God?! Your friend who had lots of respect for the Dawoodi Bohras now has no respect left. And you have no answer to give him. Then he asks: don't you have a religious academy that would take up these matters?
You reply: yes.
He says: well, what do they say?
You reply: nothing.
What can you say?! Jamea - the defender of the faith - is the offender of the faith! It is Jamea's students who have picked up this whirlwind of zahir/batin, mazoon-bashing, mazoon-degrading, and finally laanat, and taken this evil message from house to house, and from faithful to faithful. Inside the walls of Jamea lay the very books which speak volumes about the mazoon yet they refuse to believe their own books. So are these books lying?! Has the faith suddenly been changed?! Have new books been written?! Who has changed the books?!
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The Miracle of Burhanuddin Mola RA
So there are many out there who are awaiting a miracle - that Burhanuddin Mola RA will show them the way. They are not sure who the real Da'i is, but for convenience, they are following Mufaddal bs. Understandable. Nobody wants more stress in their lives. We already have our jobs/businesses, family, and friends to deal with. Religious issues are the last thing that should cause us stress. In fact, religion should give us comfort and peace and solace and security. Not the case for Dawoodi Bohras today. So these people who are awaiting this miracle - how long will you wait?! It's already been a year.
No need to wait. The miracle is in front of your eyes. It is a man who has sat silent for 50 years. Holding a secret that has cost him his family, his self-respect, his entire world around him. At the same time, he has been unable to defend those few who have defended him - due to this secret he must keep hidden. Until one year ago when the sun literally set on Dawat and an era unlike any other ever seen came to an end. This man revealed his secret. After 50 years. Did he have to?! He had no reason to. He could have spent the rest of his life in peace and tranquility with his immediate family. He doesn't require a fortune, he already has enough financial blessings to survive and provide for his immediate family for decades. Why would he risk everything - his peace, his grandchildren, his daughters, emotional well-being, his savings, his self-respect, his rest and sleep - to defend a secret 50 years old?!
For all the decades and childhood memories and family gatherings and Eid milans and breakfasts and birthdays that the generations of Saifee Mahal have spent with this man and his family, not even a single blink of an eyebrow to wonder why?! Those days of doing sajda and tasleem, shouting "mazoon saheb padhaare che" in glee, awaiting to be blessed by him, all forgotten?! No memories, not even a tear drop swelling in an eye? The trips with Burhanuddin Mola RA to Darus Sakina for a day when all of Saifee Mahal would be there for a picnic? Wasn't it Burhanuddin Mola who gave the name "Darus Sakina"? No, can't remember? Nothing?! Memory relapse, perhaps. Was he such a horrible person?! You loved him with your heart one day and suddenly...until you actually began spewing laanat on him?! OMG.
Keep waiting for a miracle. Like the survivors of the Titanic who had lost their family, the miracle of seeing them again never came when they landed in New York. But the miracle in front of their eyes was their very survival itself. Ironic that last year was the 100th anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic - when Burhanuddin Mola RA passed away in January.
So there are many out there who are awaiting a miracle - that Burhanuddin Mola RA will show them the way. They are not sure who the real Da'i is, but for convenience, they are following Mufaddal bs. Understandable. Nobody wants more stress in their lives. We already have our jobs/businesses, family, and friends to deal with. Religious issues are the last thing that should cause us stress. In fact, religion should give us comfort and peace and solace and security. Not the case for Dawoodi Bohras today. So these people who are awaiting this miracle - how long will you wait?! It's already been a year.
No need to wait. The miracle is in front of your eyes. It is a man who has sat silent for 50 years. Holding a secret that has cost him his family, his self-respect, his entire world around him. At the same time, he has been unable to defend those few who have defended him - due to this secret he must keep hidden. Until one year ago when the sun literally set on Dawat and an era unlike any other ever seen came to an end. This man revealed his secret. After 50 years. Did he have to?! He had no reason to. He could have spent the rest of his life in peace and tranquility with his immediate family. He doesn't require a fortune, he already has enough financial blessings to survive and provide for his immediate family for decades. Why would he risk everything - his peace, his grandchildren, his daughters, emotional well-being, his savings, his self-respect, his rest and sleep - to defend a secret 50 years old?!
