Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics) - 2015

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Mkenya
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics) - 2015

#1111

Unread post by Mkenya » Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:24 pm

yfm wrote:
"Our beloved Mowla, No doubt for many 30,000 thousands years cycle to come".

Which Mowla are you referring to?
and
what is this about 30,000 years?



Al-Noor
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#1112

Unread post by Al-Noor » Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:50 am

Muffys dawat condition, the way every thing is locked in his adawat.



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alam
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#1113

Unread post by alam » Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:29 pm

As Received on WhatsApp:

Child custody Courts under Justice Sonak must take note of this vaaz for continued malignemnt of SKQ by SMS.

"SMS bayan on 2nd urus of SMB was elavated from status of blue-collar hate speech to White-collar hate-speech against Mazun-e-Dawat of SMB - Khozaima bhaisaheb qutbuddin. Carefully scripted speech writers from QJ and team orchestrated the following:

1. SMS did "shaabaashi, shabaash" to all those who came to Saifee Mahal for last deedar of SMB janaaza, and "shabaash, shabaash" to those who attended janaaza; wHo missed it and was not present during that time (SKQ) became obvious by the Age-old tactic of punishing behavior indirectly by lavishly rewarding its opposite. Soon after Muffy uttered "shabaash, shabaash", Qaid Johar BS immediately stood up and went to takhat; seeing this the rest of the majlis also stood up. Then QJ took the Microphone and led the mania of "Maula no shukr key hamey adnaa gulaam ney maula aap shabaash karo cho", drawing further attention to the shabaashi given to abdes. In reality, QJ was doing shabaash to SMS for accurately parroting off the the script he and his cronies wrote. (It should be known that QJ routinely wrote scripts even for SMB. This is a fact, not conjecture.)

2. A big chunk of the bayaan spoken by SMS (aka Muffy) was very similar to unholy crapology propounded in the QutbiBohra Blog. The writing styles, thought-processes, tools used to debunk SKQ claims were same. In this 2nd Urus vaaz, SMS very accurately parroted off the argument made in QutbiBohra blog.

3. SMS's reference to Moosa nabi dushmans throwing a net on a Saturday to lure the innocents was likened to SKQ's claim made on the Saturday after the wafaat. Similar line of conclusions through esoteric examples and numerology was used to debunk and deface SKQ claim. Very similar to qutbibohra blog style of arguments.

The hostility, demonization and disparagement was done at higher intellectual and subtle levels, thinking that the Custody court would never get a whiff of the in-fighting and destructive Alienation of the maternal grandfather SKQ that goes on by SMS on stage on takhat, even after the court reprimand by Justice MS Sonak. The entire vaaz from start to finish was highly orchestrated to sneak in insults, hostility and alienation, with a matching degree of lavish praise for those following SMS. Biggest shabaashi to Mufaddal Saifuddin leadership for hidden hostility, white-collar humiliation."





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#1116

Unread post by Shk Mohammed Yamani » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:38 pm

Dear Friends,

Please click https://youtu.be/L6X75Lt9XJQ and watch how Salam cover is being stolen

There is rampant stealing and corruption in among Syedna family and Kothar as a whole. Mufaddal Mola has taken various measures on revenue side such as collecting Wajebat through computerization and Jamat Id cards. I wonder why he is not making Bohra salaam cashless as his friend and Dolat ne Duniya’s guarantor દોલત ને દુનિયા ના ઝામિન Narendra Modi says.

All Bohras have bank accounts. Instead of cash, Bohras can salaam only by checks. Gallaa collection also can be done under camera.

However, Syedna is afraid that his income will be recorded and he could be in trouble with income tax department. As such, he proclaims to media, “Hubbul watan min al Eman” love of country is part of faith. But he himself does all illegal things; Bohras falsely call him masoom or kal massom meaning the immaculate and infallible.

I hope this video force Bohras to think about rampant bribery and stealing prevalent in Syedna circle. I have seen such stealing even by petty Mullahs throughout my life. In USA and Europe every member of freeloader QasreAali and many other Noorani-crooks have huge assets in relatives and in banks.

Why Bohras don’t give charity themselves to their own poor relatives. There is a great need for that. Giving money to Syedna is like playing cards of Satan.

