Humsafar wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:39 am
think_for_yourself wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:30 am
The difference is that my comments are rooted in fact. When you consider that MS followers have been seen seen licking spoons like monkeys, breaking up toilets and dictating what others can eat, my comment was not off the mark. Qadir’s were not rooted in any fact and stemmed from ignorance.
And there is a difference between things said about Burhanuddin Moula and SKQ. Burhanuddin Moula had a million adoring followers (myself included) and few detractors. No matter what we say, those handful will continue with their hate.
We are a very tiny, much maligned community with a Moula who has been viciously hated on by a million people who have been provoked by false propaganda and hate filled speeches and laanats in MASJIDS by people who took his name in misaq for fifty years. Burhanuddin Moula took SKQ’s name with great love and kindness. Please do not speak to me about Burhanuddin Moula if you can stand here and defend someone speaking of digging up his Mazoon (And Mansoos!) from his grave.
Looks like you do not think for yourself enough! It is amazing that these newly minted Qutbis who see Muffy as evil incarnate, and foam at the mouth each time they mention his name give a free pass to Burhanuddin and his depredations. If reformists are motivated by hate then by the same token you Qutbis are just as much fulled by hate towards Muffy. It is amazing how your reason and logic and oh-so superior sense of self vanishe when it comes to Burhanuddin and his nefarious Dad!!
Now just see how the Qutbi gang will pile up here, one after the other as if on auto pilot!
Hamsafar I know where you are coming from. You want us to denigrate SMB for the acts that were carried out in his name. I am not privy to all the facts around what happened then. From what I have read here, indeed unspeakable acts were committed by some nefarious elements in SMB's dawat - no doubt in his name. It is impossible for me to assign blame just as you would wish because the person I saw, heard and understood was kind and gentle and full of good counsel. In addition I know now that SKQ was the lone voice of dissent on the mistreatment of progressives. However to convince you of that now, is not a task I am up to. At a personal level, if somehow our support of the dawat machinery and through it of it's nefarious leaders contributed to the mistreatment of progressives, you have our deepest apologies.
As far as hate for Muffy...I would not say we "hate" him. We certainly pity him his secrets, mock and ridicule his buffoonery, we expose his waffling leadership on many an issue and show him for the ineffective leader that he is. If you wish to praise him, you are free to so.
The hate is directed at US and our Moula not in the other direction. They whipped up their people in a frenzy of hate from day 1 with the rally at Azad maidan, the abhorable dawedar ki kahani videos, the fear campaign with forced signatures. They continue to do so and Qadir's ridiculous unprovoked post is a prime example of their continued hatred. Surely as someone who has been on the receiving end of this kind of treatment from that same hate machine, you would understand where we come from.