For all the decades and childhood memories and family gatherings and Eid milans and breakfasts and birthdays that the generations of Saifee Mahal have spent with this man and his family, not even a single blink of an eyebrow to wonder why?! Those days of doing sajda and tasleem, shouting "mazoon saheb padhaare che" in glee, awaiting to be blessed by him, all forgotten?! No memories, not even a tear drop swelling in an eye? The trips with Burhanuddin Mola RA to Darus Sakina for a day when all of Saifee Mahal would be there for a picnic? Wasn't it Burhanuddin Mola who gave the name "Darus Sakina"? No, can't remember? Nothing?! Memory relapse, perhaps. Was he such a horrible person?! You loved him with your heart one day and suddenly...until you actually began spewing laanat on him?! OMG.
Keep waiting for a miracle. Like the survivors of the Titanic who had lost their family, the miracle of seeing them again never came when they landed in New York. But the miracle in front of their eyes was their very survival itself. Ironic that last year was the 100th anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic - when Burhanuddin Mola RA passed away in January.
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An Investment Gone Wrong
Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA spent years and years investing for Dawat. With the help of his youngest brother, Ibrahim bs Zainuddin, who was well versed with deen and duniya, and very well educated in financial matters. Ibrahim bs bought stocks, real estate, and companies on behalf of Dawat. Even hotels. Yes, hotels. This was foundation laying - the pillars were laid - for the wealth of Dawat that we see today. For years and years, frugality was the norm. Syedna Taher Saifuddin used to personally monitor each and every child for how much money they spent. Every paisa, paisa and aana aana was accounted for in detail. He used to personally tell miasaheb how much money to give each and every child - and each and every child was to be happy with what he/she was given, for even a trip to the park. STS would personally ask the children after they returned how much they spent on chana and ice cream.
Ibrahim bs - with the close and personal monitoring of STS - invested slowly and steadily for Dawat. Those who have seen how he used to live in his quarters in Badri Mahal can vouch for Ibrahim bs' frugality and simplicity, along with his elder brother Syedi Saleh bs Safiyuddin. Yes, Badri Mahal was not this golden fortress when Ibrahim bs and Saleh bs lived there. Their kitchen was the most un-modern for its time - very much like the chawls of Mumbai. After their death, Badri Mahal was transformed into what it is today by Burhanuddin Mola's shehzadas. They literally tore down the flats of the two brothers and started from scratch. For every penny that Dawat has today, we must be thankful for Ibrahim bs' khidmat. But how come we have never heard of this man? He was SKQ's father-in-law. No further explanation required.
Those who have seen the inside quarters of Burhanuddin Mola's flat in Saifee Mahal also know how frugal and simple he was. Like his father and uncles, Burhanuddin Mola was so frugal, that those who were young children playing in Saifee Mahal - especially in the upstairs hall close to his flat on the 3rd floor - remember how when he used to arrive and he saw even a light bulb that was glowing, he would tell the young children to turn it off.
Almost every single member of STS' family had stocks invested in their name from the time of STS and Ibrahim bs. Then comes Mufaddal bs, the great financial expert. He forced everyone in Saifee Mahal - widows who relied on their stock returns to buy medication - to sell their stocks because - as he put it - "haraam che!" Fill in the blanks yourself to what happened afterwards and up to the present day.
Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA spent years and years investing for Dawat. With the help of his youngest brother, Ibrahim bs Zainuddin, who was well versed with deen and duniya, and very well educated in financial matters. Ibrahim bs bought stocks, real estate, and companies on behalf of Dawat. Even hotels. Yes, hotels. This was foundation laying - the pillars were laid - for the wealth of Dawat that we see today. For years and years, frugality was the norm. Syedna Taher Saifuddin used to personally monitor each and every child for how much money they spent. Every paisa, paisa and aana aana was accounted for in detail. He used to personally tell miasaheb how much money to give each and every child - and each and every child was to be happy with what he/she was given, for even a trip to the park. STS would personally ask the children after they returned how much they spent on chana and ice cream.
Ibrahim bs - with the close and personal monitoring of STS - invested slowly and steadily for Dawat. Those who have seen how he used to live in his quarters in Badri Mahal can vouch for Ibrahim bs' frugality and simplicity, along with his elder brother Syedi Saleh bs Safiyuddin. Yes, Badri Mahal was not this golden fortress when Ibrahim bs and Saleh bs lived there. Their kitchen was the most un-modern for its time - very much like the chawls of Mumbai. After their death, Badri Mahal was transformed into what it is today by Burhanuddin Mola's shehzadas. They literally tore down the flats of the two brothers and started from scratch. For every penny that Dawat has today, we must be thankful for Ibrahim bs' khidmat. But how come we have never heard of this man? He was SKQ's father-in-law. No further explanation required.
Those who have seen the inside quarters of Burhanuddin Mola's flat in Saifee Mahal also know how frugal and simple he was. Like his father and uncles, Burhanuddin Mola was so frugal, that those who were young children playing in Saifee Mahal - especially in the upstairs hall close to his flat on the 3rd floor - remember how when he used to arrive and he saw even a light bulb that was glowing, he would tell the young children to turn it off.
Almost every single member of STS' family had stocks invested in their name from the time of STS and Ibrahim bs. Then comes Mufaddal bs, the great financial expert. He forced everyone in Saifee Mahal - widows who relied on their stock returns to buy medication - to sell their stocks because - as he put it - "haraam che!" Fill in the blanks yourself to what happened afterwards and up to the present day.
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Questions & Answers
. Saifee Mahal - the building itself - is now inhabited by widows and Badrul Jamali. All three floors have large halls. The living space in the building is very minimal.
Not that I am aware ofabde53 wrote:Bhai Haqqniwaat
Can you shed some light about Saify Mahal, GM bhai and others had posted that there are rooms in Saify Mahal with Cash and Gold, is it true
. Saifee Mahal - the building itself - is now inhabited by widows and Badrul Jamali. All three floors have large halls. The living space in the building is very minimal.Most of Qasre Aali does not live in the building of Saifee Mahal itself. There are two other buildings in the complex which are privately owned by shehzadas/shehzadis of both STS and SMB. Al Azhar was built by STS and is a privately owned building with flats owned by shehzadas/shehzadis of STS. This is also where SKQ owns a flat. Burhani Mahal is a privately owned building in the complex with flats owned by shehzadas/shehzadis of SMB. All other Qasre Aali members live either in other flats around Mumbai or overseas mostly on amaalat.abde53 wrote:I am hoping that you will continue to tell us more about how Qasr-e-Aali, Bait-e-Zainy live their lives as compared to ordinary Mumin/Mumina
None of STS' and SMB's shehzadas/shehzadis went to Jamea. In fact, until after the Multaqa, nobody from Saifee Mahal was allowed to go to Jamea. They were all educated in deeni knowledge directly from shehzadas/shehzadis and even STS and SMB himself, and sometimes moallim of Kothar (graduates of Jamea). For worldly knowledge, STS in the beginning years used to have tutors come and teach various subjects. In the later years, children went to regular schools/colleges. SMB's children did the same. Only in the last decade or so, all the youth - male and female - are strongly advised to go to Jamea.abde53 wrote:Do you know how many of Shezaadas and Shezaadis get their education at Jamea, do they go to Jamea or to convent schools
Baite Zaini do not live in Saifee Mahal. They are mostly independent or in amaalat and have close to normal lives. Qasre Aali are the children of STS; Baite Zaini are the children of Syedna Tayyeb Zainuddin. Of course, Burhanuddin Mola RA was fully aware but I have already given explanations regarding this in my previous posts.abde53 wrote:last two posts you have is praising Moula Burhanuddin but did Moula Burhanuddin knew about the working of Saify Mahal, who is in real control of Saify Mahal and the members of Qas re aali and Bait e Zainy,
This is a question for Kothar and the inner circle of Badri Mahal. I am only giving you information on Qasre Aali and Saifee Mahal. I am not privy to this other info. (deleted to protect the safety of the Source by Moderator)abde53 wrote:how is everyone Haphta (wazifa) paid. This will help Mumineen to know how their wajebaats are being used/
Re: Saifee Mahal - The Inside Stories
Haqniwaat
Thank you for sharing valuable information. I have a question ... nass was performed verbally without a witness as all have heard/read, but what baffles me is that there appears to be no hard evidence of it else that would have been submitted in the courts (or is there?)...
