How I trurnedfrom Hussain

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Today is ashura, the 10 th of Moharram, all the bohra community members would have assembled to do mataam and cry their hearts out to Imam Hussain, But I did not go. Not because I cant but because I don’t want to. Why do I choose not to go ? That is the purpose of this article. Read it if you want to find out. There was a time a few years back when I used to do purjosh mattam, I have bled at the chest in a fit of frenzy and shed many tears in an emotional trance. But behind it all, somewhere deep inside my conscience, I was searching for a meaning behind all of this.why was Hussain Murdered ? If it was the will of Allah, why are we crying? Was it a defeat or a victory for us ? If a victory, why not celebrate instead of crying? Would Hussain be happy to see us crying if he were to look down from heaven or where ever he was ?I sought the answers to these questions by asking the right people, but invariably the answer amounted to "you must have faith and believe first, then all questions will be answered" but how could I have more faith when these basic questions remained unanswered ? I had already done the best mattam and crying I could do.I turned to read books of various other philosophers. As I grew in wisdom, I realized that I am responsible for my own actions just as Hussain was responsible for his. I realized that Allah would not ask me about what Hussain did. My foremost duty was not to cry for Hussain but to mould my own self into a better person. If I did a wrong action, only I will be punished, not Hussain, not Panjatan, not Maula. Thus I will have to be responsible for my actions not Hussain, not Panjatan, not Maula, no one will be able to take responsibility of my actions, then why should I pray to them? In fact Allah has commanded us in the Quran to pray to no one else except Allah. Upon further reading, I found that few Muslims walked on fire and did mattam with chains on the Ashura day. The bohra leaders were wise enough to see that this power does not come from Allah and banned these practices, but the crying and mattam are encouraged. Why these dual standards ? Either baan the whole concept of shirk (praying to other than Allah) or allow the people to hurt themselves with chains assuming that Hussain would heal. These thoughts were an eye-opener to me and in subsequent years, whenever I went to do mattam in moharram with or without Maula, I could clearly see the hypocrisy and meaninglessness of it all. I wondered what brought the people from all over the world into this humiliating pushing and crawling existence. Verily I thought, the power of delusion was so strong. I saw that in the huge crowds of white robed bearded men, very few actually thought of Allah at all. Their minds were mostly occupied with Maula, and preventing their topis from falling off and pushing and trying to get a better seat and looking at the time ever so often !Each time the shahadat of Hussain was recited, I would say to myself 'so what?', there have been people who have died worse deaths and for far nobler causes. They will have their rewards from Allah, Why should we cry for them? I would rather to the one who created me rather than an unknown entity called Hussain, superimposed on our consciousness from birth by the bohra environment. The shahadat would be so dramatically elaborated. The very story that used to bring tears to my eyese now filled me with mirth as I amusingly heard the AhaleBaith being sacrificed one after another. I did not know whether to feel story for the characters in the story or for the people crying all around. I was glad I was no longer subjected to the hypnotic delusions of that story. After the death of each AhaleBaith, the crowd would cry out lanaat and rehmat as if by their doing so Allah would somehow punish the wrongdoers more severely !I got tired of the discomfort and heat both inside myself and outside. I had had enough and came away from that madness. I was happy to be rid of that suffocating environment and glad to breathe the clean free air once again.This year I see the grip getting tighter. People in various places are visited by the jamaat members in their homes and asked to come to masjid. Even children having exams are not spared. Shops and Business Establishments are forced to remain closed for all 10 days ! I don’t know where this will lead to in the coming years.Whatever happened at Karbala is over. Lets get on with our own lives and not be stuck with some piece of history. It is pointless to lament over an incident that supposedly took place ages ago, the details of which have been distorted from generation to generation, each sect having its own version of the story. A story that has lots of violence, ends in defeat and has no moral is of no use remembering, let alone crying over. Do we expect that by remembering & crying for Hussain death Allah will be happy? Whatever happened or did not happen at Karbala happened by Allah’s will and do you think Allah is sorry that he allowed all of it to Happen? I am sure he does not expect us to cry over it, out sins (gunnahs) will in no way be affected except by increasing if we do so. I hope and pray Allah forgives the misguided and leads all to his right guidance.

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I don't think this is an idiotic revelation-(sorry-since you chose your name that way)- I whole heartedly agree with you in your comments-It echoes my sentiments in a simmlar way-Bohras have made a 365 days ritual of doing mataams!

