Sincere Advice to Sayedna from Amir ul Mu'mineen

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Sincere Advice to Sayedna from Amir ul Mu'mineen

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Unread post by Guest » Tue Sep 03, 2002 8:03 am

London, United Kingdom By Babar Chughtai<br>http://www.shianews.com/hi/europe/news_ ... php<p>Arab Human Development Report 2002 : UNDP <br>The United Nations has advised Arab countries to take Imam Ali bin AbiTalib (AS) as an example in establishing a regime based on justice and democracy and encouraging knowledge.<p>The UNDP in its 2002 Arab Human Development Report, distributed around the world, listed six sayings of Imam Ali (AS) about ideal governance. <p>They include consultation between the ruler and the ruled, speaking out against corruption and other wrong doings, ensuring justice to all, and achieving domestic development.<p>The UNDP said most regional countries are still far behind other nations in democracy, wide political representation, women's <br>participation, development and knowledge.<p>Imam Ali bin AbiTalib (AS)'s sayings<p>The UNDP qouted the following sayings of Imam Ali (AS) in its 2002 Arab Human Development Report:<p>"He who has appointed himself an Imam (ruler) of the people must begin by teaching himself before teaching others. His teaching of others must be first by setting an example rather than with his words, for he who begins by teaching and educating himself is more worthy of respect than he who teaches and educates others."<p>"Your concern with developing the land should be greater than your concern for collecting taxes, for the latter can only be obtained by developing; whereas he who seeks revenue without development destroys the country and the people."<p>"Seek the company of the learned and the wise in search of solving the problems of your country and the righteousness of your people."<p>"No good can come in keeping silent as to government or in speaking out of ignorance."<p>"The righteous are men of virtue, whose logic is straightforward, whose dress is unostentatious, whose path is modest, whose actions are many and who are undeterred by difficulties."<p>"Choose the best among your people to administer justice among them. Choose someone who does not easily give up, who is unruffled by enmities, someone who will not persist in wrong doings, who will not hesitate to pursue right once he knows it, someone whose heart knows no greed, who will not be satisfied with a minimum of explanation without seeking the maximum of understanding, who will be the most steadfast when doubt is cast, who will be the least impatient in correcting the opponent, the most patient in pursuing the truth, the most stern in meting out judgment, someone who is unaffected by flattery and not swayed by temptation and these are but few."

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Re: Sincere Advice to Sayedna from Amir ul Mu'mineen

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Unread post by Guest » Wed Sep 04, 2002 6:33 pm

It 's a shame our Syedna is not following any of these rules set by Ali.---

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Re: Sincere Advice to Sayedna from Amir ul Mu'mineen

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Unread post by Guest » Thu Sep 05, 2002 5:23 am

The real shame is on us Br Mohd Hussain. We are the foolish one who is allowing this con man and his family to lead us to destruction.

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Unread post by Guest » Wed Sep 11, 2002 5:03 am

The real conman is Engineer. And the people who are conned are people like Mohd.Husain and jinx. May the curse of Allah be on the enemies of Haq nee Daawat and may they burn in the fire of hell forever.<br>It is a pity that people like Mohd.Husain and jinx are unable to recognise angelic characteristics. Surely Allah has put a seal on their hearts. They can never escape as death is approaching and they will have to account for their heinous deeds.

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Unread post by Guest » Wed Sep 11, 2002 8:20 am

Haha...very funny. Huzaif, Please stop ..You are killing me. <br>

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Re: Sincere Advice to Sayedna from Amir ul Mu'mineen

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Unread post by Guest » Wed Sep 11, 2002 2:48 pm

Br Huzaif: Stop advising us what to do!When you don't have a better thing to say you "curse"-This is what your Dai's policy is! I am sure of my end & I am not afraid of your "blessings"-I pity the Zahils like you in our community-YOu need to get re-brainwashed !

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Unread post by Guest » Fri Sep 20, 2002 6:13 am

jinx,<br>There is no way in which I can kill you. Even though you are alive it is as good as you are dead. You will be unable to better your cause in this world and in the hereafter you will be amongst the losers. You have eyes but they are blind to the truth, you have ears but they are deafened and cannot hear the words of truth, and you have a mouth which utters nothing but nonsense and lies. You are the lowest of lowest creatures and you will be subjected to the worst of fates. May people like you be destroyed in this very life.<p>

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Re: Sincere Advice to Sayedna from Amir ul Mu'mineen

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Unread post by Guest » Fri Sep 20, 2002 8:18 am

*yawn*<br>Br Huzaif<br>Anything else to add ?

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Re: Sincere Advice to Sayedna from Amir ul Mu'mineen

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Unread post by Guest » Fri Sep 20, 2002 12:43 pm

Huzeifa<p>In Nbi if you cannot afford to pay your dues you are not allowed to enter the mosque! <br>Mosque is gods house who are the sheiks appointed by his holiness to stop people from entering gods house.<br>Im sorry but i think youve never experienced the wrath of the sytem and when you do which everyone does one day youl see the big picture.<p>Bohraism is not a religeous sect its a rich mans club.<br>

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Re: Sincere Advice to Sayedna from Amir ul Mu'mineen

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Unread post by huzaif » Tue Oct 08, 2002 8:33 am

jinx,

Yes, I would like to add one thing.
Thanks for asking.
Look inside yourself.
What good do you do everyday ?
Answer this question.
You will surely see the hollowness of your personality.

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Re: Sincere Advice to Sayedna from Amir ul Mu'mineen

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Unread post by jinx » Wed Oct 09, 2002 3:42 am

Br Huzaif
Thank you so much for your concern on my well-being, I reiterate again that I am very insignificant person here not worth the attention that you are giving me

I guess you should also think of the well being of your Moula, his children, his extended family member, his agent and his employees. I’ve heard that our holy Prophet (pbuh & hf) said ‘Anyone who consumes something gotten from illegal means has prepare himself a house in hell’.

