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Taher Fakhrudin and related topics

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Unread post by Ozdundee » Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:23 am

Site dedicated to discussion regarding the mission of the 54th Diai of Fatemi Dawat aka Qutbi Bohras, Sayedna Taher Fakhrudin son of SQK. To be titled STF.



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Unread post by kimanumanu » Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:34 am

Will the court case continue is one of the questions on my mind.



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Unread post by seeker110 » Sat Apr 02, 2016 11:14 am

Tough times for the Imam in Purdah .



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Unread post by Dumbledore » Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:46 pm

STF should now have talks with reformists and fence sitters



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Unread post by Ozdundee » Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:20 am

STF and FD declaring him a Diai shows the challenge will continue. Bohras , progressive , reformist and liberal minded person have to look beyond Nass and salvage the decline before it is too late and the community continues to drift . Withthe arrival of STF I hope this is a turning point. STF is a very decent family person who is pragmatic about Bohra , Islamic and worldly issues. STF of mid age hopefully will bring in modern thinking and reasonableness.Let's give him the benefit of fresh breeze over the tribulations.

Reformist themselves need reforms and fresh leadership who have 21st century generational appreciation. So before reformists seek a position of negotiations, Reformist need to seek new mandate and unite as a global authority based on a flavour of democracy. One observation SMS and SKQ ran a centralized operations while reformist are decentralised , random activists, there needs to be an organised movement with new objectives..

I did have concern that the Diaiship, aka leadership establishment rotates within one family , and historically Diais have not prepared commoners to being leaders , however this is not an immediate issue but can be addressed by providing fair and equitable education rollout so the best amongst our children and grandchildren can be capable of the best and competent to be selected or nominated to lead the community. Diai or leadership needs to coaches any child to be the next Diai !



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Unread post by humanbeing » Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:54 am

In my opinion the concern is what the followers wants from thier community leader. An administrative leader or a religious leader or a leader by blood.

the shia belief is dependent on leadership by blood only. and this mentality follows through in other aspects as well. So it is going to be a tough task to train and have people accept a non-blood successor lead the community.

one of the major USP kothari royals enjoy and exploit is thier blood line. All questions and objections get sweeped off when it comes to affiliation. if not these thugs then who ! these kothari thugs have drilled down people's mind that leadership has to be from their family. it is almost become a doctrine now.



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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:37 am

Dont know how n why, but I do get positive vibes with Taher b.s. in the position of Dai. May be because he is young and he can understand today's world properly and I also do feel that he can attract the youth of todays generation. Till date we have seen dai (old n current) only of grandpa age but he be on seat of extreme position, thinking may change. He need to show courage he had to come out open in public as "SYEDNA" earlier too he had shown courage for instance saifee mahal visit or raudat tahera ziarat. The more he show courage the more he gain publicity the more people especially youth will start thinking...

Hope he his working on strategy and wish he show courage.

I congratulate Taher b.s. for becoming the 54th dai and also wish all the best in his stuggle. May the future or current generation get inspired from his courage.
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Unread post by alivasan » Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:18 am

Wonder what's STF's plan to visit his grandfathers grave on becoming new dai.what about masjids, jamatkhanas, madresas, kabrastan in mumbai and rest of india...when will those get constructed. I think to start with kutbi jammat will provide only temporary markaz...all this questions will arise in mind of folks sitting on fence..



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Unread post by kimanumanu » Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:45 am

http://www.fatemidawat.com/resources/ba ... 1437h.html

Syedna Taher Fakhruddin TUS delivered bayaan mubarak on the 25th of Jamadil Ukhra in Suyum Majlis of Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin RA. Syedna Taher addressed Mumineen with great sorrow, mourning the loss of our beloved father, our Dai, our Maula, Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin. He remembered with flowing tears theshanaat of the 53rd dai, his himmat, his sabr, his shafaqat on Mumineen, and his doa-e-mustajab. He also narrated the manner in which his father Syedna Qutbuddin performed Nass on him on 27th Muharram, 1437H, on the Urus mubarak of Syedi Fakhruddin Shaheed. He recited from the Nass misaal which Syedna Qutbuddin wrote with his own hand, describing Syedna Taher as “a sahib with great virtue, quintessence of the noble Dais, worthy of the gaadi of the Dais, who stands in the saff of the Duat Mutlaqeen.” Syedna Fakhruddin bestowed doa for all Mumineen, Muminaat and their children in this most difficult of times by the wasila of Imam Husain SA and his shahadat.



