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Zainab adamjee
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#1

Unread post by Zainab adamjee » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:03 am

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ajamali
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#2

Unread post by ajamali » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:32 am

What a bunch of mumbo jumbo. The question here is not squatting vs sitting, the question is force vs free-will. If you need to force your people to squat, it tells me that there is a problem with your leadership style. What next? Are people going to be forced to give up their dinng tables? Alien to our culture! Forced to give up Ridas? Alien to our culture! After all moulatona Fatema wore a chadar...You see where one can go with this sort of half baked reasoning?

Also the squatting vs. sitting issue has long been resolved! Hybrid toilets and squatty potties have been around for decades. This campaign seems to be about something else altogether... A diversion to draw attention away from the court case perhaps.....



objectiveobserver53
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#3

Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:12 am

Let’s not forget forcing people to serve only one kharas one Mithaas. Sucking the joy out of life...



Bohra spring
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#4

Unread post by Bohra spring » Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:25 am

objectiveobserver53 wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:12 am
Let’s not forget forcing people to serve only one kharas one Mithaas. Sucking the joy out of life...
If abdes stuck to one kharas and avoided wedding feasts there would be no need for defacting like apes there can not be more natural style as chimpanzees do as the writer advises. What does SMS intend we start living in medieval times.

The semi literate Jamia Taliban from West educated to high school and attend Jamia to be brainwashed slaves have done literary defacation by regurgitation an ass boggling brain dump from SMS into a long winded mumbo jumbo.

How disgraceful and blasphemous to mix the words like referencing the respected Prophet to make it convincing. I am yet to find any reference that any hadith describing squat toilets. When related to Muslim they were upset that Bohras would discuss the Prophet SAW in such useless discussion. Bohras need to tread carefully on such references. There is difference between Shariat and Fiqh.

The referencing to hadith referrals are for cleansing, covering private parts, and splashing. That's the only reason to squat. If this Jamia fools researched in early Islamic years there were no Indian toilets.people defecated in bushes and used stones and water to clean. So please don't drag the Prophet and early family to defend your stupid satanic dreams. Read facts.

The reference "Syedna T.U.S glowing smile, his majestic and magical appearance , his athletic tread, his endless energy makes everybody kneel before Him in awe" what stupidity and human worship. This Sharuk Khan celebrity of Bohra is now a celebrity.

For medical benefits please provide more credible facts.
Although squatting may be helpful for people with chronic constipation, it's no panacea.

Other factors, such as diet, exercise, medications and fluid intake, can affect the frequency and consistency of bowel motions.

Some people naturally take a bit longer to go to the toilet because of a condition called 'slow transit constipation', which squatting is unlikely to alleviate.

The benefits of squatting – and harms of sitting – are at times overstated.

There's no firm evidence to suggest, for instance, that squatting can prevent or cure haemorrhoids.

And although it's an intriguing concept, there is no firm data that the sitting position causes colonic diverticulosis - pouches in the wall of the colon.

Nor is there evidence to suggest the sitting position leads to a greater risk of developing colon cancer.

Squatting to go to the toilet isn't free from risks. It has been shown to induce a small rise in blood pressure in both healthy and hypertensive patients.

Some strokes have been found to occur during squatting and defecation.



momeenbhai
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#5

Unread post by momeenbhai » Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:27 am

ajamali wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:32 am
What a bunch of mumbo jumbo. The question here is not squatting vs sitting, the question is force vs free-will. If you need to force your people to squat, it tells me that there is a problem with your leadership style. What next? Are people going to be forced to give up their dinng tables? Alien to our culture! Forced to give up Ridas? Alien to our culture! After all moulatona Fatema wore a chadar...You see where one can go with this sort of half baked reasoning?

Also the squatting vs. sitting issue has long been resolved! Hybrid toilets and squatty potties have been around for decades. This campaign seems to be about something else altogether... A diversion to draw attention away from the court case perhaps.....
what court case you idiot?

most bohra dont even care about the court case because most are smart enough to know nothing will change with that court case. only Taher and his little team is sitting in black hole of thane and expecting some miracle to happen from court case. :lol:

btw Indian style toilets are beneficial for people and I am glad people are asked to adopt it.

some times even governments have to take such steps to bring people in uniformity.

recent note ban and GST is examples for Indians.



SBM
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#6

Unread post by SBM » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:21 am

recent note ban and GST is examples for Indians.
Momeenbhai, Exactly what do you do in Australia because your above reference has nothing to do with Bohras Sh-ting. One has to do with economical reform and other has to do with Tyrannical power.