Maybe you would want to write this down and pass this to your friends in dawaat. Those top dogs in Dawaat who can get away with pinching millions from mumins & molesting 11 year old girls.

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Re: Sincere Advice to Sayedna from Amir ul Mu'mineen

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Unread post by bayyan » Fri Oct 11, 2002 3:22 pm

Huzefa will you stop cursing everyone if you know so much about Islam and Taweel etc. as you claim, you should know some simple facts in the Holy Quran, Allah Subhanahu says:
"Revile not ye those whom they call upon besides God, lest they out of spite revile God in their ignorance. Thus have We made alluring to each people its own doings. In the end will they return to their Lord, and We shall then tell them the trut h of all that they did." (Surah al-An'am, Ayat 108)

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Re: Sincere Advice to Sayedna from Amir ul Mu'mineen

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Unread post by raheel » Sat Oct 12, 2002 5:14 am

I very much agree with Br Huzaif. You Progressives will not only die but also your souls will not be resting in peace..

abde sayedna tus

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Re: Sincere Advice to Sayedna from Amir ul Mu'mineen

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Unread post by raheel » Sat Oct 12, 2002 5:17 am

It is not true that miya sahebs and other khidmat guzaars will stop you from coming to markaz or majlis or masjid. It is just that you have not paid your dues and you yourself is feeling bad about it and you are not coming to masjid.. It has never ever happened that the miyah saheb or mullah saheb will stop you from coming to masjid. but the DUSHMANS of dawaath has made this as a propoganda... thats it ..

abde sayedna tus
raheel

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Re: Sincere Advice to Sayedna from Amir ul Mu'mineen

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Unread post by bayyan » Sat Oct 12, 2002 8:04 am

Remember Raheel, what Aqa Moula tells you, not to indulge in any activity with the Munafiqeen. Are you a hypocrite doing so? You are following the wrong foot steps of Huzefa, he is in no way doing the right thing cursing people.

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Unread post by raheel » Sat Oct 12, 2002 2:48 pm

So muhiq... !! this is good that you have realised that you all are munafiqs of islaam.. that was all my concept being here

Abde sayedna TUS
Raheel

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Re: Sincere Advice to Sayedna from Amir ul Mu'mineen

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Unread post by mo » Tue Oct 15, 2002 8:34 am

raheel

your brain has been realy washed on high and tumble dried as well! should see the mafias we have to deal with in east africa and don't tell me seyedna does not know what they are doing! it is still very common here for peole to be thrown out of gods house by these devils.
Tell me what do you think of this some one praying at the mosque and giving a huge religeous sermon and then getting into a plane and killing inocent animals i think if you have a pure heart you can't kill for fun!

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Re: Sincere Advice to Sayedna from Amir ul Mu'mineen

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Unread post by huzaif » Thu Oct 17, 2002 3:25 am

jinx,

You are evil's agent.
You are the devil in the form of man(sorry - woman)
You are the destroyer of virtue.
You are Satan's employee.
You are Iblis' good friend.

Surely you will pay for your associations.

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Re: Sincere Advice to Sayedna from Amir ul Mu'mineen

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Unread post by jinx » Sat Oct 19, 2002 7:35 am

huzaif, let's have a little more restraint. So …where are you from and what makes you so upset with me? Tell us something and we'll argue about it but your little insult doesn't really do much.

You have to say more than "satan" if you really want to say something to people. Bring it on.

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Oct 19, 2002 4:27 pm

Huzaif,

I think we've had enough of your tantrums. Your curses are not working and you know that very well. You'd be better off cursing those who are already dead with your idiot syedna so that no one alive can verify them.

And by the way I have to say this.

You are an idiot.
You are a moron.
You are a fool.
You are a donkey in the form of a woman (oops..man)

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Re: Sincere Advice to Sayedna from Amir ul Mu'mineen

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Unread post by huzaif » Tue Oct 29, 2002 8:45 am

jinx,

Restraint is for those who are on a retreating mode.
You sure are.
You are running away from your impending punishment.

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Re: Sincere Advice to Sayedna from Amir ul Mu'mineen

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Unread post by Anwar » Tue Oct 29, 2002 6:04 pm

anajmi, I think you are beeing very unfair and insulting a donkey by comparing it with huzaif,

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Unread post by huzaif » Fri Nov 08, 2002 8:27 am

anajmi,

You can call me the worst of names. This does not bother me. But if you insult the Daawat and the Dai, I will not restrain myself even one bit in cursing you.
So you better watch out - what you are going to say.
I will proclaim a deadly curse on you due to which you may become a likely candidate of divine punishment.

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Re: Sincere Advice to Sayedna from Amir ul Mu'mineen

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Unread post by Anwar » Fri Nov 08, 2002 4:48 pm

wow anajmi,´how come you have been spared beeing cursed by the master himself?or may be his curses have stopped working.wouldn´t surprise me, even allah must be tired by now of all his curses.

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Re: Sincere Advice to Sayedna from Amir ul Mu'mineen

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Unread post by ponga bhori » Fri Nov 08, 2002 4:56 pm

Huzaif,

You your dawat and your dai are all DONKEYS

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Nov 09, 2002 3:46 am

huzaif,

In the same post that I called you all those names I also called your Syedna an idiot. Go back and read carefully. I want you to curse me cause I know that each one of your curses is going to come after you. So go ahead, just hope that the admin does not curse your posts before you can curse me. The Admin's curses seem to work faster than yours.