कितने इमानदार हे मुल्ला जी 
दाहोद  (दबंग समाचार ) दाऊदी बोहरा समाज का हर व्यक्ति सैयदना साहब का अनुयायी हे । एवं उनके हर फरमान को समाज जन आत्मसात करते हे । ऐसे  फरमानो को आम जन तक पहुचाने के लिए आमिल साहबो की वैतनिक नियुक्तिया भी की हे । आमिल साहब को एक आधुनिक तकनीक युक्त कार्यालय के साथ आधुनिक सुविधा पुर्ण बंगला भी अलाट होता हे आमिल  अपने क्षेत्र का सर्वेसर्वा होकर सैयदना साहब के फरमान,  दिशा निर्देशो का अनुपालन करवाना भी उनके कार्य क्षेत्र का हिस्सा हे व धर्म ध्यान करवाना भी उनके कार्य क्षेत्र का हिस्सा हे समाज मे बेहतर व्यवस्था के लिए शहर मे समाज के ही सेवादारो को उनके द्वारा बेहतर समाज हितैषी कार्यो के लिए मुल्ला,  शैख NKD . MKD , इत्यादि अलंकारो से अलंकृत किया जाता हे  सैयदना साहब की मंशा पुर्ण पाक साफ होती हे एवं वे समाज कल्याण की योजनाओ को समाज मे ऐसे ही आमिल  , शैख , मुल्ला MKD , NKD  अलंकृत प्राप्त के माध्यम से शहर कस्बे गांव महानगर  इत्यादि मे लागू करवाते हे यही कारण हे कि समूची दुनिया मे सैयदना साहब को सत्य के उपासक के रूप मे पहचाना जाता हे  हमे भी उनकी किसी बात वचन मे कोई शंका नही हे किन्तु आमिल,  शैख , मुल्ला NKD MKD इत्यादि अलंकृत प्राप्तो पर हमे पहले भी यकीन नही था ओर आज भी नही हे हमने कुछ सेकंड की विडियो देख कर तो हमे ऐसे ढोंगी जो सैयदना साहब की सामाजिक प्रमाणित पोशाक पहन कर ऐसा कृत्य करते देखा तो मन विचलित हो गया ये वही लोग हे जो मस्जिदो मे तखतो पर बैठ कर किबले मे खडे होकर हमे ज्ञान बांटते हे । हमे इमानदारी का सबक सिखाते हे हमे सत्य की राह पर चलने का आव्हान करते हे हमे धन दोलत मोह माया से दुर रहने का सबक सुनाते हे झुठ बोलना पाप हे बेइमानी करना बडा गुनाह हे अमानत मे खयानत करने वालो को जितेजी किडे पडते हे कहने वाले खुद कितने बेइमान हे ये कितनी अमानत मे खयानत करते हे सोचने वाली बात यह है कि ये लोग  उस शख्स की अमानत मे खयानत कर रहे हे जो शख्स समाज मे ही नही वरण समूची दुनिया मे एक खास मुकाम पर हे जो न सिर्फ गरीबो का ख्याल करते हे बल्कि  अमिरो का भी उतना ही ध्यान रखते हे ऐसे साहब की अमानत याने समाज जनो का पैसा जो समाज जनो की दोलत की कैसे चोरी करते हे यह विडियो बता रहा हे स्मरण रहे सैयदना साहब किसी शख्स के यहा ज्याफत या अन्य किसी कार्यक्रम मे उपस्थित हे समाज जन उनको नजवा  ( गुरू दक्षिणा ) भेंट कर रहे हे ओर उनके पिछे या तो स्थानीय आमिल हे या कोई शैख या अन्य कोई  किस तरह सैयदना साहब के लिफाफे को चेक कर कितने शातिर तरिके से चोरी छिपे अपनी जेब के हवाले कर रहा हे  । ये साहब भुल गये की कैमरा युग मे आखे चार नही चालिस होती हे क्या यह साहब सैयदना साहब के लिफाफे की चोरी कार गुनहगार हे क्या इसे किडे पड़ेंगे ऐसे कई सवाल मेरे मन मष्तिष्क मेरे कोंध रहे हे अभी तक हम सोच रहे थे कि आमिल  मुल्ला शैख इमानदार होते हे ये अल्लाह वाले होते हे ये परेजगार होते हे किन्तु चोर होते हे यह पहली बार पता चला अब तो हमे क्या समाज मे कोई भी ऐसे रुतबे के लोगो पर यकीन नही करेगा कुछ सैकंड का विडियो जरूर देखे
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Abde Syedna

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Shk Mohammed Yamani
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#1117

Unread post by Shk Mohammed Yamani » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:00 pm