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idiot_bohra and Moh'd Hussain: Look at the message - not the messenger. Look at the sacrifice of Imam Hussein and his ahle-bayt and ashaabs; not how it is conveyed by the Kothar and its hangers on. We pray on this Yawme Aashur that may Allah subhanahu grant you wisdom to understand and assimilate the message of the Imam's shahadat and the selfless sacrifices of the Shaheeds...AmenOne of the best life-giving sources in the history of Shi'ism is Shahadat. "Since the time that we have forgotten the tradition of shahadat and have become the guardians of the cemeteries of the shuhada, we have submitted to the black death." Since the time that we, instead of being Shi'ites of Ali, Shi'ites of Husayn, and Shi'ites of Zaynab, that is to say, being followers of the shuhada our men and women have become mere mourners for the shuhada we have remained in eternal mourning. How intelligently the message of Husayn and his great, dear, and immortal friends has been metamorphosized-a message addressed to all mankind. After he sees all his dear ones fallen on the battlefield, and when he has no audience except the vengeful and plundering enemy, Husayn cries, "Is there anyone to stand at my side?" Does he not know that there is no one to stand by his side? This is the question posed to future generations, to each one of us. This question revealed Husayn's expectations of those who love him. It is an invitation addressed to all those who respect and revere the shuhada. We belittled this invitation, this expectation, and this message by misreading its content. Instead of, "Husayn demands followers in every age and generation," we read, "Husayn demands only tears and weeping. He has no other message. He is dead and demands mourners. He is not a living shahl'd in every time and place in search of followers." Thus we have been told. For every revolution, there are two visages, the first is "BLOOD"and the second is "MESSAGE." Shahid means "present." The ones who personally choose the red death as a symbol of their love for a dying truth-as the only weapon of jihad for the sake of the great values which are being altered-are referred to as shahld. They are alive, present, witnesses, and observers. They are not only so in the sight of God, but also in the sight of the masses in every age and every land. Those who submit to any humiliation in order to remain alive are the silent. dirty, dead of history. Which ones are alive? Those who choose their own death and with selflessness have come with Husayn to be slaughtered, while hundreds of religious excuses permit them to remain alive, but who do not seek excuses and thus die; or those who left Husayn and thus submitted to abjection and obedience to Yazid -which ones are still alive? Anyone who considers life as more than just an animate corpse sees and feels with his whole existence the life and presence of Husayn and the death of those who submitted to humiliation in order to remain alive. In confronting oppression and aggression, the shahid shows, teaches, and argues against those who think, "Inability means exemption from jihad, " and those who say, "Triumph means victory over the enemy." The shahid is the one who, in the age of inability to conquer, triumphs over the enemy by his own death, disgracing him if not defeating him. A shahid is the heart of history. The heart gives blood and life to the otherwise dead blood-vessels of the body. Like the heart, a shahid sends his own blood into the half-dead body of the dying society. whose children have lost faith in themselves, which is slowly approaching death, which has accepted submission, which has forgotten its responsibility, which is alienated from humanity, and in which there is no life, movement, and creativity. The greatest miracle of shahadat is giving to a generation a renewed faith in itself. A shahid is ever-present and every-lasting. Who is absent? Husayn has taught us another lesson more important than his shahadat. Leaving hajj unfinished and proceeding to shahadat. He leaves half-finished the revival of the pilgrimage for which all his ancestors, his grand-father and father, struggled. From the half-finished hajj, he proceeds to shahadat in order to teach all pilgrims in history, all worshippers in history, and all the believers in the tradition of Abraham that if there is no imamate and leadership, if there is no goal, if there is no Husayn, and if instead there is Yazid, circumambulating the house of God is the same as circumambulating the idol houses. The ones who continue their circumambulation in the absence of Husayn are equal to those who moved around the Green Palace of Muahwiyah. A shahid, who is present in all the battlefields of truth and falsehood, reveals to all humanity: "If you are not in the battlefield of truth and falsehood, it makes no difference where you are. When you are not a witness in the battlefield of truth and falsehood of your time, be anywhere else you wish. Stand for prayer or sit down for wine. Both are the same." Shahadat means presence in the battlefield of truth and falsehood of the eternity of history. And absence?! Those who left Husayn alone, and avoided presence, participation and witnessing, and thus were absent, are all the same. The three are one. Those who deserted Husayn and became Yazid's mercenaries, those who, longing for paradise, crept into the secure solitude of worship, left Husayn alone, escaped the conflict of truth and falsehood, and entertained themselves with prayers, and those who, fearing the ruling force, kept silent are all one. Where Husayn is present, and he is present in every century and every age, anyone who does not stand beside him, be they believers or non-believers, criminal or virtuousùare all equal. This is the meaning of the Shi'ite principle that the nature of each act depends upon imamate, leadership, and wilayat. Without it everything is meaningless and we see that it is meaningless. And now Husayn has declared his presence in all ages and for all generations, in all wars, struggles, and battlefields of any time and land. He has died in Karbala, so that he may be resurrected in all generations and ages. You and I must weep over our own misery that we are not present. Yes, for every revolution, there are two visages: BLOOD and the MESSAGE. Husayn and his companions undertook the first mission, that of BLOOD. The second mission is to bear the MESSAGE to the whole world, to be the eloquent tongue of this flowing blood and these resting bodies among the walking dead. The mission of conveying the message begins today. Its responsibility rests on the fine shoulders of Zaynab, a woman from whom mankind is to learn virtue. The mission of Zaynab is more difficult and heavier than that of her brother. Those who have the courage to choose their own death have simply made a great choice. But the responsibility of those who survive is heavy and difficult. Zaynab has survived. The caravan of the captives follows behind her. The ranks of the enemy, as far as the eye can see, are in front of her. The responsibility of conveying her brother's message rests solely upon her shoulders. Leaving behind a red garden of shahadat and the perfume of roses, spreading from her skirts, she enters the city of crime. the capital of power, the center of oppression and execution. With peace and pride, she victoriously announces to the power and cruelty of the slave-agents and executioners, to the remnants of colonialism and dictatorship: "Thank God for all the generosity and glory which He has bestowed upon our family. The honor of prophethood and the honor of shahadat." Zaynab bears the responsibility of announcing the message of the alive but silent shuhada. She has survived the shuhada and it is she who must be the tongue for those whose tongue has been cut off by the sword of the executioner. If blood does not have a message, it remains mute in history. If the message of blood does not reach all generations, it is as if the executioner has imprisoned the shahid in the castle of one age and one time. If Zaynab does not convey the message of Karbala to history, Karbala remains as a mere historical event; and thus the ones who need this message will be deprived of it. Thus no one will be able to hear the message of those who spoke to the generations with their blood. It is for this reason that the mission of Zaynab is heavy and difficult. The mission of Zaynab is the conveying of a message to all humanity, to all those who weep for Husayn's death, to all those who bow down faithfully to Husayn, to all those who believe the message of Husayn that, "Life is nothing except belief and jihad." The message of Zaynab is as follows: Oh, all of you who have a covenant with this family, who believe in the message of Muhammad, think and choose. In every age and generation, in whatever land you may be, you must learn to listen to the message of the shuhada of Karbala who said, 'Those can live well who can die well.' Oh you who believe in the message of monotheism and in the Qur'an, as well as in the way of Ali and his family, and you who will follow us, the message of our family to mankind is the art of living well and dying well. Everyone dies just as he lives. The message of Husayn to mankind is this: If you are men of religion, then [live your] religion. If you do not follow a religion, then human freedom has placed a responsibility on your shoulders. As a religious person or a freedom-loving person, be the witness of your time and the shahid of truth and falsehood in your age. The eyes of the shuhada are upon us. They are conscious, alive, and present. They are the paradigms, the witnesses of truth and falsehood, and the witnesses of the destiny of mankind. And shahid has all these meanings. For every revolution, there are two visages: BLOOD and MESSAGE. Anyone who has accepted the responsibility of accepting the truth, and anyone who knows the meaning of the responsibility of being Shi'ite, of being a freedom-lover, knows he has to choose in the eternal battle of history, everywhere and in every land. All battlefields are Karbala, all months are Muharram, all days are Ashura? One has to choose either the BLOOD or the MESSAGE, to be either Husayn or Zaynab, either to die like him or survive like her, if he does not choose to be absent from the battlefield. There is much to be said, the miracle that Husayn has performed and Zaynab has completed. The mission of Zaynab after the shahadat: Those who died committed a Husayn-like act. Those who survive must perform a Zaynab-like act. Otherwise, they are the followers of Yazid.