why would Burhanuddin Moula have not had provided or SKQ had not requested written/video tapped/audio tapped evidence in this age and time?
Salaams
Thank you for sharing valuable information. I have a question ... nass was performed verbally without a witness as all have heard/read, but what baffles me is that there appears to be no hard evidence of it else that would have been submitted in the courts (or is there?)...
why would Burhanuddin Moula have not had provided or SKQ had not requested written/video tapped/audio tapped evidence in this age and time?
Salaams
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I think most people have either kept their stocks - hidden from view of Mufaddal bs - or invested in real estate. Most of Saifee Mahal elders are not foolish enough - in financial matters - to listen to him. But they have not publicized it to the younger generation.kimanumanu wrote:One question haqniwaat regarding investments. If stocks were declared "haraam", where is the money being invested instead?
If we have any faith in Burhanuddin Mola RA - I would rest assured that whatever is required is being done by SKQ. We cannot expect him to publicize everything. If we had not been brainwashed by degrading the rutba of mazoon, we would not have this faithlessness as we do right now; we would simply go by the mazoon's word, and the shehzadas - especially Mufaddal bs and Qaid Johar bs - would have listened to SKQ when he declared the nass a year ago. He actually sent them letters saying exactly that - which they completely ignored. He even offered to talk to them - which invitation they mocked! Nobody would have spent a paisa on court cases or lawyers and the transition would have been peaceful and smooth.khaqsaar wrote:Haqniwaat
Thank you for sharing valuable information. I have a question ... nass was performed verbally without a witness as all have heard/read, but what baffles me is that there appears to be no hard evidence of it else that would have been submitted in the courts (or is there?)...
why would Burhanuddin Moula have not had provided or SKQ had not requested written/video tapped/audio tapped evidence in this age and time?
Salaams
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Re: Saifee Mahal - The Inside Stories
There was a post by Bro.porus some time back as under and Bro.haqniwaat could throw some light on its authenticity :-
Can we please build up the family tree of the "Royal" Family? I will make a start with Qasr-e-Aali, whose head was Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin, the 51st Dai. Qasr-e-Aali is a subset of Bayt-e-Zaini and is popularly known by its old name, the Kothar.
Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin had five wives. He was forced to marry his first wife against his wishes. The lady was from a prominent family and marriage was arranged when they were both children. The lady developed a hunchback. Does anyone know the name of this lady and which family was she from?
Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin's second wife was Lady Husaina, who was the mother of the present Sayedna Muhammad Burhanuddin. She is also the mother of present Mukasir, Husain Husamuddin, and a daughter Asma. In this forum, we have discussed Lady Husaina and controversy around her status which remains inconclusive.
Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin's third wife was Lady Wazeera who was not his favorite wife. I have heard that she remained in Surat and never joined her husband in Mumbai. She was the widow of his elder brother, who was designated to be the 51st Dai but died before taking office. Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin inherited both the Daiship of his deceased brother and was forced to marry his widow, which he reluctantly did. Moreover, their two boys were packed off to serve as Aamils in the United States. Their children are now continuing to serve as Aamils in Los Angeles and New Jersey. (Sons are Qasim and Asghar and daughters are Mariam, Khadija and Banoo)
The last two wives of Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin were his favorites.
The fourth wife was Lady Amena. She is the mother of current Maazoon, Khuzema Qutbuddin. Altogether she bore Sayedna 5 sons including the Mazoon and 4 daughters. One of the sons was Hatim Hamiduddin, famous among Bohras as an Oxford scholar.
The fifth wife was Lady Fatima, the mother of legendary Yusuf Najmuddin (YN). She bore Sayedna 3 sons, including YN, and 3 daughters. YN was frustrated by his father Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin in implementing 'Waajebaat' instead of Zakaat. He got his chance with Sayedna Muhammad Burhanuddin and implemented Wajebaat with vengeance. He also masterminded the annual Ashura hangama at various places round the globe.
In conclusion, Sayedna Taher Saifuddin had 23 children. Their families have now expanded to include about 200 members.
Please feel free to amend and add to the above information.
Lady Husaina's father was declared "Muddai". She was forced to break off all relations with her father's family, especially her brother Ismail. Her nephew, Ismail's son, was Ahmed Luqmani who, until his death two years ago, led the Progressive Bohra Jamaat in the United Kingdom.
There is a rumor that due to machinations in Saifi Mahal among the wives of Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin, Lady Husaina was administered poison and she died from it. Sayedna spent disproportionate amount of time with Lady Amena, his favorite wife, causing resentment among the wives.
Can we please build up the family tree of the "Royal" Family? I will make a start with Qasr-e-Aali, whose head was Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin, the 51st Dai. Qasr-e-Aali is a subset of Bayt-e-Zaini and is popularly known by its old name, the Kothar.
Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin had five wives. He was forced to marry his first wife against his wishes. The lady was from a prominent family and marriage was arranged when they were both children. The lady developed a hunchback. Does anyone know the name of this lady and which family was she from?
Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin's second wife was Lady Husaina, who was the mother of the present Sayedna Muhammad Burhanuddin. She is also the mother of present Mukasir, Husain Husamuddin, and a daughter Asma. In this forum, we have discussed Lady Husaina and controversy around her status which remains inconclusive.
Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin's third wife was Lady Wazeera who was not his favorite wife. I have heard that she remained in Surat and never joined her husband in Mumbai. She was the widow of his elder brother, who was designated to be the 51st Dai but died before taking office. Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin inherited both the Daiship of his deceased brother and was forced to marry his widow, which he reluctantly did. Moreover, their two boys were packed off to serve as Aamils in the United States. Their children are now continuing to serve as Aamils in Los Angeles and New Jersey. (Sons are Qasim and Asghar and daughters are Mariam, Khadija and Banoo)
The last two wives of Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin were his favorites.
The fourth wife was Lady Amena. She is the mother of current Maazoon, Khuzema Qutbuddin. Altogether she bore Sayedna 5 sons including the Mazoon and 4 daughters. One of the sons was Hatim Hamiduddin, famous among Bohras as an Oxford scholar.
The fifth wife was Lady Fatima, the mother of legendary Yusuf Najmuddin (YN). She bore Sayedna 3 sons, including YN, and 3 daughters. YN was frustrated by his father Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin in implementing 'Waajebaat' instead of Zakaat. He got his chance with Sayedna Muhammad Burhanuddin and implemented Wajebaat with vengeance. He also masterminded the annual Ashura hangama at various places round the globe.
In conclusion, Sayedna Taher Saifuddin had 23 children. Their families have now expanded to include about 200 members.
Please feel free to amend and add to the above information.
Lady Husaina's father was declared "Muddai". She was forced to break off all relations with her father's family, especially her brother Ismail. Her nephew, Ismail's son, was Ahmed Luqmani who, until his death two years ago, led the Progressive Bohra Jamaat in the United Kingdom.