Big fraudsters of Dawoodi Bohra Jamaat

Dear friends,
Please click https://youtu.be/ivTIGpt4dw8 and listen to audio story of fireworks between Patnawala Bros Adnan & Burhan and Syednawala Bros Salman Bhaisaheb and Taha Bhaisaheb. When Kothar tried to put Patnawala brothers in a box, they both exploded. Kothar cannot do anything to them because it will expose Shezadas in bad light.
Following is the detail.
Two brothers, Adnan & Burhan are sons of Sk Hasan Patnawala who is known as Chagan. Just few years back both brothers were  ordinary Khimad-Guzar AKA Chamcha in Kothar. Both have cunning and sharp minds. They saw a big opportunity mining wealth from Kothar. Over years, they developed contacts with Shezadas and other freeloaders in Kothar. They started collecting money from Raiyyat and Kothari people in name of gold trading and real estate investment and called their company as Fakhri developers
Adnan has looted people on the name of gold trading and Burhan looted people on the name of real estate...Fakhri Developers Township. He represented himself as a partner of the company, however in reality he was just a broker, a Dalal. He lured Bohra investors and charged them his 10-15 percent commission. Thus he moved up and up.
So far they both have looted 30-35 crore or more...they should be in jail right now...and should be questioned by income tax before that...hope this message spreads so much...that both are behind bars by government officially...
All victims of their fraud are Bohras; and many of them khidmat-guzars of Dawat, the Chamcha and Chamchis
Bohras will be ashamed to know that many accomplices of Patna Bros. are greedy and get-rich-quick qasar e aali members. They are partners in crime with Patna Bros Company. Kothar make Bohras fool talking of Jannat after death, these brothers made Shezadas and Bhaisahebs fool showing them Jannat on this earth. શૂં બુરહાનુદ્દીન મોલા હાથ પકડી ને લઇ ગયા? Sahebo ne bhi potani vaato ma bholvavi dida beve ye. Kothar is not ready to take them to police, because it will expose the whole Badri Mahel in the scandal. So, it’s better Government takeup the case and put both of them behind bars. Both brothers also have a company called BURHANI COPPER CABLES PRIVATE LIMITED. https://business.indiafilings.com/burha ... te-limited  Check it online joi lo...google sab janta hein...arasur village coimbatore ma che company...they established this company on 18 feb 2016...exactly yej time par jivare logo si paisa loota patna bros ye..
With money of Bohras these cheap and cheat brothers own crores of property in Mumbai. Adnan Patnawala lives in a house in Mumbai which he can never afford by his Kothar salary. He uses Audi car..
Burhan bought a new house in Nagpur, opened a hardware shop in Nagpur, bought a new house in Patna, 2 flats in Surat, 1 flat in Bhestan Surat, 2 flats in Mumbai. Kothar proved to be treasure of 40 thieves. Within 10 years they amassed so much wealth what Alibaba did in the story story. aje kothar na ghana khidmat guzaro pase potana flats nathi mumbai ma j varso si khidmat kari rahya che...and aa beve bhaiyo 10 years ma itnu big empire ubhu kari didu...its but obvious k kaha si kaalo dhan ayo che...
Burhan left talim khidmat becoz he couldnt concentrate on khidmat while he was busy in cheating people...
Adnan still moves with a high life style in Mumbai, works in Kothar...although he should be thrown out of not only Kothar but from khidmat also...
Dawat na upar aib lagave che aa logo...Moula na khidmat guzaro ne badnaam kare che...ek gando ગંદો example create kare che...becoz of such jerks people dont trust khidmat guzar then...
Shz Hussain bs and Salman bs and a few ummal are handling Burhan’s case in Nagpur and in Mumbai...hope koi natijo ave...
Beve bhaiyo aa loot na paisa si aish o aram kari rahya che...foreign ni safaro kare che...ziafato ape che...ane mumeneen roi rahya che..
Adnan patna ye to mumeneen si paisa lai ne Hindu ne api dida...shares buy kara...haram nu amal lidu...viyaj khai che...shariat na khilaf haram nu vepar kare che beve bhaiyo...
Ye logo ne khamyazo to uthavoj parse dunya akherat ma but ehna sabab si bija logo ne sukam takleef poche...
Moula faislo farmave...ye beve potanu saglu veche..bhale rasta par avi jai...but mumeneen si j paiso lido che ye pacho kare...qasr na sahebo bhi aa amal ma madad kare em guzarish che...
Plz dont think that this is a false whatsapp msg or just a whatsapp forward...har ek vaat sachi che...proof che...koi ne bharoso na avto hoi to ummal ne puche...Shaikh  Gulamabbas.. Shaikh  Juzer j beve Australia amalat par jase...Salman Bhaisaheb knows...many khidmat guzars from dawat...Nagpur na almost raiso ne Jamat na aayaan ne khabar che...
The reason behind spreading this msg is that bija koi Bohra aa Patnawala Bros. ni vaato ma na ave...as they are still going on n on n on fooling ppl...Bohra na aib ne satar karva joiye but these 2 are criminals...name sake Bohra..haram no vepar kare che...je logo sathe vepar karvu gair jaiz...chhe.
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Saif53
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#1118

Unread post by Saif53 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:53 pm

[FROM THE QUTBI BOHRA BLOG]
http://qutbibohras.blogspot.com/2017/02/insurance.html

Insurance

(Source material provided by a viewer)
The latest Qutbi Bohra propaganda aims to legitimize insurance. They claim it is an "indispensable and pervasive part of modern life", halaal, allowed, needed, and argue "against those who say it is not needed".