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2me Bohras not muslim nor a follower of Hussain... Husain 2 me somebody who wouldn't budge 2 a wrong thing 2 do... how contrary is a Bohra from that... ...dhanda and a dukaan, jamatkhaana, maaatam mersia, majaalis [which they stupidly called drees... whatever that means!!!] and btw raiser of this kinda gutsy question can not be idiot... maatam is a lot jewish in origin... looks like the bohras traditionally been using it to manage the community dukhkha... it is like making a line smaller... by drawing a bigger line b4 it... tathagat awaits some sensible and young leadership soon enuff... bohri men clad in pin stripe suites and bohra women in designer cloths... instead of ridaa...

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Idiot_Bohra,Very well phrased and I agree with your sentiments. Spoke to a few people today, and it is quite apparent that the act of grieving and public exhibition of "grief" is paramount to faith.

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Saif, Thanks for your detailed reply. Your views are new to me, so bear with me as I try to understand what you are trying to say. My comments to some of your statements follow.>Husayn cries, "Is there anyone to stand at my side?" If I would have lived at the time of Hussain, I would have to respond to that call. Today, for me, that call is not relevant.>He has died in Karbala, so that he may be resurrected in all generations and ages. Where is he resurrected in our present age ?>Shahadat means presence in the battlefield of truth and falsehood of the eternity of history. Are you not overloading the word Shadat to mean evolution instead of Martyrdom (Sacrifice ones life for a cause). How can you fight the battle of good & evil if you have already sacrificed your life ?If you are talking symbolism here, can you give me the key in the form of say, Karbala=Mind, Husain=Self-Discipline, Shimar=evil, Abbas=Ego, Zainab=Life-Force, Yazid=Habit, BLOOD=sacrifice ,MESSAGE=persistence etcRegards.

