Salaam to all my muslim brothers on this board. And also to Muslim First and Anajmi. Its been a while I joined in any discussion on this board but I have regularly visited this site and have tried to keep in touch with what goes on here. It is always interesting, I might add.
I have been reading the discussion between my Ismaili brother Jawanmardan and those on this board who wanted to learn about our faith in all honesty, not necessarily to convert but nevertheless, to gain knowledge of other sects of Islam. Then I watched MF jump in, I guess he could not resist the temptation or the urge the gets every time a Nizari Ismaili joins in.
MF feels that Islamic buildings with “elaborate and expensive decorations is waste of money”. He also feels that a masjid with dome and minerates serve no useful purpose. I respect his opinion, though it will not be shared by much in the muslim world and this argument will not hold water against his own masters in Saudi. But it is an opinion and he is entitled to it. My suggestion would be to take this up with his other co-religionists in the Arab world before imposing it on others.
“You or your coreligionist are not threat to Islam.”
Thanks MF. That was very nice of you.
“Your Shahada is corrupted
You do not pray 5 times what is known as Namaaz
You do not have to go for Hajj
You do not fast during Ramadan”
Now how many times on this forum we have discussed this before? Before posting this crap of yours it would help if you go back to those discussions and read our answers. Anyone who calls a Shahada where Allah and his messanger’s name is taken as corrupt needs soul searching.
“You do not pray 5 times what is known as Namaaz”
Do all muslims pray 5 times? No! Does that mean they are not muslims? Talking about “Namaaz” please go to the following link. Your time will be well served arguing with that fellow.
http://www.quraniceducationandresearch. ... s_AS10.htm
You will find more questions there than you could answer to their satisfaction. I do not agree with most stuff on that website but I am not going to butt heads with them. I think you should seriously go after those people since they sound like a threat to Islam and as you have already mentioned we are not a threat to Islam.
A lot of Ismailis fast during Ramazan, so there, you are wrong again. Do you know what the penalty is for misleading and misrepresenting in Islam. You should be able to find that in the Quran. We have discussed this before, remember?
“Muslim is one who has given Shahada, Prays 5 times like prophet prayed, Gives Zakat, goes to Hajj and fasts in Ramadan.”
You just reduced the number of the Ummah by half (in my opinion).
“Out of 5 basic tenants of Islam these people follow only Zakat”
Thanks again MF. See you are beginning to see clearly.
“Instead of collecting stipulated 2.5 percent of your disposable income these servants of Aga Khan are brain Washed to part 12.5%.”
So is this why your best friend Akbar bhai left Ismaili fold. 2.5% sounds like a hell of a lot better deal than 12.5%. By the way, I have an honest question for you MF, what is the total “stipulation” in percentile terms that a muslim has to dish out, including zakat, ushr, sadqah, etc. Could you please direct me to the written source. I just want to read it for myself and try to understand on my own. Seriously, I am not tricking you. We Ismailis are not brainwashed into paying 12.5% of our income not the savings at the end of the year. We gladly pay that. No one forces us and no one keeps account of who makes how much and if they are honestly paying the 12.5% in the Jamatkhana. It seems that you have more problems with our Zakat going to my Imam than you have with us paying gladly. Show me one muslim in this world who does anywhere close to what my Imam does for mankind with the resources he has at his disposal.
“Beside this they have various development schemes and Honor groups.”
Thanks again for the compliment MF. You are getting better by the sentense. Jazakallah.
And by the way, I do not possess the batini meaning of Surah Fatiha either. So please do not come back with that request. Let it rest. Instead of pushing us for the batini meaning I think you will do yourself a big favour if you try to be atleast a modest muslim. You can start with using decent language which Allah and his messenger prefer.
One last question, do YOU pray like the prophet prayed. Go to the link above, those people don’t think so.
Shall we discuss something where everyone has an opportunity to participate in and learn something. I am getting tired already of this confrontational discussion.
Salaam.