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Unread post by Universaldad » Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:46 am

fustrate_Bohra wrote:Dont know how n why, but I do get positive vibes with Taher b.s. in the position of Dai. May be because he is young and he can understand today's world properly and I also do feel that he can attract the youth of todays generation. Till date we have seen dai (old n current) only of grandpa age but he be on seat of extreme position, thinking may change. He need to show courage he had to come out open in public as "SYEDNA" earlier too he had shown courage for instance saifee mahal visit or raudat tahera ziarat. The more he show courage the more he gain publicity the more people especially youth will start thinking...

Hope he his working on strategy and wish he show courage.

I congratulate Taher b.s. for becoming the 54th dai and also wish all the best in his stuggle. May the future or current generation get inspired from his courage.
What a beautiful opportunity for TF to get dawaat of the munafakeen community. Rather than him having to do dawaat, his people are doing dawaat to him to come into their fold. Munafakeen deserve a fitting leader like TF. come on guys negotiate something amoungst your selves. Give each other support.



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Unread post by kimanumanu » Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:50 am

Actions speak louder than words. Keep spreading your poison and showing the true colours of the Mufaddali dawat.



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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:00 am

Rather than him having to do dawaat, his people are doing dawaat to him to come into their fold. Munafakeen deserve a fitting leader like TF.[/quote]

I laugh when MS GHULAM refer others as Munafakeen when they themselves had cross all limits of Humanity.

As far as leader is concerned it is said a leader lead followers with example and the way you people behave shows the reflection of your Master.

Btw, How many crackers u burst after hearing the demise of STS son cum half brother of SMB cum Mazoon of dawat for 50 yrs?



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Unread post by noor5253 » Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:37 am

Syedna Qutbuddin Shaheed RA
Urus Program, Broadcast and Amal Details
Syedna Taher Fakhruddin will lead maghrib isha namaaz in Darus Sakina, Bakersfield and will preside over Urus Waaz Majlis of Syedna Qutbuddin Shaheed on eve of 27 Jamadil Ukhra (3 April, Sunday) at 7:30 PM PST. Shz Dr Abdeali Bhaisaheb will lead maghrib isha namaaz in Darus Sakina, Thane and will preside over Urus Waaz Majlis of Syedna Qutbuddin Shaheed on eve of 27 Jamadil Ukhra (3 April, Sunday) at 7:30 PM. Shz Abdeali Bhaisaheb's Majlis will be broadcast live through this link and will be available for replay 30 minutes after live broadcast ends. On this occasion, mumineen should follow these amal details.
So now the Qutbis have India na Maula and US na Maula.. How will they split their 100 followers? 50/50 ?

TB (I dont think he needs to be called TF) didnt come to India.. Can you imagine.. Both father and son both doing Davedaari and have not done ziyarat of their alleged Naas.. What a shameful nomination..for such a person.. Everyone who knows TB knows what kind of a person he is..
The legal fraternity was divided on the point whether Taher Fakhruddin can continue to challenge Syedna Mufaddal's appointment as the Syedna. Senior advocate Iqbal Chagla, who was conducting Qutbuddin's crossexamination on behalf of Syedna Mufaddal last year, said, "This is not a regular suit wherein a heir is seeking succession to a person's estate. It was a succession in the title. When the plaintiff's (Khuzaima) title itself hasn't been proven, how can he pass on the title to someone?"  Senior advocate Darius Khambata, who is not connected with the case, echoed the view expressed by Chagla. "This is a derivative title. Qutbuddin's son will have to first prove that the Nass was actually conferred upon Qutbuddin, and that he was indeed the 53rd Dai al-Mutlaq, after which it will have to be shown that Qutbuddin conferred the Nass on his son." 
What a state of affairs.. We really wish that the Qutbis who believe in KQ see openly what the rest of the Mumineen can see clearly.. The falsehoods and the idiocracies of this family in running their show.