There is a rumor that due to machinations in Saifi Mahal among the wives of Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin, Lady Husaina was administered poison and she died from it. Sayedna spent disproportionate amount of time with Lady Amena, his favorite wife, causing resentment among the wives.
Re: Saifee Mahal - The Inside Stories
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Syedna Taher Saifuddin's RA father was Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA (49th Da'i) and his father was Syedna Abdul Qadir Najmuddin RA (47th Da'i) and his father was Syedna Tayyeb Zainuddin RA.ghulam muhammed wrote:There was a post by Bro.porus some time back as under and Bro.haqniwaat could throw some light on its authenticity :-
Can we please build up the family tree of the "Royal" Family? I will make a start with Qasr-e-Aali, whose head was Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin, the 51st Dai. Qasr-e-Aali is a subset of Bayt-e-Zaini and is popularly known by its old name, the Kothar.
I have not heard of this and therefore I cannot confirm it.ghulam muhammed wrote:Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin had five wives. He was forced to marry his first wife against his wishes. The lady was from a prominent family and marriage was arranged when they were both children. The lady developed a hunchback. Does anyone know the name of this lady and which family was she from?
Yes, Husaina Aisaheba was Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin's RA mother and Asma bs and Husain bs. As far as being the 2nd wife of STS, this is the first I am hearing of this so I cannot confirm it.ghulam muhammed wrote:Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin's second wife was Lady Husaina, who was the mother of the present Sayedna Muhammad Burhanuddin. She is also the mother of present Mukasir, Husain Husamuddin, and a daughter Asma. In this forum, we have discussed Lady Husaina and controversy around her status which remains inconclusive.
Wazeera Aisaheba was first married to STS' elder brother, Syedi Tayyeb bs Zainuddin (not to be confused with Syedna Tayyeb Zainuddin). After his wafaat, STS married Wazeera Aisaheba and had two children, which I have posted in one of the previous posts. She did not remain in Surat - she lived in Saifee Mahal, 1st floor (ground floor) next to Abdut Tayyeb bs Zakiuddin's (the son of STS, not brother) quarters. Wazeera Aisaheba's previous son was the aamil of Pune for decades. His last name was also Zainuddin, and among his various children are Dr. Idris bs Zainuddin married to Shere Banu bs (daughter of STS) and they have been in London for decades. The other sons, Ali Asghar, Noman, and Najam were in the San Francisco Bay Area for many years but neither of them now live in the United States. Wazeera Aisaheba had no daughters to my knowledge; the names you have listed above are the daughters of Fatema Aisaheba. And Qasim and Ali Asghar which you are referring to above are also sons of Fatema Aisaheba.ghulam muhammed wrote:Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin's third wife was Lady Wazeera who was not his favorite wife. I have heard that she remained in Surat and never joined her husband in Mumbai. She was the widow of his elder brother, who was designated to be the 51st Dai but died before taking office. Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin inherited both the Daiship of his deceased brother and was forced to marry his widow, which he reluctantly did. Moreover, their two boys were packed off to serve as Aamils in the United States. Their children are now continuing to serve as Aamils in Los Angeles and New Jersey. (Sons are Qasim and Asghar and daughters are Mariam, Khadija and Banoo)
Possibly so.ghulam muhammed wrote:The last two wives of Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin were his favorites.
I can confirm this, yes.ghulam muhammed wrote:The fourth wife was Lady Amena. She is the mother of current Maazoon, Khuzema Qutbuddin. Altogether she bore Sayedna 5 sons including the Mazoon and 4 daughters. One of the sons was Hatim Hamiduddin, famous among Bohras as an Oxford scholar.