In their latest Sijill, they compare insurance to "employing security or watchmen", "locking our cars", "keeping our valuables in a safe" and equate it company warranties. They also claim that it was disallowed solely because of a riba element.

Their justification for insurance has no grounds whatsoever. Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA, in his 1337H Risala Shareefah (page 50) cites Syedna Mohammed Ezzuddin's RA bayaan in which He has referred to weemo (insurance) as an act which is in violation of Shariat - and counsels mumineen to take out nuzoor instead.

Instead of refuting each point, I have chosen to simply cite bayaans of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA. This will clarify Syedna's RA position on the topic of insurance - in which there is absolutely no room for misinterpretation or reconsideration.

In these bayaans, Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA affirms that there is no need (dharoorah) for insurance and counsels to take out Nazrul Maqaam AS instead. He also clearly establishes that insurance (weemo) is haraam and ghayr jaaiz (impermissible) - and mentions it alongside alchohol and tobacco.

Chehlam 1432 H

Shahadat Imam Hasan 1429 H




An audio of the above bayaan is provided here:


The Qutbi Bohra leadership preys on the ignorance of their followers - leading them astray, praying they will never know the truth.

After the reading and listening to the above bayaans, if any of the Qutbi Bohra followers claim to revere Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA as the 52nd Dai Mutlaq, then it should be crystal clear to them that the Qutbi Bohra belief is at complete odds with Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin's RA dawat. The Qutbi devotees are being lied to by the Qutbuddin leadership.

Can there be any more clarity?

As the Quran states:

*إِنَّ فِي ذَٰلِكَ لَذِكْرَىٰ لِمَن كَانَ لَهُ قَلْبٌ أَوْ أَلْقَى السَّمْعَ وَهُوَ شَهِيدٌ*
[50:37]Verily in this is a message (zikra) for whoever has a heart or who gives ear and earnestly witnesses (the truth).



Biradar
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#1119

Unread post by Biradar » Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:26 pm

Just a point: the "insurance" which SMB mentioned in his bayaan does not exist. He says that insurance compensates for loss in business. That is not how most insurance works. Loss in business is not covered by insurance. You can't buy insurance saying that you will make a crappy product, and then the loss you make will be paid off by insurance. No insurance can save you from your own stupidity. If that was true no one would ever suffer the consequences of bad business ideas. Saif53, as usual is blowing hot air about something he does not understand.

Insurance in the modern sense of the words protects one from sudden and unexpected events. You buy insurance, paying into it regularly. It works because the assumption is that unexpected things do not happen too often (obviously) and the pool of people paying into the insurance are enough to cover the few unexpected things that happen.

BTW, SMB also said that if you take du'a of da'i then you will never suffer loss in business. One needs to square this statement with the huge losses STS's businesses took in all the industries his kids established, but failed to produce a dime of profit. Perhaps they took insurance and not their father's du'a.



dal-chaval-palidu
Posts: 471
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#1120

Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:26 am

Biradar wrote:Just a point: the "insurance" which SMB mentioned in his bayaan does not exist. He says that insurance compensates for loss in business. That is not how most insurance works. Loss in business is not covered by insurance. You can't buy insurance saying that you will make a crappy product, and then the loss you make will be paid off by insurance. No insurance can save you from your own stupidity. If that was true no one would ever suffer the consequences of bad business ideas. Saif53, as usual is blowing hot air about something he does not understand.

Insurance in the modern sense of the words protects one from sudden and unexpected events. You buy insurance, paying into it regularly. It works because the assumption is that unexpected things do not happen too often (obviously) and the pool of people paying into the insurance are enough to cover the few unexpected things that happen.

BTW, SMB also said that if you take du'a of da'i then you will never suffer loss in business. One needs to square this statement with the huge losses STS's businesses took in all the industries his kids established, but failed to produce a dime of profit. Perhaps they took insurance and not their father's du'a.
bhai Biradar,

I was not aware of the businesses. Can you provide some details? Like which kids of STS and what businesses they did, etc.



allbird
Posts: 405
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#1121

Unread post by allbird » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:30 am

dal-chaval-palidu wrote:
Biradar wrote:Just a point: the "insurance" which SMB mentioned in his bayaan does not exist. He says that insurance compensates for loss in business. That is not how most insurance works. Loss in business is not covered by insurance. You can't buy insurance saying that you will make a crappy product, and then the loss you make will be paid off by insurance. No insurance can save you from your own stupidity. If that was true no one would ever suffer the consequences of bad business ideas. Saif53, as usual is blowing hot air about something he does not understand.

