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Moiz_Dhaanu
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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:53 pm

Qadir wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:02 am Wow, I don’t think you are someone in a higher position in dawat or near to shz Malik-ul Ashtar but what you have forwarded here is considered a crime under sharia.
DMBS followers have lost the path of true sharia long time back, so lecturing on it is a farce and joke in it self.
Qadir wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:02 am ..He has never did anything against raza as far as i know and considering i am closer to him than any other person here probably I should be considered credible.
Yeah right !! and we have your word against so many videos and pictures on the web floating around...lol
Qadir wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:02 am Whoever wrote this message originally is not really a true supporter of Aaliqadr Moula.
Great investigative deduction Mr. Sherlock Holmes :lol:
Qadir wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:02 am A few years ago i was told in a sabaq that you can do dua to become mazzon or mulasir but can’t become dai irregardless of how much dua you do.
It is famous and known to all , that Syedna Ismail Badruddin (RA) did resolution that if "Dai Rutba" came to him he would do jaman for all "talabtul ilm" . Safra ni Rasam aap ye shuru kidhi . So basically he did not just stop at doing Dua but also took a "Niyat" towards attainment of the Dai Rutba...Please keep your crappy 'Mufaddali version" of sharia knowledge to yourself

anyways , many contributors have already replied well to your baseless veiwpoints.
But I would like to inform the readers here , that DMBS friendship is not going to save them from the lynching... ….the lynching of Bohras has started..aur bulao Prophet haters to Saify Mahal and Moharram Majlis

DMBS : Dawedaar Mufaddal Bhai Saheb
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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:57 pm

Fwd as Recvd:
Lynching of dawoodi bohra.
Do not move alone in lonely places.
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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:58 pm

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by momeenbhai » Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:14 pm

Moiz_Dhaanu wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:57 pm Fwd as Recvd:
Lynching of dawoodi bohra.
Do not move alone in lonely places.
Do not post stupidity unless you have complete information about it.

Admin pls delete above post.

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by momeenbhai » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:39 pm

Problem with present dawat is that they think only they know what is good and what is bad. And peasant abdes dont have brain to decide any thing in their life. Not even name for their own kids. Not even what food they should eat. And abde idiots have actually agreed that they are truely morons and cant decide any thing for them self.

Infact last sermon which some surat chutiya scholar gave in my masjid clearly said that you all are too dumb to think any thing and you should blindly follow what his chutiya mufaddal haram khor ask to follow. :lol:

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by momeenbhai » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:40 pm

Problem with present dawat is that they think only they know what is good and what is bad. And peasant abdes dont have brain to decide any thing in their life. Not even name for their own kids. Not even what food they should eat. And abde idiots have actually agreed that they are truely morons and cant decide any thing for them self.

Infact last sermon which some surat chutiya scholar gave in my masjid clearly said that you all are too dumb to think any thing and you should blindly follow what his chutiya mufaddal haram khor ask to follow. :lol:

I actually laughed out loudly on that note. Loool

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by zinger » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:52 am

Humsafar wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:48 am
zinger wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:01 am SBM bhai

Have you seen the video?

How do you know it is the Kothar and not some ordinary mumineen?

Chalo, accepted that they could not have done it without the expressed approval of the Kothar, but what is wrong in celebrating Independance Day and raising the National Flag?

I see absolutely no reason for raising a hullabaloo in saying Bharat Mata ki Jai. The people who object to it have their own ulterior motives or inferiority complexes in considering themselves Indians. India is a motherland. So if anyone here has a problem with that, they can go suck on rotten eggs.
Zinger,
Actually you got it the other way round. The people who want you to say "bharat mata ki jai" have the ulterior motive. Nothing wrong in wishing well for our motherland, what is the wrong is the context and the political/sectarian underpinning behind it. Before the Modi/RSS fascist regime nobody ever chanted this slogan at any rally or procession -- there was no need to do so, and nobody expected you to. This slogan has become the rallying cry of the Hindutava hyper-nationalists who want to shove the "love" of motherland down everyone's throats. The slogan has a Hindu majoritarian flavour, a militant religious angle to it and goes against the secular, pluralistic values that the Indian constitution upholds. Nobody need to prove their patriotism by shouting a slogan. And those who insist that you do have an agenda -- they are using it as a battering ram to humiliate, harass the minorities, especially Muslims.
As for these Bohras shouting "bharat mata ki jai" is hardly surprising -- the bohra sheep have lost their brain and self-respect a long time ago. In their mental makeup there is no difference between Muffy abdes and Modi bhakts. Nothing that they do surprises me anymore.
Lets agree to disagree on this. Bharat Mata Ki Jai has been chanted for years, ever since i was a kid.

