fayyaaz wrote:fiate2000 wrote:Bhai Fayyaz your writng was worth reading, however I found the third group bit, ambiguous. I consider myself a Muslim free from Secterianism, what are we supposed to achieve? and what knowledge are we meant to dissemenate and attract what? and why do you consider true muslims to be make believers
The third group is that of anti-Bohras. These are the ones who do not accept the authority of the Dai but choose, hypocritically, to remain in the cult for social reasons and particularly to take advantage of the rites of passage for their families. This is a significant proportion of the community. It may even be a majority but it has no interest in 'rocking the boat'. They are not particularly concerned with non-Bohra interpretation of the Quran nor with non-Bohra view of Islam.
I do not believe that today there is any Muslim free of sectarianism. Your claim that you are a Muslim free of sectarianism is rather like a Saudi who rejects the label Wahhabi and chooses to call himself only a Muslim. As a Muslim, your view of Quran, Sunnah and Muslim history will betray your sect. If you choose to be eclectic and pick and choose your Islam from different sects, you are in one sect one moment and then in another the next.
Perhaps you can define for me what a non-sectarian Muslim believes. Which interpretation of Quran and which interpretation of Sunnah and which interpretation of Muslim history? You can do all that while not being a Muslim at all.
If you are a Muslim, you are at least following some rituals. Rituals according to which sect? Sect with you in it all by yourself? Tell me what sect that is.
The third group is that of anti-Bohras. These are the ones who do not accept the authority of the Dai but choose, hypocritically, to remain in the cult for social reasons and particularly to take advantage of the rites of passage for their families. This is a significant proportion of the community. It may even be a majority but it has no interest in 'rocking the boat'. They are not particularly concerned with non-Bohra interpretation of the Quran nor with non-Bohra view of Islam.
Totally agree. If these majority revolted their fate would change for the better, but alas! who is going to bell the cat. The cunning leaders have laid a strong tactical net over the lives of the Abdes making it very difficult for them to get free. All they do is moan, groan and complain
I do not believe that today there is any Muslim free of sectarianism. Your claim that you are a Muslim free of sectarianism is rather like a Saudi who rejects the label Wahhabi and chooses to call himself only a Muslim. As a Muslim, your view of Quran, Sunnah and Muslim history will betray your sect.
Believe me there many who, like me; do not believe in segregating the Muslim Ummah. As you are well aware Sects are nothing but an integration of ones beliefs and aqeedah. Usually a sect is made by its leader and its followers. They can have different goals for making a sect but mostly the goals have been political and for gaining worldly interests (power and position). The followers are usually the laid back ones looking for a simple shortcut to heaven.
Islam is a faith that has always existed since Prophet Adam, but the final and complete revelation of the faith was made through Prophet Muhammad. History of Islam has been shaped and reshaped usually by the one in power and authority.
Perhaps you can define for me what a non-sectarian Muslim believes. Which interpretation of Quran and which interpretation of Sunnah and which interpretation of Muslim history? You can do all that while not being a Muslim at all.
The arabic word for "sect" is "shiaat"..
"sunni" implies "shiya un sunnah".
"shia" implies "shiya un ali", Under Islam both would be considered wrong and in the Quran as follows:
But the people divided their religion among them into sects – each faction, in what it has, rejoicing. (Surat Al-Mu'minūn, 23:53)
A non-sectarian Muslim believes that A Muslim should not emphasize the secondary issues over the primary issues that are not disputed and are clearly stated in Quran like core beliefs (e.g. belief in God, the day of judgment, and the prophets) and core duties (e.g. Salah, Zakat).
In short, it seems that from Quran's perspective Muslims are all brothers and one Ummah, and emphasizing associations to a particular groups over being Muslim seems to be something that God dislikes and should be avoided.
If you choose to be eclectic and pick and choose your Islam from different sects, you are in one sect one moment and then in another the next. If you are a Muslim, you are at least following some rituals. Rituals according to which sect? Sect with you in it all by yourself? Tell me what sect that is.
'NO SECT'. You missed the whole point. Allah does not like categorization in other word 'SECT'. Most of the basic practices/ritual beliefs that identifies a Muslim can be learnt from understanding the Quran, what appears incomprehensible can be approached neutrally, for example by asking a learned person, or looking at various sources and making an intelligent assessment. I believe Islam is not very difficult to practice. It is the hypocrisy of today's leaders to create an atmosphere of guilt and fear so that we look onto them for salvation and in turn they grow stronger and greedier.