Insurance in the modern sense of the words protects one from sudden and unexpected events. You buy insurance, paying into it regularly. It works because the assumption is that unexpected things do not happen too often (obviously) and the pool of people paying into the insurance are enough to cover the few unexpected things that happen.

BTW, SMB also said that if you take du'a of da'i then you will never suffer loss in business. One needs to square this statement with the huge losses STS's businesses took in all the industries his kids established, but failed to produce a dime of profit. Perhaps they took insurance and not their father's du'a.
bhai Biradar,

I was not aware of the businesses. Can you provide some details? Like which kids of STS and what businesses they did, etc.

Yusuf Najmuddin - Buying properties in Egypt and around India. Hotel Ambassador marine Lines.
Malik ul Aster - Land properties in North America and develops, sells them inflated prices.
Qiad Johar - Mainly financial controlling swish Banks, Bank de Paris, isle of Mann bank's, Middle East bank. Money Laundering


................... Please add to list if anyone know more............



Reporter
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#1122

Unread post by Reporter » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:15 am

Do not go to the police with complaints. Let jamat solve your problems. - Muffadal Maula


youtu.be/hjZj1cUudz4



I Rizwan
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#1123

Unread post by I Rizwan » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:24 am

what was the reason for ladai? and which city?



Shafakat
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#1124

Unread post by Shafakat » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:51 am

Asia Electric was one of the business Kothar took a loss and sold it back in the 70s



Shk Mohammed Yamani
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#1125

Unread post by Shk Mohammed Yamani » Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:32 am

allbird wrote:
dal-chaval-palidu wrote:
bhai Biradar,

I was not aware of the businesses. Can you provide some details? Like which kids of STS and what businesses they did, etc.

Yusuf Najmuddin - Buying properties in Egypt and around India. Hotel Ambassador marine Lines.
Malik ul Aster - Land properties in North America and develops, sells them inflated prices.
Qiad Johar - Mainly financial controlling swish Banks, Bank de Paris, isle of Mann bank's, Middle East bank. Money Laundering


................... Please add to list if anyone know more............
"PRINCE" Qusai (kasaai) Vajiuddin, tycoon of Commercial and industrial properties in and around London and all the way to Birmingham, Bradford, Manchester and Scotland.
This shaz zarda owns more commercial properties than he's ugly Gunda brother Idris Badruddin, whose son is a divorced wife beater.
This SHA ZARDA Idris Badruddin has many apattments in UAE especially in Dubai and Ajman
QJ BS beats them all, infact he puts Bill Gates to shame when it comes to ripping Moominin off their hard earned income, this devil has eyes of shaitaan, one looses their sences the minute one looks into Devil QJ BS eyes.



objectiveobserver53
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#1126

Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:19 am

Shafakat wrote:Asia Electric was one of the business Kothar took a loss and sold it back in the 70s
Asian Dehydrates was another. Financed by a bank loan. Run to the ground by an incompetent and corrupt son of STS.



Biradar
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#1127

Unread post by Biradar » Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:30 am

Thanks everyone for listing various failed businesses started by the Iblisi family. My goal was not to make a list, but to point out the fundamental hypocrisy and double standards at play. Insurance is a fact of life. It is needed to survive and prosper in the modern world. Kothari Mafia and their Iblisi overlords take insurance all the time. Ask any so-called bhaisaheb in the US if he has car insurance. He does, and probably the best one other people's money can buy.

Further, the fake-news I wanted to debunk was the second part of SMB's bayaan which the brown-noser Saif53 posted above. I.e. if one takes du'a of dai there can't be any loss in business. Obviously, this is absurd. It sounds good, but the reality is that the da'is themselves have had major ups and downs throughout history and many ventures started by those who took du'a have failed. SMB was being pious. Yes, it is good to take da'i's dua, but one must tie one's camel. Or one risks the camel being stolen. Dua or no dua.

Religion is a means for improving a person's morals. Sadly, what we see is that the Kothari Mafia and the Iblisi Toli are on the opposite side of morals. They lie, cheat, steal, torture and hoard. Yet, they have the cheek to tell us what to do! Shame on them and people like Saif53 who spend all their time on their knees, tongues out, licking every passing Shehzada's backside vigorously. Sad, really, to see grown men reduced to such spineless worms.