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Unread post by Aminullah » Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:00 am

Right now community has just two options, follow mufaddal saifuddin and remain ape or follow syedna Taher and become humans. intelligent people will decide for them self.

Syedna Taher Fakhruddin clear view and opinion about oppressors of this zaman is worth appreciating

https://dearmrqutbuddin.wordpress.com/
How will they split their 100 followers? 50/50 ?
why are you so much concern about those just 100 followers? let them live their life. you have every thing from markaz to masjid yet those 100 followers give you nightmares?
rest of the Mumineen can see clearly
we can already see rest of so called momeenin have already lost their soul to devil like mufaddal saifuddin.
The falsehoods and the idiocracies of this family in running their show.
mufaddal saifuddin is not part of STS family? (though he does sound like he is an adopted one)
Everyone who knows TB knows what kind of a person he is..
can you tell us what kind of person he is?
What a beautiful opportunity for TF to get dawaat of the munafakeen community. Rather than him having to do dawaat, his people are doing dawaat to him to come into their fold. Munafakeen deserve a fitting leader like TF. come on guys negotiate something amoungst your selves. Give each other support.
actually this is the true way of doing real dawat in which you call people towards haq and explain them what is truth, unlike mufaddal saifuddin who is busy calling lanat and throwing people out of fold if they ask genuine questions.



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Unread post by Aminullah » Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:23 pm

STF Qualifications, any mufaddali can post how qualified MS is?
Throughout Maulana Taher’s life, moreover, he received his father Maulana Qutbuddin’s continuous personal and special training in ilm-e Aal-e Mohammed and in the running and siyasat of Dawat affairs. For some years, Maulana Taher lived in Cairo, and studied Arabic and Quran memorization and recitation.

In secular institutions, Maulana Taher obtained an MA in Arabic literature from London University’s School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS), and prior to that, he topped the cohort of Bombay University in his Arabic literature B.A. Like Syedna Ismail Badruddin Bawa RA—on whose Urus mubarak this year Syedna Qutbuddin obtained wafaat and Maulana Taher became Dai— Maulana Taher also possesses acute business acumen, and is especially well versed in agricultural development and finance.



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Unread post by fustrate_Bohra » Sun Apr 03, 2016 1:54 pm

MS qualification? Aminullah you might not know that MS followers have failed miserably to mentioned one even one qualification of MS. Yes they may give you list of degress (which of course paid by our money) but the reason for the degress even they also not know.



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Unread post by Aminullah » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:38 am

posting for readers benefit :

Imam Ja`far [a] relates 121 signs of the End Times.

1. You will see the truth die and leave its people.
2. And you will see that tyranny has encompassed the countries.
3. And you will see the Qur’an become old, and new things will be introduced to it that are not in it, and it will be interpreted according to desires.
4. And you will see the religion turned upside down like a vessel of water being turned upside down.
5. And you will see the people of falseness rise above the people of righteousness.
6. And you will see evil become manifest and no one prohibiting it, and the people will excuse its doers.
7. And you will see moral degradation become manifest, and men being satisfied by men, and women being satisfied by women.
8. And you will see a believing person become silent, with his words not accepted.
9. And you will see an immoral person lie, yet his lies and slander will not be challenged.
10. And you will see the young demean their elders.