Ozdundee
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#7

Unread post by Ozdundee » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:43 am

SBM wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:21 am
recent note ban and GST is examples for Indians.
Momeenbhai, Exactly what do you do in Australia because your above reference has nothing to do with Bohras Sh-ting. One has to do with economical reform and other has to do with Tyrannical power.
Momeenbhai this is OzD please don't defend the undefendable. If you have joined to give a different image of Australia that it is proSMS please read.

Mark these words SMS is not welcome down under and so are his fatwas are meaningless and he can stuff it for squat .

His fake Shariat is not welcome as much as his FGM Shariat. If SMS wants Bohras to have India toilets communal weddings people dependent on Tiffin dressed like talibans kids sent off to Jamia camps they have zero non Bohra association no body can visit their homes they only visit ziarats and become chained to Dawaat. That is the great big plan the disguise of drip feeding this Shariat bullshit to take the community to stone age and make them vierdos for eternal servitude.

As long as there is breath in a few good reformists he will not be successful check it USA Canada Britain also. I seriously think you should reflect you came here you were not forced or come to increase Bohra population in the west. If you dont like this free lifestyle consider to give up your residency or citizenship to a more deserving migrant. If you like squat so be it. But let your Jamia ustads who send you messages know we are watching and listening
don't even try forcing anyone or visit homes don't cross the line. This applies to Melb and Syd too.

But send this message do arzi if you must warm them of dangerous Australia. Remind them they would not want another court scandal.
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objectiveobserver53
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#8

Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:48 am

momeenbhai wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:27 am
ajamali wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:32 am
What a bunch of mumbo jumbo. The question here is not squatting vs sitting, the question is force vs free-will. If you need to force your people to squat, it tells me that there is a problem with your leadership style. What next? Are people going to be forced to give up their dinng tables? Alien to our culture! Forced to give up Ridas? Alien to our culture! After all moulatona Fatema wore a chadar...You see where one can go with this sort of half baked reasoning?

Also the squatting vs. sitting issue has long been resolved! Hybrid toilets and squatty potties have been around for decades. This campaign seems to be about something else altogether... A diversion to draw attention away from the court case perhaps.....
what court case you idiot?

most bohra dont even care about the court case because most are smart enough to know nothing will change with that court case. only Taher and his little team is sitting in black hole of thane and expecting some miracle to happen from court case. :lol:

btw Indian style toilets are beneficial for people and I am glad people are asked to adopt it.

some times even governments have to take such steps to bring people in uniformity.

recent note ban and GST is examples for Indians.
I see that in your eagerness to call AJ an idiot you forgot to address his point.... since a dining table and a Rida are alien to our culture (Moulatena Fatema wore a Chadar) it is a half baked idea that you are trying to implement.. To be consistent, are you going to ban those too? Also, many people have willingly adopted squatting by using squatty potties, they have not had to go around breaking people’s toilets. Why does your leader need to force it on people?
لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِى الدِّينِ
Does he skip that line in the Quran when he reads it?

Also I am not from Thane and I travel to many places and mingle with all kinds of Bohras and the court case comes up every single time. So perhaps in your MS-loving bubble you have forgotten about it but in the broader community - it is still discussed heatedly.



SBM
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#9

Unread post by SBM » Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:51 pm

Momeenbhai
Since you brought Shariat and life of Prophet Mohammed SAW, so let me ask, where is Shariat, did Burharni Goondas oops Guards come?
Did anyone allowed Non Mehrem Female to kiss feet and hands? Did any of the progeny of Prophet and our Imam Moula Ali lived in Mahal? did they get Najwas? Did they ride Mercedes and Silver Horse Buggies? Who did CHAMAR services on them?
And so it continues?



objectiveobserver53
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#10

Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:45 pm

Ha ha ha....it appears Zainab Adamjee is so ashamed of her post she has removed it.



SBM
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#11

Unread post by SBM » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:30 pm

objectiveobserver53 wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:45 pm
Ha ha ha....it appears Zainab Adamjee is so ashamed of her post she has removed it.
Or she was asked by Kothari Mafia to remove it as they monitor this forum and she did not have Raza or may be she is going to be reprimended for visiting this site



Ozdundee
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#12

Unread post by Ozdundee » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:35 am

Oops were we to hard on these matters ..pulled the stumps and walked away.