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Unread post by SBM » Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:44 am

if one takes du'a of dai there can't be any loss in business. Obviously, this is absurd. It sounds good,
Welcome Biradar
Unfortunately some die hard take this quote literally. Even in Medical field, doctors have now concluded the spirituality plays an important role but that does not diminish the role of medicine, it has to be complementing each other and not competing.
https://depts.washington.edu/bioethx/topics/spirit.html
Bohras and even many Muslims have taken the role of Dua as substitution of Insurances instead of complementing. Success of business needs both hard work and the prayers (doesnot matter whose prayers, but Dais want to play their hand in that mix)
Dai may have just mentioned to take Dua and people like Saif53 decided to just use that literally/



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#1129

Unread post by allbird » Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:15 am

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Moiz_Dhaanu
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#1130

Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:58 pm

• Any Claimant who claims to be leader of a shia community and does nothing when his followers elevate him to a pedestal more than imam husain, cannot be dai (Lacewala episode in Houston ashara)
• Any Claimant who disrespects imam husain by coming down of his Takht during ashara waez just to give such selfies cannot be a dai
• Any Claimant who orders to make your women accept the slavery of male dominance cannot be dai (Just compare the teaching of the prophet(sw) around women and compare it with his and you will realise)
• Any Claimant who prides himself to be called grandfather of children who are brainwashed to send curses to their own mother in ashura majlis cannot be dai.
• Any Claimant who refuses to acknowledge basic human decency over religious fanaticism cannot be Dai (does not allow son to visit his fathers grave) SKQ was implicitly barred from visiting raudat tahera
• Any Claimant who acknowledges and also preaches his folowers the notion of Zaahir Baatin (that too when there is no mention of it in any Dawat kitaab) cannot be a Dai.
• Any Claimant who looses his temper frequently and has no control over his rage cannot be a Dai.
• Any Claimant under whose provocation, his followers celebrate, by dancing and merrymaking the death of a human (albeit even his enemy) cannot be Dai
• Any Claimant who lacks basic human etiquette of sobriety by celebrating his deceased father's milad within his first year of death cannot be Dai. (The first milad of Burhanuddin mola(RA) was celebrated with same pomp and women all over were told to put mehndi even though not even 1 full year had passed after his death).
If you ask any of your ancestors still alive they will tell you, that we, bohras even did not do marriage in our household for one year, if an elder had passed away, and here we are talking about a Dai's death.

• Any claimant whose official stance under oath in Court is that dawoodi bohra doctrine believe that imam can do nass on his brother's son cannot be Dai..and why do i say so..
Once Imam Jafer-us-sadiq(SW) was asked by one mumin , that how dose one recognise true imam , he answered for a person to be imam, 3 things should satisfy for him ,
1)his father should be imam-ul-Haq
2)his son should be imam-ul_haq
3) he should be in progeny of Ali and Fatema
now according to DMBS (which his lawyer stated in Bombay high Court) an Imam can do nass on his brother's son…if that is the case , then based on point2) of imam Jafer (sw) ,then he himself is not the imam-ul haq.
This shows that this impostor can stoop to any level of lie to win a case. he can even negate imam jafer-us-sadiq , and you still want to believe in him as Dai.


There are many such other heinous attributes of DMBS which can be listed . Alas people like Saif53 have no clue that even if one is true mumin , character will be judged first when one meets his maker.

To all ppl with some rationale still prevailing, but are following the Claimant DMBS, i ask you to go over the above and ask a simple question to urself
If you believe in the Infallibility of Imam, how can u expect the Imam to provide you with such a person as your Dai(who i believe is an impostor) who lacks even basic Human traits for character.

DMBS=Dawedaar Mufaddal Bhai Saheb
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I Rizwan
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#1131

Unread post by I Rizwan » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:00 am

well lets talk about Burhanuddin.

1) he categorized people based on their financial situations and gave them red/green and yellow cards (safai chitthi) was he Dai?

2) he sold religious titles of sheikh/mullah/ NKD for money, even many criminals got these tiles paying money to him, was he Dai?

3) he grabbed properties of many momeenin and then put his own name on those properties, was he dai?

4) he took millions of dollars in the name of making zarih e fatema, nothing has come up yet, was he dai?

5) he gathered expensive watches+cars+shoes in his life time and finally died in bad situation, was he Dai?

6) he killed innocent animals in Africa, and he paid all these money from community coffer, was he Dai?

7) he created big mausoleums for his own father and all money was paid by community, was he Dai?

8 ) he cared more about his own family and left community confused about his successors, he intentionally delayed NASS to finally make his idiot son dai, was he DAI?

9) he took millions in salaam to give raza for Masjid and Markaz inauguration, was he Dai?

10) his whole family is living lavishly on community expense, was he Dai?