11. And you will see relations being severed.
12. And you will see one who is praised for his immorality and he laughs at it, and his saying are not challenged.
13. And you will see pedophilia with boys.
14. And you will see women marry women.
15. And you will see compliments become many.
16. And you will see a man spend his wealth in something other than in obedience to Allah, and he is not prohibited from doing so, and his hand is not taken back.
17. And you will see the onlookers seek refuge with Allah due to the hard struggle of the believer.
18. And you will see neighbors harm neighbors, and no one will prevent it.
19. And you will see the unbeliever become happy because of what he sees in the believers, and he will become happy because of the moral degradation on Earth.
20. And you will see wine being drunk in public, and gatherings centred on it, none fearing Allah.

21. And you will see amr bil ma`roof (commanding the good) become ignoble.
22. And you will see an immoral person do what Allah does not love, and is considered mighty and praised for it.
23. And you will see the people of the signs despised, and those who are like them despised.
24. And you will see the path of good halted, and the path of evil adopted.
25. And you will see the House of Allah being inactive and becoming abandoned.
26. And you will see a man say what he does not do.
27. And you will see men use oils for men and women for women.
28. And you will see men earn a livelihood from homosexuality and women earn a livelihood from prostitution.
29. And you will see women take to gatherings the way men do.
30. And you will see effeminate behaviour in the progeny of al-`Abbas become manifest, and dyeing become manifest, and grooming [among men] like the grooming of women for their husbands, and men awarded money for their sexual organs, and the rich cherished above the believers, and usury become manifest and not frowned upon, and fornication praised in women.

31. And you will see women please their husbands by fornicating with men.
32. And you will see many people, and the best houses are those who help women commit immoral actions.
33. And you will see the believer depressed and scorned and humiliated.
34. And you will see bid`a fornication become manifest.
35. And you will see people argue with false witnesses.
36. And you will see haram turn into halal.
37. And you will see halal turn into haram.
38. And you will see the religion taken by opinion, and the Book and its laws become neglected.
39. And you will see people not hiding in the night from their action against Allah.
40. And you will see a believer unable to reject evil except with his heart.

41. And you will see great wealth being spent in what Allah hates.
42. And you will see rulers become closer to the people of disbelief and separate from the people of good.
43. And you will see rulers being bribed for a judgment.
44. And you will see governments being given to those who are higher in status.
45. And you will see relatives getting married to each other and being satisfied with that.
46. And you will see men murder for an accusation, and upon conjecture, and upon differences with another man who gives himself and his wealth.
47. And you will see a man pay to have sex with women.
48. And you will see a man eat from the earnings of his wife which she got from immoral actions and him knowing it, and being fine with it.
49. And you will see women overcome their husbands, and work for what he desires, and spend on their husbands.
50. And you will see men putting their women and girls to work, and be satisfied with worthless food and drink.

51. And you will see faith in Allah be based on many falsehoods.
52. And you will see gambling become manifest.
53. And you will see wine vendors become manifest and no one preventing it.
54. And you will see women give themselves to the disbelievers.
55. And you will see frivolity become manifest, and people will pass by and not prevent it, and no one will dare to stop it.
56. And you will see the nobles become belittled due to their fear of the rulers.
57. And you will see the closest people to the rulers will be praised for cursing the Ahl al-Bayt.
58. And you will see our lovers called liars and their testimonies not accepted.
59. And you will see those who compete over false words.
60. And you will see the Qur’an will become heavy on the people to listen to, and it will be light upon the people to listen to falsehood.

61. And you will see a neighbor honor another neighbor because of fear of his tongue.
62. And you will see punishments become neglected and people will act according to their desires.
63. And you will see the mosques being adorned.
64. And you will see those considered truthful to be slanderers and liars.
65. And you will see evil and gossip become manifest.
66. And you will see adulteresses become rampant.
67. And you will see backbiting become likeable, and the people will give it as good news to one another.
68. And you will see people struggle and seek pilgrimages for other than Allah.
69. And you will see rulers humiliate the believers for the unbelievers.
70. And you will see destruction pass from ages.