I can confirm this, yes, but not the wajebaat part.ghulam muhammed wrote:The fifth wife was Lady Fatima, the mother of legendary Yusuf Najmuddin (YN). She bore Sayedna 3 sons, including YN, and 3 daughters. YN was frustrated by his father Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin in implementing 'Waajebaat' instead of Zakaat. He got his chance with Sayedna Muhammad Burhanuddin and implemented Wajebaat with vengeance. He also masterminded the annual Ashura hangama at various places round the globe.
21 children (see one of my previous posts);. Sakina bs passed away at a very young age. She was the eldest daughter of Fatema Aisaheba and her ziyarat is at Charni Road in Mumbai. About 350 members of Qasre Aali now.ghulam muhammed wrote:In conclusion, Sayedna Taher Saifuddin had 23 children. Their families have now expanded to include about 200 members.
This is the first that I am hearing of this so I cannot confirm it.ghulam muhammed wrote:Lady Husaina's father was declared "Muddai". She was forced to break off all relations with her father's family, especially her brother Ismail. Her nephew, Ismail's son, was Ahmed Luqmani who, until his death two years ago, led the Progressive Bohra Jamaat in the United Kingdom.
Husaina Aisaheba passed away before Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA married his other three wives; so the theory in the first sentence does not make sense. Yes, Amena Aisaheba, the youngest of the four Aisaheba, was in STS' khidmat in the last years. I cannot confirm the resentment part.ghulam muhammed wrote:There is a rumor that due to machinations in Saifi Mahal among the wives of Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin, Lady Husaina was administered poison and she died from it. Sayedna spent disproportionate amount of time with Lady Amena, his favorite wife, causing resentment among the wives.
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If I have no knowledge about a subject/topic, I cannot confirm it - I don't make things up, sorry.Haqq_Prevails wrote:HNW:
For some of the questions, you have no knowledge or you cannot confirm?
Nobody should be confirming something that they do not know.
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It was never SMB, it was his shehzadas. Maybe one of the shehzadas' truthful and God-fearing assistants can confirm this. (Good luck finding them.)asad wrote:Br. HNW,
1) SMB started hording gold for Fatema zahra's zareeh, and MS is doing the same. where is that gold or is it already liquidated.
The Kothar takes care of it. And by Kothar, I mean the real Kothar - non-Qasre Aali graduates of Jamea in khidmat. About distribution, your guess is as good as mine.asad wrote:2) How is ziyafat money distributed.
The Kothar takes care of this, as well. But let me just say that gallas are found in many faiths especially in India, and the faithful tend to not question what happens to the money; that is a part of our faith. Otherwise, why bother putting anything in the galla, right?asad wrote:3) Who takes Galla money from different mazars
Ha ha. You can count these with three fingers. All three of these families are with SKQ and have jobs/business.asad wrote:4) How does extended family of STS and SMB fend for themselves if they are not in amalat or are old.
Do you really think that there are any financial records?! Mufaddal bs doesn't know the difference between a savings and a checking account. Who's going to ask for them? The guys who handle the finances?asad wrote:5) Why have financial records of Dawat never came out, who holds them so tightly.
I don't know. Every family is different depending on how well they kept their investments (see my previous post on Ibrahim bs and investing).asad wrote:6) How much is the estimated wealth of Qasre Ali.
I don't know what they do with the money, so I cannot confirm. However, if they are collecting things like Nazrul Maqaam then it goes back to Dawat in its proper place - or should. The criteria for selecting SED is based on how well you are liked by mufaddal bs, shehzadas, and kothar. It is certainly not based on your resume!asad wrote:7) Do Saheb E dawat give back or deposit money to dawat or is it personal property. whats the criteria of selection for SED.
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Re: Saifee Mahal - The Inside Stories
make it 7
we have heard in africa KQ distributed cd or paper and took sign of the people claiming he too received faiz of imam.
is this true?
why nothing has been said about this by his side when MS side is throwing allegations of such sorts?
we have heard in africa KQ distributed cd or paper and took sign of the people claiming he too received faiz of imam.
is this true?
why nothing has been said about this by his side when MS side is throwing allegations of such sorts?