.....lot more can be written but these should be enough for now. :wink: :wink: :wink:



Moiz_Dhaanu
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#1132

Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:48 am

Alvazarat wrote:
Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:12 am
This is the email message from alvazarat .. I thought of asking a few Q's

Awliyaullah (AS) have always taught Mumineen that keeping Dawat’s information confidential is a part of our faith.
Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin (TUS) states that:

The knowledge imparted by Awliyah Kiram (AS) to Mumineen in waaz, sabaq etc. is exclusive to Mumineen. Some part of this knowledge which is permitted by Awliyah Kiram (AS) can be revealed to others. But the parts that are not permitted, that contain secrets of Dawat, should never be revealed to anyone as it is a great sin.
In the light of this bayaan, it is strictly conveyed that:

1. The programs of Huzurala (TUS),
2. Any photos, audios or videos of the same,
3. Confidential Dawat matters, bayaans or asbaaq,
4. Any matter related to Moula (TUS), Dawat or Mumineen,
SHOULD NEVER IN ANY FORM, BE REVEALED, BROADCASTED OR FORWARDED AS IT IS UNETHICAL TO DO SO.

Some people with nefarious intentions, make use of social media (Whatsapp, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter etc.) to spread false news/information citing Moulana (TUS) or referencing Alvazarat us Saifiyah or other similar sources.

I am sure everybody in the western hemisphere got email,last year, from their local jamaats (signed by aamils) that “love your country and abide by their laws and that khafd(FMG) was not allowed” and so on… well that was official right.??
And then, Claimant in the next gathering in India ,shouted on top of his lungs against these governments of foreign countries and their interference in the dawat’s affair and how he did not give a damn and will continue to do the ritual ..
My question is ,How come no official release came for that bayan from al-vazarat? Do mumineen not have the right to know as to what their Claimant Dai says ?
:wink:
Why keep them in the dark? why wait for them to get the conflicting farmaan via relatives?
Alvazarat wrote:
Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:12 am
This false information causes confusion amongst Mumineen and wastes their time in unnecessary things.


Did this dichotomy of DMBS dawat (of 2 conflicting farmaans) not confuse the gullible mumineen enough?
On one side the aamils (to save their skin) sent out emails/letters saying one thing and the claimant said the exact opposite.
Guess what? these kind of conflicting statements from one single administration has happened before too, and that was during the times of Umar. (thought to be pondered)

Alvazarat wrote:
Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:12 am
Thus, anyone receiving such unauthenticated messages should not forward them to anyone. They should also reprimand the sender and ask him/her to not send such messages in the future.

Any messages related to Moula’s (TUS) programs or news will be conveyed to Mumineen by Alvazarat us Saifiyah through ITS52 or Janab Aamil Saheb of their respective mauze. Only messages received through either of these two sources should be considered authentic and followed accordingly. Any message or news being circulated from other sources should be discarded immediately and not be forwarded.

Similarly, farman and misaal received from Alvazarat us Saifiyah should never be forwarded to anyone other than the person who is supposed to receive it.
Haq is haq, no matter what source it comes from(just like moulaya Raj did wearing a “Fakiri nu kurtu”), and it shines brightest in the face of adversity and falsehood.
All mumin believe and know this from the bottom of their heart. This was basic lesson given by all imams and duats.
If Kothar truly believed that whatever DMBS says is Haq ni waat, then what are they afraid of?
Here we have a claimant and his aadivaasi(Tribal) administration “kothar” telling us exactly the opposite..”Please do not send out Haq ni waat”
I guess that only means one thing ,DMBS does not say Haq ni waat….or else what has Haq to be afraid of. Its not like people are sending out “Taweel and Haqiqat na bayaan” on whatsapp.
Again I would like to appeal to all my fellow mumin who have a rationale thought but are confused...search your intellect and find the truth.
Haq na dai calls out for dawat on basis of intellect and rationale and logic ..Impostors,on the other hand, do dawat by farmaans and diktats.
DMBS = Dawedaar Mufaddal Bhai Saheb



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#1133

Unread post by I Rizwan » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:11 am

I am sure everybody in the western hemisphere got email,last year, from their local jamaats (signed by aamils) that “love your country and abide by their laws and that khafd(FMG) was not allowed” and so on… well that was official right.??
And then, Claimant in the next gathering in India ,shouted on top of his lungs against these governments of foreign countries and their interference in the dawat’s affair and how he did not give a damn and will continue to do the ritual ..
My question is ,How come no official release came for that bayan from al-vazarat? Do mumineen not have the right to know as to what their Claimant Dai says ? :wink:



as I said taheri ghetas are much more poisonous than mufaddalis, till now khasfh-khatna was all okay, but now suddenly it is a big issue for them, they forget to understand that their leader supported all these practices for 50+ years.

thodi to sharm karo naa layako....jhuto bolwa pehla thodi to sharm karo.