71. And you will see men earn a livelihood from cheating in measuring and scaling.
72. And you will see bloodshed being brushed aside.
73. And you will see a man seeking leadership for the sake of the world and making himself famous through maligning with his tongue, and the affairs are supported by him.
74. And you will see prayer being belittled.
75. And you will see men who have great wealth, but does not pay alms for his country.
76. And you will see the dead exhumed from his grave, being desecrated, and his sheets sold.
77. And you will see much commotion.
78. And you will see men becoming drunk and turning intp drunkards, with no one caring.
79. And you will see bestiality.
80. And you will see animals devour one another.

81. And you will see men come out from the prayer area and return, without anything from his clothes (on him).
82. And you will see the hearts of people become tough and their eyes become hard, and remembrance (of Allah) become heavy for them.
83. And you will see people competing for unlawful things become manifest.
84. And you will see someone praying just so the people can see.
85. And you will see a scholar learn for other than the religion, and seek the world and leadership.
86. And you will see people who overpower others.
87. And you will see a person seeking the halal being defamed and humiliated, and the person seeking haram being praised and dignified.
88. And you will see actions in the Two Mosques that Allah does not like, and no one will prevent it or try to change anyone between them and the ugly action.
89. And you will see musical instruments appearing in the Two Mosques.
90. And you will see a man who speaks something that is true and commands the good and forbids the evil, yet someone will stand up and advise him and say: ‘This is not your responsibility’

91. And you will see people watch one another and emulate the people of evil.
92. And you will see the path of good and its path being empty that no one wants to pursue.
93. And you will see death being ridiculed and no one being afraid of it.
94. And you will see that, every year, newly invented things from the evil and many bid`a will come.
95. And you will see the creations and gatherings not following anyone except the wealthy.
96. And you will see the poor receive help so that people can laugh at them, and have mercy on him for other than for the sake of Allah.
97. And you will see signs in the Earth, yet no one will fear.
98. And you will see people have sex like animals have sex, and no one will reject this because of fear from the people.
99. And you will see a man spend a lot in other than obedience to Allah, and denies little in obedience of Allah.
100. And you will see ungratefulness becoming manifest, and belittling of the parents, and they will be from the worst condition of people for the children, and they will be happy defaming them (their parents).

101. And you will see the women become powerful in the land, and have power over all the affairs, and nothing could come about except what she desires.
102. And you will see the son of man defame his father and curse his father, and become happy when he dies.
103. And you will see a man, when a day passes and he has not earned a great sin in it from tyranny, or cheating in measuring, or scale, or committing an unlawful act, or drinking wine, he becomes sad and depressed and counts that day as a day lost in his life.
104. And you will see a ruler monopolize on the food.
105. And you will see the assets of relatives distributed in falsehood and gambled with to drink wine.
106. And you will see alcohol being used as a cure and a form to heal the sick.
107. And you will see the people equal in abandoning commanding the good and forbidding the evil and abandoning the religion.
108. And you will see the hypocrites and people of hypocrisy on the rise, and the people of truth stagnant.
109. And you will see money asked for doing the adhan and prayer.
110. And you will see the mosques crowded with those who do no fear Allah. They gather for backbiting, and they eat the flesh of the people of truth, and prescribe wine and intoxicants.

111. And you will see the drunkards lead the the people in prayer, and they will have no understanding, and they will not be ashamed of being drunk, and being drunk will be honored and feared, and abandoning drunkenness will be feared, and no punishment for being drunk.
112. And you will see those who eat the wealth of orphans be praised as being good.
113. And you will see judges judge against what Allah has commanded.
114. And you will see the rulers trust the treacherous ones for greed.
115. And you will see inheritors become vilified, and the rulers of the people of immorality and against the commandment of Allah will take from them and leave whatever they desire.
116. And you will see those on the pulpits command the people to act piously, but they do no act on what they command.
117. And you will see the timing of prayer be belittled.
118. And you will see charity given for demands and pleasures, and not for the sake of Allah.
119. And you will see the people who take care of their stomachs and their sexual organs, and do not pay attention to what they eat and who they have sex with.
120. And you will see the world following them.
121. And you will see the banner of truth become old.