but there is no point in continuing this discussion so am ending it here from my end :)

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by zinger » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:53 am

SBM wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:09 pm Zinger
I am all for love and patriotism to your motherland, I proudly tell my fellow Americans that I am an Indian American Muslim but Bharat Mataa ki Jai, no I do not shout that but instead recite
Sarey Jahan sey Acha Hindustan Hamara, Hamara...
SBM bhai,

to each his own

there is no point in continuing this discussion as it will really lead to nowhere and just be a waste of digital space so am ending it here from my end :)

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by SBM » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:18 am

"Bharat Mata Ki Jai has been chanted for years, ever since i was a kid."
Did you or any Abde/Amte chanted it during the era of STS or SMB outside the Masjid or at Bohra Gathering?

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by alivasan » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:46 pm

Moiz_Dhaanu wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:57 pm Fwd as Recvd:
Lynching of dawoodi bohra.
Do not move alone in lonely places.
which suburb of mumbai is safe ? did they ask to chant "bharat mati ki jai" to this bohra men ? post whole story instead of just posting pic and avoid fwd as recvd..

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by alivasan » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:55 pm

momeenbhai wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:39 pm Problem with present dawat is that they think only they know what is good and what is bad. And peasant abdes dont have brain to decide any thing in their life. Not even name for their own kids. Not even what food they should eat. And abde idiots have actually agreed that they are truely morons and cant decide any thing for them self.

Infact last sermon which some surat chutiya scholar gave in my masjid clearly said that you all are too dumb to think any thing and you should blindly follow what his chutiya mufaddal haram khor ask to follow. :lol:
chu**a is in colombo bunglow some big canabis racket operating from there.🤐

Admin please give credit for masking inappropriate words for ailing 75 year old who will out for fun 10 days picnic big roler coaster ride ..big circus in some days.

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by momeenbhai » Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:59 am

Qadir wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:12 am For the whole siding with the hindu thing, Imam moiz also sided with the romans who help the Imam in high standards. At that time Romans were the enemy of other muslim rulers but its all about harmony and peace. Bohras mainly live in India and Pakistan, in India Moula has maintained friendship with leaders of both parties and the same thing can be said for pakistan.
I am not a supporter of Modi and a lot of people have told me that moula supports him so why don’t I but I have never heard Moula say he wants every mumin to support him, because according to me church and state should remain separate entities. Mixing them up either leads to riots or partition.
But I believe in the economic and socialist side of bjp government. I am happy that medical treatment is free for everyone in India, everyone is on a path to get a house in the next 5 years and that no child will be left uneducated. I don’t care what bjp does in matters of hindutva and all that because Moula has maintained a positive relationship with Modi which makes us Bohras immune to harm by hindu radicalists. If other Muslim communities do the same then we won’t have this problem at all, but that is something we can’t expect in the near future.
not sure if anyone realizes this here, but these abde morons are really dangerous with there understanding and agenda, in order to save their master ass they can even drag Imam into something like this.

why do they forget that Imam Hussain died for truth and not supporting kufr.

abde kind is weird they always tend to take pieces from history which always suits them.

here in this case Imam moiz suits there agenda to takes his name, in other case some thing else.

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by alivasan » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:41 am

fwd as recvd

Abdul Tayyab Gandhi

A SECRET MESSAGE

Last week Ale Imaan ma Ali Qader Moula na ghora parsi padi jawana babte Mominona dilo ma ghano ranj ane gamgino mahol peda thayo hato. Sau koine thatu hatu ke have Moula ne kiyare ru-baru joisu ne kevi halaat ma ne Moharram ni Wayez nu suu thaase??

Jo ke Imamuz Zaman na Dai be char diwas ma to ghani khubi na sathe sehat ma ne dini jussama taiyar thai gay che. Mijaz par jara girami hati te pan have aram karwasi dur thai che. Aqa Moula thodaj diwas ma (Eid na Din) Mominino same pesh thase ne deedar nu sharaf aapse. Koi bone facture thayu nathi ne koi biji takaalif nathi. Ek be din ma Moharram na dashek Plan nu Elan thai tem lage che. Sidhpur-Poona ke Nairobi masi nakki thase.