Moiz_Dhaanu
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#1134

Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:53 am

@rizwan
I think all the people, for who my messages are intended for , understood what I was pointing /hinting towards..
Any information you may need about Fatemi Dawat's stand on it, you may find it on their official statement Provided to the media outlets by them some time back.
The important thing above was to show that unlike DMBS administration , Fatemi dawat do not have 2 opposite ideologies/farmaans(depending on who the audience is) regarding important aspects of dawoodi bohra Doctrine..hope u have great year ahead



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#1135

Unread post by Crater Lake » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:00 am

I Rizwan wrote:
Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:11 am
I am sure everybody in the western hemisphere got email,last year, from their local jamaats (signed by aamils) that “love your country and abide by their laws and that khafd(FMG) was not allowed” and so on… well that was official right.??
And then, Claimant in the next gathering in India ,shouted on top of his lungs against these governments of foreign countries and their interference in the dawat’s affair and how he did not give a damn and will continue to do the ritual ..
My question is ,How come no official release came for that bayan from al-vazarat? Do mumineen not have the right to know as to what their Claimant Dai says ? :wink:



as I said taheri ghetas are much more poisonous than mufaddalis, till now khasfh-khatna was all okay, but now suddenly it is a big issue for them, they forget to understand that their leader supported all these practices for 50+ years.

thodi to sharm karo naa layako....jhuto bolwa pehla thodi to sharm karo.
Rizzy let me try and explain FD stand on Khafz since you have been hemming and hawing on this topic for a while.

1) STF is enabling those women who want to avail of Khafz, to access the procedure legally after attaining adulthood. The Sahifa written during Burhanuddin Moula's zaman only instructs that girls be more than seven years old. So STF's instruction complies with that. Compare to MS who banned it on the one hand via jamaat letters and encouraged it on the other through his rant from the takhat.
2)STF is denouncing FGM in all forms particularly the very severe African versions. The practice of Khafz too has been severely corrupted and in moving it away from children and backrooms into the hands of adult women and their physicians, STF has at once removed the shroud of mystery and disinformation around the practice. His statement helps women who were Burhanuddin Moula's followers. He is not going against him in any way by making this statement. Rather he is clearing the corruption of the practice that is Rasulullah's sunnah.

So to be quite clear, STF is not going against Tradition but rather placing it in the right context of sunnah and enabling those who wish to practice it to access it. In fact he is upholding tradition and the law at the same time. MS would rather have women break the law secretly while keeping his jamaats safe by issuing fake letters. Capish?

Do try to read the statement before going all crazy...No one in Fatemi Dawat is confused. We all know exactly where STF stands and we are under no illusion that it is against Burhanuddin Moula in anyway.



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#1136

Unread post by I Rizwan » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:30 am

it is all the same which was practiced from last hundreds of years, even mufaddalis are not confused about it.

its just that now things are coming up in media and people are talking about it.



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#1137

Unread post by kimanumanu » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:50 am

I Rizwan wrote:
Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:30 am
it is all the same which was practiced from last hundreds of years, even mufaddalis are not confused about it.

its just that now things are coming up in media and people are talking about it.
Who said there is confusion? The confusion is what SMS created by his hypocrisy. Making official statements via jamaats saying one thing, and completely the opposite in his waaz. Of course, the dumb sheep will lap up everything and continue in their utopian bliss. In a way the same as you have cast in your mind that everything dawat related is corrupt.



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#1138

Unread post by ajamali » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:24 am

I Rizwan wrote:
Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:30 am
it is all the same which was practiced from last hundreds of years, even mufaddalis are not confused about it.

its just that now things are coming up in media and people are talking about it.
Yes sir. The practice has been corrupted for hundreds of years. It was time to put an end to the misery of Bohra women AND stop them from breaking the law for their daughters. Thousands of Mufaddali women, even religious ones, have signed a petition end the practice. It was clearly hurting women. I am not sure why you are so concerned about this practice and that it is going against tradition of previous duat. You are neither a woman nor do you care about other duat so who are you kidding??!!



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#1139

Unread post by ajamali » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:40 am

O-h m-y g-o-o-d-n-e-s-s!!!! Can you believe these lying morons. Declaring victory in the court case!
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#1140

Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:11 am

ajamali wrote:
Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:40 am
O-h m-y g-o-o-d-n-e-s-s!!!! Can you believe these lying morons. Declaring victory in the court case!
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This is from 2016 AJ, when they thought they had won the court case because SKQ passed away and they had burned his effigy to celebrate. Morons nevertheless! I just realized that the grand presentation was done by the philandering Mustafa Abdulhusein. What a bunch of low lifes MS has collected in his inner circle!