The Imam then said, "So you must beware and request deliverance from Allah. Know that Allah is angry with the people, and He gives respite for a matter He wants for them. Strive and remain watchful so that Allah sees you do the opposite of what they do."



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Unread post by Saif53 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:05 am

FROM THE QUTBI BOHRA BLOG
http://qutbibohras.blogspot.com/2016/03 ... ouble.html
The New Qutbi Bohra Nass: Double Standards?
Khuzaima Qutbuddin expired on 31 March 2016.

In the "Na’ye" email sent by the Fatemi Dawat Website sent a few moments ago, it announced that KQ has appointed his eldest son, Taher as his successor.
Quoting their email:

Syedna Qutbuddin RA has left in our midst his successor, his Shehzada to whom Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA gave the name Taher, the Mubarak name of Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA. Syedna Qutbuddin RA personally prepared his beloved son and made him like him in knowledge and character. This year on the 27th of Muharram, the urus Mubarak of Syedi Fakhruddin Shaheed RA, Syedna Qutbuddin RA appointed Syedna Taher as his successor and granted him the laqab Fakhruddin. At that moment Maulana Qutbuddin advised the witnesses to keep the Nass confidential and gave the witnesses the handwritten letter of Nass.

The new Nass now has witnesses, and a document.

There have been multiple different Nusoos on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.

In 1388H, Syedna RA informed witnesses and prepared a "handwritten letter of Nass". Syedna RA "advised the witnesses to keep the Nass confidential".
In 1426H, London, Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA informed Shehzada Qaid Johar Bs, and Shehzada Malik al Ashtar Bs of this Nass. Syedna RA "advised the witnesses to keep the Nass confidential".
Syedna RA also gave Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS a "handwritten letter of Nass"

Enemies of Dawat throughout history have always aimed to copy the Haq ni Dawat, and form a parallel imitated system.
Although there can be no comparison with the Haq na Saheb's Nass - why is it that the Qutbi Bohras reject the Nass on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS, when the Qutbi Bohras are are basing Taher's claim on the exact same method? Why is one (according to the Qutbis) doubtful, and the other acceptable?
When a Nass letter was produced, the Qutbis said "Especially with today’s technology, it is not impossible to alter documents and recordings."

When the Shehzadas were made witnesses, the Qutbis said "On the other hand, sons of Nabis, Imams,
and Duat have often revolted and done fitnat and started firqas."

Why these double standards when this is the identical basis for Taher's claim! Isn't this actually how Nass should be conducted? Nass & Tawqeef.

It does seem that Taher's alleged Nass is more 'by the book' than KQ's. Since KQ's claim is baseless, Taher's doesn't hold any weight either.
During these troubled times, I request the Qutbi Bohras to reevaluate their position and understanding in relation to KQ's claim. They will realize it is baseless and against Fatemi tenets.

The only Nass & Tawqeef of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA - was on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.
May Allah TA grant him a long and healthy life. Ameen



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Unread post by Universaldad » Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:51 am

Saif53 wrote:FROM THE QUTBI BOHRA BLOG
http://qutbibohras.blogspot.com/2016/03 ... ouble.html
The New Qutbi Bohra Nass: Double Standards?
Khuzaima Qutbuddin expired on 31 March 2016.

In the "Na’ye" email sent by the Fatemi Dawat Website sent a few moments ago, it announced that KQ has appointed his eldest son, Taher as his successor.
Quoting their email:

Syedna Qutbuddin RA has left in our midst his successor, his Shehzada to whom Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA gave the name Taher, the Mubarak name of Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA. Syedna Qutbuddin RA personally prepared his beloved son and made him like him in knowledge and character. This year on the 27th of Muharram, the urus Mubarak of Syedi Fakhruddin Shaheed RA, Syedna Qutbuddin RA appointed Syedna Taher as his successor and granted him the laqab Fakhruddin. At that moment Maulana Qutbuddin advised the witnesses to keep the Nass confidential and gave the witnesses the handwritten letter of Nass.

The new Nass now has witnesses, and a document.