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idiot_bohra: sorry about the long response, ofcourse, some of it copied, extracted and compiled from various Shia sources. I am NOT a scholar but just a Shia. Any errors or omissions etc., can be attributed to me.The symbolism is more than even this. In addition to the symbolism of blood that has been spilled and thus sacrificed in the devotee's sympathy with his Imam Husein, the King of Martyrs, blood has a sacred meaning none the more so than with Imam Husein as shown by the blood in the dust given to Umm Salma (sa) turning blood red, and it raining blood elsewhere when the King of Martyrs was beheaded. The symbolism of the spilling of blood by the devotee, his own blood, is thus symbolic of the very nature of Karbala and brings that event, the supreme sacrifice, to the fore, a sacrifice that for which the lamb was sacrificed instead of his son by a knife by Ibrahim Khalilullah. And what, if Mohammad (saws)'s blood is spilt will man not spill his own blood? And even then the spilling of the blood has a deeper, more personal reason - the heart of worship is love, and here we find love of ahl-ul-bait. In the world of the spirit the devotee wonders how it is that he who was spiritual, whose name meant kindness in its cosmic representation, and whose quality was his famous gentleness, Imam Husein (as) the Lord of the Spirits of the Believers, was treated so cruelly by an unjust material world with suffering that no man has or will bear in the material world. It is this clash of the duality of material and spiritual, with material hurting the spiritual, that excites in the devotee his own spirit's voice, that heart touched by the light of Imam Husein (as), and since all hearts long for their origin, the believer reciprocates his Master's pain by bringing the material onto that wherein his spirit lies - he cuts his own body which harbours his own spirit, a spirit longing for union with his Master - a Master hurt by a cruel material world that cut his material form and hurt his sensitivities, though his spirit, like that of the believer's endured these calamities. Thus the act of self-flagellation is nothing more than the believer trying to feel as his Master felt and more, realising he cannot be at Karbala the anguish this causes him - the anguish of separation - the helplessness creates this phenomenon of self-flagellation. One can ask if he cannot understand this to ponder the words repeated by cautious Ulema throughout the ages on this topic who have often passed silence. It was not fear of the self- flagellators and their influence as some say - the Ulema said - Fear the Mother of Imam Husein (as) - that is fear Fatima (sa) - for even if one does not perform this action oneself, if that believer's devotion to her son in this action finds her favour then it would be wrong to condemn him - very, very wrong. The martyrdom of Imam Husein (as) has spiritual dimensions that most men can never truly understand. "Is there anyone who will come to assist us ? Is there anyone who will respond to our call for aid ?" He turned direction and repeated the call. He did this four times. Whom was he calling out to? Surely he was not expecting anyone to come to his aid. Those who wanted to help him had already crossed the lines and laid down their lives for the cause. He knew there was no one left. He knew that there was no other Hur. And yet, meticulously and laboriously, he made sure that his call reverberated in all directions. Of course that call was a call to Muslims of every generation in every land. It was a call to us wherever we may be. It was a call for help. Help against Yezeedism, which in every age rears its ugly head to oppress justice, truth and morality. Our Imam was calling out to every Muslim of every age and time to combat Yezeedism, both within himself and as an external force. This was his battle cry for jihad-ul-akbar. He had already demonstrated that his objective had always been to create a spiritual awakening through amr bil ma'ruf and nahyi anal munkar. Now he was calling out for the continuation of this jihad at the individual, social and political levels. Muslims, and more particularly the Shias, have answered this call with the unique institution of aza-e-Imam Husein. With every tear that we shed for him we pledge to resist the oppression of injustice, immorality, inequity and falsehood. Every time we raise our hand and bring it down on our chest in matam, we are saying: "Labbaik, Labbaik Ya Mawla!" to our Imam, Imam Husein Ibne Ali, the grandson of the Holy Prophet (SAWA). For long the word aza-e-Imam Husein has been exclusively used in connection with the remembrance ceremonies for the martyrdom of Imam Husein. Aza-e-Imam Husein includes mourning congregations, lamentations, matam and all such actions which express the emotions of grief, anger and, above all, repulsion against what Yezid stood for. These emotions, however, remain futile and hypocritical unless accompanied by a will to reform both at the individual level and the community level. The term majlis has both a grammatical meaning and a meaning which relates to aza-e-Imam Husein. In its technical sense, a majlis is a meeting, a session or a gathering. In reference to aza-e-Imam Husein, it means a gathering to mourn Imam Husein. In this sense it was first used by our Imam, Ja'far Sadiq A.S. When we examine Ziyarat-e-Waritha, ( Some of our Imams wrote ziyarahs to be recited. One of these ziyarahs is recited today by us and is known as Ziyarat-e-Waritha.) we can see not only a testimony of the greatness of Imam Husein and the moving sentiments describing his sacrifice for the cause of Allah, but also a solemn pledge and a commitment by the reciter: "And I make Allah, His angels, His prophets, and His messengers, witnesses to the fact that I believe in Imam Imam Husein and in my return to Allah. I also believe in the laws of Allah and in the consequences of human actions. I have subordinated the desires of my heart to his (Imam Husein's) heart and I sincerely submit to him and (promise to follow his commands)" Clearly, this undertaking was never meant by our Imams to be an empty ritual. Recitation of Ziyarat-e-Waritha is a commitment to Imam Husein's cause made in the presence of Allah, the angels, the prophets, and the messengers and in full awareness of the final accountability of human action. One must always reflect upon the seriousness and solemnity of this pledge. Until the time of ghaibat-e-kubra, we find that our Imams always encouraged aza-e-Imam Husein. They saw in aza-e-Imam Husein not only a demonstration of grief for Imam Husein and the martyrs of Kerbala but also a renewal of one's commitment to Allah and His laws as expounded in the Holy Qur'an and the ahadeeth. Sheikh Ibne Babawayh-al-Qummi better known as Sheikh as-Suduq who died in 381 AH was the first scholar to have introduced prose as medium of conveying the message of Imam Husein. He would sit on a pulpit and speak extempore while many of his students sat by the side of the pulpit and recorded the speech. His speeches have been preserved and to this day are known as the Amali (dictations) of Sheikh Suduq. Public demonstration of grief first occurred in 351 A.H. On the 10th of Muharram, there was a spontaneous procession in the street of Baghdad and thousands of men, women and children came out chanting "Ya Imam Husein! Ya Imam Husein!" mourning and reciting elegies. In the same year, a similar procession took place in Egypt. The regime tried its best to stem the tide of aza-e-Imam Husein but failed. Very soon aza-e-Imam Husein became an institution with deep roots in the hearts of Muslims. Majlis evolved into an institution for amr bil ma'ruf and nahya anal munkar as well as reminder of the tragic events. As Islam spread, different cultures adopted different modes of aza-e-Imam Husein. Taimur Lang introduced the institution of tabut and alam in India. As Islam spread southwards on the sub-Continent, the form underwent changes to take into account local cultural influences so as to portray the message of Kerbala in the medium best understood by the local people, both Muslims and non-Muslims. By the beginning of the 19th Century, there was not a corner of the world, from Spain to Indo-China, which did not have some form of demonstration on the 10th of Muharram. The form varied from country to country. In Iran, the most popular form has been passion plays as a medium transmit the message of Kerbala in addition to the majaalis from the minabir. In India, the Ashura processions became part of the Indian Muslim culture. Even the Hindus participated in these processions. The Maharajah of Gwalior was always seen walking behind the 'alam of Hadhrat Abbas barefooted and without any insignia of his exalted office. Marthiyas and majaalis were such strong influences on the Muslim population that they helped strengthen not only their Islamic beliefs but also their political resolve. History reports that even Gandhi on his famous salt march to protest against the oppression of the British Raj took 72 people with him in emulation of Imam Husein protest against Yezid's oppression. The following excerpt from the last will and testament of the Late Ayatullah Ruhullah Khumayni (A.R.) is most touching and relevant: "The memory of this great epic event (Ashura) must be kept alive. Remember, the cries of damnation and all the curses that are rightfully raised against the cruelty of the Bani Umayyayah caliphs towards the Holy Imams, are reflected in the heroic protests against cruel despots by the nations through the centuries. It is the perpetuation of such protests that shatter oppression and cruelty. It is necessary that the crimes of the tyrants in each age and era be indicated in the cries of lamentation and in the recitals of elegies held for the Holy Imams" Where ever the Shias have gone they have taken with them the cultural forms of aza-e-Imam Husein as practised in their country of origin. Today, aza-e-Imam Husein in one form or another, can be seen throughout the world. Aza-e-Imam Husein is an important institution and we have to ensure that it is kept alive so as to cultivate and nurture Islamic conscience in each one of us and that our children and their descendants remain committed to the cause of Imam Husein. We must never lose sight of the fact that while the form of aza-e-Imam Husein may reflect the local indigenous culture, the essence of aza-e-Imam Husein must always be remembrance of the martyrdom of Imam Husein and our re-dedication to his cause. There is always the danger that if the form appears to be incongruent to the local norms and consequently incomprehensible to the young generation or to the indigenous population upon whom we wish to impress the message of Kerbala, the substance might gradually lose its significance. The fabric of the substance invariably depends upon the acceptability of the form. Throughout history the form of aza-e-Imam Husein has always undergone changes to accommodate local norms. It is for us, therefore, to seriously re-evaluate the form in order to ensure that we can pass on to our children the substance of aza-e-Imam Husein in its pristine state and also make aza-e-Imam Husein an irresistible instrument of tableegh ! We are duty bound to Allah and His Prophet to ensure that our children grow up to accept aza-e-Imam Husein NOT as a ritualistic activity NOR as means for atonement, but as a serious commitment to the basic values of Islam." I accept that not all of us can suddenly make or honour such a commitment. But supposing on the day of 'Ashura, after performing our a'amaals or when the Ziyarah is recited after the aza, each one of us promises, in the name of Imam Husein ibne Ali, to give up one such activity as is contrary to the doctrines of Islam what a strong community we would be and what an excellent legacy we would leave for our children !! This in my opinion would be aza-e-Imam Husein par excellence ! Exaggeration can only discredit us and the cause of Imam Husein. The historical accounts must be adhered to although at times, in our anxiety to arouse emotion, we resort to exaggeration. We should have the recorded history as our guide and reason and logic as our limitations as do most of our 'ulema and fuqaha. Extrapolations of certain inferences from known facts are not, in my opinion or in the opinion of the 'ulema, objectionable. For example description of natural human emotions, though not chronicled in vivid detail may be extrapolated if the description is within the bounds of reason and does not detract from the character of the personalities involved. We have to remember that the 'ashra-e-Muharram is a very emotional period and this emotion has to be exploited by the ahle minabir to convey the message of Kerbala, to awaken a hatred against all that Yazid stood for and to rekindle a commitment to Islam as preached by the Ahlul Bayt and for which Imam Husein laid down his life. We cannot perpetuate the illusion that aza-e-Imam Husein means no more than a few tears, matam and processions. These are the means and not the end. They are important only if they lead each of us becoming a better Shia than we were in the preceding year. If we lose sight of the objectives we may find ourselves answerable for forgetting and holding to ridicule the cause for which our Imam sacrificed so much ! Imam Husein himself advised a Muslim who was claiming to be a Shia to fear Allah and not to make a false claim lest on the Day of Judgement he is raised with the liars. "Our Shia," the Imam added, "is the one whose heart is pure of malice, deception and corruption. His words and deeds are only for the pleasure of Allah." We must during this forthcoming 'ashra-e Muharram pose this question to ourselves in all seriousness. Do we intend to make a commitment to Imam Husein's objectives or do we wish to continue complacently in our current state, paying what can best be described a lip service to his martyrdom with demonstrative mourning only ?? While I pray that we begin, as we must, to understand the philosophy of aza-e-Imam Husein and make a serious commitment to the objectives of the King of Martyrs, I sincerely hope that there never comes a day when majaalis are replaced by clinical lectures devoid of all emotion ! Reason when supported by emotion has a more enduring effect, and it is for this very end that as a recompense of the rationality of the message of the Holy Prophet he is told by Allah to ask for no recompense save the love of Ahlul Bayt. Love, while being an emotional force, becomes hypocrisy if one fails to identify and follow the wishes of the loved one. Muharram is about the martyrdom of Imam Husein and his family by laying down their lives at Karbala (in present day Iraq) for the protection of democracy. Their selfless sacrifice, service to humanity and protection of their religious order resulted in their giving up their own lives. Remembering him and following the path shown by him is the greatest tribute that humanity can pay him. This in fact is the greatest message of Muharram. Eternity will, his name preserve, A place of honour reserve (conserve) In radiance, divine, glows his name, Kindles the universe, the eternal flame. Devilry tide, vehemently, surged. To Imam Husein we owe, our piety do Adore and love his chivalry too perpetual, endless, boundless, same, Glorious, forever, prevail his fame. Tempests, storms and gales, did blow, This taper retained its divine glow, Howled tornadoes, did hurricanes rush, This eternal bloom they could not crush, Forward, forward, on and on, Kept on the move Imam Husein's caravan. Imam Husein did achieve his basic aim, (an eternal triumph, he could claim) For the faith's (tomorrow), his (today) he gave, and Laid down his life, Islam did save. With pride and love, his name we quote Who, with his own blood, history wrote. His deeds will (neglect) never meet. Oblivion, his name will not greet. This tale of endurance, hardihood has the test of time well stood TRUTH (An Eternal Message From Kerbala) No brutal force 'gainst truth can work Truth will conquer, will not shirk. 'Tis the greatest dike, to hold back sin The silencer, of the mundane din. The spiritual health, it will restore For moral wounds; 'tis a surest sure. Truth will strengthen sickly souls Plug, in the conscience, gaping holes. Truth, is not an elusive ghost 'Tis, to the righteous, a constant host. Truth, in its exalted mood Is clearest mind's amplitude. "Infinite" is there in every man Immortalise "finite" it can. Truth, doesn't perish at death It does outlive the human breath. Redeemed, through truth, all can be XYZ and you and me. Truth, being infinitely great Both kings and beggars, upon it wait. Truth, individuals and Nations, makes An infinite joy in the task it takes Glows the universe, with its beams Sun and moon, are truth it seems. if the human perception's doors are clean In every beauty truth is seen Truth is proud, to know so much Its every move has wisdom's touch.May all our Muharrams and Ashuras be true demonstration of our love for, and a confluence of emotion, reason and commitment to, Imam Husein.