Jo ke khaas secret message em che ke 10 din pehla jiyare Ali Qader Moula ghora parsi giri gaya hata ne thodi waar mate behos thai gaya hata ane pachi jiyare hosh ma aaya to tarat ekaj waat kari ke bane tem jaldi 54TH Daiul Mutlaq nu elan karvu jaroori che. Medical Air-Abmulance ma pan Aqa Moula ekaj waat karta hata ke badha sahebo ne bolavo ne jaldi si “Nash” nu elan karo. Singapore na badle Mumbai lavvanu pan aaj karan hatu. Mumbai Saifee Hospital ma awtani ni sathej Khaas Sahebo ne bolavvama aavya hata ne badhane aa waat ni chupkidi raakhwana “kasam’ levrama aavya hata. 13 sahebo ni hazri ma video recording sathe 54th Dai ni Nash ne rasam 20-30 minutes ma puri thai hati. Nash ni rasam puri thataj Ali Qader na chehra par Noor ni roshni jowa mali hati. Moula ne potana matha par si moto bhaar halvo thayo hoi tem laagtu hatu. Jo ke Ali Qader Moula ye fari war badha sahebo ne Nash ni babat ma khaas chukidi raakhwa ek ek sathe hath milavi farman kidhu hatu.

Khuda jane have kiyare Nash ni majlis ni aam jaherat thase! Kasre Aali na sahebo gup-sup kari rahya che pan koi ma himmat nathi ke waat no khulaso kare.

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by zinger » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:01 am

SBM wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:18 am "Bharat Mata Ki Jai has been chanted for years, ever since i was a kid."
Did you or any Abde/Amte chanted it during the era of STS or SMB outside the Masjid or at Bohra Gathering?
Agreed, we didnt. point taken

but look at this way, under SMS rule, we have suddenly become ultra fanatic and ultra patriotic too :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by MohammedG » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:58 am

Qadir wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:12 am For the whole siding with the hindu thing, Imam moiz also sided with the romans who help the Imam in high standards. At that time Romans were the enemy of other muslim rulers but its all about harmony and peace. Bohras mainly live in India and Pakistan, in India Moula has maintained friendship with leaders of both parties and the same thing can be said for pakistan.
I am not a supporter of Modi and a lot of people have told me that moula supports him so why don’t I but I have never heard Moula say he wants every mumin to support him, because according to me church and state should remain separate entities. Mixing them up either leads to riots or partition.
But I believe in the economic and socialist side of bjp government. I am happy that medical treatment is free for everyone in India, everyone is on a path to get a house in the next 5 years and that no child will be left uneducated. I don’t care what bjp does in matters of hindutva and all that because Moula has maintained a positive relationship with Modi which makes us Bohras immune to harm by hindu radicalists. If other Muslim communities do the same then we won’t have this problem at all, but that is something we can’t expect in the near future.
Good luck to you Qadir. And good luck to Muffy supporters like you who think Muffy's handshaking with BJP politicians will keep Bohras immune from Hindutva.

I guess you have never heard of "First they came...," the poetic form of a prose post-war confession first made in 1946 by the German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller. It is about the cowardice of German clergy (including, by his own admission, Niemöller himself) following the Nazis' rise to power and subsequent incremental purging of their chosen targets, group after group.

You are misguided in thinking that Muffy's cosying up to Modi will help. If you don't stand up now, your time will come and the Hindutva ideology will consume you.

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by momeenbhai » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:10 am

Dont worry if that time comes abdes will happily chant " Jai shri Ram" and convert to Hinduism.

few idiots seems already been chanting Bharat Mata ki jai all their life, as per the video.

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Why SMS fell from Horse

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:28 am

I have two theories why SMS fell down from the Horse
1- The horse must have felt that the rider is someone who loves killing Animals so he decided to shake him off before he becomes a Shikar
2- Kothari Goons forgot to take MISAQ of this horse so he was NOT a willing (wafadar) Abde who could allow SMS to ride on his back like all the abdes OR
3- this horse was supplied by STF to bring down the Takhat Nasheen to the ground

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by momeenbhai » Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:39 am

4- its a natural thing, an accident can happen to anyone. ( but since muffy claims big things he is not considered human and this should not have happened to him :D)

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by alivasan » Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:27 pm

momeenbhai wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:39 am 4- its a natural thing, an accident can happen to anyone. ( but since muffy claims big things he is not considered human and this should not have happened to him :D)
muffs is super man..he flew from lanka to bharat all alone like pawan putra hanuman did.he is no longer Ali Qadr but his new title is treppan ma pawan putra udta ghoda per safed gadha mufdajal hanumanuddin 👊👊👊

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by Qadir » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:41 pm

alivasan wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:27 pm
momeenbhai wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:39 am 4- its a natural thing, an accident can happen to anyone. ( but since muffy claims big things he is not considered human and this should not have happened to him :D)
muffs is super man..he flew from lanka to bharat all alone like pawan putra hanuman did.he is no longer Ali Qadr but his new title is treppan ma pawan putra udta ghoda per safed gadha mufdajal hanumanuddin 👊👊👊
Same old same old. I don’t think anyone finds you funny anymore if that’s what you are going for.