There have been multiple different Nusoos on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.

In 1388H, Syedna RA informed witnesses and prepared a "handwritten letter of Nass". Syedna RA "advised the witnesses to keep the Nass confidential".
In 1426H, London, Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA informed Shehzada Qaid Johar Bs, and Shehzada Malik al Ashtar Bs of this Nass. Syedna RA "advised the witnesses to keep the Nass confidential".
Syedna RA also gave Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS a "handwritten letter of Nass"

Enemies of Dawat throughout history have always aimed to copy the Haq ni Dawat, and form a parallel imitated system.
Although there can be no comparison with the Haq na Saheb's Nass - why is it that the Qutbi Bohras reject the Nass on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS, when the Qutbi Bohras are are basing Taher's claim on the exact same method? Why is one (according to the Qutbis) doubtful, and the other acceptable?
When a Nass letter was produced, the Qutbis said "Especially with today’s technology, it is not impossible to alter documents and recordings."

When the Shehzadas were made witnesses, the Qutbis said "On the other hand, sons of Nabis, Imams,
and Duat have often revolted and done fitnat and started firqas."

Why these double standards when this is the identical basis for Taher's claim! Isn't this actually how Nass should be conducted? Nass & Tawqeef.

It does seem that Taher's alleged Nass is more 'by the book' than KQ's. Since KQ's claim is baseless, Taher's doesn't hold any weight either.
During these troubled times, I request the Qutbi Bohras to reevaluate their position and understanding in relation to KQ's claim. They will realize it is baseless and against Fatemi tenets.

The only Nass & Tawqeef of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA - was on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.
May Allah TA grant him a long and healthy life. Ameen
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Why no response from the Munafakeens and Qutbis?



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Unread post by Aminullah » Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:03 am

universalfool,

I posted few educational qualities of 54th dai mutlaq STF in my above post, I am still waiting to see educational qualification of muddai mufaddal.

can you please post it?

MMS = Muddai Mufaddal Saifuddin



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Unread post by Universaldad » Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:16 am

Aminullah wrote:universalfool,

I posted few educational qualities of 54th dai mutlaq STF in my above post, I am still waiting to see educational qualification of muddai mufaddal.

can you please post it?

MMS = Muddai Mufaddal Saifuddin
So now educational qualities is your basis of choosing your Dai ? Shame on you!!! next you will ask for educational qualifications of Rasulullah SAW and Imams and Dua't mutlakeen.

TF (The F@#!) of KQ is the most disgusting person I have ever come across. The guy does not even have the basic decency of giving a burial to his father who is the reason for his sorry being that he calls life.

Shame on TF and you and your like!!



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Unread post by Aminullah » Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:20 am

Universaldad wrote:
Aminullah wrote:universalfool,

I posted few educational qualities of 54th dai mutlaq STF in my above post, I am still waiting to see educational qualification of muddai mufaddal.

can you please post it?

MMS = Muddai Mufaddal Saifuddin
So now educational qualities is your basis of choosing your Dai ? Shame on you!!! next you will ask for educational qualifications of Rasulullah SAW and Imams and Dua't mutlakeen.

TF (The F@#!) of KQ is the most disgusting person I have ever come across. The guy does not even have the basic decency of giving a burial to his father who is the reason for his sorry being that he calls life.

Shame on TF and you and your like!!
of course degrees dont make any one smarter, but would like to know what is MMS qualification in deeni and duniyawi fields.

or is it that he just masters in campaigning hatred towards mazoon of time and conspiracies?



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Unread post by Maqbool » Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:36 am

Universaldad wrote:
Saif53 wrote:FROM THE QUTBI BOHRA BLOG
http://qutbibohras.blogspot.com/2016/03 ... ouble.html
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Why no response from the Munafakeens and Qutbis?
wow! then one thing is clear that the blogger are not sure about the nuss on SMS. Otherwise why they have to clarify again and again. Believe what ever with full confidence. Your mind is suspicious is proven by your clarifying the matters again and again about nuss.