Guest · #8

Dear Idiot-bohra, What you have experienced during your Moharrams are rituals (crying & maatum). It sounds to me that the majlises that you have attended are all devoid of imparting "Islamic knowledge".Moharrem majlises to me is a blessing that Imam Hussein's shahadat instituted. It strengthens my faith in Islam through the oratory of a well trained Alim who speaks about the Quran, the hadiths and the "values" that Imam Hussein & the Ahle-Bayt stood for during the early trials of Muslims.These values are as important today as they were then. If you believe there is good and bad in this world, how much are you willing to sacrifice to uphold the "good". Imam Hussein's refusal to give bayt to Yazid is the ultimate fight of good vs bad.There is much more to Kerbala than crying and maatum as the Kothar has turned it into.Please try & understand the history of Kerbala in light of its spirit and not just the physical aspects of crying and maatum. I don't blame you for abandoning Imam Hussein if all you experience is maatum.Now you take charge of your shortcomings and understand the spiritual aspects of Kerbala. Ultimately, you are responsible to Allah for yourself.

Guest · #9

Dear Idiot_BohraKhotar's are the present day force of Yazeed and Burhanuddin is the Yazed (lak'natullah) himself. What we have in our community is hypocrisy and meaninglessness ritual. You will never find the love and teaching of Ahlul Bayth among the camp of Yazeed just as you’ll never find it among Khotari Burhanuddin dawat.You said : "If I would have lived at the time of Hussain, I would have to respond to that call. Today, for me, that call is not relevant."Brother, Imam Husayn didn’t cry for help to save himself and his family. All of them preferred death than the humiliating life under Yazeed and the likes of him.... which unfortunately is very contrast to Bohras of Today who prefers Humiliation and subjugation. Imam Husayn does not need your tears or your mattam but you fight against evilness of today. That was the real aim of Imam Husayn... to show to ppl that sometimes you have to give up everything you hold dear to your heart, your loved one, your child, your family and everything but never EVER submit to oppressive people. If you feel that you would have responded the call of Imam Husayn 1300 year's ago then let me tell you that it is not too late and the call is still relevant because we do have present day Yazeed's and his force..in the world of today ..Saddam Hussein, Sharon, Bush, Saudi's corrupt king and Sayedna Burhanuddin. Our Imam call was to fight the Yazeed's of today and not Yazeed Ibn muawiyyah (lanat.u).

