JavedhJuma wrote:Brother James,
Sorry if I touched a raw nerve.
I am not a Qutbi Bohra.
I am a Nizari Ismaili and we are taught not to say Lanat on anybody because We, as humans we are not perfect and we should not recite lanat on anybody.
What has the imperfection of human beings got to do with the Sunnah amal of Prophet Mohammed SAW (Reciting Lanat of enemies of Allah Ta'ala and Ahle Bayt of Prophet Mohammed SAW) ?
Perhaps you also believe that as we are an imperfect creation,we shouldn't recite or try to understand perfect Quran as well. Or we shouldn't step our imperfect feet in the holy precinct of Ka'ba?
What was the outcome of lanats recited by late Syedna on the 3 Khalifas during Mohorram a few years ago. He had to apologise. If he was right then why did he apologise? You should learn from that. I was taught "when you spit, it would not be possible to put that spit back into your mouth without consequences."
Syedna RA did what he did in the larger interests of well being of mumineen.You should look at the wordings of the public apology.Never once did he claim that praying lanat on enemies of Ahle Bayt is a wrong action.
Instead, we are taught, to pray to Allah SWT to give taufiq to the misguided one. And leave it to Him to take care of things.
You keep mentioning "you are taught".
In another post to Qadir,you said "So go read the Qur'an independent of your Sheikhs because they themselves are not perfect."
If I may,who educates you? Is it an imperfect human being as you judged Qadir's Sheikhs to be?
Tell me something. If the 3 Caliphas were deserving of lanats, then why did not Mowla Ali AS or the Prophet recite lanat on them. Why did Mowla Ali AS marry their daughters and even named his children after them. Why did Prophet SAW marry Hazarat Abu Bakar's daughter?
If Mowla Ali AS and the Prophet SAW did not recite lanat on them, who are we to do so? I do not believe anybody or any leader is above these two spiritual leaders.
You are trying the tired old rhetoric used by the Wahabbis.I'm not surprised. On one hand you claim that you do not give much weight to ahadith.On the other hand,you want to discuss the actions of Prophet Mohammed SAW or Commander of the Faithful Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib AS which are well documented in ahadith. Win-win for you eh?
If Mowla Ali AS and the Prophet SAW did not recite lanat on them, who are we to do so? I do not believe anybody or any leader is above these two spiritual leaders.
You have no way of knowing if Prophet Mohammed SAW and Imam Ali AS recited lanat or not as you don't give weight to ahadith. What are your thoughts regarding Moulatena Zainab AS (Sister of the Lord of Martyrs Imam Husain AS),Imam Ali Zainul Abedin AS,Imam Mohammed Baqir AS,Imam Jafer us Sadiq AS? Do you reckon their actions would be in line with actions of Prophet Mohammed SAW or Imam Ali AS? Again,there are numerous traditions of actions of these esteemed personalities where they have recited lanat.If only you gave weight to ahadith and traditions!
You cannot teach me Qur'an or Ahadith. I know what Qur'an says. But Qur'an also tells me to use my Aql. As Allah SWT's servant I cannot raise myself to His level or the Prophet's level to give my pronouncements of lanat on my fellow human beings because I do not agree with their interpretation of faith. I am not pure. I am a sinner so what right do I have to pronounce lanat on anybody. I know I am not perfect and I do not dwell on this history of the past. People who dwell on the past can never progress. Like they say, when you point a finger at somebody, the other four fingers point back to you. Live and let go. Use your God given Aql. That is why Man was and is Allah SWT's highest creation.
I do not give much weight to ahadith.
Surah Baqarah 2:161.Read and weep! It shatters the apologetic Anti-Islamic bullshit you have written.Everything the Quran says will be dismissed by you because Quran also tells you to use your Aql.Right?
Funny you say that people who dwell on the past can never progress.If you knew what Quran says,you would have understood that a good major percentage of it refers to the era of past Prophets.
I am not going to argue with you on the subject. If you want to justify yourself to say lanat on people, please do so but do not tell me I am wrong when I say, I do not share your views. I have my right to my own interpretation.
You can believe whatever you want to believe.But expect people to reply when you issue blanket statements on behalf of Allah SWT. After all,blood boiling is common between imperfect human beings.