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Unread post by Universaldad » Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:43 am

Aminullah wrote:
Universaldad wrote:
So now educational qualities is your basis of choosing your Dai ? Shame on you!!! next you will ask for educational qualifications of Rasulullah SAW and Imams and Dua't mutlakeen.

TF (The F@#!) of KQ is the most disgusting person I have ever come across. The guy does not even have the basic decency of giving a burial to his father who is the reason for his sorry being that he calls life.

Shame on TF and you and your like!!
of course degrees dont make any one smarter, but would like to know what is MMS qualification in deeni and duniyawi fields.

or is it that he just masters in campaigning hatred towards mazoon of time and conspiracies?
Please wake WTF up to give him the news that he change his plans.... his father has lost his flimsy case. Fallen flat on their face.



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Unread post by Aminullah » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:28 am

Please wake WTF up to give him the news that he change his plans.... his father has lost his flimsy case. Fallen flat on their face.
your language and frustration shows how illiterate your master is....any luck to find his educational qualifications?



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Unread post by Universaldad » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:55 am

Aminullah wrote:
Please wake WTF up to give him the news that he change his plans.... his father has lost his flimsy case. Fallen flat on their face.
your language and frustration shows how illiterate your master is....any luck to find his educational qualifications?

Lol frustrated ! I am not. Happy and content I am, I have been and will continue to remain.

My Master is Allah, then his Nabi, his Imam, his dau't. They are qualified by Allah.

Your master is WTF and rotting KQ, who needed worldy qualifications.

GO AND BURY THE Rotting corpse of KQ!! its now almost 7 days!!!! why are you doing this to your erst while master. As a human being have some decency. SHAME ON YOU and WTF !!!



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Unread post by Aminullah » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:58 am

Universaldad wrote:
Aminullah wrote:
your language and frustration shows how illiterate your master is....any luck to find his educational qualifications?

Lol frustrated ! I am not. Happy and content I am, I have been and will continue to remain.

My Master is Allah, then his Nabi, his Imam, his dau't. They are qualified by Allah.

Your master is WTF and rotting KQ, who needed worldy qualifications.

GO AND BURY THE Rotting corpse of KQ!! its now almost 7 days!!!! why are you doing this to your erst while master. As a human being have some decency. SHAME ON YOU and WTF !!!
apart from abuse what else you have learn from your master MMS?

SKQ has left this world and I think those who are alive should think about the future and work towards haq. if mufaddali dont even know how qualified MMS is how they following him?

what is MMS qualifications?

MMS = muddai mufaddal saifuddin



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Unread post by Maqbool » Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:57 am

Universaldad wrote:
Aminullah wrote:

Your master is WTF and rotting KQ, who needed worldy qualifications.
Then why SMS is buying degrees.



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Unread post by Qadir » Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:48 pm

Maqbool wrote:
Universaldad wrote:
Then why SMS is buying degrees.
Buying degrees do not defy islamic laws.

But preserving/embalming corpse and delaying burial does go against islam. What did your Dai's shehzaadas and shehzaadis learned from the world's best Islamic institutes that they never came across this law of Islam.

If you dont believe in SMS please see this : http://www.fiqhcouncil.org/node/47

TF is defying each and every statement of this article about Islam.



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Unread post by ajamali » Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:10 pm

Qadir wrote:
Maqbool wrote:
Then why SMS is buying degrees.
Buying degrees do not defy islamic laws.

But preserving/embalming corpse and delaying burial does go against islam. What did your Dai's shehzaadas and shehzaadis learned from the world's best Islamic institutes that they never came across this law of Islam.

If you dont believe in SMS please see this : http://www.fiqhcouncil.org/node/47

TF is defying each and every statement of this article about Islam.
Not required to enbalm the body in order to transport it. And once again, what is it to YOU? Are you a member of the family or a follower? Did SKQ do wasihat to you that he wanted to be buried right away? STF is trying his best to fulfill his father's wishes. It is neither your business nor mine, how he does it.