Guest · #10

I am filled with mirth to see there are some on this board who want to pursuade me to believe in the greatness and significance of Husain.It is ironical to me.Let Me quote from The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam (Wine bellow symbolises the ever new joy of communiion with Allah)How long, how long, in infinite Pursuit Of This and That endeavor and dispute? Better be merry with the fruitful Grape Than sadden after none, or bitter, Fruit.For "Is" and "Is-not" though with Rule and Line, And "Up-and-down" without, I could define, I yet in all only cared to know, Was never deep in anything but -- Wine.And lately, by the Tavern Door agape, Came stealing through the Dusk an Angel Shape Bearing a Vessel on his Shoulder; and He bid me taste of it; and 'twas -- the Grape!The Grape that can with Logic absolute The Two-and-Seventy jarring Sects confute: The subtle Alchemist that in a Trice Life's leaden Metal into Gold transmute.The mighty Mahmud, the victorious Lord, Tat all the misbelieving and black Horde of Fears and Sorrows that infest the Soul Scatters and slays with his enchanted Sword.But leave the Wise to wrangle, and with me The Quarrel of the Universe let be: And, in some corner of the Hubbub coucht, Make Game of that which makes as much of Thee.For in and out, above, about, below, 'Tis nothing but a Magic Shadow-show, Play'd in a Box whose Candle is the Sun, Round which we Phantom Figures come and go.And if the Wine you drink, the Lip you press, End in the Nothing all Things end in -- Yes -- Then fancy while Thou art, Thou art but what Thou shalt be -- Nothing -- Thou shalt not be less.While the Rose blows along the River Brink, With old Khayyam the Ruby Vintage drink: And when the Angel with his darker Draught Draws up to The -- take that, and do not shrink. 'Tis all a Chequer-board of Nights and Days Where Destiny with Men for Pieces plays; Hither and thither moves, and mates, and slays, And one by one back in the Closet lays.The Ball no Question makes of Ayes or Noes, But Right and Left as strikes the Player goes; And He that toss'd Thee down into the Field, He knows about it all -- He knows -- He knows!The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.And that inverted Bowl we call The Sky, Whereunder crawling coop't we live and die, Lift not thy hands to It for help -- for It Rolls impotently on as Thou or I.--------------------------------- <img src=http://emd.hypermart.net/send.pl?fromim ... wt=1>So, Lets Let the matter rest, and lets let the thirsty find his own fountain.idiot_bohra@yahoo.com

khan19922001 · #11

Lets discuss this again. Idiot Bohra has raised some very good points.

I would like to start this by asking if Bohra/Shia consider matam a farz ibadat like namaz, prayers or is it a nafl ibadat. It is apparently not a Sunnah as the Prophet (PBUH) never practiced it.

Do the Bohra clan beleive that if we do not do matam we will be punished in the same way if we miss our prayers.

Humsafar · #12

Sorry I missed this thread the first time. Thank you khan for digging it up again.

I too have often wondered and questioned the ritual lamentation surrounding Mohrram. According to me the problem originates in the not-so-hidden elitism inherent in shiism: the elevation of one family (ahlay bayt) to the rank of near divinity. Viewed from this perspective it makes sense why shiahs make such a big deal about Kerbala. On the flip side though, if Imam Hussain were not the grandson of the prophet I'm certain nobody would have made such a big fuss and Mohrram would not have evolved into a vulgar spectacle of mass lamentation as it has. When you strip this story of its religious and emotional melodrama it becomes clear that Imam Hussain's sacrifice is "celebrated" more because of who he was and less because of what he did. In my view, Hur (not the court intellectual of this board) is the real hero of this story - his moral courage is far more exceptional. But we digress.

By saying all this I do not wish to belittle the significance of what happened in Kerbala. But unfortunately Kerbala has become an excuse for crying and breast-beating rather than a metaphor for courage, sacrifice and dignity. The story itself has great emotional appeal which never fails to pull at one's heart strings. However, human history is replete with such 'david and goliath' kind of stories. Stories far more tragic and heart-wrenching than Kerbala. But only a few stories gain prominence owing to religious context and social/political status of its main actors.

Kerbala is one of them. No wonder it has been made into a grand narrative of Shiah Islam - on par with Christ's crucifixion - and is being milked by the vested interests for all its worth.

The Bohra clergy, cynical and clever that they are, have turned this grand narrative into a grand distraction - an year-round breast-beating farce. There is as much essence of Kerbala in their matam as there is a flake of snow in hell.

Al-Muizz · #13

Idiot-Bohra......As your name implies.....

If remembering Imam Husayn's Shahadt is not important, what do you have to say to the Christians who comemorate Good Friday, and Easter, for the crucifixion of Isa Nabi?

Dude, do you know of the impact of Ashura on Islam?

Husayn A.S. on that day showed the world what leadership is all about-something you will never understand in your obvious lack of it. Husayn A.S. gave PERMISSION to each of the Shaheed and then went to the battlefield to bring their bodies back to the khayma-I doubt you have to balls to even stand there when the arrows are showering down, let alone go and pick up a fallen martyr. There is NO instance in HISTORY where a leader has gone to the battlefield to get the body of the martyr. Imam Husayn A.S. elevated each and everyone of the martyrs to a high place that day.

You say you feel sorry for the shaheed. What a moron!A caravan of women and children surrounded by a vicious and merciless army and not allowed to drink water for 3 days---and you feel like laughing about that?? No wonder this world has so many issues-we have 1st class idiots like you!

When Imam Husayn's 6 mnth old son is slaughtered in his arms, you feel the whole episode is funny?? I hope to God you never ever have your infant son die in your arms,Idiot! When a chiled dies, how much pain do the parents feel?? And yet, you and the other idiots like you think this is funny??

Why did Imam Husayn A.S. ask for water before his shahdat? To make it CRYSTAL CLEAR that these devils had NO respect or value of Islam-why when you zabe an animal, you are required t ouse a very sharp knife, and give the animal water. And you think this has NO revelance right now, Idiot? You and your cronies sound like the stupid Wahabis' now, taking so much joy beheading innocent people in Iraq-God's curse on the Wahabis' the likes of Osama, Saddam, Al-Zarqawi.

Idiot, Imam Husayn A.S. asked the army to let him go if they did not want him in Kufa---The devils were after his blood-get it Idiot!