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by alivasan » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:45 am

Qadir wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:41 pm
alivasan wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:27 pm

muffs is super man..he flew from lanka to bharat all alone like pawan putra hanuman did.he is no longer Ali Qadr but his new title is treppan ma pawan putra udta ghoda per safed gadha mufdajal hanumanuddin 👊👊👊
Same old same old. I don’t think anyone finds you funny anymore if that’s what you are going for.
Ginger is talking to himself as Qadir.
koni majha badal kahi vichar kara mala ghanta farak padat nahi👊👊👊.

tuje samaj gaya ho to baki gadho ko bata dena😆😆😆

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by alivasan » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:49 am

zinger wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:01 am
SBM wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:18 am "Bharat Mata Ki Jai has been chanted for years, ever since i was a kid."
Did you or any Abde/Amte chanted it during the era of STS or SMB outside the Masjid or at Bohra Gathering?
Agreed, we didnt. point taken

but look at this way, under SMS rule, we have suddenly become ultra fanatic and ultra patriotic too :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ginger, you 4got to add ultra lunatic too..pagal choda apni khud ki itni tarif karta he

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by Mkenya » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:36 pm

Interesting article in Gujarat Samachar:


નવી દિલ્હી, તા. 23 ઓગસ્ટ 2019, શુક્રવાર

વડાપ્રધાન નરેન્દ્ર મોદી જી-7 સમિટમાં ભાગ લેવા ફ્રાન્સની રાજધાની પેરિસમાં પહોંચ્યા છે. અહીં વડાપ્રધાન મોદીએ ભારતીય સમુદાયને પણ સંબોધિત કર્યા. ફ્રાંસની રાજધાની પેરિસમાં ભારતીય સમુદાયને સંબોધવાના આ કાર્યક્રમમાં સામેલ થવા જેવા વડાપ્રધાન નરેન્દ્ર મોદી પહોંચ્યાં પુરો હોલ મોદી-મોદીના નારા સાથે ગુંજવા લાગ્યો.

અહીં આ કાર્યક્રમમાં લોકોને અપીલ કરવામાં આવી કે તેઓ શાંત થઈ જાય, પરંતુ ભારતીય સમુદાયના લોકોએ મોદી-મોદીના નારા લગાવતા જ રહ્યાં, અંતે વડાપ્રધાન મોદીએ મોર્ચો સંભાળવો પડ્યો અને તેમણે કહ્યું કે, પહેલા રાષ્ટ્રગાન થશે. જે બાદ લોકો શાંત થયાં.

આ પહેલાં ફ્રાન્સની મુલાકાતે ગયેલા વડાપ્રધાન નરેન્દ્ર મોદીનું ફ્રાન્સમાં વસતા મુસ્લિમોએ ઉમળકાભર્યું સ્વાગત કર્યું હતું. પેરિસના ઇન્ટરનેશનલ એરપોર્ટ પર ભારતીય રાષ્ટ્રધ્વજ સાથે દાઉદી વહોરા કોમના લોકોએ ભારત માતા કી જયના પોકારો સાથે વડાપ્રધાન મોદીનું સ્વાગત કર્યું હતું.

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by momeenbhai » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:53 pm

yes these people dont live in India and they dont understand problem Indian muslims faces, what is happening in Kashmir is purely enmity towards muslims. kids are kidnaped from their houses, most probably woman are raped as well by forces.

but hey bohra morons dont care it as long as their greedy masters orders them to follow modi.

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by alivasan » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:24 pm

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Bohras dancing and celebrating rather than mourning..what kind of mohram is this?

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by momeenbhai » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:33 pm

this is exactly what I was talking in the other thread.....and some assshole called it a bluff LOOOL

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by Qadir » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:00 pm

alivasan wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:24 pm [url]]

Bohras dancing and celebrating rather than mourning..what kind of mohram is this?
You know Moharram hasn’t started yet? Maybe you would’ve known if you were a bohra.

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by Mkenya » Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:53 pm

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by Mkenya » Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:02 pm

Please ignore my post 384.

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by zinger » Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:37 am

alivasan wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:49 am
zinger wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:01 am

Agreed, we didnt. point taken

but look at this way, under SMS rule, we have suddenly become ultra fanatic and ultra patriotic too :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ginger, you 4got to add ultra lunatic too..pagal choda apni khud ki itni tarif karta he
You know what?

i usually dont resort to such peurile behaviour, but i feel like making an exception today.

i hereby christen you as Khalivasan (empty vessel), not Alivasan because that is exactly what you are, an empty vessel that makes an inordinate amount of noise.

by the way, again, its zinger, not ginger. but then again, i guess with all the noise going on in your empty head, you probably cant understand even basic language