Idiot, if it was not for Husayn, you would be an even bigger moron. It is Imam Husayn's sacrifice that awakened the consious of Muslims.

tassa · #14

Dear idiot_bohra,

It's strange but I myself go through that rationalising and reflection eveytime and it has grown since these past few years. I cnnot claim that what happens in the mosque is good or bad but somethings that are spoken in rhetoric just throw me back. For eg. this time we were constantly told to cry and it seems if we cannot cry we should atleast make a crying face ! how does that help I fail to fathom.

This time what came to my mind very strongly was that if it was indeed Allahs' wish that Hussain sacrifices his life then there has to be another player(the murderer or whatever you can call that person) in this. So whay should he be cursed so much, was he not encating the wish of God. JUST THINKING ALOUD.

But you have articulated your feelings well and I go through the same but I not very willing to lose the faith, on the other hand I wish I could hear more practical solutions. I guess I will never know till I try to find out.

idiot_bohra · #15

I am glad we are having some meaningful discussion here, khan19922001, thanks for bumping this up - the bohras believe that during the wayaz (the lecture delivered in the mosque by the bohra priest) if one sheds a single tear, or causes others to shed tears, or even makes a crying face, they are assured of a place in jannat (heaven) . This year I hear it was exagarated to provide 12 jannats. The bohras do not differentiate between farizat, sunnat and nafilat, they do not refer to the haddis, they only follow the dai. For them, the dai's word is farizat. They believe that as no eye can see in the darkness, one needs the light from the dai to see the truth. The bohras believe that the rest of the humanity are only searching in the dark and that they alone have the true light in the form of the living dai.

See http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/cgibin/UB ... 1;t=001261

Humsafar, your clear thinking is impressive. Thanks for bringing out few important view points.

Al-Muizz, I do not want to respond to you as you have taken the discussion out of perspective and personally.

tassa, I had posted this article about 3 years ago, with the passing of time my conviction that mataam is wrong has increased. If my father who is a very good man and who I respect and love very much were to die or be murdered, I would not cry and beat my chest over his death, however sad the events surrounding that death may be. If he were to look down from where ever he is after his death, he would not like to see me or anyone else crying over his death. Especially if it were for a noble cause. He would be more happy if I understood and practiced the principles by which he lived his life. Husain to us is nothing but what we have heard and read about, but we do not know him, he is only an idol in our minds that we have built and we worship that idol. The fact that you come to this forum shows that you are open to questions and debate, which is a good thing according to me, but the bohra circles will discourage your questions instead of answering them. I can understand your feelings about not wanting to loose your faith, don't worry too much about it, just do what your heart says and let the light of Allah grow naturally in your life.

Emm · #16

I will be the first one to agree that maatam and a public show of grief are not essential and should not be a requisite when attending the Mohurram majlis.

However, I still find the story of sacrifice and courage very touching and by analogy relates in some small ways to experiences in my life. I find it is a time of introspection for me and I find the atmosphere of the Majlis very conducive.

Of course the other purpose of the Majlis is the social purpose through which one gets to meet others from our community living in surrounding areas. Since I am very much on the periphery of the community and this is probably the only time in the year that I do go for a gathering this aspect is useful and enjoyable as well.

What I don't like is this insistence on chest beating making a 'crying face' (ridiculous!!) and other equally stupid requirements that our clergy makes.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that in general I am in favour of the practice though I would like some aspects of it changed - but I guess it is up to the individual to choose what to accept and what not to accept.

Believer · #17

Admin,

The message above from "Believer" was not posted by me. I have since changed my password.

Just an FYI....

tassa · #18

You know, just to digress a bit. I just want to 'announce' that this interaction will be extremely useful. I am looking forward to it.

JC · #19

Idiot-Bohra

I agree with him FULLY and WHOLE-HEARTEDLY. And with all those who agree with him.

Matam is bid'at and thats all.

People say Hussain was great, YES, he was and he did what he was suppose to do for Isalm. If we want to remember him, we should follow is teachings and practice that - not do matam for him and cry and all that rubbish. Follow his foot prints, do good deeds, be a good muslim.

Burhan and clan will go to hell.

Khan

I understand Shias and definitely bohras believe that matam and crying will take them to Janat and that is totally absurd and unIslamic.

Average Bohra · #20

Burhan and clan will go to hell

You don't know that and I don't...time to stop playing God.

I understand Shias and definitely bohras believe that matam and crying will take them to Janat and that is totally absurd and unIslamic.

That is also what some say about the Sunnis & Wahabis and their belief that violence and blowing up Shias outside Mosques in Iraq will take them to Janat.

You are living in a glass house my friend....

JC · #21

Average Bohra

Burhan is getting paid in the same coin. For sure his acts are unislamic when he says he is Zamin for Janat to bohras. That is absurd and I can say he will go to hell. I want to show them that - latoo kay bhoot batoon say nahee mantay.

About Sunnis blowing up Shias in Iraq and saying that will take them to Janat - well! if they say that THEY ARE WRONG TOO AND THEY ARE INVITING HELL FOR THEMSELVES.

To me - Bloodsheed will take culprits to hell.

The point was 'Matam'. Will it take the person doing to Janat? If someone believes and says YES what is your comment??

Average Bohra · #22

'Matam'. Will it take the person doing to Janat? If someone believes and says YES what is your comment??

JC,

As I said earlier I don’t know what takes a person to Janat. It is my belief that it most likely is not relevant to one’s religion, belief, sect, display of belief, Mataam, Purdah, throwing stones, feet kissing, going to church, or how many salats are prayed in which order.

If anything, it is most likely based on shared principles which are common to all religions regarding things such as charity, helping others, speaking the truth, adultery, violence etc.

JC · #23

Average Bohra,

AGREED

thats my point too..!!! We DONOT 'know' what will take us to Janat (IF there is a JANAT..!!) - i had said earlier too that in reply to Hur that even prayers are not the guarantee to Janat, if there is one. So HOW could Matam be the guarantee to Janat, I am just refuting this belief that purjosh matam and crying on Hussain is key to a plot in Janat..!!!

i am also of the opinion that 'good deeds' are the only things which are counted - here and lifehereafter, if any.

I am NOT in favour of any religion or against any. My idea is that all the religions are basically for good and to bring some harmony, law and discipline in one's life. On the other hand the thaikadars of all religions have made it their 'power base' and are using it to perpetuate their own rule. religion today has become great divide. religion today has become a tool to supress masses. In the name of religion you can make one do anything.

i am trying to rationalize the things and question things which do not make sense. Bohras have made Hussain, Christ of Bohraism - Wo soolee char kay umat kay gunah qayamat tuk maf karwaa gaya aur yeah sar kata kay ...!!!!!!

anajmi · #24

JC

AGREED

thats my point too..!!! We DONOT 'know' what will take us to Janat (IF there is a JANAT..!!)

Well, if you believe in the existence of Janat, then there is a whole book which lists what you need to do to get into janat!! I am surprised you missed it. It's called "The Holy Quran" and is availabe on www.amazon.com.

However, if you do not believe in janat, why worry about how you are going to get there??

Average Bohra · #25

JC,

I am in agreement with you. I may have misunderstood you when I thought you were making the contention that people who do mataam etc. will land up in hell. They may, just as people who buy books from amazon.com for a map to Janat, or circumambulate around man made structures in Wahabiland, or Wail along the wall.

We will all eventually know....just not now.

JC · #26

Average Bohra and Anajmi

Thank you for replies.

Anajmi,

Don't you think today we should be allowed to question everything - not to criticize only but to learn more and more. there is a quest for truth and as time passes human beings are becoming more intelligent and they want to rationalize things. You may say 'Faith' doesnot allow you to have 'Doubt' - fine, but what if I have so many questions..??!! I have seen the interpretation of 'how we will land in Janat' and there are so many and all contradicting. Sunnis, Shias, Wahabis (soory Khan, should i say 'true muslims), bohris all CLAIM Janat is theirs ..!!! and show totally different maps.... (will amazon com show me something great). Even Christians and Jews claim Janat is theirs. Whom to believe TODAY. Bohras have added 'matam' after every Farz Namaz and that is so irritating and frustrating. They say Matam and grave worshipping will take you to Janat. NOW who on earth can believe that (a million bohras..!!!) - this concept is NEW, Shias say same thing, but everybody has different Imam..!!! Sunnis have different ideas. I donot say much about Wahabis as 'principaly' they seem to be talking sense then any one else.

Average Bohra

Thank you for understanding. I again say - nobody knows 'who' and 'how' people will go to Janat. Surely amazon com has no idea.

anajmi · #27

That is the problem with Average Morons. They will wait and see, when all they have to do is get a map to Jannah from amazon.com.

Well, if they had been any more intelligent they would've been just morons!!

JC,

Sure everybody claims that the Jannah is theirs. Looks like you do not have enough brain power to figure out what the truth is and are waiting just like other average morons. Well, you can wait and watch and when you see the believers entering Jannah, it will probably be too late for you!!

anajmi · #28

JC,

I really want to help you get the map to Jannah and since you are not going to get it from amazon.com, I am going to try to give you directions, and the directions that I am giving you, will take you to jannah inshaallah whether you are a shia or a sunni (a christian or a jew is a different animal alltogether and we can discuss why they are hell bound later on)

So you start out on any road in the morning when it is still dark, and there will come a prayer stop just before sunrise, so pray. Then keep going about your day till it is afternoon and another prayer stop will come, pray again, then another in the late afternoon, one just after sunset when it is not yet dark and one after it is completely dark. You can, if you want to, combine the afternoon and the evening prayers but it is not preferable. The prayer stops will come every day till the day you die, if you pray you will keep moving in the right direction, if you do not, you will go astray.

On your journey every year there will come a city called ramadan travelling through which will take a month and you will need to fast during that month, or you will go astray.

On your journey once during your life will come a city called hajj, if you have the money you should go through it, and if you don't then you can take a shortcut without going through the city.

You will need to carry the map with you along the way in case you forget any of this.

Inshallah you will get to jannah pretty easy.

And the best part is you will do this whether you are a shia or a sunni or a bohri!!

Ofcourse if you are an average moron, then you will worry about who built the kaaba instead of worrying about reaching jannah but then that's how average morons are.

That the kaaba was built by humans is a known fact and going around it is just a small street that you need to pass on the way mentioned in the map to get to jannah!!

porus · #29

The road map is fine. Now, I am knocking at the gates of Jannah. Is there anything there to explore? Will it be physical, like this earth? With cool rivers flowing and endless dishes of delicious food and interminable sex? Will there be any more praying, or would we be done with it? Will angels sing to me? Will I sleep? Will I dream?

So, map of inside of Jannat, please?

JC · #30

Anajmi,

Thank you very much for the road map.

But as Porous has put it - and my question too is:
WHY should we try to go to Jannah ? WHY ? I know you will say it is matter of FAITH and BELIEF in Mohammad and Islam, fine, faith and belief is there but it must satisfy my curiosity and thirst for knowledge. People have told me - Belief comes first, Ali (or Abu Bakr) and Khadija showed faith first, believed first and never questioned (or questioned later) - OK, I say I beleive but now who will answer the questions? I have never denied that praying is good or fasting is good, every religion came for the betterment of human race ('came' so currently i accept the source bei=ng God). BUT people have made mockery of faith. You know what i m saying, today religion is a tool to rule and exploit masses. PRAY, so I have to pray, can i ask why? coz it will take me to Jannah, NO, Islam or Quran has given no guarantee that these will take you to Jannah (and thats how i tell bohras how could matam be guarantee) - good deeds and there are other million of things. My thought process is - Jannah was carrot 1500 years ago, to make ppl do what they should, to bring order and discipline in life, to create law and lay down procedures. There was no 'authority' at that point in time, so 'prophets' were being 'sent' with 'message' - they told ppl, do this and do not do this and reward is Jannah - is that theory and attitude applicable today or there is more to it. Quran is claimed to be till Qayamat, so there must be trillions of other things. Take the example of science and technology, development, we dream, we question and we try to achieve. Brtother Anajmi, try to understand! Why were we created - for Bundagee and Ebada't - but WHY, wre angels not enough (if they were!!) whats the use. If God created everything and controls everything, why concepts of prayers and Jannah???? Today ppl say homosexuality is wrong, unnatural, they should not allowed to enter into marriage - and I say WHY NOT, why it is wrong. Gays are made that way by God and why donot we think that perhaps that is the way God has decided to reduce the population, He can use floods, earthquakes, disasters, impotency - so why not same-sex attractions.... see today we are very conservative and do not dare to go out of box.
I hope i have made myself clear.

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